There has been a lot of discussion about whether a 1080P screen on a 5 inch device really makes that much of a difference. There will probably be a hit in terms of battery life and responsiveness so is the higher resolution worth it?
Since some people here have already seen the phone, I wanted their opinion. How much of a difference is there between the screen on the DNA versus say the One X ? In what activities does 1080P make the biggest difference: reading, video, games ?
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There has been a lot of discussion about whether a 1080P screen on a 5 inch device really makes that much of a difference. There will probably be a hit in terms of battery life and responsiveness so is the higher resolution worth it?
Since some people here have already seen the phone, I wanted their opinion. How much of a difference is there between the screen on the DNA versus say the One X ? In what activities does 1080P make the biggest difference: reading, video, games ?
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I cannot see any pixelation on my OneX and even my 267 ppi Note2 with very small text.
It is still more like a gimmick than a real deal. I can see many people get crazy about it, but the user experience is not very different from my old OneX, even identical.
I thinl in terms of smoothness, speed and screen, Android high end phones and iPhones has reached the limit. Now software and battery life are more important.
. That's why i will keep my Note2 for quite a long time.
In a game with good lighting graphics, etc it might make a difference. Not sure if the s4pro will be able to handle games that look good enough to make a noticeable difference, if there is any. Games theoretically could be made to look smoother without AA with a really high ppi too.
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In a game with good lighting graphics, etc it might make a difference. Not sure if the s4pro will be able to handle games that look good enough to make a noticeable difference, if there is any. Games theoretically could be made to look smoother without AA with a really high ppi too.
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In my opinion ppi is more relevant in rading text than playing games.
And there is no game support 1920x1080 pixels resolution yet.
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In my opinion ppi is more relevant in rading text than playing games.
And there is no game support 1920x1080 pixels resolution yet.
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Text Pixelation image coming your way
http://gizmodo.com/5960289/htc-droid-dna-vs-iphone-5-and-everyone-else-whos-got-the-best-display
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Text Pixelation image coming your way
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Hmm I was looking at the Note 2 next to the GS3 in a Sprint store and the Note 2 had whites that were whiter by far and was much brighter. It's possible their GS3's screen had issues after constantly being on for half a year though.
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In my opinion ppi is more relevant in rading text than playing games.
And there is no game support 1920x1080 pixels resolution yet.
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And the best part is a game with 1080p graphics will be about 3 or 4 gigs and the device only has about 8 usable so you wont be able to play any games that are made for the resolution anyway, lol.
Yeah 1080P games and video will eat up that 11gb pretty quickly. I suspect that we will have to wait for the Galaxy S4 for a 1080P phone to be done right,with a microSD slot and a big battery.
Still web reading is probably my no.1 use on my phone and that doesn't require storage. If 1080P significantly improves the reading experience, that alone would be worth it for me.
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And the best part is a game with 1080p graphics will be about 3 or 4 gigs and the device only has about 8 usable so you wont be able to play any games that are made for the resolution anyway, lol.
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It has 11 actually and not 3 or 4 gigs maybe 1-2.
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It has 11 actually and not 3 or 4 gigs maybe 1-2.
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well Batman Returns is not even a 1080 game and its 2.25 gigs, so I kindly dis agree with you Sir.
The size will depending on length and style of the game. If you made wind waker 1080p then it wouldn't have to be as bad as something that's supposed to look real.
I do think that the rom is going to feel small in a year or so for anyone who likes to play a lot of 3D exploring games though. You'll probably only be able to keep a couple installed at a time, maybe 3 if you don't keep much music stored. But most people tend to play 1 or 2 games at a time so it actually might be an annoyance but not a deal breaker..
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I cannot see any pixelation on my OneX and even my 267 ppi Note2 with very small text.
It is still more like a gimmick than a real deal. I can see many people get crazy about it, but the user experience is not very different from my old OneX, even identical.
I thinl in terms of smoothness, speed and screen, Android high end phones and iPhones has reached the limit. Now software and battery life are more important.
. That's why i will keep my Note2 for quite a long time.
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I'm beginning to think that Note 2 owners are getting a little jealous...
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I'm beginning to think that Note 2 owners are getting a little jealous...
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Anw, it's about personal opinion, and I think everyone agree that both phones are good devics. For you guys, high physical resolution maybe very important, while I prefer longer battery usage (normally 7 -10 hours screen on time) and interesting features (s pen, true multi- tasking with split windows).
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Hmm I was looking at the Note 2 next to the GS3 in a Sprint store and the Note 2 had whites that were whiter by far and was much brighter. It's possible their GS3's screen had issues after constantly being on for half a year though.
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i heard that Samsung had to turn the brightness down on the s3 because of the battery :laugh:
In the real world we generally don't hold our phone right against our eyes, because it would be out of focal range for us. Which means that virtually nobody will notice the difference between this phones screen, the GS3, the iphone 5, or the GN II. If you do notice a difference your probably the person that also says they can feel the earth rotating.
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Anw, it's about personal opinion, and I think everyone agree that both phones are good devics. For you guys, high physical resolution maybe very important, while I prefer longer battery usage (normally 7 -10 hours screen on time) and interesting features (s pen, true multi- tasking with split windows).
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You are completely right, it is about personal opinion. For me personally the dealbreaker on the Note II was the phones size (mostly width) and slippery plastic (i sure as hell wouldnt add a case to make it wider), and had nothing to do with the screen resolution. The note II does have nice battery and storage, but that doesnt change how huge it feels in my hand. I also care about how a phone looks, and the first impression I get on a Note II is that its ridiculous looking especially when holding one up to your head for phone calls.
I preordered mine. I've watched countless reviews and between the wireless charging back, s4 processor, 2GB Ram, the performance with near identical hardware outperforms the Nexus 4 in almost every synthetic test.
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And the best part is a game with 1080p graphics will be about 3 or 4 gigs and the device only has about 8 usable so you wont be able to play any games that are made for the resolution anyway, lol.
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Can't you just hook up OTG microusb drive for extra space?
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Can't you just hook up OTG microusb drive for extra space?
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Yes, but why should you have to? It appears that the usage model HTC has gone forward with is to carry two devices, one phone and one external memory device. Thats two power cords and two devices where ever you go. That is a terrible usage model to be designing a device around. How can anyone expect that model to succeed in today's world of 64 gig + phones?
They should move to a one device usage model, where your device has enough memory to have at least ten apps, and take pictures and videos, and still utilize the cloud. A minimum of 32 gigs is needed with the new features (photo sphere) and 1080p recording.......
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Yes, but why should you have to? It appears that the usage model HTC has gone forward with is to carry two devices, one phone and one external memory device. Thats two power cords and two devices where ever you go. That is a terrible usage model to be designing a device around. How can anyone expect that model to succeed in today's world of 64 gig + phones?
They should move to a one device usage model, where your device has enough memory to have at least ten apps, and take pictures and videos, and still utilize the cloud. A minimum of 32 gigs is needed with the new features (photo sphere) and 1080p recording.......
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Or just have same specs as Butterfly J with microSD slot....I am sure Verizon had everything to do with it.
htc.com/jp/smartphones/htl21/#specs
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Hi all,
I know this article has been floating around here for some time, but this I found rather interesting:
Some have raised points along the lines of Samsung Galaxy S2 phones already having a smoother UI and indicating that they are doing something different vs. the Galaxy Nexus. When comparing individual devices though you really need to look at all of the factors. For example, the S2's screen is 480x800 vs. the Galaxy Nexus at 720x1280. If the Nexus S could already do 60fps for simple UIs on its 480x800, the CPU in the S2's is even better off.
The real important difference between these two screens is just that the Galaxy Nexus has 2.4x as many pixels that need to be drawn as the S2. This means that to achieve the same efficiency at drawing the screen, you need a CPU that can run a single core at 2.4x the speed (and rendering a UI for a single app is essentially not parallelizable, so multiple cores isn't going to save you).
This is where hardware accelerated rendering really becomes important: as the number of pixels goes up, GPUs can generally scale much better to handle them, since they are more specialized at their task. In fact this was the primary incentive for implementing hardware accelerated drawing in Android -- at 720x1280 we are well beyond the point where current ARM CPUs can provide 60fps. (And this is a reason to be careful about making comparisons between the Galaxy Nexus and other devices like the S2 -- if you are running third party apps, there is a good chance today that the app is not enabling hardware acceleration, so your comparison is doing CPU rendering on the Galaxy Nexus which means you almost certainly aren't going to get 60fps out of it, because it needs to hit 2.4x as many pixels as the S2 does.)
To be complete, there is another big advantage that the GPU gives you -- many more drawing effects become feasible. For example, if you are drawing a bitmap in software, you basically can't do anything to it except apply an offset. Just trying to scale it is going to make rendering significantly slower. On a GPU, applying transformations well beyond simple scales is basically free. This is why in the new default Holo themes in Android we have background images -- with hardware accelerated drawing, we can afford to draw (and scale) them. In fact, if the hardware path is not enabled by the app, these background images will be turned off.
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This is kinda the same as with the Prime and the T700/other high-resolution tablets, isn't it? I'm not sure, but it sounds pretty obviously since the Tegra3 GPU isn't very good (yes, it is fine but I'm not sure for those high-res screens?). However I could be completely wrong..
I agree. It's the same with a gaming computer. Just because ur monitor has 1080p doesn't mean u can play all games in that rez. U will need a much more powerful gpu. I am certain though the tegra3 can support 1080p but it won't be smooth as 720p like our device. Unless u lower the rez but how would u on an android. Furthermore how ugly games would look who aren't optimize for 1080p.
Nvidia always!
The question isn't whether there's going to be a performance hit, it's what the performance hit looks like. If it's invisible in everything but gaming, I'd bet a lot of people will go for the HD display and gamers will stick to the lower res. If it's obvious in UI performance and transitions, it makes the benefit of the HD screen a little more questionable. The new chip in the iPad3 and Samsung's new Exynos chip won't make you choose (on paper). Benchmarks are useless except for bragging rights.
I have been saying this since people were trying to compare the new acer and samsung back in Dec. The higher the resolution, the more power and resources it takes. Also you have to look at the app market right now. What app's are out that will use that 1080p display...NONE as of now. Once they (1080p tablets) are released, it will be a few months before most apps will adapt to the new higher displays.
I continue to question the need for having a 1080p 10 inch display- there has to be a limit as to high a ppi count the human eye can reasonably distinguish. Just bumping up the resolution while not working on improving the true render process (in case of games or animations) does not make any sense to me.
A retina display just for the heck of it is not a great idea, at least to me.
For what it's worth, ICS is supposed to be fully hardware accelerated, so the Tegra 3 could be enough to power the higher resolution for everything but games.
Anandtech (who I probably trust the most when it comes to hardware evaluations) seemed to suggest in an early preview that the higher resolution *may* perform ok:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5348/...-with-asus-1920-x-1200-tablet-running-ics-403
That said, there are still questions as to the benefit of such a high resolution on a 10" form factor designed to be held only 1-2' away from your face. They didn't bump up to 1920 x 1200 resolution monitors until 24" LCDs and up.
The real issue is that games on Android don't let you pick a resolution for them to run at. Almost all run at the full Res of the screen, which means slideshow on a 1080p Prime.
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I continue to question the need for having a 1080p 10 inch display- there has to be a limit as to high a ppi count the human eye can reasonably distinguish. Just bumping up the resolution while not working on improving the true render process (in case of games or animations) does not make any sense to me.
A retina display just for the heck of it is not a great idea, at least to me.
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I agree, there is just no point..... there is more important things to improve than pixel count....
Thanks, at least I am not alone on this idea. It seems like when the news came that the iPad 3 is going to have a retina desiplay all the manufacturers didn't care anymore and just were thinking "We also need that!". I am comparision the text from thread with my HTC Sensation which should have a better DPI:
Transformer Prime: 149
The new Prime: 218
HTC Sensation: 260
and from NORMAL viewing distance both look great. However, when i come closer the pixels on the Transformer Prime are a little visible where the Sensation stays sharp. However the phone has a better DPI then the new res. panel so I'm not sure how that is.
I'm sure it will look some better, but I am not sure if it is worth the wait (again) and also the possibilty of the new Prime itself can't keep up with its own resolution..
Oh, again not trying to defend the Prime here.. I have to return it anyway because of backlight bleeding and am not sure if I want a new one or my money back, however if I see this result I think the resolution is just pure marketing.. I mean who is going to sit with its prime 5 cm from their heads.. lol.
http://androidandme.com/2012/01/news/hands-on-with-the-acer-iconia-tab-a510-and-zte-7-tablets/
Watch the video on Acer Iconia a510 (unannounced tablet). 1080p that comes with this tablet... does look a bit sluggish.
Just to add my galaxy nexus is 316 dpi..... unless your 2in from the screen...there really isn't much difference.
Also, I love how laptop and desktop DPI is half what most phone/tabs are and people are having a fit......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density#ASUS
Seems to run pretty good since it is still a pre-production model, however not as smooth as the Prime with ICS yes..
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Just to add my galaxy nexus is 316 dpi..... unless your 2in from the screen...there really isn't much difference.
Also, I love how laptop and desktop DPI is half what most phone/tabs are and people are having a fit......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density#ASUS
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Yeah, exactly what I mean.. you can see it if your very close to the screen, but why would you do that, lol.
Oh, btw.. for the iPad 1&2 it still is 132, which is much lower then our Transformers (149,5), never heard real complaints about that.
>What app's are out that will use that 1080p display...NONE as of now
eBooks & PDFs. Sharper texts. More texts. One can conceivably view 2 pages side-by-side (16:10 / 2 = 8:10, or close to the 8.5:11 printed page).
With display mirroring, you get 1:1 pixel ratio when plugged into a HDTV via HDMI. This makes above use-case (high-density text consumption) much more feasible. Ditto for remote access.
Gaming perf will take a hit. Then again, gaming isn't exactly an Android forte right now, or for mobiles in general. The bulk of games are casual stuff, geared for handset resolution.
One can argue that hardcore Android gaming will prosper over time, and FPS perf will matter more. There are problems with this line of thought. First, is simply the assumption that Android will prosper on tablets, which given current sales is hardly a forgone conclusion. Second, are the fast advances in hardware and their correspondingly short lifespan. GPU-wise, the Teg3 isn't the fastest even now. By the time we get to see enough hardcore games, we'd be on Teg 5 or 6, or their equivalent. Teg3 will be old news.
But sure, if shooters and frame count are your thing, then 720p sounds like a plan, at least for the Teg3.
>I continue to question the need for having a 1080p 10 inch display
Some don't see the need for GPS in tabs either. Some don't use the cams. Different people have different uses. You shouldn't generalize your use to be everyone else's.
Rest assured that when it comes to marketing, toys with lo-res display will be viewed as inferior. Bigger is better. It's the same thing with quadcore vs dualcore vs single-core. Do you actually need a quadcore?
>there has to be a limit as to high a ppi count the human eye can reasonably distinguish
This argument has been bouncing around ever since Apple's Retina Display. Per this PPI calculator, 1920x1200 is 224ppi on a 10.1". Reportedly, people can discern 300ppi at 12" distance, given 20/20 vision. The real test is simpler and much less theoretical: walk into a store and compare the TF201 and TF700 side-by-side, and see if you can discern the difference.
>Anandtech (who I probably trust the most when it comes to hardware evaluations) seemed to suggest in an early preview that the higher resolution *may* perform ok:
Anandtech is good for chip-level analysis. For (mobile) system hardware and use-case analysis, he's just as green as many other tech blogs. Note the gaffs on the Prime testing wrt GPS and BT/wifi coexistence. I do see signs of improvement, however. They came out with a new Mobile Benchmark suite, whatever that means.
>The real issue is that games on Android don't let you pick a resolution for them to run at.
The real issue is that Android is still a nascent OS for tablets. HC was a beta which never took off. ICS was just released. The bulk of Android apps & games are still for handsets.
I have been concerned about this as well. Tegra 3's GPU is fine enough for a 1200x800 tablet, but it's going to be stretched at 1080p (this is nearly the resolution that my desktop runs at!).
I'd love a higher-resolution display, but it's a luxury (well, a tablet itself kinda is already, but even more so). It's not as if 1280x800 is cramped and blocky. I'm happy to wait a bit longer for 1080p tablets to mature and come down in price.
(I'd rather have 2GB RAM, actually.)
Well, perhaps this new release will coincide with a bump in the specs of Tegra 3. By the time the new tablet comes out, I would assume that's been almost half a year.... That's usually about the time span that nvidia would come out with a refresh of a chip design (well, they do this with their desktop GPUs, so not a great comparison, but it's possible?). So in the end perhaps the question of performance will be moot because there will be a faster Tegra 3 and more RAM in the new higher resolution tablets.
Just a thought.
Don't underestimate.
Let's wait a review or test.
Probably the Tegra 3 is more than capable of handling this kind of resolution in terms of playing HD movie, high profile compression, etc.
I saw several tests on current prime, and it has no problem with HD videos.
My only concern is battery life ... that's all.
I expect the 1920x1200 will result worse battery life, unless ASUS pump up the battery capacity or any other improvement.
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Hi all,
I know this article has been floating around here for some time, but this I found rather interesting:
This is kinda the same as with the Prime and the T700/other high-resolution tablets, isn't it? I'm not sure, but it sounds pretty obviously since the Tegra3 GPU isn't very good (yes, it is fine but I'm not sure for those high-res screens?). However I could be completely wrong..
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gogol said:
Don't underestimate.
Let's wait a review or test.
Probably the Tegra 3 is more than capable of handling this kind of resolution in terms of playing HD movie, high profile compression, etc.
I saw several tests on current prime, and it has no problem with HD videos.
My only concern is battery life ... that's all.
I expect the 1920x1200 will result worse battery life, unless ASUS pump up the battery capacity or any other improvement.
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Asus has already stated that battery life will be pretty much the same as the current Prime...So that should equal shorter battery life.I'll stick with my Prime for now.No Need in buying another tablet right now IMO.I'm waiting to see what Samsung brings to the table.
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Well, perhaps this new release will coincide with a bump in the specs of Tegra 3. By the time the new tablet comes out, I would assume that's been almost half a year.... That's usually about the time span that nvidia would come out with a refresh of a chip design (well, they do this with their desktop GPUs, so not a great comparison, but it's possible?). So in the end perhaps the question of performance will be moot because there will be a faster Tegra 3 and more RAM in the new higher resolution tablets.
Just a thought.
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I don't think they can bump the specs within the generation of a chip. The only thing that can happen till then is that Asus finds an economical way to add 2GB memory to the device, Nvidia improves the production capabilities of Tegra 3 and we get a better yield of the chips. The spec increase can only happen from one generation to the next.
I think the performance will be fine. Even the battery life.
Most of the battery usage screen-wise is from the backlight, which will be the same.
Also, not much more power may be used necessarily either, especially if it doesn't end up taxing the Tegra 3 as much as we think it will. As far as we know, our 1200x800 displays may not even be taxing the Tegra 3 that much. If anything, the article shows that the Tegra 3 may be more qualified to handle that high a resolution with little to no performance degradation. There are demos on youtube of a tegra 3 device playing 1440p movies just fine, all while driving a second screen at the same time.
Of course I too don't feel the need for something that high of a resolution on a 10 inch screen, but I'll never really know until I see one in person.
I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
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Can you actually see the pixel difference on a 1920x1200 screen over the primes?
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I've counted them (the pixels) and the difference is that the count took two times as long!
But seriously, there is a point when it would be hard to see a difference, where more pixels would NOT really make a clearer screen.
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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Wordlywisewiz said:
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I am sorry that you are having problems with the Prime. However nothing you have said is actually relevant to the conversation that this thread was started with. Please try to keep on-topic, there are plenty of other threads where you can discus your tablet problems.
With regards to pixel density... it very much depends on how you use your Prime. If you read a lot on the Prime and have noticed pixelation in small text, then yes, upping the pixel density would improve your tablet experience. If you mainly watch videos then you probably won't notice the extra pixels on the size of screen that the Prime has.
The exact same debate took place when 1080P TV's came out. People that already bought 720P used the same defenses as to why 1080P TV's are overkill. 80% of high-def TV's sold last year were 1080P. Does anyone not think Apple's going to spend a gazillion dollars convincing the world life as we know will end if you don't have a retina (HD) display? Asus, Acer, and Samsung aren't introducing HD displays because it's practical, it's to combat Apple. How many of you expect your next phone to be qHD or 720P? And its only got a 4-5" display. Whether you personally care or not, tablets with HD displays are going to become the norm (potentially impacting the resale value of those that don't have it).
Wordlywisewiz said:
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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How is 1920x1200 = 2k?
And because the prime has that resolution doesn't mean there will be a lot of content using the extra 120 pixels lol.
it will be 1080p content with black bars on top and bottom, no difference in file sizes at all.
I guess it depends. In my opinion its all about what you're used to. For example, i'm used to gaming on a PC. There you use Anti-Aliasing on the games in 1080p, so i'm used to perfectly sharp images without any jagged edges. If I see the same games on a Xbox i always think the graphics are horrible, while most people think there are some amazing looking games on the xbox...
And i used to play Tomb Raider 1 on my old PC in 320x240 on a 15" CRT monitor. That was bad dpi. I still enjoyed it very much
So atm i have a 27" PC/TV combo monitor with 1080p. Thats what my eyes are used to. So my prime looks sharper to me than my PC monitor, and i think my PC monitor is more than sharp enough i hope you see now where i'm getting. I also cant tell the difference in dpi from my 800x480 4.3" phone to the iphone display...
What i'm trying to say, no one needs that kind of resolution. Its just nice to have, and once you got used to it, you probably dont wanna go back. All things aside, I think the Prime's screen is absolutely beautiful.
So if I had to compare 2 devices with different resolution the one very sharp, the other very very sharp I would look on all the other features first.
For example if the TF700T would have like 1 hour less battery life and would be heavier i'd still go for the Prime.
If we're talking RUMOURED ipad 3 resolution, well just think about this. Watching movies in that resolution (you first had to get them somehow, as far as i know all movies are max 1920x1080 today?) would be pretty sharp right. But because of a screen format that hasnt been used anymore since 10 years you will only be using a very small part of that screen to actually watch that movie.
Now everyone has to decide for themselfs, but for me there are FAR FAR more important features than resolution (especially if the difference is barely visable for me).
But people have spent huge amount of money on unuseful tech for lesser reasons
Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
YoMarK said:
Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
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Well, it won't have the exact same GPU, and the iPad 2 has a pretty ridiculously powerful PowerVR GPU. However I question Apple's choice to use GPUs that tend to focus on polygon performance instead of fill rate performance particularly when they're looking to dramatically increase screen resolution.
Apple is running out of things to say is best with the iPad / iPhone short of gimmicks like Siri and "retina" displays. They're going to pay for it in other areas though, they're going to need to have a GPU with a killer fill rate, and though the current SGX543MP2 can probably manage, doubtless they'll cram something that eats even more power into the iPad 3.
The thing that most Apple users don't know is that most of the tablet apps they'll be buying off the market won't make use of the high resolution or the processor, as the majority will have been built to run on the now-comparatively-pathetic iPad 1. At least we're seeing THD apps that make use of the additional processing power our tablets have to offer. I've yet to hear of Apple app developers doing the same, though I assume it'll have to happen at some point.
And finally, to answer the question of the OP, I highly doubt there will be any noticeable difference at the distance most of us hold a tablet. It's a little different for the iPhone; with a 3.5 inch screen you have to hold it a lot closer if you're reading text because it's that much smaller. Comparing smartphone display resolution to tablet display resolution is rather pointless as we hold them at different distances from our face depending upon the size of the display and the text / images on the screen.
Holding my TFP at its general 2-foot viewing distance, I'm hard pressed to make out any individual pixels, and my vision is 20/20. I won't be trading in my TFP for an iPad because of of difference in pixel density I may never even notice!
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I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
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I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
Of course you can... but who cares?
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All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Think from what distance you look at your TV. And then think from what distance you look at your tablet. Compare the relative sizes of the devices in your field of view. I use 23 inch screen for movies but I look at it from 50cm - it's bigger then than typical cinema screen (I'm nearsighted so I like it that way).
pdanders said:
I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
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Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly heavily decreased performance (compared to smaller displays)
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly! I think there is not even any 2K media (like cinema films) for end users available.
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet! You won't see that at "movie-distance"
Bragging rights?
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Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
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Now imagine if a TV of those size existed in the 1990s. It would weigh nearly a ton, resolution would be 640x480, and would probably cost about $3,999 dollars since anything over 36 inches was unheard of.
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The difference will be noticeable, but it's up to you whether you care enough to pay another 100 [insert currency here]. Was actually slightly disappointed with the display quality when viewing text on the TFP, but perhaps I'm just being ultra-picky. Can't be bothered to wait another 6 months at this point though.
Like many of you i consider the note the best thing since fire but thats not to say that it cannot get better
heres mh list of things that are a must for the next note
-same eraser technology like on the note tablet
-pen must be able to interact with capacitive buttons...if there are any by then
-finally when hand writing just use pen input... i have it when my finger accidently toches the screen
let me know what u guys want also and heck maybe samsung might read it also...please do jajajajaj
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QWERTY keyboard
I can dream.
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Bigger Screen! Same size device but maybe do away with the touch capacitive buttons and a Quad core
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Same physical size, screen all the way
Quad core lte of course
3000 mah battery
That will do
Larger battery. Even though it had the best life of any phone I have used, it could still be better, and I'm sure there's plenty of extra room to squeeze out a few more mAh. Make it built in if they need to, I could care less about being able to remove it, if it lasts me through a day with heavy usage. I imagine they could fit a monster in the frame of the Note seeing that Motorola crammed 3300 in the maxx.
Full 1080p Super AMOLED+. No pentile, even though it doesn't really bug me all that much on this high def screen, I can still notice a bit.
Carbon fiber unibody frame. Highly unlikely, but if I could have my way with the Samsung R&D team...strong, sexy, and super light.
Quad core Exynos for ****s n gigs. Not really necessary with the current state of most apps and Android in general, but it would make gaming unbelievable. Imagine if they started making games like Battlefield 3 compatible with phones, so that all you need is an HDTV and a Bluetooth controller to play games anywhere. Imagine how that would kill console gaming. Hell, I would drop 60 bucks on the app to be able to bring my gaming to any house I go to, as well as my saved games.
Varying levels of internal storage. If I could have bought a 32 or 64 gig note before a micro sd, I would for sure pounce on that. That would allow some serious game storage without needing an extra card.
Mini hdmi port. Mhl ports work, but in my experience they're mediocre at best. This goes along with my mobile gaming dream.
Wireless charging built in. The powermat was a cool idea, but the fact that you needed to use their stupid case sucked. I would love to plop my phone on my nightstand at night and know it will be charging.
12 MP camera maybe? Idk, the current camera doesn't need much improvement beyond better image processing, faster shutter speed, and better optics. 5 MP front facing with a flash on front.
Make it the Nexus Note. And release that beast as the first Jellybean phone.
Along with that stuff, all of the stuff you listed with the pen. Plus the pen could be sturdier, maybe aluminum? Haha.
I know what I have described would be very expensive, but even if they just made it as a premium model, I would bite hard on it, and probably shell out 500 for it subsidized.
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Doesn't matter, padfone is coming out.
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A Notification LED
2 gig ram quadcore, better gpu and a better screen, for spen recognition
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-bigger battery
-A Tegra 4 Wayne (they release later this year)
-higher res screen. Awesome screen now but I can still see the pixels.
-better s-pen. Now there's lots of bugs
-MOST IMPORTANT THING. Advanced LTE support for whenever they roll it out.
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Better S-Pen integration
Jellybean of course
3D option
Slide out QWERTY keyboard
LED Notification
16 MP back camera, 8 MP front with flash
Quad Core Tegra/Exynos
Micro HDMI
2 GB of RAM
3500 mAH battery
LTE with T-Mobile band support
I think I have just created the perfect phone.
Evidently a new stock keyboard, judging by the OP.
Just kidding!!
[But seriously, get swiftkey, you'll love it]
And I'm serious about the new keyboard - the autocorrection on the default keyboard is annoying at best.
Quad-core, dual channel memory would certainly round it out. And I wouldn't mind going up to 5.5 or even 6 inch screen.
Built in bluetooth earpiece would be great but I don't foresee much of a demand for such a thing - people like choice in that sort of device.
FFF (front facing flash)
Built in kickstand, something simple like evo had, simple but did the trick for skyping.
6" screen
Better spen functionality
Thin her out
Increase battery life
mini hdmi out
NFC that works
But if I were to have but only one feature, I'd make it a nexus straight from google phone so I dont have to deal with all the ATT bloat and feet dragging and BS big updates about bird games.
While i like the initial thoughts of an edge to edge screen, I do like to have an area to grip the phone, so I'd leave it as is with the bezel area.
As for slide out KB, I used to swear by them because of large hands. Went through a couple G1s then MyTouch Slide but eventually I gave it and never looked back.
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3D option
Slide out QWERTY keyboard
LED Notification
16 MP back camera, 8 MP front with flash
I think I have just created the perfect phone.
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No you did not....
Im sorry people i understand LED notifiers but i really just think they're unnecessary.
3D? QWERTY? No thank You. I don't need more bloatware and i had the thrill and never used 3D. Besides it would change the quality of our screen.
16 Megapixel back, 8 Megapixel front camera?! Do you know what you're saying? No person needs a 16 Megapixel camera on their phone. Do you know what editing a 16 mp pic in photoshop looks like? Do you know how big of a picture that is? And although the front can be improved it wouldn't need to be 8 mp. What the camera need is better quality (which does not mean higher mp), and the shutter speed needs to match that of an iphone 4s. (which i hope can be improved with a software update)
And the one thing everyone here missed as far as i saw is more memory. 10gb after the os? Psssshhhshshshshshshhhshshshshshhshshshs
And i hate having to buy high transfer speed sd cards
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...And i hate having to buy high transfer speed sd cards
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Careful, its crazy talk like this that will derail a thread into class vs cache debates.
RadDudeTommy said:
No you did not....
Im sorry people i understand LED notifiers but i really just think they're unnecessary.
3D? QWERTY? No thank You. I don't need more bloatware and i had the thrill and never used 3D. Besides it would change the quality of our screen.
16 Megapixel back, 8 Megapixel front camera?! Do you know what you're saying? No person needs a 16 Megapixel camera on their phone. Do you know what editing a 16 mp pic in photoshop looks like? Do you know how big of a picture that is? And although the front can be improved it wouldn't need to be 8 mp. What the camera need is better quality (which does not mean higher mp), and the shutter speed needs to match that of an iphone 4s. (which i hope can be improved with a software update)
And the one thing everyone here missed as far as i saw is more memory. 10gb after the os? Psssshhhshshshshshshhhshshshshshhshshshs
And i hate having to buy high transfer speed sd cards
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I thought this was a wish list, not a bash others' wish lists thread.
RadDudeTommy said:
No you did not....
Im sorry people i understand LED notifiers but i really just think they're unnecessary.
3D? QWERTY? No thank You. I don't need more bloatware and i had the thrill and never used 3D. Besides it would change the quality of our screen.
16 Megapixel back, 8 Megapixel front camera?! Do you know what you're saying? No person needs a 16 Megapixel camera on their phone. Do you know what editing a 16 mp pic in photoshop looks like? Do you know how big of a picture that is? And although the front can be improved it wouldn't need to be 8 mp. What the camera need is better quality (which does not mean higher mp), and the shutter speed needs to match that of an iphone 4s. (which i hope can be improved with a software update)
And the one thing everyone here missed as far as i saw is more memory. 10gb after the os? Psssshhhshshshshshshhhshshshshshhshshshs
And i hate having to buy high transfer speed sd cards
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I'm sorry my post offended you, but I don't mind reading your opinion. Why do you have to bash mine so badly? I was just making a joke wishlist...
The ability to use a second sd card as ram.
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Top of my list would be a more precise/responsive touch screen, both for finger and pen. Maybe it's an android issue, but I can't stand the. 5sec/.5cm of delay while trying to scroll in the browser. I don't think my iPhone 4s exhibited this. For tthose that have tried out ICS on n7000, is this lag still there or noticeable?
As far as the s-pen goes... c'mon, it's 2012, why does the pen input still feel the same as it did my my HP pocketpc?!?! I'd expect to be drawing/writing on the screen with 0 to non-perceptable lag by now. (In part due to android's non-GPU accelerated GUI?)
More juice please! The new.ipad can cram 12000mah into the battery, can we maybe just have 1/3 of that?? That's a 60% increase, combine with more energy efficient hardware, I won't have to carry extra batteries with me anymore.
-mungwi
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Better battery life.
Less width with the same screen size
=>less bezel width.
Quad-core Exynos processors
Jelly bean OS
FM radio as in the international version
Power button on top
64GB internal memory
Ceramic case
More native apps for S-pen
Universal programmable remote control app
Faster camera
Lower price!
One common global model supporting all carriers => faster development support!
...
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I'm sorry my post offended you, but I don't mind reading your opinion. Why do you have to bash mine so badly? I was just making a joke wishlist...
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I was having a bad day man, Im sorry. I really didn't mean to take it out on you.
But anyway. For further information about the Megapixel Myth here is a good article
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/technology/08pogue.html?pagewanted=all
Oh and another thing the GN2 should have is faster charging of the battery!
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Wouldn't it be better to just have 1920x1200, I think pushing that many pixels put a burden on the battery and cpu for little advantage, With the battery size the nexus have it would have lasted as long as the ipad. I haven't received mine but I don't think it will make much of a difference compared to a full hd display. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Have you seen it in person ? Its gorgeous . Seriously. . I fell in love with the display . And performance is excellent
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I think it's great.
But don't we have like 20 threads for this topic already...
It's an A15. I mean A9 quadcore and duo core krait pushes 1920X1200 just fine, so you might as well if the chip supports it. Otherwise the A15 is superfluous. I rather the screen be superfluous rather than the CPU/GPU.
You can never have too many pixels, the reason it might look superfluous is because it's so crystal clear, but try reading xda in your browser in overview mode and the tiny text is still crystal, then try it on an mdpi tablet or similar.
I'm just trying my best right now with experimentation to git pixel perfect wallpapers.
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You can never have too many pixels, the reason it might look superfluous is because it's so crystal clear, but try reading xda in your browser in overview mode and the tiny text is still crystal, then try it on an mdpi tablet or similar.
I'm just trying my best right now with experimentation to git pixel perfect wallpapers.
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Of course compared to a mdpi the difference is huge but compared to a full hd display I don't think you will notice any difference, even in portrait mode.
eltidi said:
Of course compared to a mdpi the difference is huge but compared to a full hd display I don't think you will notice any difference, even in portrait mode.
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I noticed the difference between the ipad 3 and the infinty/Acer. The Acer one actually has a nicer screen than the infinity btw which was surprsing. The Acer one had a super nice screen,
If there was a common resolution between 1920x1200 and 2560x1600 then I would say yes 2560x1600 is a bit overkill. However, there isn't a common resolution in use between the two and having owned a 1920x1200 tablet I can say that there is a noticeable difference between it and the iPad retina display in terms of text clarity.
All that said, I've not seen the Nexus 10 struggle to push 2560x1600. The only real issue it has with smoothness is with Chrome and this is a widespread issue. Chrome hasn't been updated since version 18 which was released back in March. Since then the Chrome for Android team has been working to get the Android port open sourced and upstream. There are already several bug fixes for responsiveness in Chrome 23+ but we'll have to wait until they make an Android release.
it's lame that you made this thread while you haven't received it...
I have gotten mine.. and have played with it for about 4 hours now.. and have lost about 10% battery.... 9000MAH is ALOT.. hasn't been a issue here..
I'd say that if your main use of a tablet involves text (as does mine, between ebook reading, browsing, RSS reading, etc.), then you simply can't have enough pixels. Other things matter, like color gamut and contrast and reflectivity and such (which is why the iPad 3 screen is so excellent even beyond the resolution), but for reading, I'll take every pixel I can get.
If you're mainly looking to game and watch video and such, then any true HD screen would likely be sufficient (and the higher the pixel count, the worse for gaming). So, pick your poison, I suppose.
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I have gotten mine.. and have played with it for about 4 hours now.. and have lost about 10% battery.... 9000MAH is ALOT.. hasn't been a issue here..
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There is no way you used it for 4 hours and 10% went done , I'm holding one in my hands and its a great tablet. But the battery not as great as you state it.
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Have you seen it in person ? Its gorgeous . Seriously. . I fell in love with the display . And performance is excellent
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Came here to say this. It's gorgeous!
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I'm just writing this to share my experience of the Galaxy alpha, I'll keep updating this as I think of more stuff to write. I'll also post pics when I can
But first I got to say this is an amazing phone, especially at the price I got it for, $270 new for the 850A,
I'm most impressed with the battery life, I average about 3 hours and 30 minutes of screen on time, and that's over 12 hours, right now it's at 11 hours with 1 hour and 30 minutes of SOT, with 53% left, If I push it I can get 4 hours SOT
Also I'm also surprised with the display, I came from a G3 with a 2K display, and before that an HTC One, you do notice the pixels about 6 inches from your face, and you shouldn't have it that close anyway, at about foot away it looks as sharp as my mom's G2
I'm not terribly impressed with the camera
Its takes very good photos outside, better then the G2, but in low light it's probably the worst I've ever seen
But one positive is the camera lens, it's very scratch proof, my mom and I got our phones at the same time, and used them the same, hers is full of scratches (my G3 was the same) and mine has not one speck
That's what I'm going to write so far, let me know if you have questions, I'll keep updating this thread with pics and more stuff I find to write about,
I also came from the G2 and I think the upgrade to Alpha is really good.
The best thing about the Alpha is its responsiveness (especially in lollipop) is the closest to an iPhone i've seen from an android device. It also kills the g2 in gaming---try running GTA San Andreas on G2, its hardly playable.
FOr the screen, I love the AMOLED Contrast but the resolution is horrendous due to the pentile display halving the already little 720p resolution. I really hope they atleast made it 1080p.
I also think the size is perfect. Onc eyou go back to smaller form factor you realize that the large size is overrated and you dont really need that much large device.
Low resolution was great choice from samsung if you dont use binoculars when you're using it you can't discover anything. Also it affects great buttery life so if you want sharper display (my opinion is that is unnecessary ) take g4 or something with this absolutely unnecessary thing .. also the performance is better cause the cpu dont have to count so many useless pixels like with fhd or 2k ...
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Low resolution was great choice from samsung if you dont use binoculars when you're using it you can't discover anything. Also it affects great buttery life so if you want sharper display (my opinion is that is unnecessary ) take g4 or something with this absolutely unnecessary thing .. also the performance is better cause the cpu dont have to count so many useless pixels like with fhd or 2k ...
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I agree. I still prefer the amoled of the alpha overall since it really has great visibility, viewing angles and colors. The best thing is the responsiveness of the alpha due to the 720p.
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I also came from the G2 and I think the upgrade to Alpha is really good.
The best thing about the Alpha is its responsiveness (especially in lollipop) is the closest to an iPhone i've seen from an android device. It also kills the g2 in gaming---try running GTA San Andreas on G2, its hardly playable.
FOr the screen, I love the AMOLED Contrast but the resolution is horrendous due to the pentile display halving the already little 720p resolution. I really hope they atleast made it 1080p.
I also think the size is perfect. Onc eyou go back to smaller form factor you realize that the large size is overrated and you dont really need that much large device.
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If I hold the G2 and the alpha about a foot from my face you can't tell the difference, but I'd rather have a 720p display then 1080p just for the battery life, I think anything over a 5 inch display should have 1080 though
Thanks OP for the Review.
Agree that Camera is a little off compared to S5 it is probably same sensor as S5 BUT Samsung intentionally dumbed it down to 12 Megapixels to not compete with S5.
For low light indoors- move exposure to plus two (+2) AND use picture stabilization BUT picture stabilize takes a lo-o-o-ong exposure so rest the phone on something while you hold it and voice actuate to avoid motion- still not great like S6 but much better.