http://ausdroid.net/2012/11/17/lg-australia-nexus-4-optimus-g-and-miracast/
Yes, the article isn't about N10 per se, but it has relevant info about Miracast that would translate to N10--whenever Goog can deliver on its claim of Miracast being a 4.2 feature rather than a phone-specific feature. Salient points from the piece:
"Both the Nexus 4 and Optimus G feature Miracast. On the Nexus 4, it’s supported through Android 4.2’s Secondary Displays...On the Optimus G, it’s part of the standard OS and can be enabled with a tap on a dedicated toggle in the notification shade’s Quick Settings area.
"Josh’s demonstration included browsing a photo gallery in full-screen mode on the TV, playback of HD video (an MKV file, no less), web browsing, and a game of Angry Birds. The phone can send output to the Miracast display from an application – for example, a video – and continue to use the phone normally. Josh demoed this by playing a video on the TV while playing Angry Birds on the phone.
"Another quirk is that Miracast uses your Wifi antenna, so you can’t maintain a connection to your home network while transmitting and will instead be relying on mobile data. This is a definite drawback compared to competing systems like AirPlay, but it’s something that could be added or changed as Miracast evolves.
"Notably, the demo was performed on the Optimus G. There seem to be issues with the implementation on the Nexus 4 which should be sorted out with a software update. This seems OK, as no-one has Miracast-capable hardware at the moment."
One of the things I wondered about Miracast was how it can maintain two wifi connections with a single radio. If the above is true, then it can't, so you can't do something like streaming Netflix from online, through your device, to the TV. This would put a massive damper on Miracast's appeal if you can't access the net (via wifi) while using Mira... Hmm, may be that's why Mira isn't available on N10. It only has wifi.
Also interesting that Mira implementations are different on OptiG and N4.
ummm...
Well I can't wait for android to actually allow wifi streaming apps like 'MirrorOp Sender' apps (plenty more on the market) get root access to the 'screen image'.
That is the only issue I am having, I have successfully used the Nexus 7 as my PC monitor with 'MirrorOp Receiver' as well as actually controlling the PC (windows 7) from the nexus with the same app, however as soon as I try to connect my Nexus 7 to the Qumi projector it informs me that root access is required, and to be quite honest I am not at all interested on rooting the nexus, I believe Google should include these things on the OS as they announced they would on JellyBean 4.2... a bit disappointing it still isn't out!
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I'm very interested to see how Google navigates the 'Live TV' area of the Nexus Q home entertainment machine. Google TV hasn't exactly taken off as they had expected for a number of reasons - namely high price and buggy, hard to understand implementation. I'm hoping they've learned from their mistake with the Nexus Q.
Right now my home TV setup is comprised of a live TV server (Windows Media Center on Windows 7) and then an Xbox 360 running as a media center extender. This bring me live, HD TV with a great UI and total DVR functionality. It's decent, but a bit of a pain to launch the MCE App on the Xbox when you want to watch TV.
Google bought SageTV almost exactly 2 years ago. SageTV consisted of a media server running on a home PC which provides all DVR functionality, and then SageTV 'placeshifter' which allowed you to watch TV, including premium cable content with a Cablecard, to any of their supported platforms.
SageTV was java-based, which means it is wholly possible that Google could be writing it into the Android platforum and the Nexus Q would be a perfect 'Extender' device. I'm hoping that Google might be working on this as a large secret project so that they can dominate the home entertainment ecosystem.
To me this would be the 'holy grail' of home entertainment. A box that supports both on-demand content (YouTube, Netflix, Music) as well as Live TV.
Does anyone think this is possible? Would you use such a setup?
I think your looking more for a Google TV than the Nexus Q. It's strange to kind of have competing boxes but the Nexus Q seems just for streaming content and the ability to easily share from phone/tablet to your entire house depending on how many you have.
Why they just didn't ad some of these functions to the Google TV product I don't know.
But a nexus q as a front end working with say hdhome turner and feeding streams out Google tv.....god I want this, I love my htpc but I want something like android for the popularity
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I was thinking of the coolness factor of just having one device, a phone, to which you could connect an external display and have an extended desktop. I am not finding any reference to this on Android (only the MS Surface). From what I have been reading, and remember/understand (may be confused), Jelly Bean brought the ability for windowing apps. However, the apps have to be coded for the capability, unless you root your phone and installed an app that provided windowing for all apps. Also, I have not heard of the possibility of having an extended desktop in Android.
I would like to ask WHY? Why not have windowing and the ability for an extended desktop, on an external display? A bluetooth keyboard and mouse just follows. Does google have to play nice with the manufacturers that stand to loose from people only needing one device? Is there a reason I'm not thinking of? Most phones are fast enough for this these days.
At the turn of the century, I was running GPS software Deluo Routis on a Sony Vaio 505 Pentium 200Mhz laptop running Win98. The 2-D graphics were smooth even while playing mp3's through the car speakers. The mapping software showed the map clearly, and effectively gave me navigation. People have lost sight of how much you can do if you give up the bloat and bling.
Also, I am pretty confused with the merging of Android and Chrome. I never liked Java to begin with; my experience with it is in MS Windows, and it runs slow as molasses. I believe my phone would run much faster if they had not chosen Java. I understand this to be because you have an operating system running on top of another operating system. It just makes more sense to me to have less layers and run apps natively, for better performance. I thought maybe they chose Java for its level of security. Is the screening process for Google Play not foolproof enough?
I like the philosophy of Google better than Microsoft**, so if one of them is going to win, I hope it's Google. I'm hoping Google won't end up with a convoluted Android/Chrome operating system because Lawyers forced them to (the idea I get based on the latest news). I don't understand: do they want to keep their OS architecture simple, but are being forced to make the OS complex for different reasons?
**Apple doesn't even want to compete. They have never wanted to dominate, just make huge profits. Unless they break up the marriage of hardware and software, they won't win. Then again, if Samsung keeps dominating, there may not be much hardware diversity?
Oh, and my main question was: "Why not have windowing and the ability for an extended desktop?". Wouldn't that be a big deciding factor for anyone that wanted to simplify and just have one device?
Anybody? Tell me I'm crazy at least. There has to be a strategic reason, that Google does not introduce full windowing and extended desktop support.
Its coming eventually. though you could do it right now. Motorola tried something like this with their atrix lapdocks.
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E_Phather said:
Its coming eventually. though you could do it right now. Motorola tried something like this with their atrix lapdocks.
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Can you do it right now with any android device having a video port?
Well lets look at how we could achieve this with todays technology.
Input:
Bluetooth Mouse & keyboard.
Output:
Wireless display with support for older displays using something like Chromecast.
Graphical User Interface:
A secondary Launcher/Application (Which could potentially see companies like MS & Canonical developing their own UI's and Charging for them if required).
Home & Office use with one device:
Home would be the default UI, but when your device has used NFC to log into the office it would automatically enable your Office profile/UI for a certain length of time (requiring you to log back in after a set time or manual log out via another NFC tap).
This would be very useful as it would enable you to take your "desktop" environment anywhere with you and connect to any HDTV with Wireless display/Chromecast support.
Applications:
So if like me you are finding your phone to become ever more a better solution to your digital needs and you only require your desktop for apps which work better with larger displays (Videos & certain games) you will find this very useful.
Games:
Now games could become ever more better as they could be controlled using standardised control inputs (game controllers could use standardised input methods allowing you to select any compatible controller to best suit your needs) or even a driving game could allow you to see the game on a HDTV yet be controlled with the accelerometer for steering and the right of the devices touch display would be the accelerator and the left of the display would be the brakes for example.
More Business Solutions:
If you could wirelessly connect to the office display then show a powerpoint style presentation that would be great because the very device which stores the file would also be your controller to move to the next/pevious slides.
Media:
Music could possibly be stored in the cloud so when your on the move you can listen to your music as many of us do now, but when connected to a large display it could utilise the large display and speakers to show a music video too!.
Photos could be viewed on the large screen and the next one to be displayed could be select on the device (allowing the use to avoid showing anyone pictures which they don't want other to see - ie: pitcures of you and your friends whilst your parents/grandparents are in the room...).
The TV Guide:
The TV Guide would become a very interactive thing which allows you to see what is available on other TV channels without other people in the room being limited to viewing the content they are trying to watch in a small box in the corner of the display...
These are just some ideas of what is possible, but I know that you could do so much more with this and with 64-bit technology coming to many mobile devices soon that will make it so much easier for devices to process all of this data at once without any serious lag!.
I would love to see a group of developers on XDA team up on an open desktop (secondary) launcher to run alongside the users primary (phone) launcher. if there was a project like this with an open framework to develop apps for I'd be happy to start developing apps for that or separate UI's to run alongside my current (Phone/Android) apps UI's.
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Also remember that this could be utilised in other ways too eg:: connecting your device to your car and your device could deliver your navigation & music to your vehicles display whilst getting important traffic/weather news using your devices network connection!.
Isn't this exactly what the Ubuntu phone intends to do or have I got the wrong idea?
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Yes, but with Android already having a large ecosystem it would make a lot of sense to build upon that.
Chromecast is not "open" to third party apps. http://www.minyanville.com/sectors/...eeds-to-Tread-Lightly-With/8/28/2013/id/51502
Do they have a displayport version of Chromecast? *cough*
quote from: http://www.tested.com/tech/set-top-boxes/457036-testing-google-chromecast/
"Chromecast is also not a particularly good desktop mirroring option, either. It actually can't do full desktop mirroring, and instead works solely with the Chrome browser. In beta right now is Chrome tab streaming, which sends to Chromecast everything that can be rendered in a single Chrome tab, including web pages, flash embeds, and even full-screen MKV video files if you have VLC installed. I like that Chrome tab streaming works independently of what's showing on your laptop or desktop's screen--like with YouTube and Netflix, you can multi-task and switch to other tabs or windows while one tab is being streamed. The only thing that matters is the window size and screen resolution. Chromecast will automatically scale the aspect ratio of your window to fill up your TV screen, adding black bars on the sides to avoid stretching. A full-screen resolution of 1440x900 looked good on a large 1080p TV, but streaming from a 2560x1600 monitor at full-screen made the text unreadable on my 70" TV."
Wow... I thought only displayport was capable of 2560x1600 (edit: hdmi v1.3 brought this). Even if I hook it up to my 2560x1600 monitor, it won't really display anything but entertainment. Chromecast doesn't seem to be a way to have a monitor, to use your Android phone as a PC replacement.
AllCast !!!
http://www.geek.com/android/chromecast-reject-becomes-allcast-public-beta-now-available-1578674/
However, I still need to add some kind of wifi enabled device to my 30" lcd monitor (like with chromecast). Really, I don't mind a cable connection from my phone to my monitor, if that was an option. If Google continues to be closed like this, then I would go for Ubuntu phone.
Displayport:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyDP#SlimPort
Any phones have this besides the Google Nexus 4? Actually, I'm not getting a new phone until I know what the hell will happen with Android / Chrome OS
Quote from: http://www.tested.com/tech/android/457205-mhl-vs-slimport/
"SlimPort's support for the DisplayPort standard--specifically Mobility DisplayPort--means it can output video at the same 4K resolution as MHL, though not via HDMI (yet, anyway). And here SlimPort hasn't really made good on its potential, yet; though it's based on the flexible DisplayPort standard, the only SlimPort adapters currently available are for VGA and HDMI connectors. The upshot is that you won't be plugging a Nexus 7 into a 1440p DisplayPort computer monitor anytime soon." http://www.slimportconnect.com/
Chromecast May Get Screen Mirroring With Android 4.4.1
Evidence in Android 4.4.1 indicates that screen mirroring is coming to Chromecast.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/chromecast-google-screen-mirroring-kitkat-android,25345.html
It could start with mirroring a primary display, but gradually result in mirroring something that a GPU has rendered for a secondary display.
A dock from Samsung Galaxy phones. Has USB ports, HDMI, and audio.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EDD-S20JWEGSTA
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A dock from Samsung Galaxy phones. Has USB ports, HDMI, and audio.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EDD-S20JWEGSTA
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I tried that myself with my previous Galaxy S4 (i9500), It was a great dock and when I connected my wireless KB & Mouse USB dongle & connected the HDMI to my PC monitor it was a good experience when doing things like playing GTA3 on the bigger screen (it was better than the windows version in some ways).
But the device just needed a separate home screen UI to be output to the PC screen to look perfect and to work better with the KB & Mouse input type.
It shouldn't be too difficult to make a UI that simply changes the size of some buttons to a smaller size, enabling more widgets to fit on the home screen and if they could simply force the apps to run in either windowed or full screen that would enable better multi-tasking, then the browsers would just need a small update to detect if the device is running in Desktop Mode if so, then simply zoom out of the page a little to emulate the desktop browser experience.
Just a few ideas... If Google's Android team are reading this, I would recommend that you get that dock to experiment with for future Android builds.
Especially now that OS' like Ubuntu Phone are looking at going down this road of the one device fits all computational needs.
Rather than creating a new thread I thought that it would appropriate to bring this topic back up after the recent announcements that several OEM's have made, that they will be releasing desktops with Android as their Primary/Secondary OS.
I hope that this pushes Google into creating a dedicated desktop UI in the future.
I read that the N9 isn't miracast compatible. Does that mean I will not be able screen mirror with the amazon fire stick?
Didn't realize the fire stick allowed for Miracast. And no it won't.
Wow so I can't even get screen casting to work with a Chromecast even though it detects the device, but I am however able to cast with apps like YouTube.
Anyone else experiencing this?
Works fine for me
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Works fine for me
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What could I be doing wrong?
My note 4 is able to screen cast to the chromecast no problem...
Shouldn't need to do anything fancy to make it work. Hmmm
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There is a different between screen casting and (app) casting. The latter simply requires an app that can chromecast AND that the device is on the same wifi network.
Screen casting requires either 'specific' devices that are capable of screen mirroring to chromecast OR miracast capability (I think Sony devices may offer this). For the former, here are the supported devices.
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There is a different between screen casting and (app) casting. The latter simply requires an app that can chromecast AND that the device is on the same wifi network.
Screen casting requires either 'specific' devices that are capable of screen mirroring to chromecast OR miracast capability (I think Sony devices may offer this). For the former, here are the supported devices.
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That's the thing.
My N9 can't screen cast, but it can app cast.
My note 4 can do both.
My N9 can do both.
Resurrecting this to clarify some things. Apps that play video on one device from another when you have that app installed on two devices on the same subnet use DIAL (Discovery and Launch), they will work on all devices because the entire mechanism is baked into the app. Youtube, Netflix, Sony, and Samsung created the DIAL protocol. With DIAL, the displaying device is getting the media from the internet and just being controlled by the other device. This a per-app thing and completely device independent and not at all what this thread is about.
Miracast is actual screen streaming. Support is built into Android 4.2 and greater and Intel's WiDi initiative has basically folded over into Miracast. Google removed miracast support from all Nexus and Pixel devices, all other android 4.2 and up devices support Miracast because it is part of Android. This is a super bull**** move by Google and Miracast can be turned on with a single line edit to the build.prop if you root your phone.
Chromecast was Google combining an OS level DIAL implementation with Miracast. Chromecast has since been changed from using straight up DIAL for the media casting to use the more proprietary mDNS, but it's basically the same. Amazon products do not support Chromecast, which is a bit less of a bull**** move compared to Google turning off Miracast on Nexus and Pixel devices since Chromecast is more proprietary.
There are 3 ways to get around the problem, all of which have been done and only 2 are currently available:
Add an app that supports Chromecast protocols to the firestick. There have been a few come and go, they all get in trouble from Google because Chromecast stuff is proprietary. Currently there is AirScreen on the Amazon App Store. It probably steals your data and sends it to China and North Korea, but it works.
Add a miracast app to the Nexus device. There have been a few, but I can't find one at the moment.
Root the nexus device and edit the build.prop file to turn Miracast support back on. Definitely the cleanest, but you permanently trip the security check on the phone and can't use it for payment apps like Google Wallet anymore.
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Resurrecting this to clarify some things. Apps that play video on one device from another when you have that app installed on two devices on the same subnet use DIAL (Discovery and Launch), they will work on all devices because the entire mechanism is baked into the app. Youtube, Netflix, Sony, and Samsung created the DIAL protocol. With DIAL, the displaying device is getting the media from the internet and just being controlled by the other device. This a per-app thing and completely device independent and not at all what this thread is about.
Miracast is actual screen streaming. Support is built into Android 4.2 and greater and Intel's WiDi initiative has basically folded over into Miracast. Google removed miracast support from all Nexus and Pixel devices, all other android 4.2 and up devices support Miracast because it is part of Android. This is a super bull**** move by Google and Miracast can be turned on with a single line edit to the build.prop if you root your phone.
Chromecast was Google combining an OS level DIAL implementation with Miracast. Chromecast has since been changed from using straight up DIAL for the media casting to use the more proprietary mDNS, but it's basically the same. Amazon products do not support Chromecast, which is a bit less of a bull**** move compared to Google turning off Miracast on Nexus and Pixel devices since Chromecast is more proprietary.
There are 3 ways to get around the problem, all of which have been done and only 2 are currently available:
Add an app that supports Chromecast protocols to the firestick. There have been a few come and go, they all get in trouble from Google because Chromecast stuff is proprietary. Currently there is AirScreen on the Amazon App Store. It probably steals your data and sends it to China and North Korea, but it works.
Add a miracast app to the Nexus device. There have been a few, but I can't find one at the moment.
Root the nexus device and edit the build.prop file to turn Miracast support back on. Definitely the cleanest, but you permanently trip the security check on the phone and can't use it for payment apps like Google Wallet anymore.
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Can you verify this works and specify the build.prop line to add? I've used this method on my Nexus 6 and 9 in the past but it stopped working since Android 6 or 7 or so. The option to cast via Miracast would return but it would never make a connection after a certain OS version.
Hi guys... I am new to this forum and therefore couldn't post to the developer forum, even though I am one.
There is this Kickstarter campaing "Superscreen" which promises to give you a low-cost, tablet-like device, which streams your phones display to the 10" "Superscreen". They make several interesting claims on their FAQ section:
- the devices uses no mirroring... they seem to use their own streamingprotocol from within an app, you have to install on your phone (no Chromecast or something like that involved).
- the stream displayed on the tablet part is not bound to the phones resolution! So they claim that a 4k video on a 1080p phone will be displayed as 2k on the tablet (which is 2k) (and I understand that they do not use upscaling)
- you can actually use your phone to do different things than the tablet is doing (so it isn't just streaming)... they call it "dual screen" or something like that
- less interesting, just FYI: The seem to establish a wifi-direct connection between phone and superscreen
Now I am wondering how is that possible and which APIs the Superscreen app is using (they claim it all works on Android 4)?
- I can't find anything in the Android API to grab the whole screen content and to stream it (except for chromecast maybe, which these guys don't use)
- How can the "Superscreen App" convince another video player app and the Android system to render at a different resolution then the phone's?
- How can they render apps offscreen to enable this dual screen thing?
I would love to hear your ideas, as I have no clue how they do it without any rooting and on Android 4...
EDIT: I watched some youtube videos about the product and (while it still may be a prototype) 1) regular apps definetely seem to be upscaled (opposed to what the Kickstarter claims specifically for videos) and 2) there is considerable lag it seems, not suprisingly...
I have slow DSL with buffer issues so I prefer to download shows for offline viewing. I sideloaded the phone/tablet prime video apk and aside from graphical glitches (no rewind/forward/subs controls) downloads are only in SD - even after selecting "Best" download quality which downloads HD on my other android devices.
Is there a workaround? Or another android tv box which Amazon officially supports for HD downloads?
I installed DRM Info and it all checks out. The device is Widevine L1 certified & connected via HDCP 2.2.
It seems Amazon simply does not acknowledge TV boxes! (when it comes to offline viewing)
To answer my own question, Android TV as an OS is not & never will be suitable for any kind of show downloads!
From experimenting with the non-HD download support in sideloaded TV apps, Android TV is very susceptible to data corruption as it lacks a shutdown procedure.
It is designed to be abruptly turned off at the mains along with the TV (for example, it is an integrated into many Sony TVs).
Thus it is nothing more than a streaming OS and offers nothing extra when connected to already smart TVs.
I feel "Android TV" is false advertising. It is far more minimal and less capable than Android phones & tablets with many features, app permissions, settings screens missing. Also it has no notification area at all.
Thus many sideloaded apps are uninstallable or unusable.
They should go back to calling it Google TV to remove the associations & expectations of an Android device!