So I've had my phone for a year and rarely use the GPS feature.
In the past (stock) I've kept all my phone features on including Google location services, etc. Now that my phone is rooted and running AOKP, I turn off all the Google location services, report my location, etc, to save on battery.
My question is since this phone uses A-GPS (yes I wiki'd it) does it mean that it is REQUIRED to have these location services turned on in everywhere in the phone in order for GPS to work? I've tried using GPS without all these services but for some reason GPS didn't seem to work. It comes back with can't determine location, etc.
So do I need all these Google services to be running or should I just be able to enable GPS and have it work for turn by turn navi?
Should only have to have GPS turned on.
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jackal2001 said:
So I've had my phone for a year and rarely use the GPS feature.
In the past (stock) I've kept all my phone features on including Google location services, etc. Now that my phone is rooted and running AOKP, I turn off all the Google location services, report my location, etc, to save on battery.
My question is since this phone uses A-GPS (yes I wiki'd it) does it mean that it is REQUIRED to have these location services turned on in everywhere in the phone in order for GPS to work? I've tried using GPS without all these services but for some reason GPS didn't seem to work. It comes back with can't determine location, etc.
So do I need all these Google services to be running or should I just be able to enable GPS and have it work for turn by turn navi?
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AFAIK agps just helps it obtain a lock faster.
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aGPS supplies the GPS the updated almanac and ephemeris data from the network, and allows faster lock by aligning the system clock using one of the clock servers.
If it sounds like Chinese - then google all the unknown terms, and eventually you'll be able to google the answer to your question.
I read some other article that stated you needed to have data turned on as it draws the maps. All the google maps are not stored to the device???
jackal2001 said:
I read some other article that stated you needed to have data turned on as it draws the maps. All the google maps are not stored to the device???
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No. You need data. And either Google's location service or gps turned on.
Phalanx7621 said:
No. You need data. And either Google's location service or gps turned on.
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So what does "make available offline" in the maps settings do? I guess I just can't turn on GPS and enable "offline maps" mode and that will work too.
This is why I ask these questions. Some people say you don't need anything other than GPS and other say you need to have location services on.
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So what does "make available offline" in the maps settings do? I guess I just can't turn on GPS and enable "offline maps" mode and that will work too.
This is why I ask these questions. Some people say you don't need anything other than GPS and other say you need to have location services on.
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When you enable offline maps it's only for a small area.
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jackal2001 said:
So what does "make available offline" in the maps settings do? I guess I just can't turn on GPS and enable "offline maps" mode and that will work too.
This is why I ask these questions. Some people say you don't need anything other than GPS and other say you need to have location services on.
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Enabling offline maps tells the device to cache any routes you plot in nav or maps so that if you lose data connection navigation will continue to function. If you depart from that route without data connection, you'll lose nav.
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I read some other article that stated you needed to have data turned on as it draws the maps. All the google maps are not stored to the device???
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1. If you just want to use the GPS feature, then it must be TURNED ON. That's it. No other requirement, other apps asking for location services have nothing to do with GPS function of the phone.
2. About google maps and gps service on this phone.
a. the map itself is stored on their Google server, so in order to use map, you must have accessed internet, hence either wifi or mobil data required.
b. if you carry other maps that stored locally in the phone internal space such Tomtom, Sygic, .... you DO NOT need wifi or mobil data to use this function.
3. About the Google's OFFline maps. A lot of people do not fully understand the usage of it.
Back to step 2a above, I said "google maps stored on their server" so you need internet access. In this case, offline map is just a small cache (10 miles radius) and it does store in the phone memory. So yes, you do NOT need internet (wifi or mobil data) to use "offline maps" (of course, you must create one before hand)
What is the down side?
a. As mention, it is just a small cache.
b. If you define the term "GPS" as global position system then you know all it does is getting lock and determine your location and that's pretty much is. You CANNOT route the route. You CANNOT navigate from point A to point B. You CANNOT search for an address.
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I've been searching for this but haven't been able to find a definitive answer.
How does the GPS actually work? And does it use your data or is it an extra fee?
Thanks
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It depends how you are using it. If you use it with an online navigation like Google maps, it will charge you for internet. But if you use it with offline navigation like Sygic, iGo and others it will cost you nothing.
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Wondered myself about this thanks for clearing this up
The GPS system uses an array of satelites. Your phone uses these to establish its position. This involves no 2G/3G data connection to your service provider. As G-FACE then states various apps will then either uses this info on its own or combine it with downloaded data for sat nav etc.
Essential gps usage does not need data allowance unless you are using aGPS ([Settings] Assisted GPS that downloads some transmitter data (your network provider) enables you to find your location quicker). Google Maps as well as many of 3rd-party apps do use data to store temporary information and eg. browsing maps' layers in real-time.
I've been trying to make the phone's GPS work through Google Location Services. Once I click on the Google Location Services through settings, I pull down the menu and click the GPS icon, and it says that it needs to connect to Standalone GPS services. Anyone know the issue?
You must have "stand alone GPS" enabled for the GPS to work (be on.) Its like that with all Roms and modems as far as I remember. The Google location services just supplement the GPS data.
OhioYJ said:
You must have "stand alone GPS" enabled for the GPS to work (be on.) Its like that with all Roms and modems as far as I remember. The Google location services just supplement the GPS data.
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Serious~? Hmm..thanks!
Hi,
I'm just wondering why my GPS doesn't work without internet connection. It just can't connect to any sattelite. I'm currently using PFGPS v2.0 FIX for my country (Poland) and I don't see any changes. What is wrong?
It requires Internet to load the maps
Can I load maps now to use GPS without internet connection if I'm not in wifi area?
Brajano95 said:
Can I load maps now to use GPS without internet connection if I'm not in wifi area?
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how can you load maps without internet connection ??
I'm at home now so I can do it cause I have wifi here :/
Brajano95 said:
I'm at home now so I can do it cause I have wifi here :/
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so you have wifi that means you are connected to the internet!!!
for GPS it can only find your position but can't display your location on a map without an internet connection so GPS needs one.
I will wait for answer from another person. Thank you.
There is an application on the market(related to sports/tracking) that allows you to download a portion of a map and then you can use your GPS offline(no data connection). When I get home I will look for it(I have it on my tablet).
Correct me if I am wrong but Brajano95 means that is it possible to load the maps on his wifi connection and keep then saved when he is out and about to allow the gps to connect. You used to be able to do this in the google labs section on google maps but they've since taken it away unless you look for an older version. Otherwise have a look for third party map app on the android market which allows downloading of map data to the phone
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Correct me if I am wrong but Brajano95 means that is it possible to load the maps on his wifi connection and keep then saved when he is out and about to allow the gps to connect. You used to be able to do this in the google labs section on google maps but they've since taken it away unless you look for an older version. Otherwise have a look for third party map app on the android market which allows downloading of map data to the phone
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Thats exactly what I'm talking about! Now I'm downloading Sygic Aura (about 550 mb) and will test it later.
Because GPS and Maps on CM7 suck balls at best. Maps is using your I.P. for the GPS coordinates when on WIFI, without it Maps is counting on a reliable signal from your GPS; and that's just not going to happen with CM7.
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You can use iGo My Way
I know a fair bit about the GPS module in the Ace so i will comment. I think someone has already told you that it is possible to operate the Ace with preloaded maps. Likewise, i thought that the OP's choice of Sygic Navigation is a fair one.
Back to the original question in the title. GPS can operate with or without internet be it wifi or data e.g. 3G/2G. The difference is how fast you can obtain a GPS lock. Without using any positioning help from data connectivity, you are looking at a lock time of possibly 15 minutes thereabout.
There are 4 modes of operation possible for the GPS module in the Ace which is actually Qualcomm's GpsONE.
1.) Standalone (Slowest using positioning information in cache and smart polling)
2.) MS-Based (Sends data to nearby cell tower(s) and makes use of GPS transceivers in the cell tower(s)
3.) MS-Assisted (Similar to MS-Based BUT data connectivity is broken when GPS transceiver is online. I don't quite like that!)
4.) MS-Based/Hybrid (You need to have superb data connectivity probably cell tower signal strength should be in the -50dBm region. Not very useful in real life usage)
i have had my own thread for fixing GPS, so read up if you want to know more here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320626
first you need the maps to use it offline, and the correct gps.conf for your location http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284506, then you can use it without internet
Mapdroyd is a great app that allows you to download maps for offline use. Unfortunately there isn't offline navigation though..
Hi,
I've solved my problem, just install Sygic! Thanks for helping guys
btw u dont need too install anything.. go to google labs inside maps and add map cache.. now long press a location on map.. click the arrow on the address and u ll see an option to cache that area.. the steps may not be accurate as i tried it a long time back and dont have my phone with me but its possible and what u have to do will be more or less the same...
Ok so I have a question. I got my GPS dongle yesterday (it works great!) however When I try to use it with google maps for navigation without wifi, maps says it needs a data connection to work. I'm not sure how some people here are using the TFP with the dongle for navigation without wifi. Can someone enlighten me?
gps needs data
The issue is that google maps and navigation needs to download maps and data. What you need is a navigation app with offline maps. For mapping try mapdroyd.
There are two sorts of GPS navigation apps - the sort that plan your road journey from A to B and give you turn by turn directions and the sort that display a map, show where you are and you can put in a "as the crow flies" route A to B to C which is for walking, sailing or flying
(there are many free maps for these apps and your country is relevant - available file formats . Suggest you google free gps maps + country )
I'd search for "gps map" in Google Play and see what catches the eye.
chucky7910 said:
Ok so I have a question. I got my GPS dongle yesterday (it works great!) however When I try to use it with google maps for navigation without wifi, maps says it needs a data connection to work. I'm not sure how some people here are using the TFP with the dongle for navigation without wifi. Can someone enlighten me?
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Google Maps allows for offline maps, just enable it in the LABS menu item.
Google Maps uses data to download the maps. You have to use a Navigation app that doesn't use data connection.
I personally use CoPilot Live Premium USA. Well worth the $20 w/ Live Traffic. The Maps are downloaded to your SD Card. For my region (So CAL) it was about 764mb. Once again, this app allows you to use your Primes GPS connection and no data required for operating.
There are plenty more Nav apps in the Market store...it's up to you which one is of your liking.
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Google Maps uses data to download the maps. You have to use a Navigation app that doesn't use data connection.
I personally use CoPilot Live Premium USA. Well worth the $20 w/ Live Traffic. The Maps are downloaded to your SD Card. For my region (So CAL) it was about 764mb. Once again, this app allows you to use your Primes GPS connection and no data required for operating.
There are plenty more Nav apps in the Market store...it's up to you which one is of your liking.
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I agree. CoPilot Live is the best. I've gone thru all the different ones in Google Play, and none could beat CoPilot live.
Bob
chucky7910 said:
Ok so I have a question. I got my GPS dongle yesterday (it works great!) however When I try to use it with google maps for navigation without wifi, maps says it needs a data connection to work. I'm not sure how some people here are using the TFP with the dongle for navigation without wifi. Can someone enlighten me?
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The trick is to set the navigation destination while you have data service and let it start and make that blue route line. It will track all the way to the location, and if you cached the map area (settings > labs) even reroute if you go the wrong way, all without the initial data service.
Each pre-cached area is 10 square miles and is stored unless you wipe the cache. I'm in lower NY state so I just did my house, upper NJ, and NYC and it covers most all of the places I ever go without ever having to think about it again.
Going somewhere new just cache the route and location it will be there if you ever go back. Still better than having to pay for navigation in my book.
mikeypopps said:
The trick is to set the navigation destination while you have data service and let it start and make that blue route line. It will track all the way to the location, and if you cached the map area (settings > labs) even reroute if you go the wrong way, all without the initial data service.
Each pre-cached area is 10 square miles and is stored unless you wipe the cache. I'm in lower NY state so I just did my house, upper NJ, and NYC and it covers most all of the places I ever go without ever having to think about it again.
Going somewhere new just cache the route and location it will be there if you ever go back. Still better than having to pay for navigation in my book.
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That' exactly what I did to one of my GPS dongle videos. I used Google maps for navigation by using my Evo as data connection then cut it once it grabed the directions. Works without any problems.
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Hello comrades,
How exactly are location and google location accuracy different? I thought the location option in the settings meant that the device used a combo of wifi, network and GPS data to arrive at the location pin as android removed the option to select the sources of the GPS. So, if I follow this logic, what's the purpose of google location accuracy other than duplication and battery drain!?
Location allows you to use the GPS service on your phone and it's not tied to your data unless your app is requesting live traffic. I have Here Maps which allows offline download of maps, I also have Google Maps that allows you to download sections, so you can technically use offline mode and not use any mobile or wifi data to navigate to your destination. The Google location accuracy is a combination of your WIFI, mobile networks and your phones sensors.
cledee said:
Location allows you to use the GPS service on your phone and it's not tied to your data unless your app is requesting live traffic. I have Here Maps which allows offline download of maps, I also have Google Maps that allows you to download sections, so you can technically use offline mode and not use any mobile or wifi data to navigate to your destination. The Google location accuracy is a combination of your WIFI, mobile networks and your phones sensors.
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Oh I thought the location setting in your phone actually fused all the networks together..I guess enabling the google location accuracy just when using the maps might be beneficial..wonder if there's a routine for this. I don't want to have google location accuracy on all the time...
i have found a lot of apps will not use location unless google location accuracy is turned on, ive tried a few different weather apps and they wont find my locaton without google location accuracy, but it is quite a battery hog
matty100147 said:
i have found a lot of apps will not use location unless google location accuracy is turned on, ive tried a few different weather apps and they wont find my locaton without google location accuracy, but it is quite a battery hog
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Yes, google maps is crippled without google location accuracy although Waze works fine without it. There are quite a few apps that are dependent on this accuracy setting whilst it's a great battery drainer. I have all location services disabled except for when the Waze is running in the background as a bixby routine.
amirage said:
Yes, google maps is crippled without google location accuracy although Waze works fine without it. There are quite a few apps that are dependent on this accuracy setting whilst it's a great battery drainer. I have all location services disabled except for when the Waze is running in the background as a bixby routine.
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It works without google location accuracy but you have to download maps or sections for offline use. If you don't have a map of the area you are looking to use navigation then it won't work accurately.