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I don't get it. Why does HTC make gingerbread available for some phones so quick and others (THUNDERBOLT) have to wait so dang long to get the official release? Are each of their phones that different and that complex that making a stable and bugfree version takes that much effort? It hurts to know HTC, Google, and Verizon can't get their act together faster. I still love all three companies though...yes i actually love google and verizon.
Anybody else have a rant to want to put down concerning the thunderbolt or gingerbread?
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I don't get it. Why does HTC make gingerbread available for some phones so quick and others (THUNDERBOLT) have to wait so dang long to get the official release? Are each of their phones that different and that complex that making a stable and bugfree version takes that much effort? It hurts to know HTC, Google, and Verizon can't get their act together faster. I still love all three companies though...yes i actually love google and verizon.
Anybody else have a rant to want to put down concerning the thunderbolt or gingerbread?
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Yes...Thunderbolt in particular seems to be a beast of a different color.
Although, I'm positive that isn't the entire reason they roll out slowly. OTAs that roll out must be majorly checked from every angle since one minor problem could force them to replace thousands of devices for free (since they are forced) not to mention the damage to their reputation, support, etc. Add on the stipulations carriers have and their customizations and time really adds up.
Well usually verizon takes forever to approved builds to.make sire they don't have bugs, EVO got a high update and they have to release another shortly after and the cost money, the dinc 2 got theirs cause it got an European brother and it had more time to be refine , and the thunderbolt who knows I just one sense 2.1 and no buggy update, as long as we get ice cream update in timely manner I'm good or if we get a nexus phone with LTE I'm swicthcing for sure
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I don't get why people complain when they have a stable build now or have the option to root? Why complain about what the others have?
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I don't get why people complain when they have a stable build now or have the option to root? Why complain about what the others have?
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It's human nature. Watch two monkeys, give one a banana, give the other nothing. Watch the second monkey's reaction.
Well, I for one would like to see a good leak or formal release of GB because the current leak sucks. Yeah, some devs have made some great headway in making it usable, but starting from a base that functions properly would bring a very novel thing to the Tbolt.... stability!
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I don't get it. Why does HTC make gingerbread available for some phones so quick and others (THUNDERBOLT) have to wait so dang long to get the official release? Are each of their phones that different and that complex that making a stable and bugfree version takes that much effort? It hurts to know HTC, Google, and Verizon can't get their act together faster. I still love all three companies though...yes i actually love google and verizon.
Anybody else have a rant to want to put down concerning the thunderbolt or gingerbread?
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Google really has nothing to do with this. They have already put out 2.3. It's now up to HTC to Sense it up and get the build to Verizon, and then up to Verizon to bloat the crap out of it, and then check for bugs.
akanatrix said:
It's human nature.
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yep, sure is. BUT!
akanatrix said:
Watch two monkeys, give one a banana, give the other nothing. Watch the second monkey's reaction.
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you used monkeys to make an example of "human nature"
/no flame
/just thought it was funny
/I lol'd
/no evolution argument
obededom said:
yep, sure is. BUT!
you used monkeys to make an example of "human nature"
/no flame
/just thought it was funny
/I lol'd
/no evolution argument
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As you said, no evolution talk. ^_^
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obededom said:
you used monkeys to make an example of "human nature"
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AH, crap, I wasn't the first to notice this!
Loved the irony and malaprop. Plus, everyone is a monkey when they go into the voting booth.
Could the wait for Gingerbread have something to do with the 4G radio?
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Could the wait for Gingerbread have something to do with the 4G radio?
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The complexity of having the 3G and 4G in separate chips might have something to do with it.
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The complexity of having the 3G and 4G in separate chips might have something to do with it.
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I doubt it the EVO 4G got their update already.and got froyo in no time when it came out and it has 2 radios too
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I doubt it the EVO 4G got their update already.and got froyo in no time when it came out and it has 2 radios too
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Can't compare wimax to lte. Wimax is basically just wifi on steroids and uses the same implimentation as normal wifi with a few modifications. LTE however is a whole new protocol that's totally different than anything previously on a verizon phone.
Gingerbread?
Yeah I'm getting pissed that they haven't released 2.3 for the tbolt yet. Also, apparently HTC isn't going to release the new Sense (3.0?) for any of their phones that are already out! wtf?! So i'm considering rooting my phone. ive heard you can get gingerbread and the new sense by doing so, however ive never rooted before. Any chance someone could clue me in if there are solid working versions of 2.3 and the new sense out there? is the rooting worth the risk? should i just wait untill the tbolt officially gets 2.3 to root for the new sense? any insight would be great!
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Yeah I'm getting pissed that they haven't released 2.3 for the tbolt yet. Also, apparently HTC isn't going to release the new Sense (3.0?) for any of their phones that are already out! wtf?! So i'm considering rooting my phone. ive heard you can get gingerbread and the new sense by doing so, however ive never rooted before. Any chance someone could clue me in if there are solid working versions of 2.3 and the new sense out there? is the rooting worth the risk? should i just wait untill the tbolt officially gets 2.3 to root for the new sense? any insight would be great!
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The "risk" is miniscule if you just read and follow directions
use my sticky http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168433 to figure out what you need.
Yeah, been wondering that myself?
I have my MoPho rooted but there are only 2 roms for it. If you go over and look at the Atrix developers forum they have a ton of support.
The phones are similar, why isn't there much rom development for the Photon as there is the Atrix.
Does anyone know if the Cyanogen Mod is going to be made to work for the photon?
before anyone else says it. GO LEARN HOW TO DEVELOP AND MAKE YOUR OWN ROM
just saving everyone the trouble. i dont really mean it lol
We got source last week and the devs disappeared we will have new roms real soon
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easier said than done. About 13yrs ago I was into development with computers and stuff but a LOT has changed since then. I wouldn't know where to start now days.
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easier said than done. About 13yrs ago I was into development with computers and stuff but a LOT has changed since then. I wouldn't know where to start now days.
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here you go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060199
[email protected] said:
here you go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060199
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Well that would be useful if I had time to learn everything and create roms myself.
the sgs2 for sprint was announced. this phone was horribly placed in terms of release dates. a lot of people jumped on the evo3d bandwagon, now the sgs2 is coming out soon and not too long after is the release of the new nexus.
once the epic touch is released expect these forums to die down a lot more... unless the et4g sucks... in which we might get a few more users
I heard the et4g kills baby kittens. Does that help?
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the sgs2 for sprint was announced. this phone was horribly placed in terms of release dates. a lot of people jumped on the evo3d bandwagon, now the sgs2 is coming out soon and not too long after is the release of the new nexus.
once the epic touch is released expect these forums to die down a lot more... unless the et4g sucks... in which we might get a few more users
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Shabby are you staying with us or leaving for the sgs2?
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i got my photon on the way, i have no interest in teh sgs2, the next phone i want is teh nexus prime
shabbypenguin said:
i got my photon on the way, i have no interest in teh sgs2, the next phone i want is teh nexus prime
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Do it up son!!
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I just got the Photon and am going to work on porting CyanogenMod to it... so expect that as an option when I finish it. Not sure how difficult it will be since this is my first Moto device.
This is the first phone that I was happy with out of the box. But with development, well at my age, its better than sex! Lol
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This is the first phone that I was happy with out of the box. But with development, well at my age, its better than sex! Lol
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mrinehart93 said:
I just got the Photon and am going to work on porting CyanogenMod to it... so expect that as an option when I finish it. Not sure how difficult it will be since this is my first Moto device.
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I'm out of thanks for the day, but you will get one soon enough from me I'm sure. That being said, how hard is 'porting' and what exactly does that mean? I think I get the idea but how is it done really?
I would love to learn how to do this. I am slowly getting into theming a little, but am no where close to releasing anything yet, first off I am a perfectionist and second I am just learning the basics now.
Would love to start reading up on the whole porting aspect of stuff.
/end hijack....sorry!
-DJ
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I'm out of thanks for the day, but you will get one soon enough from me I'm sure. That being said, how hard is 'porting' and what exactly does that mean? I think I get the idea but how is it done really?
I would love to learn how to do this. I am slowly getting into theming a little, but am no where close to releasing anything yet, first off I am a perfectionist and second I am just learning the basics now.
Would love to start reading up on the whole porting aspect of stuff.
/end hijack....sorry!
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Porting is basically making the proper changes for the rom/kernel/theme to be compatible with another device. Just do a Google search and you can find other threads talking about it.
If you don't have any code experience it will be tough going to learn. If you are already trying to learn how to theme than this is good place to start because knowing the directory structure and where things are located will help.
shabbypenguin said:
i got my photon on the way, i have no interest in teh sgs2, the next phone i want is teh nexus prime
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Yeah I do too, but I'm not going back to big red. I think that it's a Verizon exclusive so far.
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no the tech sites need to read between the lines. was there a nexus being shown off around big v's hq? yea.. wanna guess why? because out of the top four carriers in teh us they are the only ones without a nexus device..
there are rumors of verizon getting a droid prime which if thats the case yet again they will be without a nexus device (cant call it something else) my guess is because they want the hardware but their carrier bloat crap on it
The photon is an awsome phone and with tegra 2 thd games it beats my gfs evo shift hands down. I tried the evo3d and wasnt impressed. Its really buggy and likes to get stuck in 3d mode. The sales rep even told me to go with the photon which was cheaper meaning less commissions. She had came from doing repairs to sales and she said the evo3d was a waste of money and told me all the horror stories they were having at the repair center with them.
I know sprint has some phones comimg out soon that are going to be better but work with what we have first.
I found my old htc tilt and it still has more dev than the photon.
Im someone who isnt all about games. I like preformance, battery life and apps to make my day more productive.
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I think a lot of Sprint customers were like me... the MoPho came out, we yawned, and had zero interest in it regardless of specs because it was Motorola... and we all knew Motorola was the essence of pure toxic TiVO-ized evil in AT&T/Verizon-land. They encrypted their bootloaders in ways that couldn't be trivially cracked, and bent over backwards to lock down everything they could.
Then Google bought Motorola, the sun came out, the birds started singing, the sourcecode got released, and suddenly the MoPho became interesting.
As some of you may have came across one of my what to do threads ( coming from sprint to Verizon threads ) I was debating between the GNEX and the Rezound. My fiance went with the Razr.
From reading more and more I went with the GNEX, but after looking into the GNEX more and more its seems like a bad move. I went thru amazon wireless so I have 30 days to return the phone if I dont like it. I'll get the GNEX a run and see where she is at. If shes no good, I'll get the rezound. I went with the GNEX because I love AOSP, and dislike Sense.
But my main concern is no S-Off and that can make it or break it for a lot of things. My main thing is if I ever get a brick, it makes it that much harder to recover if at all amongst other things. I can adapt to flashing kernels a certain way no problem.
Long story short, there are a few S-off rezounds out there and even someone selling one now. If we can get that and reverse engineer it, then we have s-off right? Will it ever come?
I'm totally over it now. I've just gotten used to the limitations of S-ON, and it doesn't bother me one bit anymore. I can still do everything I need to do..
IMO it's about as likely as us getting aosp at this point. not alot of interest as i think most of the devs and users are comfortable with what we currently have. not saying we will "never" get s-off but as of now it doesn't look likely.
if this really concerns you, your best bet is to get the gnexus. i have heard miui may almost be ready so we could use the RIL from that for cm9 but we only have one dev working on cm9 and it seems to be more of a part time project from what i understand.
I'd personally bet this phone will never see s-off.
the ppl who can make it possible, for some reason do not like our community (from what I hear)
also, we have htc unlock, so they have about 0 enthusiasm to give us s-off as we already have root.
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I'd personally bet this phone will never see s-off.
the ppl who can make it possible, for some reason do not like our community (from what I hear)
also, we have htc unlock, so they have about 0 enthusiasm to give us s-off as we already have root.
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alot of those devs went to the gneuxs too. the only sort of complaint i have is no aosp options. everything is sense based which is fine for some but it never hurts to have some choice.
Yeah, it's not looking good for s-off.
The good news is that we still have several ROMs and kernels to play with anyway. Enjoy!
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I'd personally bet this phone will never see s-off.
the ppl who can make it possible, for some reason do not like our community (from what I hear)
also, we have htc unlock, so they have about 0 enthusiasm to give us s-off as we already have root.
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Why don't they like us!? What did we do to them!?!? ; ;
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Why don't they like us!? What did we do to them!?!? ; ;
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We weren't the "premier" device to go with.
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We weren't the "premier" device to go with.
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And what was? The nexus? lol bug city
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And what was? The nexus? lol bug city
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Well, i am not denying that, but yeah, the buggy phone still is the premiere device (even though our salesman was adamant that we DO NOT buy it, because of the bugs).
No s-off for us we might get lucky in the future but I wouldn't depend on it
Htc's devunlock has screwed us basically due to the fact that it gives developers less incentive to get us s-off
And most of use (including me) are happy with this
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Htc's devunlock has screwed us basically due to the fact that it gives developers less incentive to get us s-off
And most of use (including me) are happy with this
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That was probably HTC's intention all along. Less chances of bricking and replacements.
No, Nein, ii eh zen zen, Nyet .
If so many people want it but the devs dont wanna give it.. Why? Isnt s-off THAT much safer? Allows more ease etc etc.
If the rezound had s-off and launched with ICS It would of been alot more popular, especially for the devs.
true, but why not still strive for it? I understand why they dont but why woudnt they? Guessing by the comment people saying its not the premier device etc etc ...so then based on that then guessing there isnt many good devs for these device?
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true, but why not still strive for it? I understand why they dont but why woudnt they? Guessing by the comment people saying its not the premier device etc etc ...so then based on that then guessing there isnt many good devs for these device?
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The rezound spec wise blows the gnexus away. Yes we have "good devs" but most of them are only interested in sense. As of now there is no aosp options. The devs who are "fluent" with cracking hboots "soff" are all on the gnexus.
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If so many people want it but the devs dont wanna give it.. Why? Isnt s-off THAT much safer? Allows more ease etc etc.
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Give? Kind of an understatement.
It takes a ton of work to "try" to break into a device to gain S-OFF... It's not an easy task and many times takes many people trying different tactics over a long period of time (like months) to accomplish if they are even successful then.
yeah I dont know whats into getting S-off I didnt mean GIVE like it was a 10 min process.. but people are always saying th devs dont want us to give it to us. AS in spend the time to crack it. Long story short. thanks haha
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yeah I dont know whats into getting S-off I didnt mean GIVE like it was a 10 min process.. but people are always saying th devs dont want us to give it to us. AS in spend the time to crack it. Long story short. thanks haha
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De-sensed ROMs will get very (VERY) close to AOSP
(like this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507670
And the Rezound is a better phone in my opinion.
After having several Samsungs, I couldn't go back.
Here were some of my inhibitions to getting the GNEX (and why I didn't get it -- independent of being a lover of HTC phones and build quality)
1) No data and voice at the same time unless you're on 4g. I use 3g all of the time to save battery (I use it VERy extensively for work and need constant - but not always super high bandwidth - internet)
2) Weaker/poor antennas (way lower reception than Rezound, way weaker GPS antenna - although it probably does stay awake when the screen is off on GNEX)
3) Did I mention that it's a Samsung?
The only things that I WISH I had from the GNEX are NFC (to use Google Wallet - that **** is the FUTURE) and maybe the massive display (which has the bottom portion if it wasted with virtual buttons anyway - so it's not as 'big' as it says it is).
I also, however, am a Sense lover. So much so that if I go on AOSP ROMs on my phones (like Eris and Incredible and others), I wind up going to Sense after several days or weeks. I can't stand how POORLY refind AOSP is, how LESS smooth it is (yes, I said it.... Choppier and LESS smooth than sense, despite the file sizes), and I miss all of the Sense Apps.
The Sense dialer is unparalleled. Some 3rd party apps come close but.... nothing is Sense.
Swiping screens feels much more natural on Sense than ANY other launcher, save the iOS devices. I remember having an Incredible next to a Droid X (rooted/overclocked droid X) and laughing at how CHOPPY swiping screens and moving the app drawer was with the X versus how SMOOTH it was with the Incredible. iPhone users laugh at how un-smooth AOSP is.
The GNEX is a lot faster than other AOSP phones and is quite a bit smoother. So I give it that. But It's a Samsung. I can't go back to that dark place.
I have noticed that the Rezound ROMs were coming out fast and furious, new ROMs, updates and improvements on an almost daily basis. And then 2 or 3 weeks ago it just stopped. Lots of active threads in the Dev section, but nothing really new has come out?
Are devs waiting for the OTA, which won't be here for another few months, or has the Rezound just run its course and the new phones that are coming out are taking the lead and Dev time now?
The Rezound is great, but lets face it, it is now second tier as their replacements are already out, and they won't official get ICS till July or August, making them even less desirable to Devs to spend time on a phone that will likely stop being sold before too long?
My fear is that the Rezound will take too long to get ICS OTA and source code released, and by the time it is, the phone will be on its way out the door, there are newer better phones out that Devs will feel it is better to spend their time on, etc...
Thoughts?
Hasn't stopped. I know Scott's working on a one x rom, Newt just released an update and Joelz is rebasing his rom which should be awesome.
I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
well there's great significance when it comes to updating immediately to the newest leaks, after that period it's back to timed updates and changes
new phones will slowly kill, but it's not that development slowed down, there just hasn't been any trigger for another immediate and curt developmental spike
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
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I still see some activities going on in the Inc development forums, so I'd say yes
The Rezound is a great phone with a great Dev community and in my opinion still has plenty of life left in it.
We had 3 leaks in a matter of a month. Nothing lately so nothing much to update.
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
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Yeah, of course. Dude, this thing is barely more than 6 months old!
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I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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protekk fixed ril if u really have something in the works and ril is holding u up hit him up on twitter @protekkfzs
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Development is still going pretty hard behind the scenes, I don't see it dropping off for a few months at least. The devs are still working just as hard as they ever have, its just that people seem to complain a lot about wiping and reflashing every few days, and as roms progress the updates are fewer and further between. There's also a lot that goes on behind the scenes that isnt posted on the forums, in the last couple of weeks, last three weeks I guess, I think the biggest advances and accomplishments on the rezound yet have happened, in my opinion. Most of which hasn't been posted yet because they're tieing up loose ends.
I do think you're right about the fact that a lot of us will be moving on to New devices shortly after kernel source is released, when a quad core beast hits Verizon with super specs, something probably the next step above the one s and one x.
But I think we havent begun to see this phone's potential yet and with another leak or OTA and kernel source its really going to be a beast. I could see it having a pretty long lifespan kinda like the OG Droid. A lot of us will probably buy new hardware eventually that may take time to get rooted and s off and this phone will be capable enough to feed our custom rom and kernel addictions until the new phones we get are exploited.
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I'm also thinking that if Newt was asked to remove the tweaks from his ROM because "there were too many similar ROMs", perhaps the same was asked of Bored which would personally p!ss me off. Who cares if some ROMs are very similar, they all have little differences.
If that's really the case, maybe Scott was asked the same. After all, CleanROM, CleanROM Pro and CleanROM DE are all the same but with more stuff removed.
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protekk fixed ril if u really have something in the works and ril is holding u up hit him up on twitter @protekkfzs
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I've seen no evidence of a fully working RIL...everything is "we're close."
Wow. IMO this phone is just too darn good to waste my money on a retail upgrade (and marginal one at that).
I came from the D1 and within months I was constantly flashing roms and tweaking trying to whip a few extra ponies into it.
Otherwise, in 5 months with the Rezound I've flashed 2-3 times and just s-off'd this weekend. I've had basically no issues and it's nice not to have to babysit my phone to get it to run the way I want it to. Just rock solid, and the development is great.
I can appreciate that everyone is looking for something different, but myself I just need a couple of good roms and I'm set.
Not gonna lie, if in another month or two, we don't have anything new, this phone is getting traded out.
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Not gonna lie, if in another month or two, we don't have anything new, this phone is getting traded out.
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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He does have a point. Look at our roms. Mostly all the same minus themes, same tweaks all across the board. Whats different? What stands out ? .
Im not flaming any devs or saying they should do more, they do a fine job actually. But its true. We lack true options. Sense 4 yes, its different and good but still needs working. Aosp is still being worked on and no one knows if itll get to work in the end or not.
I see newer phones dev section, say the one s, there flying with tons of roms, aosp. And im sure kernel dev will rise once source is out.
I know ril is our problem, but still. You cant fault someone esle giving up, nobody expected us tobe just stuck with sense. I know i didnt, but ill deal with it in the meantime
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Using a bolt ATM that I thought would never get any good ROMS, well its got as many options as any phone out there. Pretty much all HTC phones due to the boot loader if nothing else are going to have good dev sections. If u wanna see a sad dev section check out all moto phones with exception of the atrix and that is only BC they found a unloclable BL or something of that sort in a leak.
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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I'm just saying if development just stalls then I might leave this phone, I do want a popular dev'ed phone without it being the GNex.
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I've seen no evidence of a fully working RIL...everything is "we're close."
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Protekk or dmeadows posted on twitter that the RIL was complete but they were working on the firmware to match it, and that was the hold up.
This is absolutely RIDICULOUS, we have been waiting for an entire month for the 1.22 source code but the galaxy note 10.1 has source already AND THE DEVICE DOESN'T COME OUT FOR A FEW MORE WEEKS!!!!! IS IT REALLY THAT HARD FOR HTC TO UPLOAD A 100MB FILE FOR USE TO USE??? It bugs the hell out of me just how little HTC cares about releasing this stuff...
Souce link: http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...te-10-1-kernel-source-weeks-ahead-of-release/
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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exactly! and ive been tempted to get samsung phones after seeing the s2 and s3 but with all the word about their phones being kinda shotty when it comes to build quality i always end up staying htc... its a vicious circle where you can't win
Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
this is the last htc phone im getting
ca1ne said:
Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
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or they will release it as soon as they update us to the new update the the one x got
flex360 said:
this is the last htc phone im getting
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i think im going to have to join you on this
This is my first HTC phone... I come from mostly samsung. I will not be getting another htc until they step us... The phone build quality is great but all my phones live in otter cases so that does not matter....
I think I'm going to nexus next.... I like flashing to much for this crap...
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I agree. Really frustrating!
Every time I pose the question on their Facebook it gets deleted almost immediately.
I really don't understand what is going on with HTC these days. They used to be much more responsive to this kind of stuff.
I'm just not sure what to do about it.
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upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d).
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I'm pretty sure that the heavy delay on the ics upgrade for the EVO 3d was on sprints end...especially since the virgin mobile variant received its upgrade quite a bit sooner...but I do wish they'd release source sooner it is annoying but hey I love their devices so I'll stick it out for a while and see if things get better lol
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I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
I will never go Samsung
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dougm0 said:
I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
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Agreed gps can be a bear with Samsung. Also in almost every modem update its like the first modem they did ever. Better connection, lower battery. Next version bad connection, good battery, rinse, repeat.
Oh and as I have said before. Still waiting on evo 4g 4.67 ota kernel source. Well over gpl time. Now they don't even respond to my requests, at least they used to, until I advised them of the dates... And I'm sorry, 5.07 ota, doesn't qualify as reseting the clock,.
There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
I'd rather put my nuts in a vice than buy a Samsung phone. We have custom kernels that work with the latest ota anyway. HTC for life!
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There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
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no i bought this phone because i had the original evo 4g and loved it more than any other phone, then when i saw this phone i knew i had to get it. i love this phones build quality and the hardware in it but its b.s. that htc will not release source. i don't even care about aosp since sense 4 actually seems like something useful and not crazy bloated like sense 2.0+ i just want some kernels to run on sense so we can get some proper fixings going on instead of modifying the hell out of the old base's source and using every work around in the book to get them to function properly. not to say that the kernels we are starting to see are bad. and the saying "oh should have got a nexus" is bullsh*t if i wanted one i would have got one, but instead i wanted the evo lte and its more up to date and better hardware. if i wanted an already outdated phone i would have just stuck with my original evo. the point is, no matter what phone you buy you SHOULD be able to do what you want with it and you SHOULD be givin the proper code to do it with. and since htc is failing to do this, it is the reason there is a new thread every week complaining about it and they have a damn good reason to do so because this is ridiculous. so if you don't like the threads then tough sh*t because your going to keep seeing them till it drops and it will happen again with the next update. get used to it
Edit: and you can't honestly sit there and say that this isn't completely unnecessary. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SOURCE READY, all they have to do is upload it within a day or 2 of an ota like samsung and people would be happy. and what do they have to lose by releasing it? they already got our money when we bought the phone so what do they care what we do with it?
now lets stop this here, we don't need another thread of keyboard warriors
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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Yeah, that^.
PsiPhiDan said:
ms:
People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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I agree with you for the most part.
What I disagree on is Sense NOT being toned down and less obtrusive. Sense 4.0 is much better than Sense 3.0 was. It's much smoother, it looks better, and keeps the functionality it needs while not being too bloated like previous versions of Sense were.
What drags the Sense experience down is the memory management, which is lacking. I would argue that is less of an issue with Sense and more of an issue of optimization of memory. I for one never had Sense reloads when I was stock, but then again I was never running a ton of apps at once. All HTC has to do is make the memory management less aggressive and we wouldn't have nearly as many problems.
Sense DOES utilize this phone's hardware very well, and you can see that in how smooth everything is. We just need that memory management worked on. If we had more RAM in the phone it would be PERFECT.
I still don't understand the RAM argument. We aren't even that close to maxing our RAM, so why do we need more? I've been told by people much more informed than me about Android that it utilizes RAM differently than Windows, so 100MB free is no different than 1.1 GB free. I agree with you that the memory management is at fault here, but I think that's the end of the story.
Edit: TouchWiz is much smoother than Sense, and many people had many Sense reloads while stock... I'm not sure I care for Sense 4.0 much more than I did 3.0, especially considering the fake multi-tasking.
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okay guys heres a thought....how about instead of turning on each other, and starting the talk of "ill never own an HTC again" crap, you do something productive and start a movement against HTC proactively to be loud about them being lazy on releasing source code?....Leaving HTC isn't going to fix the issue at hand, as they wont see the effect in their sales #'s by the few in the dev community leaving to make them give a F....What they will do is react to a giant community outcry over a pressing issue on slow source release! They did it with the locked bootloaders so another push for source might make them change their ways...
Just saying, threads saying "this is my last htc device b/c they are slow are releasing source..." are silly and pointless....
Do something to make a change and start a vocal complaint movement instead of just sitting here and complaining/whining about it on xda!