Confused on newtoroot closure

Confused on newtoroot closure - HTC Rezound

I'm confused why this Rom was closed my understanding is that the tools are custom written for this Rom and don't understand how these are similar to any Rom on the rezound. Was it just that credit wasnt given? I'm sad to see this happen as newtoroot and hawknest roms were some of the best for the rezound. I hope those threads get reopened because they greatly improved this phone.
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I am too as Team Venom hasnt had an update in months and Newt has had CD ST in every release....

No disrespect to the other devs, but Newt WAS the first and ONLY one to figure out the RIL and Sense 4 for this device. If it wasn't for Newt, the others wouldn't have Sense 4. But I'm just saying what I've read here and there throughout the forums over time. I have not flashed his latest release, so I do not know what this CD Tools Suite thing is.
I just think this whole thing is ridiculous. one little tweak app without permission and they all go crazy. oh well. I never liked viper anyways. their 'dev' that promotes it in this section was always starting something. this is my opinion, remove if you want.

From the TeamVenom thread, the investigation is about whether CoreDroid tools is a kang, not Newt's ROM itself. But since the ROM uses the Coredroid tools, it is impacted.

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From the TeamVenom thread, the investigation is about whether CoreDroid tools is a kang, not Newt's ROM itself. But since the ROM uses the Coredroid tools, it is impacted.
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Whatever happened to Android being open source? or maybe I'm missing something here?

problem is you got some whinny developers who havent released anything in months, who like to stir up ****. Sucks that Admins here play along with it. I am trying to find the correlation between venoms tweaks and CD, there is some similarities, but nothing that any other tweak program has not done. Even the coding is different. Just a BS power play, and all it does is hurt this site as devs pull their stuff over it...

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problem is you got some whinny developers who havent released anything in months, who like to stir up ****. Sucks that Admins here play along with it. I am trying to find the correlation between venoms tweaks and CD, there is some similarities, but nothing that any other tweak program has not done. Even the coding is different. Just a BS power play, and all it does is hurt this site as devs pull their stuff over it...
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Agreed, open source means open source. People don't kang because of respect, but it's not a friggin law.
It's known in coding to piggy back existing code and not re invent the wheel every time.. that's the right thing to do. What's he supposed to do? Code a tweaks app that does the same things as core droid and expect the code to look different?
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No offense, and I love how the devs take their time to treat us with all this candy, but Venom has nothing on Newt's work, who has made I think for releases in the time Venom has been dormant. Also, what is this, Apple? OPEN SOURCE!! Just coz they're similar does not mean an idea was ripped off. It's like Samsung suing HTC for having capacitive buttons!!!
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]No offense, and I love how the devs take their time to treat us with all this candy, but Venom has nothing on Newt's work, who has made I think four releases in the time Venom has been dormant. Also, what is this, Apple? OPEN SOURCE!! Just coz they're similar does not mean an idea was ripped off. It's like Samsung suing HTC for having capacitive buttons!!!

Newt can still build his rom and use the apps that wants, and he's going to. It just want be posted here. And he wasn't the only one affected, the other roms running suite tools were too. However hawknest had the new revised code in his rom because he used the new app, and supposedly that was written to do away with the problematic code. I'm sure there's some similar situations other developers are facing. It's tough for all involved that's for sure.

Well I was never a flashaholic but thanks to Newt and Snuzzo I am completely happy with my Rezound. I can sit back patiently and wait for JB.
But sorry to hear of this development. Can't say I understand the implications.

While I respect the hard work all the devs put into delivering us with great options to keep our phone awesome, there is some seriously faulty logic at play here. Android is meant to be open source. If you dev for Android you should first accept that fundamental rule of the community. We get better by working together. Hissy fits and fingerpointing only hurts ALL development and innovation. Nearly all code is built on something already out there, even if just an idea on how to improve something. And the most honest truth...anyone developing a Sense ROM has in essence "kanged" HTC's work. So the moral to the story is grow up; and remember folks, sharing is caring.
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Xda exists purely because devs are able to many the work of HTC,Motorola, Samsung, Google etc. To pick and choose who gets to move forward here is a joke at best.
You want to lock down intellectual property then file for patents and protect your property..
Otherwise don't post it on a forum that exists purely because of other companies software. I don't see htc, Samsung, Motorola asking for threads to be closed.
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I have used Newts roms in the past and have found that he is a quality developer. With all due respect, I am sorely disappointed in the actions of the mods in their action today. I will follow Newt over at "the other forum".
Jackie

At least those whiny little b*stards gave me a reason to gtfo of xda for awhile. I love most of the people here and all the info but it's stuff like this that ruins it.
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Thread Closed, it was removed not because Newt had done anything, but because the team the team that made the thing he uses was taken from Team Venom.

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[Q] Is it a ROM or is it a theme?

I've got thick skin so feel free to throw things.
Watching the forum over the last month I've seen a proliferation of ROMs to the point that I've stopped updating - also partly because my favorite and second favorite teams have stopped putting out new versions. I finally succumbed to the burning urge to try another ROM last night but ended up with buyers "meh."
The ROM environment has become so fragmented that it's hard to know what the advantage of ROM a is over ROM b other than appearance.
A comment from one of the ROM makers brought the problem into sharp focus. "I've renamed my ROM because I didn't know one of my team members already had a ROM named X."
How can you be part of a "team" and not know what's being produced by that team?
It seems like we've got more themers producing work in the form of full ROMs rather than themes. I've got nothing against themers, I love packages that can completely change the look of my device and I'm always on the lookout for cool new themes.
I'd rather see ROM maintainers and themers working together where the former group produces faster and more reliable ROMs while the latter group produces mods for those ROMs.
Do the two groups just not want to work closely together or are there predominantly just mostly lone wolves working at the ROM/theme level in Android?

Wrong section. Suppose to go in q&a (QUESTIONS and answers)
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I disagree because it's directly applicable to development and is aimed at the developers. It's not a general q/a question

I agree with this. There's no need to make a "rom" if you just change the theme. Just make a theme and zip it up then post it in the themes section. And oh yea I believe people refer to these people as "winzippers".
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OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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I agree with Br1cK'd. There are a lot of "devs" lately that seem to be kanging together half broken ROM's. I can't tell you how often lately I've flashed something only to find major bugs, when the OP claims that the ROM is 100 percent working and bug free. It seems that most of the more skilled developers have moved on to newer devices. I'm all for people learning but they need to do a lot of quality control before they post their work on XDA.

are you tryna say my team member ferhanmm that did an error ? whats up with you son?>

But then... what actually constitutes a "Rom".
For as far as I know, according to CM6/7/Miui people, only theirs are truly "Roms", as they are built from ground up.
Everything else is just a themed stock Rom, or improvements to existing Sammy framework. (Which I still love btw)
If there were malicious Roms that are purposely bricking systems, then I would argue for stricter requirements for releases. But as it stands, I think the openness of this forum allows users and developers alike to find what makes them happy.
I just think in general, Rom devs/maintainers get more credit (Thanks button hits?) than purely themers. As there is a feeling that themers kind of "work for" Rom Devs... Which is why people tend to package their work as Roms instead of themes (So their work seems less derivative or what not)

Wrong section, but I agree.
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Br1cK'd said:
OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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first of all about the logcat ? did you learn alone ? i guess that if someone ask you, its nno bad to help is it ? because i bet some one showed you...now about the kang, so almost every rom here is a kang right ? almost all roms based on stocks from i9000s and stocks kb1`s isnt it ?... i guess this people have the right to learn, but seems you guys that already know a little dont like to help huh?

I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.

I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.

I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.

jimmynguyen91 said:
I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid

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I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
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I did my first root about two month ago. Since then I have tried about 20 various roms or updates to them. I tried one last week that seemed to be a copy from an established developer. The other team got really pissy and used alot of immature slang when confronted. I will no longer use any roms from them. I agree that people should learn from the ground up before posting roms and stop the plagiarism.
I appreciate the hard work of the legitimate developers on this site.
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I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
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dont pay attentionn to this ppl fer.. day just stupids ... look at thhe quote i made above.. its just stupid, they want us to redo the same **** that is already made... for example.. whats the need to do a gps fix when jellette made one already ? its just stupid

them may be half a$$ed devs but them gotta have donate button

Bosina & Br1cK'd, first, thanks for your input and participation but this thread isn't about helping or not. It's about packing up thematic changes and publishing them as a ROM rather than a theme bundle.
If a group of members wants to debate about newbies not giving as much as they get, please start a new thread.

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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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this dude ha ha shut up im trying to read and your comments are unnecessary and full of hate and You act like You are a Big Time developer who dont take s**t from anyone , go smoke something and relax , i dont see Team Whisky complain or Eugene, just You big time savior .
But if the teams join there will be more people to split the donation money between so maybe thats why people stay separate ?

[Possible Mod] Android-Adding Bluetooth Profile

Right now I have been reading up on talk about future integration of a HID profile that would allow for HID devices like keyboards, mice, game controllers ect to connect to android.
I have found a possible source that makes it seem possible to integrate into the roms. If cyanogenmod can integrate this into their rom, why wouldn't it be possible with the current roms.
I for the most part understand what needs to done and what is involved but with no knowledge on how to go about doing it.
Can this be done?....
http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Android-Adding_Bluetooth_Profile
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1. We should probably wait for a solid AOSP ROM before we start worrying about adding in something like Bluetooth profiles.
2. When you don't actually know anything about creating a mod (just repeating what you've said in your post, not trying to be offensive) that you post in the dev section, it really shouldn't go here. I would have suggested General, it's fairly active, and you'll probably get a better response.
3. More than even posting it in general, you'd probably get the most productive response if you PMed a CM maintainer, or tweeted to Toast's Twitter or something more direct.

Ahem,
It appears that I AM a moderator, and i dont care for petty squabbling, i mean, come on guys knock it off.
As this is a possible mod, im moving this thread and cleaning it up.
Please behave guys!

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Ahem,
It appears that I AM a moderator, and i dont care for petty squabbling, i mean, come on guys knock it off.
As this is a possible mod, im moving this thread and cleaning it up.
Please behave guys!
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My bad. Have my ****s and grins now and then. Crappy work day that day.
Anyway. It looks like that incorporating a new stack in a sense rom Is pretty darn difficult. Since the hid profile Needed is stripped.
As I understand it a new stack would have to be made and modified. To work with sense.
Where as aosp its already included through Android and thats just ported to work with our phones. But maybe a new Bluetooth stack can be ported to a sense ROM someday.
But keep it open, maybe a skilled dev Can crank it out someday.
I'm going to contact toast or maybe a dev on the cyanogen team and maybe they can educate me a little if this can be done on sense or not
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Since this is such a large project it might be worth it to try to get devs together from all the various htc phones. If it could be done it would benefit all of the htc phones. As far as I know there is no advantage to using HTC's bluetooth vs aosp.

Off topic

Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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None of my work counts as development so copypasta porting doesn't count. If it does, then what I did with the deblur/debloat script should count as a universal ROM for moto android devices.

I've heard people complain about copy and paste devs for a long time. Had alot of drama over it when I had the epic. Bottom line is it still takes know how. You have to know what and where to copy. And it still takes a lot of time. And some of the best roms I've used were from so called copy and paste devs. As long as they give credit to where it came from. Most devs learn from looking at what someone else has done anyway. Bottom line the more roms and devs the better. I appreciate your work here, but I see nothing good coming from a thread like this. No affense.My 2 cents.
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now I'm in no way crying but,.....what's the deal bud.....we do alot more than copy paste my friend every rom I do gets smali edits, I have to decompile/recompile several jars in different builds **** in gummy I have to edit the entire framework.jar just to get market working.....is it built from source, no, do I work hard on it without a doubt yes, i can't understand why you needed to open a thread to try to debunk my work..... reason I say my work .... I worked on miui, bill does it now, and does a pretty damn good job of it too..and you think its only copy paste getting miui working.....lol....that one is a beast of its own...takes several several changes to get our to just freaking boot.....I'm working on 4 ics based on the photon and 4 for the atrix.......and for both phones requires several edits ..... i mean seriously all we're doing is allowing more choices more options more roms..... I think you have a very wrong idea of what actually is done on these roms.....**** if it were only as easy as copy paste ....don't ya think we'd have had more of these roms sooner and made by different people, only reason miui got here is yepitsme gave up I picked up slack and took of with it then handed her off to bill.....so again I say whats the deal bud....should be happy our aging phone is seeing so much activity....now I do apologize if I have went out of line here but I couldn't help but feel a, little attacked here directly....and by two of the guys I freaking looked up to on here....all I can say is wow I guess I should just close my threads then since porting doesn't count..... and to say don't cry and tell you it took hours cause there are guides............who made the thread in the first place and the purpose of it is?? I'm in no way crying but not going to be called out like this and not respond, which your a very smart guy so I know that you knew exactly what would happen in opening a thread like this....sometimes it does take hours copy/paste you have no clue.....every new cm9 joker puts out we have to flash each lib one at a time to se e which one isn't playing nice,.but thats just copy pasting isn't it, edits to the build prop, updater script.....smali edits to numerous files, jars,apks....but thats just copy paste too I guess.....or maybe its how at times we flash each rom several times and troubleshoot each issue everyone has not just release and say nothing....but thats just pasting too....you really have no clue maybe should read a couple of those guides you are reffering to cause even in them they tell you this isn't all you have to do...**** some of them even say I can only point to what might work not that this guide works for every phone no matter what...
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I see points for either side of the coin but a discussion like this will not be good for the Photon forum. To have developers/contributors against themselves is exactly what has happened in other threads and it never ends up a positive for anyone. I feel there is a place for all kinds of work as long as no work is being stolen and credit is being given. It allows for more options and benefits us all. We could all debate this further but I think we know where this would be heading.

So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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RockoDev said:
Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Let me set the record straight:
FIRST AND FOREMOST: I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A DEVELOPER.
SECOND: MIUI is NOT just cut and paste. If I had SOURCE for it, I would BUILD it SOURCE. As MIUI has NOT released it, I CANNOT do that. I DO PORT it, and I label it as such. But, to act like all I do is cut and paste, you're way off base.
1) I have to edit the framework files just to get it to fully boot with service/data, and the options that the users of my build have grown accustomed to. I have to test libs each time that Joker releases a new CM9, as not all are compatible.
2) I have to test libs with each MIUI release, as they often build with ARM7b, which is NOT compatible with our beloved Tegra 2 processor.
3) I then make 2 versions (Aroma based and CWM flash).
4) I credit everyone whose work I used to do what I do. That being said, if I port something, you're darn right I should get credit for the work I do.
5) The reson SO MANY (2) MIUI threads have popped up is that Spleef initially started the ports. At a point in late March, I took over doing the ports and he took to other roms. I have been asked recently by MIUI.us to start a separate thread so that I can keep the OP up to date and standardize it to the format that they wanted.
Now, on to my other CONTRIBUTIONS:
1) Fixes thread-yes, may be slightly out of date, but it's helped a LOT of people
2) How-tos thread-sure...I need to add more to it and plan to when I get the time.
3) Anyone here like Kitchen Sink? I ask as Joker and I have spent HOURS working together on that rom getting it to where it is. Not to mention if you use version 2.11, then you're using something I assembled, as it was done while Joker was on away on Vacation.
4) I am usually found on ALL the Photon/Atrix threads helping people with their issues ranging from flashing issues to data issues, etc.
5) Check out how many ROMs I've helped on.
Another thing, I don't have the title Developer...and didn't apply for it. I am a Contributor. I CAREFULLY examined the criteria for each and decided that I would apply for being a Contributor as I DON'T at this time do SOURCE work.
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
I would personally LOVE to have the opportunity to talk to ANY of the DEVS you cite as having an issue with the fact that I port MIUI.

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So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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your absolutely right anyone can do this it just takes some patience and a little knowledge....we give credit, thanks, and links to every rom we port over..... I'm guilty of forgetting things in roms. I know I am, sometimes things get forgotten or ill use the wrong damn file...lol.....I'm not taking shots or trying to start no crap but I woke up this morning to this thread and couldn't believe what I was reading.... I mean hell rocko rom was jokers originally and look at it now, we all start some where, true I don't do source right now.......but thats not to say I never will I've had joker trying to teach me for a while now but we live our lives so time is short
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
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Not sure who did that...we had an issue with SU in MIUI on one build due to incompatibility with MIUI and the 0.6.whatever SU xbin

Th3Bill; said:
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
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I'm not trying to pick any sides in this because I like both of your work, but damn he got you.
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shabbypenguin said:
......reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P )........
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Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?

I think, this thread is something, that shouldn't be here. It's all about choices. I don't like the ROMs of all devs here, so I made my own. But I am still glad they are here. And I appreciate their work.

Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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bricky23 said:
Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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AMEN!

A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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willysp said:
Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
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lol was just poking fun at ya man hence the

jokersax11 said:
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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Can I get an AMEN
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shabbypenguin said:
Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
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No!!!!! I am not have never claimed to be.....
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To those that may be offended by my position let me clarify. I was on the Evo for the first price drop. A ton of ROMs suddenly appeared that were no more than a font or color change by folks claiming to be devs. To me, simple edits like that are not development or ROMs. I've seen the same with themes, swap a font and call yourself a dev. There are script releases by "devs" that all that was done was change the device name or partition location. To me none of that stuff counts as honest development.
Another example is ROMs from the JoyOS port guides. Copypasta and a couple build.prop edits and look you have JoyOS. That in itself is not development to me. Now if you have to go through and do framework/smali edits to get it to work, that's a whole different story. That requires know how, skill and time.
spleef, Th3Bill and others, I'm sorry if you took my previous post personally. I consider you guys a dev and your work is well beyond anything I have released. Digging around in the code to get things to work is not easy. There are many with contributor titles really should read developer. (again, in thinking about it I really am not one of them). I was also speaking about android as a whole and not specifically the photon forum.
jokersax11 said:
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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I can't speak for others but I agree with you on this only to a point. It goes back to the first paragraph in this post. To me, a font change or other very minor changes isn't development. I'm speaking in general however. When it comes to the Photon specifically, there's a lot of actual deving being done and folks that are very deserving of dev status (again, I am not placing myself in that category).
To All,
A lot of crap has happened to me personally over the past couple months. My attitude is lousy at best and I think it time I walk away for awhile. If I have offended I am sorry. Feel free to grab any of my work and run with it. I also have the following unfinished projects up for grabs;
2.3.5 sudo-Blur ROM with root ODEXed and De-ODEXed built straight from the 2.3.5 leak. (USB is intermittent but not sure if its the phone or the ROM)
webtop+ 2.3.5 leak (missing apps)
Copypasta JoyOS port (never connects to service)

Think we can get aosp now?

exactly like the op says, now that we have s-off, do you guys think we will get official aosp support sice some devs arent really willing to deal with s-on? im not requesting. i'm just interested in what others think

My question is what does the one have to do with the other? Or put it this way what does S-Off have to do with AOSP? just wondering, thanks.

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exactly like the op says, now that we have s-off, do you guys think we can get official aosp support soon? im not requesting. i'm just interested in what others think
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My personal opinion, i'm sure others will. I won't compile an AOSP rom for the DNA. My reason. I happen to love sense. Reason I stick with HTC phones. I don't like touchwiz (earth, haze, whatever they keep changing the ui name to) and moto ui is too much like stock. I like personality in my phone.

Stryker1297 said:
exactly like the op says, now that we have s-off, do you guys think we can get official aosp support soon? im not requesting. i'm just interested in what others think
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Not to sound like a jerk but it seems like you should know your way around....
We always have AOSP thats why its called android OPEN SOURCE project. The question is will someone be able to port it to the DNA.
Go to the Orig. Android Dev section for the DNA and you will see drewx2 an others have been working tirelessly on porting CM10.1 (AOSP) to the DNA. Instead of asking a question that has been answered in the thread you should go check it off.
And S-OFF has nothign to do with porting AOSP. It might make a difference considering other devs may get the phone now that the bootloader is fully unlocked. But it has no DIRECT effect.

How many of these threads do we need?? You could not have posted in the AOSP thread right below yours?? Besides if you people wanted AOSP you should have bought a Nexus. SMH

zone23 said:
My question is what does the one have to do with the other? Or put it this way what does S-Off have to do with AOSP? just wondering, thanks.
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My dear Zone. I think the question was, now that there's no security whatsoever, does it mean now we have the capability to modify the device even further.
The S-off feature allows us to upgrade the firmware (ie, bootloader ver, radios) on our devices. The software is capable after root is achieved. Root in lamens terms is giving yourself administrative rights over your phone, ,much like you have administrative rights on your windows computer. BUT, linux does not have administrator priveleges, it has root priveleges. Thats why Zone is confused by your queston.

Unphazed MD said:
Not to sound like a jerk but it seems like you should know your way around....
We always have AOSP thats why its called android OPEN SOURCE project. The question is will someone be able to port it to the DNA.
Go to the Orig. Android Dev section for the DNA and you will see drewx2 an others have been working tirelessly on porting CM10.1 (AOSP) to the DNA. Instead of asking a question that has been answered in the thread you should go check it off.
And S-OFF has nothign to do with porting AOSP. It might make a difference considering other devs may get the phone now that the bootloader is fully unlocked. But it has no DIRECT effect.
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number 1, yes you sound like a jerk. number 2, some people dont have time to search for a partial answer to somebody else's question. 3, i asked for OPINIONS on the subject. not answers or eta's. 4, i have seen the thread, i asked for speculations on official ports, and i am very aware of the hard work devs put in (donated to jcase and beaups). and 5, s-off has a LOT to do with aosp ports, since many devs refuse to support locked phones, which is an effect. not direct, but still an effect.
honestly i know now why xda's rep is such crap now. when i try to start a conversation on this site all you get is a bunch of trolls with nothing better to do than act condescending and sarcastic.
and thank you dragonstalker for being just about the only person on this thread that even attempted to act sensible and polite

Memnoch73 said:
How many of these threads do we need?? You could not have posted in the AOSP thread right below yours?? Besides if you people wanted AOSP you should have bought a Nexus. SMH
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where's the fun with nexus phones? number one, i am a strict lte user. two, i dont really like nexus because you dont get to really choose other oem skins. some days i like sense/touchwiz, and other days i like aosp. and no wont post in the other thread. they arent looking for the same conversation/info i am, and i'm not gonna add another question to a question thread. SMH

well some devs might be more interested in getting the phone now that it has s off. I don't think it has a direct effect either but making things more convenient for the end user to install kernels should entice more people, including devs looking for a new toy.

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number 1, yes you sound like a jerk. number 2, some people dont have time to search for a partial answer to somebody else's question. 3, i asked for OPINIONS on the subject. not answers or eta's. 4, i have seen the thread, i asked for speculations on official ports, and i am very aware of the hard work devs put in (donated to jcase and beaups). and 5, s-off has a LOT to do with aosp ports, since many devs refuse to support locked phones, which is an effect. not direct, but still an effect.
honestly i know now why xda's rep is such crap now. when i try to start a conversation on this site all you get is a bunch of trolls with nothing better to do than act condescending and sarcastic.
and thank you dragonstalker for being just about the only person on this thread that even attempted to act sensible and polite
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Theres nothing wrong with "XDA's" rep. Its people posting/asking the same quesitons over and over again without taking the 5 minutes to browse the forums or 30 seconds to do a search. Theres been like 800 S-OFF/AOSP related threads/questions when in truth they honestly arent that related. S-OFF is essentially disabling a security check. AOSP is the source.
You could of also just posted like someone else said in one of the other threads on the front page of DNA Q/A asking about S-OFF/AOSP. I dont post a lot but honestly all of these questions being asked over and over again is really silly.
Same with asking about an ETA. The ETA is when the devs finish it. If you want it faster help out. Its not easy.
Maybe you should have reworded your question to something like "Now that we have S-OFF is porting AOSP and easier/quicker which would speed up the eta?"
Im sorry but after the whole debacle with people bugging devs and almost driving them out of the scene and taking them for granted I am not trying to have this widespread post spam happen.
and btw official CM10 support usually happens after somone has a stable and organized build. Then CM10 will usually ask them to become the official maintainer for that device. DrewX2 posted about it in the CM10.1 DNA thread I am not giving that great of an explanation.

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My dear Zone. I think the question was, now that there's no security whatsoever, does it mean now we have the capability to modify the device even further.
The S-off feature allows us to upgrade the firmware (ie, bootloader ver, radios) on our devices. The software is capable after root is achieved. Root in lamens terms is giving yourself administrative rights over your phone, ,much like you have administrative rights on your windows computer. BUT, linux does not have administrator priveleges, it has root priveleges. Thats why Zone is confused by your queston.
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Ya I get confused a lot thanks for cleaning that up for me.

Technically we have AOSP but with Sense skin. If you want AOSP feel then flash a deSensed rom (Sence isn't completely removed, only as much as possible) and use an AOSP theme.

orangechoochoo said:
Technically we have AOSP but with Sense skin. If you want AOSP feel then flash a deSensed rom (Sence isn't completely removed, only as much as possible) and use an AOSP theme.
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Let me clarify something... AOSP is nothing like sense... Sense isn't a skin it's a full OS. HTC didn't theme AOSP, they built from ground up an os based on android kernel / Linux kernel
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Nevermind, you're right.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...d-skins-aosp-sense-touchwiz-xda-developer-tv/

orangechoochoo said:
Nevermind, you're right.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...d-skins-aosp-sense-touchwiz-xda-developer-tv/
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Yea that's exactly what I was referencing from lol

orangechoochoo said:
Nevermind, you're right.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...d-skins-aosp-sense-touchwiz-xda-developer-tv/
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Wow, someone who admits they're wrong. I didn't know that existed on the Internet.
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Unphazed MD said:
Theres nothing wrong with "XDA's" rep. Its people posting/asking the same quesitons over and over again without taking the 5 minutes to browse the forums or 30 seconds to do a search. Theres been like 800 S-OFF/AOSP related threads/questions when in truth they honestly arent that related. S-OFF is essentially disabling a security check. AOSP is the source.
You could of also just posted like someone else said in one of the other threads on the front page of DNA Q/A asking about S-OFF/AOSP. I dont post a lot but honestly all of these questions being asked over and over again is really silly.
Same with asking about an ETA. The ETA is when the devs finish it. If you want it faster help out. Its not easy.
Maybe you should have reworded your question to something like "Now that we have S-OFF is porting AOSP and easier/quicker which would speed up the eta?"
Im sorry but after the whole debacle with people bugging devs and almost driving them out of the scene and taking them for granted I am not trying to have this widespread post spam happen.
and btw official CM10 support usually happens after somone has a stable and organized build. Then CM10 will usually ask them to become the official maintainer for that device. DrewX2 posted about it in the CM10.1 DNA thread I am not giving that great of an explanation.
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did you not read how i just said i didnt ask for eta's or roms. do you know how to read. also did you read how i said i donate to devs when possible. also did you read how i said i wasnt asking for progress updates. i said i was looking for CONVERSATIONAL OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT

Bigandrewgold said:
Wow, someone who admits they're wrong. I didn't know that existed on the Internet.
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It doesn't hurt to be wrong, it's a learning experience :good:

No s off won't make CM10 any easier to build. Fixing not being able to push or pull system files while phone is booted makes things much easier to work with and in my opinion was way more helpful to the devs on general.
If you look at some of the recent HTC devices, a good number of those devices are s off, and the AOSP developers went back to s on because of safety concerns for the device after a few mishaps building from source.
To build AOSP for a device like this requires some serious skill on the RIL (radio interface layer) department especially. Using the command line for a few things like boot.img isn't challenging to someone that can build from source for AOSP. And definitely is a skill someone porting AOSP roms and especially trying to crack RIL would have acquired a long time ago. While on the surface it seems so advantageous to the end user, to port AOSP over to a brand new device, my 2 sense is that s on is the least of their worries.
And yeap the guys above me are right, sense is built as sense from the ground up. And unlike AOSP, most of sense is proprietary so unlike AOSP Android, it has to be reverse engineered and then built to work on the hardware in our phones. The linux kernel used by HTC is open source and they comply with the GPL and release kernel source code for it. But everything proprietary is kept pretty locked down to prevent Samsung from using sense 5 and calling it "Samsung inSense"
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Sent from my DNA... S-Off like a baws

Why do so many people buy HTC phones which all come with some form of Sense and then spam XDA with questions about when can we get AOSP? The answer to the question by the OP is no because S-Off has nothing to do with getting AOSP. As Charles put it the biggest hurdle on every HTC device I have had for the devs to get AOSP working is RIL and kernel.

MaceksMod Mecha Rebirth?

Why has this been locked?? There are no ICS ROM's that are any good??? Santod's basic ROM is just debloated stock.....
I really don't understand why they find the need to play God around here.... There are no ROM's!!! At this point there is no reason for an XDA Thunderbolt page!
STOP LOCKING THREADS... WHO GIVES A CRAP THAT IT IS OFF SANTOD'S BASE... THIS IS WHY THE PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE ANDROID... TOO MUCH POLITICS AND BULL CRAP.. JUST LET THESE GUYS MAKE GOOD ROMS SO WE CAN ENJOY OURSELVES...
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BUILDING OFF OTHER PEOPLES WORK.. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S CELL PHONE SOFTWARE!
JESUS H CHRIST..,..
Where can I find this ROM now? It has been removed from roots wiki as well?

5 custom ICS roms and 4 stock roms >>> HERE
Look around, there is more then just a stock rom there.
Don't speak about something you do not know the details of.
XDA has rules, so do other sites and when it comes to disrespecting me and the source from which you got your materials from, I then have rules too.
Besides, I have been told numerous times now that what I contributed wasn't anything, and easy enough to do.
So there should be no problem with it standing in any real devs way.
They simply make their own base and move on.
So crying about it is unnecessary for anyone involved, including me.
Everyone just does their own thing and moves on, simple as that.

I am hating on you Santod.. I have a lot of respect for you and i am sure everyone does.. I am on your rom right now.. The non eternity one... And it is honestly awesome, i just want a more aosp rom, i know you have a desense rom in the making but it has been pulled for weeks now.. I wanted to see mack, you, and jester all make a combined kick ass rom.. I am crying because i just want to see the tbolt finally succeed and with the help of all you great devs and hopefully an htc source code release.. The day may come.. I think you should all work together... Everyone respects all the devs but its awesome to see you guya work together.
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It's still on the host server and plenty are running it.
Check the last few pages of the thread....
I believe I posted 3-4 updates on that rom, this week alone.

Wow now I remember why I just got over this phone and moved on. Santod040 is the only one that attempted to integrate the patches into gb to get ICS for you guys. It wasn't a typical ruu, a lot of work had to go into that integration. And then everyone acted like it was open season on his work. His attitude might have been better if he was ever asked in the first place for it to be used. But he wasn't, and none of the other ICS roms really were any different than any of his. And I have seen a lot of people say that integrating the patches was easy work, but yet no other dev has done it themselves. There's a difference between development and taking someone else's rom zip, theming it, adding other tweaks also developed by someone else, and calling it yours.
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Wow now I remember why I just got over this phone and moved on. Santod040 is the only one that attempted to integrate the patches into gb to get ICS for you guys. It wasn't a typical ruu, a lot of work had to go into that integration. And then everyone acted like it was open season on his work. His attitude might have been better if he was ever asked in the first place for it to be used. But he wasn't, and none of the other ICS roms really were any different than any of his. And I have seen a lot of people say that integrating the patches was easy work, but yet no other dev has done it themselves. There's a difference between development and taking someone else's rom zip, theming it, adding other tweaks also developed by someone else, and calling it yours.
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This is a pretty good explanation of where I think santod is coming from even though it isn't coming from him directly. All of you are acting like it was some walk in the park or something to assemble the ota but it sure is taking all of you a lot longer than it took him to do.
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disconnecktie said:
This is a pretty good explanation of where I think santod is coming from even though it isn't coming from him directly. All of you are acting like it was some walk in the park or something to assemble the ota but it sure is taking all of you a lot longer than it took him to do.
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Not really trying to speak for him, just back him up. It seems the easier rooting/roming becomes the less people seem to understand (or care to understand) what goes into development. They just want it now and don't care how they get it.
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Everybody respects Santod... but his ROM's are not on XDA they are on Infected Roms.... I am on his NuSense Rom for a while now.... It just seems ridiculous that Mack and Santod could not work together IMO... Now if Mack was refusing to give Santod his fully deserved credit for the Base and Stock Rom then yeah I understand.
I am not hating on Santod what so ever... I am getting the best battery life ever on his NuSense Sense 3.6 Rom... With Nova Launcher it actually moves pretty nice too for stock kernel...
Let's be honest though... Sense 3.6 sucks... Sense Sucks... We all want AOSP.. That is not happening until the Source get's released... so a Desensed Rom is something of extreme interest.
I can not wait for the Jelato Santod Rom to be done... I just figured maybe Mack or Jester may be able to throw Santod some ideas maybe and before you know if we would have a 10x better DeSensed ROM then if it was just by one particular Dev.

Yeah I mean the only thing that bugs me is that while Santod makes a good rom, he cant help himself from customizing it the way *he* likes it, and not the general public at times. Every time I use one of his roms I'm like "wow, amazing performance, sweet battery life, all the features but wtf is up with this font? Why this theme?". It'd be like getting a rewritten AOSP rom built from HTC's source, and then shipping it with a hello kitty theme I liked Mack's work because it had that truly vanilla feel to it with all the under the hood tweaks a launcher like Apex can offer. The new Jelato rom actually runs worse than the unsense rom, albeit just slightly. It's certainly better than Sense, but still kinda leaves something to be desired.
I guess what I ultimately dont get is why anybody cares if someone else rips off your work. It's not like either of them are being paid here, which means it all comes down to fame and recognition. If your motives are pure, and you are simply doing this for the community, then you should be happy that someone went and tweaked a new flavor of your rom for everybody to use. Why there's this whole desire for credit is beyond me. Seems kinda conceited. "How dare you steal my charitable donations!" What have you got to lose?
Like I said, I really dont want to see just one rom developer out there. If santod is the only one left with the skill to properly port these things, then he should be supportive of others customizing his work. It does do him or the community any good to horde all his development unless there's some sort of financial incentive in it for him and he needs revenue from this somehow. And if he gets bored or offended and quits then the TB community just dies forever? That sucks. If the only people left willing to contribute are kanger's, then let them! We cant have our entire community rest in the hands of one developer.

I support and help anybody and everybody that treats me with an ounce of respect.
IT IS NOT ABOUT CREDIT!!!!
I could give a **** about credits or your complaints about my theming.
Maybe the theming is my way of saying it's mine.
The original UnSense was about as Vanilla as it gets really.
If you don't like what I have to offer up, then don't use it, it's simple.
If the fact that someone else left their rom half sense and half aosp makes it more vanilla for you, then fine.
Use his pieced together rom, I don't care.
What do you guys want from me?
Sure, treat me like an asshole, but feel free to help yourself to my stuff....
Anyone whining about this still, needs to get a life.
Any real developer wouldn't have batted an eye, made their own base and rolled along.
If what I contributed was "nothing" and easy to do, why all the fuss?
By the way, everyone else loves the theme, you happen to be the first to complain about how it looks.
There is this thing called UOT and another called apktool, maybe you should find those and learn to use them, before you go criticizing anymore work of others.
You may find yourself with ZERO rom options!

Any useful thread on the matter that is not just santod vs the world or people complaining about locked threads will not be closed.
This is not such a thread.
They serve no useful purpose for the community.
If you have issue with this PM me, I am not looking to "play God" or any some such activity, but the denizens of this community must be spared such drama as found in this thread.
Let's all work together to create a better development community.

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