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I've been thinking about using one lately.....what are you guys using?
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I've been thinking about using one lately.....what are you guys using?
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Been using the Body Glove for vibrant on and off the past couple of months. Adds a little bulk but added protection from accidental drops makes it worth it.
Here's the link
http://www.amazon.com/Body-Glove-91...FAYC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1303377534&sr=8-1
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I've been thinking about using one lately.....what are you guys using?
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check out the reviews here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=710
Get a TPU and be done with it
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my fav is the black rubbery one from T-Mo... got it at launch date. I've tried others since and they always fail by comparison.
Also, you know there is a whole section on this right? You may want to check there.
If you need real protection, and want it to still look good, Otterbox is the way to go. I don't really notice the phone being any thicker, but the protection is superb, and it looks elegant, to me at least.
Sedio Innocase, great protection and adds minimal bulk.
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Sedio Innocase, great protection and adds minimal bulk.
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I'm a big fan of seidio... I returned that case it was so bad in my opinion.
Tmo stock rubber.
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Naked is the only way to be. I throw mine in my pocket with keys and what not, no scratches yet. I tried numerous cases but keep going back to nothing at all.
Naked maybe a good way to go. I still have concerns with scratching the back so I put an invisible shield full-body cover on mine and haven't looked back. Hate the bulk that is added from the other cases too.
Otterbox for daily use & Trident case when boating
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If you need real protection, and want it to still look good, Otterbox is the way to go. I don't really notice the phone being any thicker, but the protection is superb, and it looks elegant, to me at least.
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I agree I have an otterbox to and I like it alot. Perfect case for the phone
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I was using a TPU case but I feel like I am killing my phone pressing the buttons. I have one of the I9000 mesh cases and am very happy with it without a screen protector. They are on eBay btw.
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Hands down its the Otterbox. Case closed haha! Only thing is its the "commuter" so its a pocket style. Otterbox dont make the "defender" for our vibrants so no belt clip but search the threadz someone posted a discount code. I used it too!
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I wanted to go naked, but was too paranoid, so my solution was a Barely There case. I've loved it because it doesn't add any bulk, and has already saved my phone a couple of times from dinged corners.
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VibrantWind said:
Been using the Body Glove for vibrant on and off the past couple of months. Adds a little bulk but added protection from accidental drops makes it worth it.
Here's the link
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the harder it is on the side and spends most time in ur pocket, it scratches that chrome side/corners of ur vibrant... i had body glove with my other fone.. not saying its a bad case, extra protection from dropping is good.. but it does scratches it over time.. try a cheap silicone and with a case/pouch or w.e u call them.
Otterbox not only does it not add bulk,you can still put it in pocket! I've tried all the silicone ones. The OBX combo has held up the best so far.
Sexyness + Strong as hell... otterbox
Got a $2 silicone rubber case from ebay and it works just fine...
Now I know jivy has posted his opinion about this a few weeks back but has anyone else ordered the at&t version that has come out? What's your opinion? Compared to the pop case?
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Now I know jivy has posted his opinion about this a few weeks back but has anyone else ordered the at&t version that has come out? What's your opinion? Compared to the pop case?
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I have one and am quite happy with it. I did cut off the flaps covering the USB and headphone jacks as they drove me nuts.
just got mine, they have a new version with the flaps and holes in the right place. its perfect for me- not too much extra bulk, but lots of protection
Cool. Plan to order one. Thanks for your insights.
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no problem. also nice that it comes with an OK screen protector, although I'll probably put a Zagg on mine anyway
Does anyone know of a holster that would work with this? I'm really a big fan of the protective covers over the ports as I work in a pretty dusty environment. I have a Seidio surface case and holsterthat I'm currently using, but it has no protection for the ports whatsoever.
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no problem. also nice that it comes with an OK screen protector, although I'll probably put a Zagg on mine anyway
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I have a zagg on mine and I love it. I could care less about the orange Peel or whatever...it protects my screen. Can't wait to get my otterbox though.
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I got my Commuter in today and I really like it. It's much sleeker than the Casemate Pop I bought when I got the phone (although I like the Pop, don't get me wrong).
I had Commuters on my 3GS and have one on my 4S as well, so I'm not new to this case, only new to the SGSII version. I like how it flows with the back of the phone (makes pulling it out of my pocket easier since the "hump" at the bottom is still there). I also like how it covers the top of the face...the iPhone version doesn't have that and I like the protection. And it works great with my cheap screen protector (although I'll probably put the Otterbox screen protector that came with it on).
This is definitely a great case for the SGSII since it's highly protective and doesn't add much bulk to the phone at all. The one reason I always go with the Commuter for my phones is the built-in port covers and these don't disappoint.
Highly recommended!
Got my Otterbox Commuter today in the mail as well. Loved it on my Captivate and love in on my SGSII. My favorite case by far.
Getting a ZAGG today as well. Love them too.
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Got my Otterbox Commuter today in the mail as well. Loved it on my Captivate and love in on my SGSII. My favorite case by far.
Getting a ZAGG today as well. Love them too.
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Yeah I love my zagg. I'm struggling to find a website that actually has a otter in stock though
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Yeah I love my zagg. I'm struggling to find a website that actually has a otter in stock though
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MWilkenson, I got mine from this seller on Amazon. This IS for the AT&T SGSII. I received mine in 4 days, so they ship quickly (at least they did in my case).
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0062HISFY/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details
Amazon has a ton. I just checked. good case. I love mine....now go get one son. Lol
Ah...Kentucky you win......
That is the exact seller I got mine from
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Case is ordered. Thank you!
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Case is ordered. Thank you!
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You're welcome. Glad I could help.
Got mine from:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120823457759?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Got it in 4 days.
I'm liking mine. The only gripe I have is that the rubber makes it not slide in and out of a front jeans pocket as easy, kinda sticks to the pocket material.
I just got mine. Seems nice except for the top rubber part doesn't lie flush on the phone. It's like the case is ever slightly too tall or too wide, and it could have been avoided if it were designed be symmetrical instead of having the extra material on the top of the phone.
For clarity, this is what I'm talking about: youtube.com/watch?v=KwNISYXJ3QI&t=3m49s
Kind of a bummer, but I doubt most people will care.
I just wish it had a holster like the defenders do. I love otterbox cases.
I have been wondering if there is a white screen protector for the galaxy s2. Cause i know someone whom has a white one, and it makes me jealous not to have one like that. Any around or anyone got one?
Lol wut?
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Yes exactly what Dimatchka said "Lol wut?" Maybe you mean silver?
OP is probably referring to the SGP Glas screen protector
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Or those mirror/privacy screen protectors?
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Or those mirror/privacy screen protectors?
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God those are horrid. My brother had one on his iPhone and it distorts the screen soooo bad.
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The guy above know what im talking about...
I know Amazon has the mirror ones for our phones, just search "i777 mirror screen protector" but I wouldn't recommend it. Aside from the "show off" factor they suck.
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I'm 110% against screen protectors, they peel off after a few weeks and usually disort the screen pretty badly. Plus most feel akward and can cause issues with the touch sensitivity.
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I'm 110% against screen protectors, they peel off after a few weeks and usually disort the screen pretty badly. Plus most feel akward and can cause issues with the touch sensitivity.
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I'm using the Otterboxone and its ok, no bubbles, no peeling and no effect on accuracy or feel. It does have a bluish wave when the screen is off but you can't see it at all when its on even if you try.
I agree I have seen some that feel horrible and ruin the phone but otterbox got it just right.
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I'm using the Otterboxone and its ok, no bubbles, no peeling and no effect on accuracy or feel. It does have a bluish wave when the screen is off but you can't see it at all when its on even if you try.
I agree I have seen some that feel horrible and ruin the phone but otterbox got it just right.
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Did it come with your case or do they sell it seperatetly? I may check it out if it's half as good as you make it sound
Post a link please.
+1 for the otterbox screen protector. Works well compared to the cheek ones. I don't know if you can get it by itself tho.
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Mine came with the case, idk if it's available separately.
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If you want a great screen protector, go with the SGP Steinheil Series [Ultra Crystal]:
http://www.amazon.com/SGP-Samsung-P...6SUM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330006064&sr=8-1
Greatest screen protector I have EVER had. The coating on the screen protector makes it feel like you are touching the glass, there is NO rainbow effect, size is great (if you put it on right, which is pretty easy, it seems like there is no screen protector at all), no peel at all, and no residue left if you decide to take it off.
Wow! Wish i had enough money to buy all these. Still enough i just want one that can keep the screen safe, without bubbles, and is smooth... I heard the 19100 has such. Maybe i could use those.
You'd have to trim it just above the capacitive buttons since it had the physical button cut out
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If you want a great screen protector, go with the SGP Steinheil Series [Ultra Crystal]:
http://www.amazon.com/SGP-Samsung-P...6SUM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330006064&sr=8-1
Greatest screen protector I have EVER had. The coating on the screen protector makes it feel like you are touching the glass, there is NO rainbow effect, size is great (if you put it on right, which is pretty easy, it seems like there is no screen protector at all), no peel at all, and no residue left if you decide to take it off.
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+1 best screen protector ever!
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dreadlord369 said:
If you want a great screen protector, go with the SGP Steinheil Series [Ultra Crystal]:
http://www.amazon.com/SGP-Samsung-P...6SUM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330006064&sr=8-1
Greatest screen protector I have EVER had. The coating on the screen protector makes it feel like you are touching the glass, there is NO rainbow effect, size is great (if you put it on right, which is pretty easy, it seems like there is no screen protector at all), no peel at all, and no residue left if you decide to take it off.
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Another +1 for this - got it a week ago, and I honestly can't tell it's on there. With the Skinomi carbon fiber on the back (I skipped the side pieces), when I don't use a case, I still feel "protected"
I havnet found any white ones. i know what your talking about. ive been looking for one too.
my infuse has it on it.
Are there really any differences between a $10+ screen protectors vs the $1.00 ones?
My $1.50 for 3 screen protectors off Ebay work just fine. I hardly even notice it is there. No bubbles and it still looks the same as the first day I put it on (3+ months).
I plan on buying a screen protector in the near future and I want to know if anyone has recommendations or tips for things to be wary of.
Anyone with a screen protector notice have any complaints?
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I plan on buying a screen protector in the near future and I want to know if anyone has recommendations or tips for things to be wary of.
Anyone with a screen protector notice have any complaints?
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http://www.spigen.com/sgp-samsung-galaxy-note-at-t-screen-protector-steinheil-series.html
I got a free one from the case I ordered from amazon (SPIGEN SGP AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4G LTE Hard Case Ultra Thin [Infinity White] (FREE Best Steinheil Screen Protector Cover Film Included)). It is very impressive, doesn't leave a lot of prints and fitting is perfect. You should check it out. I see they have more expensive ones for different purpose.
+1 on the SGP. I ordered Ultra Oleophobic. They are superb! Amazon has them for $16 and you get two protectors.
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I got a free one from the case I ordered from amazon (SPIGEN SGP AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4G LTE Hard Case Ultra Thin [Infinity White] (FREE Best Steinheil Screen Protector Cover Film Included)). It is very impressive, doesn't leave a lot of prints and fitting is perfect. You should check it out. I see they have more expensive ones for different purpose.
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Got the same case, except in black. There is really no room for error for the screen protector install. Mine was just a hair off at the bottom and I made the awful call to pull it up- got a couple lint spots now. Not horrible, but still annoying.
I will be buying a two pack of the Oleo version to replace this one down the road. I figure a couple pieces of lint isnt worth trashing the entire protector right away.
Whats your take on the actual case? I think its a little loose fitting.
Tried them all.
SGP is the only brand I will ever use. (their cases are great too)
They are taking preorders for a glass on glass screen protector.
I've always liked invishield by zagg
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I've always liked invishield by zagg
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The problem is, it's far from invisible. It has a soft surface which causes the protector to get scratches. It gives it an almost sticky feel compared to a protector / glass with a higher surface hardness.
Also it doesn't transmit as much light as I would like, and it's not chemically treated to protect it from fingerprints.
The only reason it's successful is marketing.
I have invisible shield on the front and back and I absolutely love it
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Although I hope, sgp warranty is good, my screen protector has a very tiny hole on it in the middle and after pressing a lot of times, it bubbles... I emailed them yesterday, still no reply
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I've always liked invishield by zagg
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I have invisible shield on the front and back and I absolutely love it
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Have you ever tried any other wet screen protectors? Zagg is the only one I've used with the annoying orange peel. It also feels the most rubbery. I will never buy Zagg again.
I always used PowerSupport screen protectors on my iPhone, but it appears that the company doesn't make protectors for the iPhone. Going on recommendations, I got an SGP ultra clear protector from Amazon on Tuesday. It went on very easy. I was very careful and have no bubbles or dust and it's lined up perfectly.
You can't even tell it's there. The s pen glides along very smoothly.
It compares very favorably to the PowerSupport protectors.
Well I ordered the oil repellent one because of a skin condition I have that requires me to apply a lot of lotion so hopefully that'll make my phone experience more enjoyable.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
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Maroon Mushroom said:
Tried them all.
SGP is the only brand I will ever use. (their cases are great too)
They are taking preorders for a glass on glass screen protector.
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Which is the one at&t was carrying, ivisor or something. Pretty ugly and thick but thats what I'm using for now for protection. I hate screen protectors in general.
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Which is the one at&t was carrying, ivisor or something. Pretty ugly and thick but thats what I'm using for now for protection. I hate screen protectors in general.
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**** quality ones. Overpriced as hell too.
the anti glare is fine but destroys the image quality of the screen
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Maroon Mushroom said:
**** quality ones. Overpriced as hell too.
the anti glare is fine but destroys the image quality of the screen
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Yup, thats what I bought. For now it'll do until I see some better reviews of crystal clear ones here.
I had the protector.from att of was 37 bucks n deff. Messed with my.color I'm getting.this one.everyoe is talling.about
I use xtreme guards from ebay. there like $2 for the note. only problem is they are for the international. they still work on att though. you just have the hole. I ordered 1 to try and got 8 more for the future. I prefer the wet apply guards also.
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Yup, thats what I bought. For now it'll do until I see some better reviews of crystal clear ones here.
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I have the moshi ivisor also. Ordered the sgp ultra oleophobic earlier this week and it came today! Will be installing it later and taking the ivisor back to ATT.
Update: I installed the SGP and it looks 1000% better than the moshi ivisor matte screen protector. I like the ease of install on the ivisor, but the matte just detracts from the screen. I borked the first sgp due to three specks of dust and when I tried to get them out with the included stickers, I made it worse. Luckily it comes with two and I got a clean install on the second one!
I was sitting next to two colleagues on a flight this afternoon and they saw my GNote and asked is that a phone? I showed it to them and one of them said...that phone makes my iphone looks like ****...lol!
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I love the Moshi screen protector. Its washable. AT&T sells them in the store for $25.
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We've had this phone out for about 4 months now and I was just wondering what screen protectors you guys are using, post a link of where you bought it and personal opinion about the protector and any other helpful information! I've been using this cheap protector for such a long time, now it's time to see what's really out there! :laugh::good:
Mine is built into my Otterbox case. I forget which model, I'll have to look for you, and I absolutely hate it. It's raised very slightly off my screen so I have to press down a with a little more effort, it hinders my typing speed. I'm planning on taking an exacto blade and taking out the screen protector and using one of the regular ones, but damn it I always get air bubbles
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Mine is built into my Otterbox case. I forget which model, I'll have to look for you, and I absolutely hate it. It's raised very slightly off my screen so I have to press down a with a little more effort, it hinders my typing speed. I'm planning on taking an exacto blade and taking out the screen protector and using one of the regular ones, but damn it I always get air bubbles
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You have an otterbox defender. And I'm considering doing the same thing. I'm thinking of getting one of those "wet apply" screen protectors to avoid getting bubbles. I might just get a ghost armor next time I go to the mall.
I'm sure I'll get **** for this but I really do love the invisible shield.
I just wish they made the HD one for the DNA, my gf has it on her iPhone 5 and it's awesome.
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I wanted a ZAGG invisible shield, as I had one for the HTC EVO V 4G and it was the 1st screen protector I used, it was great quality. I searched everywhere and could not find one for the DNA, only 1 store on Amazon had it and it got bad reviews. I decided to go with the Armor Military Grade one. Had it on for a couple days, so far feels just as great as the ZAGG.
Nothing beats Ghost Armor. They install it and no air bubbles. Plus lifetime warranty.
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Mine is from Big Red Good screen protector, has a spot for the proximity sensor. Too bad the phone only lasted 90 days
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Nothing beats Ghost Armor. They install it and no air bubbles. Plus lifetime warranty.
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Do you have one on your DNA? If so, is it just the screen or a full body one?
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Just put the zagg hd on mine. I've always done ghost armor but this seems just as nice. Not a big fan of applying myself because I'm picky but otherwise good. Just make sure you wait 3 days for all the blemishes and bubbles to clear before pocketing it for best results
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Anyone tried the screen protectors provided by Seidio?
Just ordered the Skinomi Teckskin...made to fit the DNA, its a wet application and you only get one for $12. Opposed to the 3 you get at VZW but those are cheap and don't fit as nice.
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Just ordered the Skinomi Teckskin...made to fit the DNA, its a wet application and you only get one for $12. Opposed to the 3 you get at VZW but those are cheap and don't fit as nice.
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I use this screen protector on mine and I love it. This was my first screen protector where you need to apply wet and I haven't looked back since putting it on. It doesn't take away from the display and fits perfect and is easy to put on. I ordered mine off amazon and got it cheaper than 12$ at the time. I also got a lifetime warranty on it so if it gets too worn down I will just get a new one. Deffidently the best one I have found so far.
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Just put the zagg hd on mine. I've always done ghost armor but this seems just as nice. Not a big fan of applying myself because I'm picky but otherwise good. Just make sure you wait 3 days for all the blemishes and bubbles to clear before pocketing it for best results
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Where did you get the zagg hd for the DNA? I can't find one...
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Is a screen protector really necessary? It is gorilla glass but I am seriously thinking of buying one but I dont want to ruin the nice feel of the screen.
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Just put the zagg hd on mine. I've always done ghost armor but this seems just as nice. Not a big fan of applying myself because I'm picky but otherwise good. Just make sure you wait 3 days for all the blemishes and bubbles to clear before pocketing it for best results
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I also use the ZAGG HD. Looks and feels really good, plus it includes a lifetime warranty.
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I also use the ZAGG HD. Looks and feels really good, plus it includes a lifetime warranty.
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Where'd you find the HD version?
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123421342 said:
Is a screen protector really necessary? It is gorilla glass but I am seriously thinking of buying one but I dont want to ruin the nice feel of the screen.
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Word! I can't stand the feel of screen protectors. The feel of the glass in way better. I treat my phone like a baby, and sit in an office all day. I guess if I were out in the field I might put a protector on it. But this is the whole point of all this high-tech glass, to make them virtually impossible to break or scratch.
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Word! I can't stand the feel of screen protectors. The feel of the glass in way better. I treat my phone like a baby, and sit in an office all day. I guess if I were out in the field I might put a protector on it. But this is the whole point of all this high-tech glass, to make them virtually impossible to break or scratch.
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Glass is glass. It will still shatter with enough force (not that a screen protector would save it from that). But even still, small particles of sand and rock and such can still easily scratch the screen. Don't believe its scratch proof when its scratch resistant.
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I was wondering how skinobi was. I'm getting a DNA. Always used the verizon ones but they dull down the hd screen I have on my respond. I want a case but read some bad reviews when having a case also.
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I was wondering how skinobi was. I'm getting a DNA. Always used the verizon ones but they dull down the hd screen I have on my respond. I want a case but read some bad reviews when having a case also.
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You should check out the invisible shield hd it's amazing.
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