I am curious to know why I can get 40mbps down and 20mbps up on my Note 2 but when I tether I only get about 5mbps down & 3mbps up on my desktop or laptop...? I know there would be a loss of SOME bandwidth but it seems like they are throttling tethering usage? I live right next to the tower so I guess I am lucky as far as that goes but I have used several apps and I just can't get the speed I would like... Any thoughts? TIA
How are you tethering? Bluetooth, USB, Wifi? I've only ever used bluetooth and wifi, and bluetooth was about 10 times slower than wifi on my Nexus.
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How are you tethering? Bluetooth, USB, Wifi? I've only ever used bluetooth and wifi, and bluetooth was about 10 times slower than wifi on my Nexus.
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I have been using wifi for the most part..
Is there a way to connect via usb with the note 2 and not be charged extra because one is on the unlimited plan?
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Is there a way to connect via usb with the note 2 and not be charged extra because one is on the unlimited plan?
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I use foxfi from play store for wifi tether, no root needed n its free
hmm i have not had that problem...when tethering via portable wifi hotspot my computers pull the same bandwidth.
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hmm i have not had that problem...when tethering via portable wifi hotspot my computers pull the same bandwidth.
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Same here. I get about 10 to 11 down on average on my phone and get similar results when tethered to my laptop.
I'm using the stock mobile hotspot, though I doubt FoxFi would be any different. I just made a widget through Tasker and it bypasses the entitlement check. So I bet you could download any number of power control widgets that included a tether control and it would do the same thing.
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Same here. I get about 10 to 11 down on average on my phone and get similar results when tethered to my laptop.
I'm using the stock mobile hotspot, though I doubt FoxFi would be any different. I just made a widget through Tasker and it bypasses the entitlement check. So I bet you could download any number of power control widgets that included a tether control and it would do the same thing.
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yea i wouldnt think it matters...any tether app that uses the stock hotspot app but bypasses the subscription check should work fine.
don't know if this has been asked already, but is there a way to tether using phone minutes instead of data? thanks
PDANet from the play store tethers via USB. The app is pricey but works well.
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I have a TB and a Wifi XOOM, and I have been using the mobile hotspot app to share my 3g/4g connection to the XOOM for a few days now with no problems. Yesterday I installed the Gingeritis ROM and have been experiencing some weird issues...
The Wifi connection remains stable but after about 30-60 minutes I need to restart my phone and re open the hotspot app to get a data connection again.
The reason i'm posting this thread is for two reasons: one is to find if anyone has the same issues using Gingeritis that I have experienced, the other is to find out if anyone has other methods of tethering that they recommend.
I used to use the Wireless Tether app on my X but have not tried it on the TB since the mobile hotspot app has been free so far; will that work?
Any recommendations are welcome, especially soon because i'll be on a train for 3 hours later and if I don't have to keep rebooting my phone that would be nice.
Thanks
CC
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I have a TB and a Wifi XOOM, and I have been using the mobile hotspot app to share my 3g/4g connection to the XOOM for a few days now with no problems. Yesterday I installed the Gingeritis ROM and have been experiencing some weird issues...
The Wifi connection remains stable but after about 30-60 minutes I need to restart my phone and re open the hotspot app to get a data connection again.
The reason i'm posting this thread is for two reasons: one is to find if anyone has the same issues using Gingeritis that I have experienced, the other is to find out if anyone has other methods of tethering that they recommend.
I used to use the Wireless Tether app on my X but have not tried it on the TB since the mobile hotspot app has been free so far; will that work?
Any recommendations are welcome, especially soon because i'll be on a train for 3 hours later and if I don't have to keep rebooting my phone that would be nice.
Thanks
CC
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I use the wireless tether app on my rooted TB. Works great, never had a problem. Another app you can try is Barnacle, you can get it from the Market. Both have worked great, I used to us Barnacle more because it let you control the amount of power the radio put out and thus save on battery lifr. However, I can't seem to find that option any longer. Try Wireless Tether, I've used it with multiple PC and iPads with no problems!
I use wireless tether to my wifi xoom almost daily.
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Wireless tether for root but I think its not on market anymore just Google it and you'll find the ewebsite for direct download of the apk.
Tried out that "Open Garden" app. It ain't bad.
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I use wireless tether to my wifi xoom almost daily.
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+1 This app works great
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Wireless tether for root but I think its not on market anymore just Google it and you'll find the ewebsite for direct download of the apk.
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It's still on the market, but it's hidden by a Verizon block. Can get it via the market if you kick into airplane mode and search over wifi.
Another happy wireless tether for root user
Tether to my ipad..
Friends internet went out , currently teathered to his xbox 360 and playing on live right now. btw mobile hotspot free till like july 7th.
+1 for Wireless Tether. Browsing is solid, but I wouldn't exactly game on it..
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It's still on the market, but it's hidden by a Verizon block. Can get it via the market if you kick into airplane mode and search over wifi.
Another happy wireless tether for root user
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You rock, I use this app and just got it off the web but I tried the Airplane mode trick you mentioned so I could get it via market for auto updates! Thanks man.
***EDIT*** (Turns out that even though its in "My Apps" under the market on my TBolt, I cant update it unless I turn off the radio. If you click on the app after its installed with you radio on it "cant find" the app. Verizon really doesn't want you to have that app I guess. Whatever though, you can download it from market over wifi.)***
Ohh and I (obviously) use Wireless Tether.
Works awesome. I used on last Monday on the beach in Hilton Head with 4G so the wife could log into work for a end of year teacher meeting on her laptop.
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+1 for Wireless Tether. Browsing is solid, but I wouldn't exactly game on it..
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Ditto. I keep Barnacle and Wi Tether both so I can switch from time to time.
Both have always worked well.
I use the Sprint Tether app on the EVO 3D port, the T-Mobile Tether app on the Sensation port, the inbuilt Verizon app on stock (free until July) or the built-in FroYo tether on AOSP ROMs. There's no reason to download another app when these are pre-installed.
I play COD off of my WiFi tether app on PS3 and have no issues. It seems to run faster on Gingerites than BAMF.
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Wireless tether here.
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Wireless tether 1.7 i believe. The tried many versions and this one worked best.
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Built In tether function of CM7 does the trick for me. No probs yet.
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Wireless tether works perfectly for me, need root though
Barnacle for me
it didn't work?? It said:
Your account does not include Mobile Hotspot/USB tethering service. Please contact Sprint to enroll in a plan for this service.
You can still use the Hotspot app to create a local network.
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I thought this was supposed to be free?
Ahh no where did you hear that its free?
It's free on the nexus s 4G due to it being a Google phone
29.99 a month plus tax bud
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Download app "easytether" its $9.99 for full access one time fee.
hope you read this. I've used it on 4 different android phones. It always works just read the instructions.
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Ahh no where did you hear that its free?
It's free on the nexus s 4G due to it being a Google phone
29.99 a month plus tax bud
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I thought wifi tether costed money and usb tether was free?
has anyone tried the wifi tether app with temp root, does it work?
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has anyone tried the wifi tether app with temp root, does it work?
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Some have gotten barnacle to work. Wireless tether app wont work. FYI: Those are 2 different apps. I could not get barnacle to work.
All carriers block Android's native tethering abilities for obvious reasons. Why let you use a ridiculous amount of data for free when they can charge you for it?
If you want to wireless tether, simply root using this method(i take no credit for this root method): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1152101 and then install barnacle wifi tether from the market. It works 100% percent of the time
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If you want to wireless tether, simply root using this method(i take no credit for this root method): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1152101 and then install barnacle wifi tether from the market. It works 100% percent of the time
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Well if i use that method i lose temp root right away happens every time. .. root will stick till i use barnicle and then gone. i can use other things all i want but if i touch barnicle gonzo. i did get the internet for like all of 3 secs lol
wireless tether pre14 works perfect for me.
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wireless tether pre14 works perfect for me.
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this also work for me it uses a adhoc connection.. wireless tether 2.02 pre 14... also barnacle also works for me with out any encyption. so they both work with no password on the network.. once u enable password for some reason it give me a error
Install PDANet to get free usb tether.
I prefer Easytether, it automatically starts when you plug in the cable, as apposed to PDANet that requires pushing buttons.
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I prefer Easytether, it automatically starts when you plug in the cable, as apposed to PDANet that requires pushing buttons.
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I'll check it out. PDANet was pretty darn clean and they have a good track record.
Is there one that works for the Rezound? This was last updated in 2010...
http://code.google.com/p/android-wired-tether/
...so I don't think that would. Anyone know of another one that has the same design as the newest Wifi Tether, but it's USB?
PDANet works fine with it.
Have you tried clockworkmod tether?
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Is there one that works for the Rezound? This was last updated in 2010...
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Try Easytether, it works for me.
Clockworkmod tether was working fine but it suddenly stopped working a few days ago.
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Clockworkmod tether was working fine but it suddenly stopped working a few days ago.
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My rezound is currently broken. Once I get a new one up and running I'll see
CoolJourney said:
Try Easytether, it works for me.
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Is this one free? Clockworkmod cost $ after 14 days.
SR3TLAW said:
Is this one free? Clockworkmod cost $ after 14 days.
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Lite version stays free but blocks https. That's pretty much industry standard.
Blocks https ? How is that industry standard, maybe amongst the tether app devs but not real world
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Blocks https ? How is that industry standard, maybe amongst the tether app devs but not real world
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You answered your own question. This limitation is pretty much standard amongst all the free apps.
chinochino360 said:
Clockworkmod tether was working fine but it suddenly stopped working a few days ago.
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I am on ViperRez 1.0.3 and usb tether is working fine on both 3G and 4G
Are there any apps that allow wired tethering to tablets? I tried pdanet but it keeps telling me I need to download foxfi
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Are there any apps that allow wired tethering to tablets? I tried pdanet but it keeps telling me I need to download foxfi
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how would you do wired tethering to a tablet? foxfi is only needed for wireless i belive. if you want to do wireless tethering just get wifi tether. works great
I am trying easy tether lite.
Basically its connected to PC and app is working, it works on websites. However things like ssh connections dont appear to even try to use the connection they still go over my wired broadband connection. According to the FAQ only UDP is blocked, so I have emailed the author to see if its a true internet sharing app or just for web.
After a bit of research, I have found the following methods for full, free USB tethering with no limitations and for free USB reverse tethering:
I found this app for USB tether. It is entirely free and allows https and all. It took me a bit of time to figure out how to make it work: I did it by going to Chrome Settings > Advanced settings > Proxy settings > LAN settings > Use proxy server for LAN; Adress: localhost; Port: 8080.
Then I started the connection from the app, also set to port 8080. Although Windows never recognized any internet connection, it worked in Chrome.
To switch back to my DSL internet or Wi-Fi, I had to disable the proxy again.
For the reverse tether, I found this Windows tool. It allows reverse tethering with nothing installed on the phone (although root is needed). The only problem with it is that the Play Store is unable to download over its connection, but one can always go to play.google.com in the phone's browser and download things from there.
easy tether does actually work on everything, I paid for it now.
I got no idea if any free apps that have full tethering. CM7 rom supposedbly has it but for some reason the option isnt on my phone's version of CM7.
I have AT&T Note with stock ICS (rooted of course). I tried many different tethering apps and so far none of them works. I have tried, for example,
- FoxFi
- Wifi Tether for rooted user 2.3-beta1
I tried to change the configuration, such as these:
- Change Device Profile: Generic ICS/JB (wlan0)
- Change Setup Method: Netd (master) - DO NOT use Netd-ndc
The problem is that the tethering starts, other device (laptop, tablets, etc.) can see the hotspot network, but it's either:
- No traffic sent
- Network is slow, like 0.1Kbps
I know it's not the Note or the other devices connecting to it, because:
- When tethering is running (FoxFi, Wifi Tether, etc.) I can still browse the Internet from the Note (not from other device) just fine
- All the other devices (laptop, tablets) can connect to the Internet when connected to other Wifi (home network, Clear hotspot, etc.)
So which one works for you?
I'm non rooted ICS and FoxFi has always worked for me. Have you tried the new version? It limits how long free users can use the app (not sure how much) but it might be worth a shot...
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I'm non rooted ICS and FoxFi has always worked for me. Have you tried the new version? It limits how long free users can use the app (not sure how much) but it might be worth a shot...
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Did you sideload FoxFi? It's no longer shown from Google Play app in the Note, I only see the Key App ($6).
Do you not have the tether built into your rom? I have always just used the "stock" tethering under setings menu.
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Do you not have the tether built into your rom? I have always just used the "stock" tethering under setings menu.
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I thought this is only of you have the tethering plan with the carrier? Wouldnt they force me to pay for the tethering plan if I use the built in app?
I don't tether much, just in emergency like in airport.
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Did you sideload FoxFi? It's no longer shown from Google Play app in the Note, I only see the Key App ($6).
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Hello, go here: www.foxfi.com/bin
This will download the latest version of Foxfi to your Note. It does state that there are some limits to free usage but I don't know if that means it cuts you off after fifteen minutes or what. I also have a previous apk of Foxfi somewhere in my Note's download folder that doesn't mention a need to upgrade to the paid version.
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I thought this is only of you have the tethering plan with the carrier? Wouldnt they force me to pay for the tethering plan if I use the built in app?
I don't tether much, just in emergency like in airport.
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What plan are you on?
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What plan are you on?
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Normal $30 plan / month... "unlimited" data for use on the Note. AT&T told me tethering cost another $20 / month.
I just freeze "Tether Manager" with TiBu and it works perfect..
*Seems I didn't.. don't see tether manager in my list anymore.. I suppose it just works for me..
Say it, Don't spray it.
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I have AT&T Note with stock ICS (rooted of course). I tried many different tethering apps and so far none of them works. I have tried, for example,
- FoxFi
- Wifi Tether for rooted user 2.3-beta1
I tried to change the configuration, such as these:
- Change Device Profile: Generic ICS/JB (wlan0)
- Change Setup Method: Netd (master) - DO NOT use Netd-ndc
The problem is that the tethering starts, other device (laptop, tablets, etc.) can see the hotspot network, but it's either:
- No traffic sent
- Network is slow, like 0.1Kbps
I know it's not the Note or the other devices connecting to it, because:
- When tethering is running (FoxFi, Wifi Tether, etc.) I can still browse the Internet from the Note (not from other device) just fine
- All the other devices (laptop, tablets) can connect to the Internet when connected to other Wifi (home network, Clear hotspot, etc.)
So which one works for you?
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Freeze/delete tethering manager, then use the system tethering, or use a AOSP ROM, or one with FJMod
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Normal $30 plan / month... "unlimited" data for use on the Note. AT&T told me tethering cost another $20 / month.
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Lucky bastard
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Not that lucky; I had an unlimited plan too. AT&T began throttling after unlimited plans went over 3gb. I never did but I knew someone who was throttled. It took two minutes to open a text email.
Don't take this as criticism of AT&T, everyone throttles now except for Sprint. And I've had nothing but great experiences with their phone and data service, customer service, etc. I really like AT&T but didn't have a need for their unlimited plan anymore. I'd rather pay $10 if I go over 3gb than be throttled.
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I've been throttled once, and it wasn't that bad - the speed would be normal for the first few moments of a connection and the slow down. So small data transfers were fine, but streaming video etc. was not.
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I use the one built into my room on cm10. Works perfect. At&t hasn't throttled me nor have they added a tethering plan. Everything works very perfectly.
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Not that lucky; I had an unlimited plan too. AT&T began throttling after unlimited plans went over 3gb. I never did but I knew someone who was throttled. It took two minutes to open a text email.
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That's weird. When I've been throttled, it's never messed with my emails and text messages
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Oh man! I just remembered my colleague was on T Mobile. That was insane, render your phone useless throttling. Good to know AT&T leaves some basic functions alone with its throttling. I may be in the minority but I really like AT&T and have always been well served by them.
While a part of me really dislikes the idea of throttling I can understand how some people killed it for us moderate users: another colleague of mine used to stream Netflix all the time, download torrent files and tether to his laptop constantly at home. One month he used more than 80GB.
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AT&T began throttling after unlimited plans went over 3gb. I never did but I knew someone who was throttled.
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It's actually 5GB for our LTE Notes. The older 3G plans are 3GB. Personally I don't want to pay another dime, and I rarely go over about 3.5-4GB/month, but the one time I did, I'm glad I still had data without having to pay another $10 just to get a few MB additional (I barely went over).
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The one that is built in
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i prefer wifi tether. i like being able to see the current throughput and the amount of data i use per session. i've only seen it work on synergy rom though.
Yeah...I tried using Wi-Fi tether for the same reason and it didn't work, maybe I'll try your approach.
Does anyone know if the built in tether app cause any charges for using it?
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The one that is built in
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same here, which doesn't even require root
It doesn't require root BUT Verizon has been known to charge around 8 dollars a month to activate the functionality.
Has anyone seen a charge for using the stock tethering app?
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Wifi Tether works great for me and lets me see how much data I'm actually burning through. I'm using the one w/ the Synergy ROM, TrevE Mod.
The built in tethering only works if you are on a share data plan. If you are on an unlimited, you can't use it without paying extra. However FoxFi works WITHOUT root on the S4. I have yet to root because my wifi passwords all back up to google now, and I could care less about my angry birds data as I don't play it anymore. Tethering was really my only reason for rooting this and since foxfi works with no charge and no root, I haven't rooted. I don't use windows so until I NEED to root, I'm not going to try to get one.
Anyone know of any hotspot apps? I got pda and it doesn't work it keeps saying I am not subscribed to a hotspot service through sprint....I used to use easy tether and that worked great (had a custom prl) but it doesn't seem to be working on my s4
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Anyone know of any hotspot apps? I got pda and it doesn't work it keeps saying I am not subscribed to a hotspot service through sprint....I used to use easy tether and that worked great (had a custom prl) but it doesn't seem to be working on my s4
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I got pda net to work tethering, works great.... I still can't get the hotspot.
Glitterloveglamour said:
I got pda net to work tethering, works great.... I still can't get the hotspot.
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either "one click tether" or "power toggles" or just any wireless tether widget works.
I am still on unlimited so the FCC ruled free tether does not apply, so when it prompts to go to Verizon or cancel just hit the home button and wireless tether stays on. :good: While its on you can still go into the settings and set up WEP security passwords.
Works like a charm.
andstba was
i just updated to the newest update to be able to move data to the sd card. so far so good EXCEPT I LOST MY WIFI ABILITY!!!
freaking verizon.
i have a stock S4 and haven't rooted it......yet. i have the unlimited data plan and was able to use the wifi hotspot with fox fi and other apps, but now since the update it checks to verify i have the wifi service.
i am not opposed to rooting my phone if that will get me wifi again, i would just prefer not to.
any ideas how to restore the wifi ability with a verizon S4? i have tried svtp, foxfi, and portable wifi hotspot with no luck.
pokerhoe said:
i just updated to the newest update to be able to move data to the sd card. so far so good EXCEPT I LOST MY WIFI ABILITY!!!
freaking verizon.
i have a stock S4 and haven't rooted it......yet. i have the unlimited data plan and was able to use the wifi hotspot with fox fi and other apps, but now since the update it checks to verify i have the wifi service.
i am not opposed to rooting my phone if that will get me wifi again, i would just prefer not to.
any ideas how to restore the wifi ability with a verizon S4? i have tried svtp, foxfi, and portable wifi hotspot with no luck.
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LOL :silly:
i guess i thought that meant it you had your phone physically tethered to a laptop or what ever you wanted internet on.
i some how missed the "wireless" part of that statement.
thanks for re-directing my attention!:good:
pokerhoe said:
i just updated to the newest update to be able to move data to the sd card. so far so good EXCEPT I LOST MY WIFI ABILITY!!!
freaking verizon.
i have a stock S4 and haven't rooted it......yet. i have the unlimited data plan and was able to use the wifi hotspot with fox fi and other apps, but now since the update it checks to verify i have the wifi service.
i am not opposed to rooting my phone if that will get me wifi again, i would just prefer not to.
any ideas how to restore the wifi ability with a verizon S4? i have tried svtp, foxfi, and portable wifi hotspot with no luck.
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You're going to be even more disappointed to find out that you updated because you misunderstood what the update actually does.
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Now I am worried. What does the new update do?:crying:
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Now I am worried. What does the new update do?:crying:
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It does not sane you any appreciable space. You indicated that the apps to sd feature was the motivation for upgrading. It merely moves the apk files to ext sd. App data stays in place on the internal memory.
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I am rooted with the Motochopper work around. I downloaded an ota (I knew better but...). Fortunately, thanks to the good folks at XDA I was able to freeze the ota in its tracks.
Anyway, my favorite wifi apk is Portable Wifi Tether. I am unlimited w Verizon.
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I was able to get PDA net to work. The hotspot wasn't working and I used one of the mods here for native hotspot now both the native hotspot and planet are working flawlessly.
I was afraid I was going to loose my expanded mini menu.
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