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I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
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Can you actually see the pixel difference on a 1920x1200 screen over the primes?
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I've counted them (the pixels) and the difference is that the count took two times as long!
But seriously, there is a point when it would be hard to see a difference, where more pixels would NOT really make a clearer screen.
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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Wordlywisewiz said:
I was offered a full refund on my prime and dock and am thinking about taking it... and seeing what MWC has to offer... maybe the samsung galaxy note 10.1 or something else lenovo maybe.....
maybe they will pull something off and release a Nexus tab
or windows 8......
idk what to do but I want this things headaches gone.....
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I am sorry that you are having problems with the Prime. However nothing you have said is actually relevant to the conversation that this thread was started with. Please try to keep on-topic, there are plenty of other threads where you can discus your tablet problems.
With regards to pixel density... it very much depends on how you use your Prime. If you read a lot on the Prime and have noticed pixelation in small text, then yes, upping the pixel density would improve your tablet experience. If you mainly watch videos then you probably won't notice the extra pixels on the size of screen that the Prime has.
The exact same debate took place when 1080P TV's came out. People that already bought 720P used the same defenses as to why 1080P TV's are overkill. 80% of high-def TV's sold last year were 1080P. Does anyone not think Apple's going to spend a gazillion dollars convincing the world life as we know will end if you don't have a retina (HD) display? Asus, Acer, and Samsung aren't introducing HD displays because it's practical, it's to combat Apple. How many of you expect your next phone to be qHD or 720P? And its only got a 4-5" display. Whether you personally care or not, tablets with HD displays are going to become the norm (potentially impacting the resale value of those that don't have it).
Wordlywisewiz said:
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly decreased performance..
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly!
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet!
Bragging rights?
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How is 1920x1200 = 2k?
And because the prime has that resolution doesn't mean there will be a lot of content using the extra 120 pixels lol.
it will be 1080p content with black bars on top and bottom, no difference in file sizes at all.
I guess it depends. In my opinion its all about what you're used to. For example, i'm used to gaming on a PC. There you use Anti-Aliasing on the games in 1080p, so i'm used to perfectly sharp images without any jagged edges. If I see the same games on a Xbox i always think the graphics are horrible, while most people think there are some amazing looking games on the xbox...
And i used to play Tomb Raider 1 on my old PC in 320x240 on a 15" CRT monitor. That was bad dpi. I still enjoyed it very much
So atm i have a 27" PC/TV combo monitor with 1080p. Thats what my eyes are used to. So my prime looks sharper to me than my PC monitor, and i think my PC monitor is more than sharp enough i hope you see now where i'm getting. I also cant tell the difference in dpi from my 800x480 4.3" phone to the iphone display...
What i'm trying to say, no one needs that kind of resolution. Its just nice to have, and once you got used to it, you probably dont wanna go back. All things aside, I think the Prime's screen is absolutely beautiful.
So if I had to compare 2 devices with different resolution the one very sharp, the other very very sharp I would look on all the other features first.
For example if the TF700T would have like 1 hour less battery life and would be heavier i'd still go for the Prime.
If we're talking RUMOURED ipad 3 resolution, well just think about this. Watching movies in that resolution (you first had to get them somehow, as far as i know all movies are max 1920x1080 today?) would be pretty sharp right. But because of a screen format that hasnt been used anymore since 10 years you will only be using a very small part of that screen to actually watch that movie.
Now everyone has to decide for themselfs, but for me there are FAR FAR more important features than resolution (especially if the difference is barely visable for me).
But people have spent huge amount of money on unuseful tech for lesser reasons
Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
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Off course yu can see the difference. Just take a look at your phone display(800*480 or higher), you'll notice that it's much sharper than any tablet screen.
The biggest "problem" of resolutions that high is that the graphics processor has to deal with much more pixels(in our case 2304000(1920*1200)/10024000(1280*800)=2,25 times).
In the case of games this could mean games running at less than half the speed(FPS), assuming it has the same CPU/GPU combination.
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Well, it won't have the exact same GPU, and the iPad 2 has a pretty ridiculously powerful PowerVR GPU. However I question Apple's choice to use GPUs that tend to focus on polygon performance instead of fill rate performance particularly when they're looking to dramatically increase screen resolution.
Apple is running out of things to say is best with the iPad / iPhone short of gimmicks like Siri and "retina" displays. They're going to pay for it in other areas though, they're going to need to have a GPU with a killer fill rate, and though the current SGX543MP2 can probably manage, doubtless they'll cram something that eats even more power into the iPad 3.
The thing that most Apple users don't know is that most of the tablet apps they'll be buying off the market won't make use of the high resolution or the processor, as the majority will have been built to run on the now-comparatively-pathetic iPad 1. At least we're seeing THD apps that make use of the additional processing power our tablets have to offer. I've yet to hear of Apple app developers doing the same, though I assume it'll have to happen at some point.
And finally, to answer the question of the OP, I highly doubt there will be any noticeable difference at the distance most of us hold a tablet. It's a little different for the iPhone; with a 3.5 inch screen you have to hold it a lot closer if you're reading text because it's that much smaller. Comparing smartphone display resolution to tablet display resolution is rather pointless as we hold them at different distances from our face depending upon the size of the display and the text / images on the screen.
Holding my TFP at its general 2-foot viewing distance, I'm hard pressed to make out any individual pixels, and my vision is 20/20. I won't be trading in my TFP for an iPad because of of difference in pixel density I may never even notice!
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I'm feeling somewhat disappointed on Asus's decision to move the transformer towards the direction the ipad is taking by making slight hardware changes and massively bumping up the display.
I remember when apple invented the 'retina display' buzzword for ips panels a few years ago - marketing them as having the most pixels your eyes can see from a holding distance. Now apple is keeping the tablet the same size and bumping up the pixel density 4 times with suspected plans of marketing that as being better. How? They've already stated more pixels would be redundant.
At this point the tablet to buy isn't looking like the ipad 3 or the tf700, lenovo is sweeping in with the ideapad k2 to offer more hardware changes (usb on the tablet, 1.7ghz t3, fingerprint scanner, possible keyboard dock) as well as a high def display.
What kind of change will these displays provide? Drastic?
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I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
Of course you can... but who cares?
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All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Think from what distance you look at your TV. And then think from what distance you look at your tablet. Compare the relative sizes of the devices in your field of view. I use 23 inch screen for movies but I look at it from 50cm - it's bigger then than typical cinema screen (I'm nearsighted so I like it that way).
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I personally think that for most people these super high resolutions on small screens are pretty pointless. Maybe it's because I'm 35 and don't have the same vision I did 15 years ago
All I know is I'm perfectly happy with 1920 x 1080 on my 70 inch TV
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Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
Wordlywisewiz said:
Cons
decreased battery life slight
slightly heavily decreased performance (compared to smaller displays)
more screen defects ( however you would never notice a dead pixel! being so small)
higher cost of the tablet most high resolution tablets will start at 599 including the iPad3
most people will not be able to tell the difference
Media in that format (2k) would fill your 32gbs so quickly! I think there is not even any 2K media (like cinema films) for end users available.
Less vivid colors/contrast ratio/refresh rate? (correct me if I am wrong)
Pro's
about Twice the amount of pixels! (4x the pixels in the case of the iPad3)
sharper text!
better looking movies if you can fit them on the tablet! You won't see that at "movie-distance"
Bragging rights?
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Man you have the 70 lol? I was happy as hell when i got my 60" Samsung Smart TV a few months ago. Then they had to go and introduce the 70" & 80" Sharp LED's! Damn you Sharp hahaha!
I told my GF 60" is the biggest ill ever have to go. WRONG!
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Now imagine if a TV of those size existed in the 1990s. It would weigh nearly a ton, resolution would be 640x480, and would probably cost about $3,999 dollars since anything over 36 inches was unheard of.
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The difference will be noticeable, but it's up to you whether you care enough to pay another 100 [insert currency here]. Was actually slightly disappointed with the display quality when viewing text on the TFP, but perhaps I'm just being ultra-picky. Can't be bothered to wait another 6 months at this point though.
Hey guys. I've been agonizing over which of these tablets to get. I am an android devotee already. I have a Gnex. What I want most out of my tablet is to be a portable movie/book machine. I plan to use it as my primary netflix device over my xbox because I plan on using it at work on my break and cuddled up in bed. A big issue for me with movies is the quality with black. I HATE when movies get to darker scenes and the blacks are not pure. They appear blotchy and purple-ish. I can't explain it well. My laptop (lenovo y570) doesn't handle blacks well. Another thing I need is for the book reading experience to be superb. I plan on overloading on e-books so I'm looking for a comfortable thing to hold and screen quality to not strain my eyes with words. I'm not a big app user. I just like to read news and watch videos. The most of my app use is with videos and I do plan to use emulators. N64 especially. For my needs, which of these two do you guys suggest?
I would get the Nexus 10 then. I've heard loads of stories of the Nexus 7 having bad backlight bleed. The Nexus 10 isn't immune however, but there should less chance of getting a device with bad backlight bleed.
The sooner they start using amoled screens in devices the better imo.
Nexus 7 for Books
Nexus 10 for Movies
But if you have problems with the black levels, you should get an amoled screen like Galaxy Tab 7.7
I got my Nexus 10 today and came from Nexus 7. I have to say N10 is huge, N7 is a toy compared to it.
N7 is much more comfortable to hold and read, but its rather small.
Double Resolution on N10 could be an argument too. Text is crisp, but the tablet is harder to hold.
For a 10 inch tablet, the N10 is very handy and light, but compared to N7 its so big.
For gaming like n64 you better take the N7. Also reading on N7 is more handy. Youtube and watching series is fine too and its half the price, so I would pick the nexus 7.
I suggest you try out some 7 and 10 inch tablets. The N10 is like the galaxy tab 2 and N7 comes close to Kindle Fire.
Yeah root an Kindle Fire HD 8.9 or get a Nexus 10. No brainer. I had a Nexus 7 and just didn't feel it. Nothing stand out about it besides Jelly Bean.
My fear with the N7 is that it is too close to a phone. The difference from my 4.65 in. screen on my gnex to the 7 inch screen wont be as much of an improvement in experience over my phone with regards to movie experience. My fear with the N10 is that it will be too big to lug around to work and that reading wont be as comfortable in the 10 inch form factor. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and jump on the N10. I think there is less downside and more justification for the purchase.
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My fear with the N7 is that it is too close to a phone. The difference from my 4.65 in. screen on my gnex to the 7 inch screen wont be as much of an improvement in experience over my phone with regards to movie experience. My fear with the N10 is that it will be too big to lug around to work and that reading wont be as comfortable in the 10 inch form factor. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and jump on the N10. I think there is less downside and more justification for the purchase.
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I too have a Gnex and the 2 inch screen size difference forced me to get a n10. Plus n10 got micro HDMI which is essential for me
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Yeah root an Kindle Fire HD 8.9 or get a Nexus 10. No brainer. I had a Nexus 7 and just didn't feel it. Nothing stand out about it besides Jelly Bean.
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This idea is interesting. I was about to bring that up. The 8-9 inch seems like a sweet spot. The screen is pretty high res. I don't really want to do any rooting. Its not that I don't know how. I've done it on my old evo and my gnex now. I just want to keep things simple. And the amazon prime deal seems kinda sweet. I'm not sure how I'll handle the limitation with the customization though. That was my biggest issue with the iphone. I hated how restricted I was.
What do you do with the micro HDMI?
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I would say the Nexus 7. I own both, the Nexus 10 would suit the movie environment more, which would be suited to home/work etc. But the Nexus 7 is perfect for 'on the go' (literally), its lightweight, perfect for one handed use and great for reading (which is what i do with all the time).
Performance wise, its great, nothing to complain about, i have the 16gb version and i haven't found myself short of space at all. I tether it to my phone via bluetooth and all is perfect.
Aesthetically speaking, its amazing, the bezel is the right size, enough for your thumbs in landscape and enough in portrait to not let your fingers, that are wrapping around, to cause any interference.I had no defects, its a bit soft on the bezel, but well, it doesn't bother me.
Im loving the Nexus 10 though, but i wont be using it 'on the go', rather, somewhere where i would be situated for a while.
Hope this helps, otherwise if you have any specific questions, do let me know
Thanks. I plan on using it at my desk on lunch break and then bringing it home to use in bed at night to read and Netflix. That's the extent of my portability. I won't be using it on commutes because I drive.
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I don't like using my laptop for movies because the screen quality is just not good at all. The blacks are terrible. I use it for hardcore gaming. I don't like to Netflix a whole lot on my Xbox because I just don't like going through the menus and I like having a smaller screen up close rather than a TV for movies.
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errie806 said:
Thanks. I plan on using it at my desk on lunch break and then bringing it home to use in bed at night to read and Netflix. That's the extent of my portability. I won't be using it on commutes because I drive.
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I really like 9" tablets. For me, I'm able to interact with the screen without worrying about spraining a thumb. I had a 10-incher previously and that little bit has made a big difference for me. I actually thought I'd get a KF or the Nook+ (or whatever they're called -- the 9-inchers). Then I found a 9" Tegra 3 budget tab that quieted the German voice of frugality in my head...
In my opinion:
Nexus 7 Benefits:
- Tegra 3 (can take advantage of Tegra/THD-only games and game effects
- Smaller (Portability)
- Stylish Back
- Better Development (currently anyway; device existed longer than Nexus 10)
Nexus 10 Benefits:
- Faster (better RAM, CPU, and GPU; likely to receive more Android updates longer then N7)
- High-res Screen
- Larger Screen (less zooming on websites, bigger buttons, etc.)
- HDMI-out
- Dedicated Front Left/Right Speakers (N7 has 2 tiny L/R speakers in the rear)
- Rear-facing Camera
- Better-quality Front-facing Camera
I had a Nexus 7, and it worked fine and all (no backlight bleed; very minimal screen lift), but I would love the chance to try a 10-inch tablet. Now that the Nexus 10 is out, and with better specs, I can do so I'm really interested to see how gaming is on it mostly. Plus I would find a rear-facing camera very useful (I don't have a dedicated camera; trying to use the N7's front camera was a pain lol).
If it was a comparison between Nexus 7 and a Kindle Fire HD though, I'd choose the Nexus 7, unless you did a good bit of reading I guess (not that the Nexus 7 doesn't have ebooks and magazines, but perhaps the Kindle might have a larger collection). Overall though the Nexus 7 is more versatile and has a lot more features available for it, even without rooting (rooting is particularly easy on the Nexus 7 too, should you go down that path). I can't speak about the hardware of the Kindle Fire HD though since I never owned one, or even looked into it
Oh, and another suggestion. If you can't personally try out a 10-inch tablet, I might suggest making a cardboard cut-out with the exact specifications on size as a Nexus 10 (size specs are on Google's tech-spec page for the N10), and then just try holding it and stuff (that's what I did anyway lol). I learned that I seem to like 10-inch tablets, but I guess I'll find out for sure once I do get a Nexus 10 Can't really simulate weight though, so idk how heavy it'll be...
I think no reason to buy the nexus 7 except for reading books. It's too small to do anything. (well, I assume you have your smartphone to do other stuff liike mail checking etc..)
nexus 7 is really great for on-the-go and gaming.
it is light and small.
playing asphalt 7 on nexus 10 for a long time will be quite a workout but playing on nexus 7 is just right.
nexus 10 is more for watching movies.
it all comes down to you, if you like to bring it along with you anytime, nexus 7 is really the best. It doesn't attract too much attention, it fits perfectly to hold with 1 hand. If you like to watch movie before sleep, nexus 10 might be better.
I also find the Nexus 7 screen wanting, the playbook screen looked better with a much lower ppi. I also preferred the ipad 3 much better than the Nexus 7 for browsing the internet, which I assume is 90% of the tablet's use for most including myself.
I won't know for sure if the Nexus 10 is also much better when browsing the internet until I get my hands on mine but I assume the above applies since the Nexus 10 should be effectively the nexus 7 software in an ipad 4 body with an even higher ppi.
You're better off with N10. I sold my N7 and don't regret it. Anxiously waiting for N10 get delivered.
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My fear with the N7 is that it is too close to a phone. The difference from my 4.65 in. screen on my gnex to the 7 inch screen wont be as much of an improvement in experience over my phone with regards to movie experience. My fear with the N10 is that it will be too big to lug around to work and that reading wont be as comfortable in the 10 inch form factor. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and jump on the N10. I think there is less downside and more justification for the purchase.
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I have a Galaxy Nexus, and the screen size is no comparison. it may not seem like 2.35" is a lot more, but that is diagonal space so it goes both vertical and horizontal. It really is a lot bigger than a phone screen and the perfect size for reading a book or taking with you on a trip. If I were in the market for a new smaller tablet for reading, it would be a really hard choice between the perfect portability of a 7" and the great specs and still somewhat good size of the Kindle Fire HD 8.9"
Really it just depends on if you want it primarily for reading or if you want to do a lot of video watching. Since you started with movies, then mentioned portability to work, then said you want to load a ton of book on it, I honestly think the Kindle Fire HD 8.9" would be the best choice for you. It is a compromise between both sizes (7" and 10"), a compromise on screen quality between both devices, and is a compromise in cost (but closer to the N7). It is just the perfect balance of all things you listed as wanting to do for your situation.
Alright everyone, I know this is a Nexus subforum so bring on the hate
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I have a Galaxy Nexus, and the screen size is no comparison. it may not seem like 2.35" is a lot more, but that is diagonal space so it goes both vertical and horizontal. It really is a lot bigger than a phone screen and the perfect size for reading a book or taking with you on a trip. If I were in the market for a new smaller tablet for reading, it would be a really hard choice between the perfect portability of a 7" and the great specs and still somewhat good size of the Kindle Fire HD 8.9"
Really it just depends on if you want it primarily for reading or if you want to do a lot of video watching. Since you started with movies, then mentioned portability to work, then said you want to load a ton of book on it, I honestly think the Kindle Fire HD 8.9" would be the best choice for you. It is a compromise between both sizes (7" and 10"), a compromise on screen quality between both devices, and is a compromise in cost (but closer to the N7). It is just the perfect balance of all things you listed as wanting to do for your situation.
Alright everyone, I know this is a Nexus subforum so bring on the hate
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Yeah the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 seems like a sweet spot in size. I don't know how I like that Amazon software with the ads and stuff though. A girl here at work has the original Fire and I haven't taking much of a liking to it. I wish there was a Nexus 8.5 or something. That would be perfect. I think I'm going to go with the N10. My biggest want out of the tablet is to be a portable movie machine. I'm sure books will be just fine on it as well. I used to have a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and it was great but I gave it to my sister for her birthday. I thought that my laptop would make it obsolete but due to the poor screen resolution, I'm not satisfied with the movie experience. And I cant bring it around to work.
Never buy a Kindle tablet.... Full of ads
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Deciding between and N10 and N7, and I am torn.
Nexus 7
+ Smaller/More portable
+ Zippy Tegra 3
- 720p screen
Nexus 10
+ Insane Resolution
- Dual Core
That's all I really know about both devices. I have 2 friends with N7's and I really like the form factor, A LOT. But something about the N7 just doesn't sell me on it. Likewise, the N10 seems to be something I'm more familiar with, but the price tag seems like a bit much for me, considering I've never managed to see one in retail.
All opinions appreciated*
*unless its rude and snarky
Rebel908 said:
Deciding between and N10 and N7, and I am torn.
Nexus 7
+ Smaller/More portable
+ Zippy Tegra 3
- 720p screen
Nexus 10
+ Insane Resolution
- Dual Core
That's all I really know about both devices. I have 2 friends with N7's and I really like the form factor, A LOT. But something about the N7 just doesn't sell me on it. Likewise, the N10 seems to be something I'm more familiar with, but the price tag seems like a bit much for me, considering I've never managed to see one in retail.
All opinions appreciated*
*unless its rude and snarky
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I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
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I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
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Well said and helped me make my decision! Nexus 10 it is! :good::good:
I'd only add one thing: the Tegra 3 in the Nexus 7 absolutely gets destroyed by the Exynos 5 in the N10. Even though the Exynos 5 is dual core, it's based on the newer A15 architecture which is a huge jump in performance, so the core count doesn't really matter in this case.
i bought the nexus 7 day 1, It was a awesome little tab and ran great until 4.2.1. New update smoothed it out a bit. It's nice, but I also have a Note 2 and the jump to the tab wasnt big enough. I still used it, but i just wasnt completly happy having both. I bought the Nexus 10 last week and love it. Its fast, great resolution, great camera and doesnt feel too big for me when im laying in bed which was my main concern. I actually booted up my N7 last night and just holding it i kept thinking "what is this a tablet for ants?". It's funny considering I dont get that feeling with the note 2, but then again its probably because i know its a phone not a tablet.
I'd say it depends what your phone is. If you have a iphone or something with a smaller screen, you might want to go for the N7, if its something in the bigger end near 5" or more, go with the N10
I went for the 10 over the 7 because I have a Galaxy S3 for portability and wanted a larger screen to use about the house. Oh and the specs of the 10 simply blew me away .
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I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
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Thanks for saving me all that typing lol... that's exactly why I have a10 now. My wife has the Nexus 7. Between the I/O speeds and premium feel its a no brainer. I have two managers at work who are getting then after seeing mine. One even returned his 2 day old iPad4 because it was no comparison. Also not to be over looked are the front speakers. You never quite realize how bad cupping is to get decent sound is until you don't have to do it anymore.... pure perfection.
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Thanks for saving me all that typing lol... that's exactly why I have a10 now. My wife has the Nexus 7. Between the I/O speeds and premium feel its a no brainer. I have two managers at work who are getting then after seeing mine. One even returned his 2 day old iPad4 because it was no comparison. Also not to be over looked are the front speakers. You never quite realize how bad cupping is to get decent sound is until you don't have to do it anymore.... pure perfection.
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You are absolutely correct about the sound quality, I've given up on the Nexus 10 a few times after feeling it was impossible to get one without major issues but keep coming back after trying other devices. My favorite alternative was the Asus Vivotab Smart but the volume is extremely low and poor sounding which ultimately made me return it and try a few more nexus 10's the sound quality on this tablet is amazing compared to the rest.
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...My favorite alternative was the Asus Vivotab Smart but the volume is extremely low and poor sounding which ultimately made me return it and try a few more nexus 10's the sound quality on this tablet is amazing compared to the rest.
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I was actually considering buying this tablet in the future, but hearing the various reports of audio volume, it doesn't sound too good.
I sold my iPad 3 for it because I thought Google had gotten it right this time. Big mistake. Significant downgrade.
Wait for Google I/O. They will probably release a new tablet of some sorts
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Wait for Google I/O. They will probably release a new tablet of some sorts
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Currently the Nexus 10 is the best tablet on the market. So if you wait for a new tablet it's probably going to come out at the end of the year
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Got my nexus 10 ordered and on the way! Can't wait!
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I sold my iPad 3 for it because I thought Google had gotten it right this time. Big mistake. Significant downgrade.
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How so?
Better screen resolution. Even The Verge said it was on par if-not better then the iPad4 screen.
More memory
Lower price
Significantly better sound quality from forward firing speakers
I had an iPad 3, dad has a 4. I sold mine for the Nexus 7 and then upgraded to the N10. I have two friends at work getting them as well, one of whom returned his iPad4 after 3 days for the N10.
Although I'm a Android lover I was a huge advocate for the iPad. It was a great device done right. But not so much anymore. Google did an amazing job on this device and I can no longer recommend an iPad, only the apps are better, but to be honest in the past 6 months the play store has jumped by leaps and bounds
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How so?
Better screen resolution. Even The Verge said it was on par if-not better then the iPad4 screen.
More memory
Lower price
Significantly better sound quality from forward firing speakers
I had an iPad 3, dad has a 4. I sold mine for the Nexus 7 and then upgraded to the N10. I have two friends at work getting them as well, one of whom returned his iPad4 after 3 days for the N10.
Although I'm a Android lover I was a huge advocate for the iPad. It was a great device done right. But not so much anymore. Google did an amazing job on this device and I can no longer recommend an iPad, only the apps are better, but to be honest in the past 6 months the play store has jumped by leaps and bounds
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Instability, Backlight bleed and battery life. Even on CM 10.1 I'm still getting random reboots everyday and 5 hours of screen on time. Compared to never rebooting and 12+ hours of screen on time. And I'd take the lower resolution over the 2560x1600 anyday if it meant zero backlight bleeding and much better performance.
Edit: Don't get me wrong, I prefer Android. I'd just rather a cohesive and smooth experience like I have with my Note 2. If the Nexus 10 had that I would be stoked on it. But it doesn't. Gets the job done for now but I was happier with the iPad so I'll likely go back unless Samsung releases a Note 10.1 with retina quality display.
Edit Edit: I'm also not saying the iPad is objectively better because you can't say that about either. I'm just saying for my use, in my experience, the iPad was smoother and much more stable. No random reboots for me on it whereas on the Nexus 10 it would lock up all the time and the battery life was wonderful. You can say, "Oh you shouldn't use your tablet more than 5 hours a day anyway" but that's also assuming you are always in a location where you can charge it.
I get Nexus 10 as:
Insane resolution, the wording was extreme clear and sharp, far better than my laptop.
Smooth performance. In market, not much Android tablet was smooth as this, for current available android tablet, I only can accept Padfone 2.
It is not iOS, sorry iOS never my prefer OS due to it restriction and boring interface.
** Reboot/hang issue was fixed 99% now in 4.2.2, so I am ok with it. Anyway Google really need more stability build on it Android OS, as no doubt it still cannot compete with stability of iOS.
My N10 just arrived a week ago...
I've been all over the place... with 2 7" tablets, 2 7.7" tablets, 2 8.9" tablets and 2 10.1" tablets in the last year.
This month, I had the Kindle Fire 8.9... which at 250 is an amazing value for a media tablet with some android compatibility. I got tired of the KF89's limitations like the accelometer, having to lock rotation, lack of compatibility, difficulty in getting a CM rom and my own decision to buy the 16gb version. I decided to get the Galaxy Note 10.1 as it was the fastest Android tablet under $400 with removable memory. I was very unhappy with it from the hour I unboxed it and decided I was done beating around the bush.
I wanted to have a no-compromise Android tablet... and today that tablet is the Nexus 10 32GB. In a few months it will be a Exnos 5 quad, or a Tegra 4 or a Qualcomm 800... but today it's the Nexus 10. And in the near (18 month) future, the N10 will stay ahead of the curve in full-size rom development. It feels good... sounds good, looks good and works well.
I would just buy the nexus 10 because of the screen size and use it to watch free/new/theater/ hd movies (I'm going to post the link to the app later in a new thread) but I dont know if the app would be compatible with the n10
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I didn't originally plan to buy it. Planned on getting the Nexus 7, but once I got to staples, it just seemed to small, Saw they had the N10 but not on display, So I took a shot in the dark since had 2 weeks to return it, but once I booted it I was hooked, I love the size, still fairly portable for me, I use it A LOT more than I expected and it does so much more then I could think of, I love taking it to work and playing Playstation games on it with ease, or SNES/NES games to just sitting back watching movies via plex/netflix. The screen is amazing even at half brightness everything looks beautiful. and of couse that darn tapped out game is just perfect for the big 10inch screen..I got the 32gb since all they had, and its way more than enough for this beast. Team it up with the Moko slim fit multiangle case. I am just VERY please with this purchase
I have currently a N4, a N7 and a TF700 which I sell for a N10.
I like them all for different tasks.
The N4 is my communication hub, my music player and the hot spot for my tablets. I use it often for small tasks like web search or navigation.
The N7 is my entertainment device for commuting because I can carry it in my jacket.
The TF700 is for reading PDFs (because some of them are not scalable so it's more comfortable on a large display) and longer browsing sessions on holiday or when I work abroad. And it works excellent for watching films.
However I'll exchange it for an N10 because of the performance. It drives me nuts that it is so much slower than my other two devices and because I would like to have a device with proper fastboot support.
I'm interested in purchasing one, but for $500 and midrange specs it really needs to deliver on the screen for me. How is it? Im not so much concerned with resolution as much as precise color calibration thats not washed out or too warm/cold.
how does it look for you guys?
s1lenz said:
I'm interested in purchasing one, but for $500 and midrange specs it really needs to deliver on the screen for me. How is it? Im not so much concerned with resolution as much as precise color calibration thats not washed out or too warm/cold.
how does it look for you guys?
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Well, this is not a midrange tablet, is a high end, don't get confused because is using the Snapdragon S4 Pro instead of the S600, there are not tablets that perform better than this one, also 2GB RAM, 1200p resolution (1920x1200), NFC, IR Port, Bluetooth 4.0, Dual Band WIFI a/b/g/n, microsd card slot upto 64GB. Check this review for more details about performance.
Also the screen is pretty good, has good viewing angles, great brightness, and pictures/videos looks awesome, the touch panel is very sensitive.
I'll see about getting some data when I get mine (should be Monday.) I don't have the fanciest calibration tools but good enough for the basics we're taking about here. I also have a calibrated desktop setup as well as a pile of other tablets and phones to compare to for subjective analysis.
This is not a midrange tablet. This is top of market right now.
I payed 700 for it. Plus another 150 on my country's customs. And it really really worth it.
When you have it on your hands, is just perfect!
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sorry guys, i don't mean to offend but when I say midrange i mean:
- the resolution is still 1200p vs 1600p on the nexus 10
- the s4 chip, as great as it is, is devoured by the exynos 5250 in benchmarks which is in the nexus 10 (http://www.androidauthority.com/exynos-5-dual-benchmarks-125134/ reference)
when you're talking purely features (waterproof, lightest 10" tablet on the market, solid build, ir port, nfc, sd card slot, sim card lot) yes, you're right its top of the line. but as far as hardware specs go, to put it in perspective the next nexus 7 will either have an s4 pro or a 600 with the same resolution and cost roughly $300 less.
why does hardware matter? aren't those just numbers we geek over? well, often times manufacturers will push higher resolution screens on soc's that just aren't up to the task for it.
Like I said, I don't mind paying for the premium as I dont care about the resolution but I'm just concerned about the color accuracy. do the colors look washed out? is it like the nexus 7 and the nexus 10 which both have ips and (i forget samsung's proprietary panel used for the n10, which is supposively better then IPS), but in the end doesnt really matter because both screens are so horribly calibrated that its wasted?
the thing I'm actually pretty stoked about with this tablet running the S4 is that franco and paranoid android were able to create a nexus 4 color calibration kernel which works miracles for that screen. Coincidentally, thats the same chip used on the Z. I'm not sure how much support this tablet will have, but if Franco takes interest, the Xperia Z's screen will look spectacular after a color tweak...
I really hope the whites on mine aren't too warm. I would hate to turn this thing on and see it with that layer of pee-yellow on top that my 1st gen iPad and Galaxy Nexus suffered from.
As you said n10 screen got its own issues. There is question if there is need for such ppi in large devices we don't tend to hold close to face. And i wonder if future devices will chase after resolution knowing the price (atm there are only 3 android 10" tablets with HD+ screens. Color wise its very nice, warmer but not oversaturated like Samsung. However to know how it does compared to others we need to wait for RGB replication test.
In terms of speed XTZ is ahead of N10 in cpu (except single thread apps) raw power. N10 does better in browser test due to google optimalisation (in chrome or 4.2 i don't know). Mali is stronger raw what off-screen tests show. However on-screen n10 extreeme resolution works against it puting it behind http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tablet_z-review-931p5.php .
So atm its high end, it wont be when tegra4 an s800 hit market.
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sorry guys, i don't mean to offend but when I say midrange i mean:
- the resolution is still 1200p vs 1600p on the nexus 10
- the s4 chip, as great as it is, is devoured by the exynos 5250 in benchmarks which is in the nexus 10 (http://www.androidauthority.com/exynos-5-dual-benchmarks-125134/ reference)
when you're talking purely features (waterproof, lightest 10" tablet on the market, solid build, ir port, nfc, sd card slot, sim card lot) yes, you're right its top of the line. but as far as hardware specs go, to put it in perspective the next nexus 7 will either have an s4 pro or a 600 with the same resolution and cost roughly $300 less.
why does hardware matter? aren't those just numbers we geek over? well, often times manufacturers will push higher resolution screens on soc's that just aren't up to the task for it.
Like I said, I don't mind paying for the premium as I dont care about the resolution but I'm just concerned about the color accuracy. do the colors look washed out? is it like the nexus 7 and the nexus 10 which both have ips and (i forget samsung's proprietary panel used for the n10, which is supposively better then IPS), but in the end doesnt really matter because both screens are so horribly calibrated that its wasted?
the thing I'm actually pretty stoked about with this tablet running the S4 is that franco and paranoid android were able to create a nexus 4 color calibration kernel which works miracles for that screen. Coincidentally, thats the same chip used on the Z. I'm not sure how much support this tablet will have, but if Franco takes interest, the Xperia Z's screen will look spectacular after a color tweak...
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A few things:
1. The S4 chip in the XTZ is actually more powerful than the Exynos 5250 Dual in the Nexus 10. The S4 in the link you used is a dual core MSM8960. The S4 chip in the XTZ is a quad core APQ8064. Coupled with the higher res of the Nexus 10, the performance of the Nexus 10 would be behind the XTZ.
2. This is a 10" tablet. Comparing it to the much faster paced 7" tablet market wouldn't make much sense, furthermore normally people get 10" tablets for different reasons than getting 7" tablets. While this is of course debatable, it would be more accurate to compare to up-and-coming 10" tablets like the new Tegra 4 tablets, which aren't slated to be released until Q3 2013 at least.
3. Screen-wise, I can't really comment since I don't have the XTZ yet (getting one on Thursday once it is released in my country). According to the reviews I read though, the colours are nice and sharp, and the screen has quite good viewing angles due to the gapless technology used in the screen. Quoted from androidpolice (http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/05/31/sony-xperia-tablet-z-review-a-surprisingly-good-tablet/):
The front of the Xperia Tablet Z is dominated by a 10.1-inch 1920x1200 LED-backlit LCD “Bravia Reality Display.” The Bravia-branded stuff is a post-processing engine for video and images, but the difference is extremely subtle. That’s not the important aspect of this panel anyway – more relevant is how it looks. In a word: good.
If I hold the Tablet Z uncomfortably close to my face, I can definitely see the pixels, but that doesn’t matter – you’ll never use a tablet like that. At a normal viewing distance – say 18-inches – the screen looks crisp and clear. Text is extremely readable and the pixels melt into lovely, fluid images. Because this is a gapless display, the viewing angles are much better than its smartphone counterpart.
The black levels are good on this device – better than the Nexus 7, for example. Below roughly 50% brightness, the blacks stay inky, but past that it starts getting a bit gray. It’s a far cry from AMOLED blacks, but it is above average when compared to other LCD panels (at least in my estimation).
We fetishize pixel density maybe a little too much. Having a higher resolution is great, but not at the expense of performance. This screen gets the job done, and does it well. You don’t need to stress about the raw resolution numbers being lower on the Tablet Z than the Nexus 10.
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4. It is possible Sony may include the white balance setting in Settings just like the Xperia Z. Other devs may of course implement this feature as well.
I saw one on display in a shop. The screen is very impressive, best android tablet screen I've seen so far. Not seen the Nexus 10 screen, but I've read enough about it's light bleed issues.
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I saw one on display in a shop. The screen is very impressive, best android tablet screen I've seen so far. Not seen the Nexus 10 screen, but I've read enough about it's light bleed issues.
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I'd say the screen is quite similar to the nexus 7. Its not as good as the TF700 but its perfectly satisfactory.
pandaball said:
A few things:
1. The S4 chip in the XTZ is actually more powerful than the Exynos 5250 Dual in the Nexus 10. The S4 in the link you used is a dual core MSM8960. The S4 chip in the XTZ is a quad core APQ8064. Coupled with the higher res of the Nexus 10, the performance of the Nexus 10 would be behind the XTZ.
2. This is a 10" tablet. Comparing it to the much faster paced 7" tablet market wouldn't make much sense, furthermore normally people get 10" tablets for different reasons than getting 7" tablets. While this is of course debatable, it would be more accurate to compare to up-and-coming 10" tablets like the new Tegra 4 tablets, which aren't slated to be released until Q3 2013 at least.
3. Screen-wise, I can't really comment since I don't have the XTZ yet (getting one on Thursday once it is released in my country). According to the reviews I read though, the colours are nice and sharp, and the screen has quite good viewing angles due to the gapless technology used in the screen. Quoted from androidpolice (http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/05/31/sony-xperia-tablet-z-review-a-surprisingly-good-tablet/):
4. It is possible Sony may include the white balance setting in Settings just like the Xperia Z. Other devs may of course implement this feature as well.
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Thanks for this, you bring up some excellent points. I'm going to take a wait-and-see approach to see if Franco or Faux will take any interest in this tablet and develop a kernel for it. Unfortunately, for that to happen I think the community is going to have to pool together some cash, like they did for the Oppo Find5...
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A few things:
1. The S4 chip in the XTZ is actually more powerful than the Exynos 5250 Dual in the Nexus 10. The S4 in the link you used is a dual core MSM8960. The S4 chip in the XTZ is a quad core APQ8064. Coupled with the higher res of the Nexus 10, the performance of the Nexus 10 would be behind the XTZ.
2. This is a 10" tablet. Comparing it to the much faster paced 7" tablet market wouldn't make much sense, furthermore normally people get 10" tablets for different reasons than getting 7" tablets. While this is of course debatable, it would be more accurate to compare to up-and-coming 10" tablets like the new Tegra 4 tablets, which aren't slated to be released until Q3 2013 at least.
3. Screen-wise, I can't really comment since I don't have the XTZ yet (getting one on Thursday once it is released in my country). According to the reviews I read though, the colours are nice and sharp, and the screen has quite good viewing angles due to the gapless technology used in the screen. Quoted from androidpolice (http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/05/31/sony-xperia-tablet-z-review-a-surprisingly-good-tablet/):
4. It is possible Sony may include the white balance setting in Settings just like the Xperia Z. Other devs may of course implement this feature as well.
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1. I had believed in benchmarks before I used the N10 (and some chance with N7 also), Antutu and especially Quadrant are garbage. However, I still believe in the traditional benchmarks like Geekbench, Sunspider or BrowserMark (I don't use chrome, intead Ocean Browser and Dolphin which is not Google optimization and the browser benchmarks are superior). My friend bought the Tablet Z and it is somehow laggier than N10 and N7. I know we can blame the UI for it, but even it lauching apps, N7 and N10 are blazing fast.
In the real world performance, N10 (throttling fixed) > Tablet Z
3. Yes it's nice and sharp indeed, much better than XZ smartphone. The viewing angle is very good but still slightly worse than iPad 4 or N10. Texts are crisp, not as sharp as iPad 4 and N10 when comparing besides but it's satisfying when used stand alone.
Some extra opinions:
- In my country, 16GB 3G Tablet Z costs about $950 (with some stuff like external speakers and headphones which equivalent to ~$150), while 16GB N10 (shipped from other countries) costs $460
- The audio from speaker on Xperia Z is bad for a tablet, considering Youtube, movies are used frequently on tablets. The two front facing stereo speakers of N10 are not as good and Note 10.1 but still very inspiring.
- The lightweight is extremely lovable on Tablet Z. I felt a little bit hard when coming black to my not very heavy N10.
The screen is great. I was a little bit worried about it not being as high ppi as iPad/etc. I ordered it without seeing it.
I am completely happy with the screen. Colors, viewing angles are all very good. I even turned off the mobile Bravia engine.
If you are worried about the ppi/color anything, don't be. Screen is great.
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1. I had believed in benchmarks before I used the N10 (and some chance with N7 also), Antutu and especially Quadrant are garbage. However, I still believe in the traditional benchmarks like Geekbench, Sunspider or BrowserMark (I don't use chrome, intead Ocean Browser and Dolphin which is not Google optimization and the browser benchmarks are superior). My friend bought the Tablet Z and it is somehow laggier than N10 and N7. I know we can blame the UI for it, but even it lauching apps, N7 and N10 are blazing fast.
In the real world performance, N10 (throttling fixed) > Tablet Z
3. Yes it's nice and sharp indeed, much better than XZ smartphone. The viewing angle is very good but still slightly worse than iPad 4 or N10. Texts are crisp, not as sharp as iPad 4 and N10 when comparing besides but it's satisfying when used stand alone.
Some extra opinions:
- In my country, 16GB 3G Tablet Z costs about $950 (with some stuff like external speakers and headphones which equivalent to ~$150), while 16GB N10 (shipped from other countries) costs $460
- The audio from speaker on Xperia Z is bad for a tablet, considering Youtube, movies are used frequently on tablets. The two front facing stereo speakers of N10 are not as good and Note 10.1 but still very inspiring.
- The lightweight is extremely lovable on Tablet Z. I felt a little bit hard when coming black to my not very heavy N10.
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For me, I don't really look at benchmarks. They're after all synthetic. Even browser benchmarks are affected far more by the Javascript engine behind it than the hardware. Chrome runs terribly in Sunspider and the like, while the stock browser with the Nexus 10 runs very fast, benchmark-wise. However I would much rather use Chrome than the stock browser app any day because of its usability
As for UI, I'm going to take the Tablet Z for a spin before I get it, see how fluid (or not) it is. I'm most probably getting it unless there are showstopper bugs - Nexus 10 is not available in my country, and the Exynos 5 Dual is simply not powerful enough to power the screen imo.
I'll post a review of it if (once) I get it. Going to touch on some of the concerns I see here I'll probably draw some comparisons to the other tablets I've used as well (Asus TF201, Nexus 7, Xperia Tablet S). Granted, they're previous gen but they provide a point of comparison
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The screen is great. I was a little bit worried about it not being as high ppi as iPad/etc. I ordered it without seeing it.
I am completely happy with the screen. Colors, viewing angles are all very good. I even turned off the mobile Bravia engine.
If you are worried about the ppi/color anything, don't be. Screen is great.
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I did the same thing and I'm a little worried. June 6th release, this comment is making me more at ease though.
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For me, I don't really look at benchmarks. They're after all synthetic. Even browser benchmarks are affected far more by the Javascript engine behind it than the hardware. Chrome runs terribly in Sunspider and the like, while the stock browser with the Nexus 10 runs very fast, benchmark-wise. However I would much rather use Chrome than the stock browser app any day because of its usability
As for UI, I'm going to take the Tablet Z for a spin before I get it, see how fluid (or not) it is. I'm most probably getting it unless there are showstopper bugs - Nexus 10 is not available in my country, and the Exynos 5 Dual is simply not powerful enough to power the screen imo.
I'll post a review of it if (once) I get it. Going to touch on some of the concerns I see here I'll probably draw some comparisons to the other tablets I've used as well (Asus TF201, Nexus 7, Xperia Tablet S). Granted, they're previous gen but they provide a point of comparison
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I'm in the same boat. Nexus 10 16GB costs more than the latest 16GB iPad. After being blown away by everything about the tablet and how much better it is, imo, than the Nexus 10, it was a no brainer since it's the same price as the 16GB iPad. Plus I picked up a 64GB SD card and the total cost is still lower than a 32GB iPad... and I get a 80GB tablet instead. Can not wait for this to arrive.
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Thanks for this, you bring up some excellent points. I'm going to take a wait-and-see approach to see if Franco or Faux will take any interest in this tablet and develop a kernel for it. Unfortunately, for that to happen I think the community is going to have to pool together some cash, like they did for the Oppo Find5...
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I'm hoping the same. Franco's gamma and color tool did wonders for what I felt was a very washed out screen on the n4.
I think the screen on the xtz is pretty good but a little too warm. I'd pay good money for a screen calibration tool.
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I'd pay good money for a screen calibration tool.
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This, so much.
violet grays
I've seen 3 Tablet Z in a shop in Moscow, and the screen was the only issue which stopped me from buying one. The whites where slightly yellowish which I could get used to, but the grays were of purple tint!
I even made a side-by-side screen comparison between Sony Experia Tablet Z, Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 and iPad 4. I opened the same web page on every device and compared the colors as well as the text quality.
Samsung has a cooler white point, which means the whites were slightly bluish, the grays were also a little bit cool but ok. The text quality has been foreseeably lower than on other devices since Note 10.1 has lower resolution.
iPad is the best in terms of readability and color accuracy - white is quite neutral, gray is gray. The text is rendered very clean.
Sony Experia Tablet Z's white was noticeably more of yellow tint and the shades of gray were all slightly violet. In general, it looked like washed-out old picture. The text was crisp but I'd say has been not so comfortable for my eyes as on the iPad.
Moreover, one of 3 Sonys had more of violet hue than the other two! The salesperson whom I showed this difference told me it was a preproduction item just for demonstration, and the other two were for sale. Which also shows that the tablet really has this issue.
That was a big disappointment for me which prevented me from byuying the Tablet Z. I wish I know if there is a way to calibrate the tablet's screen.
the screen is stunning anyone who says other wise is being very petty. colours great sharp and very vibrant
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the screen is stunning anyone who says other wise is being very petty. colours great sharp and very vibrant
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Colours are great, sharp and very vibrant indeed.
But still there are problems I described above.
Was wondering if anyone could chime in. I havent seen either in person (going to staples today to see the nexus 10) and would appreciate it if anyone had any opinions.
Screen resolution and ppi- The nexus 10 obviously has a higher resolution and ppi, but side by side can you really even tell on a 10 inch tablet? I've read many reviews that have talked about how the difference between 1080p and retina/nexus 10 etc is not very noticeble at all.. Also this doesnt take into account contrast and brightness etc, if anyone can comment on the differences between the two screens Id appreciate it.
Size and feel- the Z is the thinnest and lightest 10 incher, but the nexus 10 seems to have an easier to hold back surface? I have a xperia zl smartphone and I chose this over the slightly more expensive Z bc it just felt easier to hold, even though it was thicker and had a curved back. Wondering if the same can be applied here in regards to the feel of both the Z and the N10.
Mouse- The nexus 10 can use a mouse, can the Z utilize one too? I'd like to be able to have a asus infinity transformer like setup with a bluetooth keyboard and a mouse etc for more capability when I travel, so I dont have to lug around my laptop.
Where?- I found out the N10 is only available in the retail outlets of Staples and sometimes walmart and sams club, where can I see the Z? Besides an official sony store, will it be available in any retail outlets? I have time to ponder this, as the Z just came out and cant be found for under 500.00 (for the 16g wifi) whereas the N10 has been around over 6 months and can be had used for 380 off ebay, etc.
Also not that this matters but Google should be announcing the next version of the N10 soon which will obviously trump both of these spec wise but with tech gadgets time will always bring worth a new winner.
Overall it seems the Xperia Z is for those that value the design asthetic, as well as the unique features such as the waterproof nature of it and remote control. The screen and battery are above average, but it seems its mostly about the design and thinness/weight etc.
Thanks~
Hi,
I'm actually getting rid of my Nexus 10 and purchasing the Z (I've had the 10 since it launched). The Nexus 10 would be a great tablet but for one issue: Apparently there is a memory leak with the "surfaceflinger" process that'll periodically cause the tablet to seize up and reboot. Using Chrome and viewing videos exacerbates the problem. I finally flashed the Sentinel ROM, and it was much more stable (Chrome uninstalled, using Firefox), but it'll still regularly lock up. Note that the memory leak is in a non-open binary module of some sort, so the modding community can't really help at this point. There's a bug filed, but Google, as always, seems pretty indifferent (granted it may be a bug with the Mali graphics drivers).
Other things I have found annoying with the Nexus 10 is its lack of 3rd party accessory support, as well as its somewhat chintzy build feel--my back flexes a bit and the removable strip on the back is creaky. Next, it STILL seems that there are games that aren't really optimized for the tablet and bog down in spite of its supposedly state of the art A15 processor--I think that's slowly improving, though. Finally, the battery life isn't the best (note that I root and freeze everything I don't use).
On a positive note, the screen is sharp as a tack, and with the right launcher (I've been using Nova) it's feels plenty fast.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
John Francis
I've had both and been disappointed by both.
The Nexus 10 seems to be plagued with issues like that graphics bug described above and a bunch of quality assurance issues (stuff stuck between glass and screen during manufacturing and edge colour bleed).
The Xperia Tablet Z seems to be having issues with the backing coming unstuck (double-sided tape is perhaps not the most robust manufacturing material), screen flexing and watertight stoppers over ports not being sufficiently watertight.
After 5 defective tablets of 3 different species (Nexus 7, Nexus 10 and Xperia) since last November, I'm waiting for the new batch (Tegra 4 Toshiba and Nexus 7 refresh) before I try again.
If you do decide to pull the trigger on either now — Nexus 10 if you like the screen and prompt Android updates or Xperia if you value the lightness, SD card expansion and IR blaster — your best bet is to open it up in-store and test it for it's known issues right then and there so you can exchange it right away.
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Screen resolution and ppi- The nexus 10 obviously has a higher resolution and ppi, but side by side can you really even tell on a 10 inch tablet? I've read many reviews that have talked about how the difference between 1080p and retina/nexus 10 etc is not very noticeble at all.. Also this doesnt take into account contrast and brightness etc, if anyone can comment on the differences between the two screens Id appreciate it.
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I believe that the screen resolution shouldn't be a problem at regular viewing distance. I actually find text more pleasing on my SO-03E versus the iPad 3 I have lying around. But obviously if you want absolute sharpness, the Nexus 10 delivers.
Do note of course that the Nexus 10's ultra high resolution means that you'll have more difficulty finding wallpapers of that resolution, and more content/apps than on any other tablet will look fuzzy and low-res. As it is I already notice most apps having screen elements showing pixellation on the XPERIA Tablet Z or iPad.
Brightness and contrast on the XPERIA Tablet Z are good, but not exceptional. I cannot give an opinion on the Nexus 10, it isn't really officially sold in my country so as much as I wanted one at the time I'd have to go out of my way to get it!
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Size and feel- the Z is the thinnest and lightest 10 incher, but the nexus 10 seems to have an easier to hold back surface? I have a xperia zl smartphone and I chose this over the slightly more expensive Z bc it just felt easier to hold, even though it was thicker and had a curved back. Wondering if the same can be applied here in regards to the feel of both the Z and the N10.
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The XPERIA Tablet Z has a very nice (almost like ultra smooth, grippy leather) rear texturing - it stays in my palm even at a nearly 80 degree vertical angle. The grippy matte plastic on the back, the sheer thinness and weight of the tablet make it extremely easy for me to carry it, personally.
I have little to no qualms using it one handed, or even just carrying it around in the hand like a paper folder, as it pretty much weighs like one. The fact that it lacks rounded edges is circumvented by the thinness. Unlike the Z phone, it's much larger so you have enough space on each side to place your hands, rather than having to cup the device in your hand. It's pretty much like holding a magazine.
The tablet's rigidity is pretty impressive for me (although it can flex a tiny bit) and it feels very solid throughout. Only the buttons feel a little mushy, but otherwise build quality is sternly high on my unit. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if Japanese units have tighter quality control.
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Mouse- The nexus 10 can use a mouse, can the Z utilize one too? I'd like to be able to have a asus infinity transformer like setup with a bluetooth keyboard and a mouse etc for more capability when I travel, so I dont have to lug around my laptop.
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I just tried this with an OTG cable and a small wired mobile mouse, an ASUS notebook one in fact. Works a-OK, but the position of the MicroUSB port is moderately unwieldy in practice and you'll of course have to deal with the flaps.
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Where?- I found out the N10 is only available in the retail outlets of Staples and sometimes walmart and sams club, where can I see the Z? Besides an official sony store, will it be available in any retail outlets? I have time to ponder this, as the Z just came out and cant be found for under 500.00 (for the 16g wifi) whereas the N10 has been around over 6 months and can be had used for 380 off ebay, etc.
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The XPERIA Tablet Z's definitely a pricey prospect, but if you're willing to forego warranty sellers like eBay have Japanese models for cheaper, or you can even get a friend in Japan to try shipping you one. I saw some Japanese e-tailers selling it for like $150 less than expected when searching for my own. I believe the Nexus 10 is also sold direct via Google Play? Is it cheaper that way?
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Also not that this matters but Google should be announcing the next version of the N10 soon which will obviously trump both of these spec wise but with tech gadgets time will always bring worth a new winner.
Overall it seems the Xperia Z is for those that value the design asthetic, as well as the unique features such as the waterproof nature of it and remote control. The screen and battery are above average, but it seems its mostly about the design and thinness/weight etc.
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It'll never end, but if you're willing to wait, by all means. I was getting impatient myself and desired a lighter, attractive design with LTE (the Nexus 10 doesn't have LTE...), a MicroSD slot and water-resistance. I also prefer WUXGA (1920x1200) over WQXGA (2560x1600) because the 1920x1080 resolution is much more common (1080p video, same resolution as my desktop monitor and TV). WQXGA is mostly used only by 30" professional monitors, and rarely are there wallpapers let alone content made for it. The Sony tab's also one of the few ones around featuring the WUXGA resolution, I can only think of one other tablet and it's by Acer.
Also you'll want to note that the XPERIA Tablet Z only has the S4 Pro, which is slightly behind the Snapdragon 600, while incoming models will likely feature Snapdragon 800, or perhaps ASUS' new Infinity might interest you with its Tegra 4 chip.
The XPERIA Tablet Z's definitely at the slightly lower end of the future ready spectrum, due to; Snapdragon S4 vs Snapdragon 600 (slightly weaker CPU, but almost equal GPU), lower resolution (WUXGA vs WQXGA, but this isn't a con for me) and Android 4.1 vs 4.2 (complete with slower updates). But I was willing to compromise for what it gave in return.
I'm happy with mine, so if you can see both in person, weigh your opinions and desires. That said my XPERIA Tablet Z definitely gets some attention from people, compared to the Galaxy Note/Tabs that are increasingly commonsight.
I hope that helps.