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Good day. It seems that alot are having problems with capacitive buttons not being responsive and on almost every xperia s review, they always mention having difficulty in having the buttons register. But, they say also that when ICS upgrade comes, those buttons would be useless anymore and wouldnt be used. What do they mean? In what way, will the ICS upgrade affect the useability of those buttons?
ARC X12 said:
Good day. It seems that alot are having problems with capacitive buttons not being responsive and on almost every xperia s review, they always mention having difficulty in having the buttons register. But, they say also that when ICS upgrade comes, those buttons would be useless anymore and wouldnt be used. What do they mean? In what way, will the ICS upgrade affect the useability of those buttons?
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ICS has 3 onscreen buttons (home, back, menu), but i guess ppl will not like its on their phone!
keunhuvac said:
ICS has 3 onscreen buttons (home, back, menu), but i guess ppl will not like its on their phone!
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As we have the capacitive buttons they could still utilise them couldn't they? At least that way we don't lose screen to the onscreen buttons like the GNEX has!
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ianford10 said:
As we have the capacitive buttons they could still utilise them couldn't they? At least that way we don't lose screen to the onscreen buttons like the GNEX has!
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I would suspect that the capacitive buttons will continue to be used much like the nexus s. has Sony indicated otherwise?
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More likely Sony won't utilise the "on screen" ics buttons and simply remove those in favor of the extra screen realestate. The physical buttons are in the exact same position as the ics on screen buttons so no point in having 2 of each button to do the same job.
I don't have much of an issue now with the buttons, practice makes perfect.
Try sliding up the buttons instead.
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krohnjw said:
I would suspect that the capacitive buttons will continue to be used much like the nexus s. has Sony indicated otherwise?
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As far as I'm aware no they haven't and to be honest I would prefer the capacitive buttons
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Similar to somemadcaaant, here's what I realised. Almost 80% of the time I just need the back button.
I am sliding my finger around the button area from right to left. This action feels natural for going back.
For home button, I make a small circle in the middle. I so seldom use the menu button it doesn't bother me.
I just hope that there would be an option to use the on screen buttons or the capacitive buttons when ICS is implemented. I just cant imagine why a big company like sony could have mislook this possible problem with the capacitive buttons.
Yeah, after having capacitive buttons on the original Nexus, and a few other devices they are all the same.
Sometimes a little inconsistent, and you just need to adapt to them. the S is no different.
Took me a day or so to get used to it.
Hopefully they just integrate the buttons into the ICS rom and don't bother with the screen ones.
Really, I don't get this whole "unresponsive capacitive button" thing.
They are responsive, it just takes getting used to. You find the sensor, you touch it, it works, it is responsive, but the dots just confuse people. You can't hit the buttons well because of big fingers or well you keep thinking its the silver dots? Use the swipe method.
They respond just fine it's not a matter of them needing to be more sensitive or larger, it's a matter of getting used to it. Part of the joys of having a new shiny device, learning how to use it .
And if ICS brings the onscreen buttons, I will disable it, because I can use my "unresponsive capacitive buttons" perfectly fine, and don't want to lose screen space.
i really hope they remove the on screen buttons or atleast have an option to tun them off, it will just look out of place having two sets of the same fuctioning buttons.
shmoejoe said:
Really, I don't get this whole "unresponsive capacitive button" thing.
They are responsive, it just takes getting used to. You find the sensor, you touch it, it works, it is responsive, but the dots just confuse people. You can't hit the buttons well because of big fingers or well you keep thinking its the silver dots? Use the swipe method.
They respond just fine it's not a matter of them needing to be more sensitive or larger, it's a matter of getting used to it. Part of the joys of having a new shiny device, learning how to use it .
And if ICS brings the onscreen buttons, I will disable it, because I can use my "unresponsive capacitive buttons" perfectly fine, and don't want to lose screen space.
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I totally agree, since I had this Phone i never experienced unresponsive buttons or something, and its my first phone with capacitive buttons.
I simply swipe upwards. It's not a huge movement, just a fraction of an inch.
Took about a day to get used to it, quite like it now.
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Hope no! That would take realstate of the screen. I got used to the tiny buttons ....
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shmoejoe said:
Really, I don't get this whole "unresponsive capacitive button" thing.
They are responsive, it just takes getting used to. You find the sensor, you touch it, it works, it is responsive, but the dots just confuse people. You can't hit the buttons well because of big fingers or well you keep thinking its the silver dots? Use the swipe method.
They respond just fine it's not a matter of them needing to be more sensitive or larger, it's a matter of getting used to it. Part of the joys of having a new shiny device, learning how to use it .
And if ICS brings the onscreen buttons, I will disable it, because I can use my "unresponsive capacitive buttons" perfectly fine, and don't want to lose screen space.
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Razje said:
I totally agree, since I had this Phone i never experienced unresponsive buttons or something, and its my first phone with capacitive buttons.
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out of interest, do either of you use a screen protector?
I have the one that came factory installed, and yes it is actually a screen protector, it's clearly visible from closeup.
Phone comes with a screen protector already on.
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Amazing hint
Sliding the buttons instead touching really gaves a warm nd better feeling as well as all the issues people arr having with touch buttons are gone!!!
I think sony made it sliding only but didn't mentioned anywhere!
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Another way to get more responsitive buttons is to remove the screen protector from the buttons area... they get a little bit more responsive...
I had a Nexus S and when CM9 (ICS) came to that it just didn't have the on-screen buttons. I'm 99% sure that'll be the case on this phone.
At first I thought having the Navigation controls in AOKP enabled was pretty damn cool but I have to admit, even at their smallest height (dp), I still prefer to have the capacitive. I simply hate losing ANY screen real estate. Just wanted to get some other opinions. I know there's a way to get them to temporarily hide but it didn't seem to work as flawlessly as I was hoping...
I still use the cap buttons - although I turned off the backlighting.
Capacitive. It doesn't make sense to use on screen buttons unless the phone was designed for it.
I switch back and forth because I like the one-click option for my recent apps with the on-screen buttons as opposed to the long-press with the capacitive ones. But I do like the capacitive buttons more because they don't take up any screen real estate.
When I get a phone that doesn't trade screen area for functionality that's already present, (or close enough) I'll let you know. Until then, I'll be rockin' my capacitive buttons.
I prefer capacitive. It seems redundant having two sets of buttons that do the same thing right on top of each other!
Cap buttons. The nav bar takes away screen real state.
mgd76 said:
When I get a phone that doesn't trade screen area for functionality that's already present, (or close enough) I'll let you know. Until then, I'll be rockin' my capacitive buttons.
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Couldnt agree more. I tried the navigation buttons and was really surprised how much it bothered me that I was missing that little bit of room on the screen.
cap button , no use wasting screen real estate , have never used them . Even when cap buttons were not working i was using LMT
mgd76 said:
When I get a phone that doesn't trade screen area for functionality that's already present, (or close enough) I'll let you know. Until then, I'll be rockin' my capacitive buttons.
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I'll happily use on screen buttons when the bezel is smaller than capacitive buttons.
Look at the ONE X (why they didn't just do 4 buttons and have menu I don't get), its the same physical size as the galaxy nexus, with a bigger screen, and still fit buttons in the bezel. So you actually use the whole screen, until HTC's shortsightenedness of no menu key catches up. Not to derail the thread, but I think that is a huge oversight. To have a foot in both camps: capacituve and on screen buttons.
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Cap buttons all the way but from what i can tell from supposed looks of sgs 3 most phones will probably do away with cap buttons once ics is the norm on all new phones
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I like em both.. prefer cap buttons because of the native search button.. almost a must for me. Nice shortcut!
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cap most definitely. I really dont like that nav bar at all.
I hate the cap buttons but losing screen space is worse to me right now
Cap buttons. The way it was designed.
Looking over your shoulder...
Cap.
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Glad I didn't create a poll... haha
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Seriously, there was a thread not long ago about disabling the cap buttons completely so you could use the on-screen buttons...I read that thread and was like, wtf? Why would you waste screen space on buttons when the phone already has them in hardware? Doesn't make any sense to me, but to each his own I guess.
Appearance wise the nav bar is much nicer. Usefulness is also greater with the nav bar because you can customize it. But because we already have cap buttons it just feels like a waste. At the end of the day i'd probably prefer a gnexus setup
Capacitive...unless they were not there at all.
Monday, August 20, 2012
XDA Members:
I am testing the water to guage the level of interest in potentially developing a special Galaxy S III case which conceals the capacitive and home buttons of the device for use with ROMs that have had the on-screen navigation buttons enabled. In essence, this case would perform a compound function. First, and most obvious, the case will protect the device from scuffs, scratches, and drops. Second, and much less obvious, the case will conceal the capacitive and home buttons on the bottom of the Galaxy S III. The purpose of this is to give devices with on-screen buttons enabled a seamless and cohesive appearance (Much like the sleek and seamless appearance of the Galaxy Nexus). As things currently stand, enabling on-screen buttons on the Galaxy S III gives the screen a much more AOSP-like appearance. However, even though the screen has a sleek, AOSP-like appearance, the device itself looks a little confusing. Even if you go through the trouble of completely disabling the device's physical/capacitive navigation buttons, they're still there just looking like a group of confused geeks at a bar trying to work up the guts to go buy a girl a drink. They look "out of place." With this proposed case, the physical/capacitive navigation buttons would no longer be an issue.
Now, those of you who find this interesting should note two things. First, this project is a concept only at this point. There are no drawings, mockups, or prototypes. Second, if we are to proceed with this and begin developing a case, it will take a lot of work and all interested parties will be expected to contribute.
So, if any of you are still interested, please feel free to chime in and let me know what you think.
Thank you,
Ed (Mister_Mxyzptlk)
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Anyone?
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The physical home button looks sexy on GS3 though a bit annoying having to press it each time. Don't you think is a bit odd to cover it up.
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If you're not using it, not at all. An unused button isn't sexy. It's pointless. So if you've enabled on-screen buttons in your ROM, this case will cover and conceal your physical nav buttons since they're not being used.
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I personally don't see the point in going out of your way to disable the functionality of buttons that are *already* there and then take up precious screen real estate to add them there instead.
Having a tactile home button is nice since you can feel where it is and when you're pressing it. The other capacitive buttons work just fine too.
factor27 said:
I personally don't see the point in going out of your way to disable the functionality of buttons that are *already* there and then take up precious screen real estate to add them there instead.
Having a tactile home button is nice since you can feel where it is and when you're pressing it. The other capacitive buttons work just fine too.
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I wouldn't call anything about the Samsung button scheme "just fine". Why the hell do I have to hold my home button for three seconds to access my recent apps when Android has supported a dedicated app switcher button since HC? If anything, it's archaic. I don't like the idea of losing screen real estate either, but I want a "pure" AOSP experience.
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Am I the only one who wants on screen buttons over the hardware ones? If I knew how to do it I would, but it seems like it should be a simple tweak, has anyone done this yet?
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Am I the only one who wants on screen buttons over the hardware ones? If I knew how to do it I would, but it seems like it should be a simple tweak, has anyone done this yet?
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Maybe an app can do the task. As far as using the AOSP flavor of buttons? Won't happen. Sense framework won't allow it, pretty much. Same reason why we can't use the crt animation.
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I like the hardware buttons...on screen is cool but take to much space on your screen.
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Seems redundant and ununnecessary when you have hardware buttons already.
Itzvik said:
I like the hardware buttons...on screen is cool but take to much space on your screen.
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the 5" screen is huge, and can sometimes make using it with one hand a little hard. The on screen keys disappear when they need to, like looking at pictures or watching videos, other than that, its just like using a 4.7" screen or something around that. When using the phone with one hand it can be a little difficult to stretch your thumb all the way down to the hardware buttons without having to readjust how your are hold the phone in your hand, they are badly placed on the bottom like that.
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the 5" screen is huge, and can sometimes make using it with one hand a little hard. The on screen keys disappear when they need to, like looking at pictures or watching videos, other than that, its just like using a 4.7" screen or something around that. When using the phone with one hand it can be a little difficult to stretch your thumb all the way down to the hardware buttons without having to readjust how your are hold the phone in your hand, they are badly placed on the bottom like that.
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Either you have small hands or are holding your phone weird. I have average size hands and I can reach the hw buttons and the whole screen except like a quarter of an inch at the top left without readjusting my hand.
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Bigandrewgold said:
Either you have small hands or are holding your phone weird. I have average size hands and I can reach the hw buttons and the whole screen except like a quarter of an inch at the top left without readjusting my hand.
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nope, regular hands, its just the phone is so tall that its sometimes a pain with how they placed the buttons at the absolute bottom of the phone.
I'm curious where people rank the rear buttons on the G2 in practice. If you have the phone and have been using it a reasonable amount of time, what's your take on the button placement compared to typical placements of the keys on the side/top etc.
I would prefer side ones. I can't tell which is which on the Verizon version and have to flip the phone around to see
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love them. much better than top/side buttons. it just makes sense.
I absolutely love the buttons on the back. For me, the buttons, thin bezel and knock-knock feature all make for a unique and fun experience. Love it.
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I rarely use the buttons at all anymore..... But, the few instances I do, I have to turn the phone over because the Verizon ones are so small. I prefer power on the right, volume on the left.
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ffejy462 said:
I rarely use the buttons at all anymore..... But, the few instances I do, I have to turn the phone over because the Verizon ones are so small. I prefer power on the right, volume on the left.
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Thank god for Knock-On, because I rarely touch the volume keys (Tasker automates it for me for most situations) and I have a Power button on my AOKP navbar as I usually avoid the power buttons on phones so I don't wear the out (usually do volume-wake).
the rear keys are extremely useful when i listen to music with wired third party earphone; while my phone is in my pocket, and i want to skip/rewind the songs.
i just put the rear side facing outside, and whenever i feel like changing the song, the button is always within reach without pulling the phone out of my pocket.
unlike most phones with side volume/power key.
and of course i used gravity box to enable those functions.
Rear buttons: fully functional, no accidentally pressing volume n power when holding the sides of phone anymore, easier to take selfie snapshots, knock knock reduces the power button from getting worn out fast, power button doubles as a notification light and glows during a phone call (looks cool at night) and also makes the phone unique (if you're into that).
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They're cool but taking a screenshot is a pain.
SmiLey497 said:
They're cool but taking a screenshot is a pain.
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I always use QuickMemo to take screen shots.
Absolutely love them. I have a case so I keep my index finger on the edge of the button cutout (essentially making sure my finger is by default on the volume down) and then I can easily find which button is which without thinking twice. My hands aren't that big and it's still very comfortable. My dad was a bit skeptical about it and he picked up the phone and noticed his finger just went to the buttons and realized it actually makes sense and isn't just a gimmicky idea.
I would like to see rear buttons as a rule in future phones.
Using for a week and quite comfortable with them. I love knock-on. Problem trying to zoom in camera though!!
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Definitely more love.
1) I constantly use a Bluetooth headphone so adjust the volume while the phone is in my front pocket is easy
2) Knock knock is way too cool
3) I seldom even use the power button at all with so much convenience built into the G2 stock UI (Korean F320S) Anyway Kit Kat is out for F320S
What back buttons?
Honestly, I don't even notice the back buttons since I use the knock knock feature.
The only times I used the buttons is for volume adjustment when I'm watching a video. Even then, I don't even see it as an inconvenience.
I have slight OCD so I avoid using the buttons so they don't waste. They seem as if the paint would rub off after to much use.
kolembo said:
Using for a week and quite comfortable with them. I love knock-on. Problem trying to zoom in camera though!!
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I thought the "Take picture with power button" function in the stock ROM was hilarious; who could possibly do that? Selfies I guess, but using the rear camera, that'd be almost impossible with any kind of normal position on the phone.
Esteef said:
Honestly, I don't even notice the back buttons since I use the knock knock feature.
The only times I used the buttons is for volume adjustment when I'm watching a video. Even then, I don't even see it as an inconvenience.
I have slight OCD so I avoid using the buttons so they don't waste. They seem as if the paint would rub off after to much use.
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I have to agree. Knock-on is one of the most unexpectedly awesome (for me at least) features I've had in a phone in a long time, and I almost never use my power button.
I must say that it's a good thing knock-on is great though, cause the button layout on my VS980 is terrible. It seems like a simple fix like moving the power button next to the volume buttons would have fixed this, and made the buttons more distinct feeling. Putting it in the middle of the volume buttons make it impossible to tell which button you are pressing.
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They're cool but taking a screenshot is a pain.
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i find it much easier. i use my one index finger to hold down both power and volume and bam, pic taken, nice and simple.
I absolutely love those bastards at the back of the phone. First because it allows the bezel to be almost non existent and 2 cause it gives the phone an identity. I love them.
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really awesome, I love them so much