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How is the Flash Player, was it upgraded to 10?? Adobe site won't support update as you know. You can't even go on youtube and play anything in their normal web page version. It tells you that you have to upgrade the flash player. Youtube only works via the mobile site version, which I don't like, as you don't have the facility to re-arrange the search to 'most recent', and even on those lists plenty don't play for me. Has anyone gone on to the normal youtube and had any joy playing it from their pages as opposed to the HTC viewer? Since the update?
The flash player was not updated, but I have no issues playing videos in either the mobile or desktop version of the site. However, I seldom use either because the quality is not as good as that in the YouTube application.
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Dave
That's really strange, it's never let me view them from the desktop version, Always says I need to upgrade my flash........ which of course it won't let me do.
Have you applied the update yet? As far as I'm aware there were no updates to Flash (it certainly isn't Flash 10 yet), but it is possible some changes were made elsewhere.
Regards,
Dave
Thank you Dave, No I've not done it yet, wouldn't actually know where to start as of yet.
Even in the HTC youtube app there are many vids it won't play.
Can you give an example that I can find, so I can test it out on my Hero. Thus far, I've not found anything that doesn't play but then again I'm hardly a prolific YouTuber!
Cheers,
Dave
anything from the desk top version of youtube always says, you must upgrade your flash player, links to Adobe, then the usual... too many server redirects message that I always get no matter which site diverted me there
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/30/hp-touchpad-will-receive-ota-udpate-for-added-functionality/
HP may have abandoned the TouchPad, but that apparently won't stop the company from issuing a post-mortem OTA update for its webOS tablet. Yesterday, an HP spokesperson confirmed to CNET that "HP TouchPad owners can look forward to an over-the-air update that will enhance the platform and add functionality and a growing applications catalog." The rep didn't offer any specifics, but reaffirmed that HP remains "fully committed to the ongoing support and service of customers who purchased webOS devices." The news comes on the heels of a Quickoffice HD update that dropped yesterday, and at a time when TouchPads are selling like hotcakes -- which probably explains HP's decision to issue a tweak. Indeed, the company went on to say that it's seen "huge spikes in activations and between 3-5X downloads of apps," since the TouchPad fire sale first launched.
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[Q] New Touchpad OTA update safe?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20099049-64/hp-update-to-boost-touchpad-functionality/
Doesn't say exactly when this update will be available. Is it safe to assume that we shouldn't accept the update, if given the option, if we're planning on eventually flashing Android port?
Good question.
I was also wondering if the folks who actually wanted to stay with web os, will the homebrew patches and kernel have to be re-written to work on the updated firmware?
Given that it just says "a future update" with not even a vague indication of *when* that might be, I don't think it's something that we should fret over for now
PiZauL said:
Good question.
I was also wondering if the folks who actually wanted to stay with web os, will the homebrew patches and kernel have to be re-written to work on the updated firmware?
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it depends how drastic the changes are.. i have a feeling the update won't be anything major...
This isn't iOS. The updates don't ever do anything in theory to close down the OS, other than required security hole fixes. Anything you could do prior to the update, you can do after. The webOS doctor is what is probably going to become hijacked for allowing Android installations, and this in theory, will never stop working. Remember, we have always been able to recover a "bricked" device through the webOS Doctor; unlike the many other platforms available. Also, it has been close to 2 years since we had to remove all patches prior to updating. I'd suggest waiting 24 hours, if you can, to verify. Patches and homebrew should not be broken in the update.
One thing they should fix is the browser. Upgrade their libraries up to the level Honeycomb 3.2 or iOS 5 (all of which is open source) to improve the performance (especially JavaScript) and support more HTML5 standards (like SVG). They should also allow users to modify their user agent string to the iPad UA via a hack, so all tablet-oriented websites display as they are meant to.
Although the Touchpad browser is not horrible, it could do a lot better compared to the Android and iOS browsers which are based on WebKit as well. Having an awesome browser could give this tablet much more life while just running webOS with web apps!
DCKing said:
One thing they should fix is the browser. Upgrade their libraries up to the level Honeycomb 3.2 or iOS 5 (all of which is open source) to improve the performance (especially JavaScript) and support more HTML5 standards (like SVG). They should also allow users to modify their user agent string to the iPad UA via a hack, so all tablet-oriented websites display as they are meant to.
Although the Touchpad browser is not horrible, it could do a lot better compared to the Android and iOS browsers which are based on WebKit as well. Having an awesome browser could give this tablet much more life while just running webOS with web apps!
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I feel this brower is just as good if not better than the android browser. I had issues with some links and pages on my android tablet but they work perfect on my touchpad
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i imagine the update will bring things like a native ebook reader or an updated marketplace, nothing radical like a fully skinned version of honeycomb
I too hope for some improvements to the browser, there are a few issues with it, nothing tragic but irritating enough at times.
OTA Update = Android Honeycomb?
Maybe????
It could happen.
(I'm such a troll today)
maybe we will get more than a ota, maybe actual support for webos.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/30/hp-may-resurrect-touchpad-head-of-pc-business-says/
Basic first.
Sound loss and Wifi problems.
Now if we want to go Fancy.
Rotation while playing phone apps is always portrait.
Youtube full screen is up side down (if using a case)
speed up calendar.
speed up photo "fine" loading.
browser minor issues.
Cursor issues.
Do not accept. If they are designing the Android for 3.0.2 then leave it. It's only a matter of a Week before an Alpha is available from Cyanogen.
Android, that way they can collect the $1600. Hell, they have to make back the stock money they lost somehow
I'm thinking the OTA will just be Homebrew/Preware kind of stuff and maybe some new apps.
However, a tabbed browser and a VNC client that works would make me really happy.
Don't Know why people knock the browser. I feel that the WebOS browser is honestly the best mobile browser I have EVER used functionality wise... Never before on a tablet or tablet-like device have I not had to fiddle with user-agent settings and such to get where I need to go... So far only one site has failed on the Touchpad... Hulu, And we all know why that doesn't work...
Other Note: I would laugh if the OTA was just to pre-install preware and homebrew ability... (although it would be a BIG smack in the face of apple, Who leaves their old products to rot instead of supporting them like HP has so far.)
Then again, I find WebOS in general to be the best Mobile OS ever made, And also the best Mobile OS killed before its time...
c01e said:
Don't Know why people knock the browser. I feel that the WebOS browser is honestly the best mobile browser I have EVER used functionality wise... Never before on a tablet or tablet-like device have I not had to fiddle with user-agent settings and such to get where I need to go... So far only one site has failed on the Touchpad... Hulu, And we all know why that doesn't work...
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The caching issues make browsing forums a nightmare.
Also, Gmail doesn't work in the browser.
c01e said:
Don't Know why people knock the browser. I feel that the WebOS browser is honestly the best mobile browser I have EVER used functionality wise... Never before on a tablet or tablet-like device have I not had to fiddle with user-agent settings and such to get where I need to go... So far only one site has failed on the Touchpad... Hulu, And we all know why that doesn't work...
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I have to agree that functionally, it's an excellent browser. It's just that internally (performance en compatibility with technologies) it's not quite as great as Safari in iOS 4 or the Honeycomb browser. Check this link to see what I mean.
The reason why it's important is that by the end of the year all webOS support for native apps will have definitely dried up, which means that webOS users will have to rely on web apps. Web apps can be freaking amazing if the browser supports the latest technology and has good JavaScript performance. Although the Touchpad is not bad there, it should be doable for HP to update its performance and compatibility to the level of iOS 5.
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The caching issues make browsing forums a nightmare.
Also, Gmail doesn't work in the browser.
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+ 1 trying to browse forums can be terrible. Constantly have to use the refresh button.
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i just saw an update on my prime for adobe flash player. i always check the description but i figured it would just be bug fixes. this is what the changelog says on the market
This update to Adobe Flash Player 11 includes compatibility with Android 4 supported devices, performance improvements and bug fixes related to security and stability. The complete set of release notes can be found at: http://adobe.ly/s16mAX.
i checked the update date to see if i was just late to the party. it shows feb 15th. if you go to the market on pc, itll show jan 16th though.
maybe this will help out with flash in chrome beta since its now officially supporting 4.0? i have not tested this yet, literally saw this moments ago and thought to share
I think I saw that adobe literally came out and said specifically that flash was not and would not be supported with chrome beta for android 4.0. I may have misunderstood. Quite frankly I hope I did misunderstand because day don't make no sense to me at all.
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Chrome is still not supported. Adobe said it will never be supported, thus Chrome on android for the next few years, is a dead browser.
You forget, flash on android will no longer be officially supported either. Time to stop making fun of the iCrowds dead product too.
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thus Chrome on android for the next few years, is a dead browser.
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WRONG.
Adobe is going to stop supporting flash for mobile devices after Android 4, so EVERY browser will probably lose flash in the coming versions of Android.
Not having flash in Chrome for Android makes sense. Why would they invest the time/money on a feature that's on its way out anyways?
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html
Adobe's own words.
"We will no longer continue to develop Flash Player in the browser to work with new mobile device configurations (chipset, browser, OS version, etc.) following the upcoming release of Flash Player 11.1 for Android and BlackBerry PlayBook. We will of course continue to provide critical bug fixes and security updates for existing device configurations"
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/43152/flash-for-android-4-end-2011-no-flash-for-android-5
"Adobe will release one more version of the Flash Player for mobile browsing, which will provide support for Android 4.0, and one more release of the Flash Linux Porting Kit - both expected to be released before the end of this year," a company spokesperson told us."
"Adobe's statements however, also mean that future updates to the Google Android OS - Android 5.0, for example - won't be getting Flash support:
"After that time, Adobe will continue to provide critical bug fixes and security updates," the company added."
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tush said:
WRONG.
Adobe is going to stop supporting flash for mobile devices after Android 4, so EVERY browser will probably lose flash in the coming versions of Android.
Not having flash in Chrome for Android makes sense. Why would they invest the time/money on a feature that's on its way out anyways?
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The majority of content is still Flash. HTML5 will lag for years. Chrome on Android was DOA because of lack of Flash, period.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Flash is ****ing garbage. As a developer, I could list them for you, but who cares as it is dying off!!!!
Bring on HTML 5.
Moving away from flash is fine, heck I welcome it; just need a major player to dump support for it so that the internet starts to actually move away from it. If Microsoft said that it would dump flash from IE, we'd have a sure fire winner right there.
Andreas527 said:
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html
Adobe's own words.
"We will no longer continue to develop Flash Player in the browser to work with new mobile device configurations (chipset, browser, OS version, etc.) following the upcoming release of Flash Player 11.1 for Android and BlackBerry PlayBook. We will of course continue to provide critical bug fixes and security updates for existing device configurations"
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/43152/flash-for-android-4-end-2011-no-flash-for-android-5
"Adobe will release one more version of the Flash Player for mobile browsing, which will provide support for Android 4.0, and one more release of the Flash Linux Porting Kit - both expected to be released before the end of this year," a company spokesperson told us."
"Adobe's statements however, also mean that future updates to the Google Android OS - Android 5.0, for example - won't be getting Flash support:
"After that time, Adobe will continue to provide critical bug fixes and security updates," the company added."
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cool, thank you!
Tekara said:
Moving away from flash is fine, heck I welcome it; just need a major player to dump support for it so that the internet starts to actually move away from it. If Microsoft said that it would dump flash from IE, we'd have a sure fire winner right there.
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Unfortunately a lot of stuff is still based on flash and on a tablet I use the desktop useragent which means any browser that doesn't have flash support doesn't have a place in my app drawer. Everyone complains about it, even websites like Android Central complain about it yet they still use it. Maybe if they would actually start using something else Flash would die. Until that happens Flash is a necessary part of a browser and any browser that doesn't have it is lacking even if it is made by the almighty Google. The mere fact that Flash will continue on desktop means that there will ALWAYS be a need for it on a tablet or a phone because people browse the same internet on a tablet or phone as they do on their home computers.
Lock-N-Load said:
Flash is ****ing garbage. As a developer, I could list them for you, but who cares as it is dying off!!!!
Bring on HTML 5.
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You're right, bring on HTML5...but a lot of news sites, facebook and other sites use flash players or embed youtube to display video content. Also: Using Flash you can use high quality h264 codec's, and this codec can not be used in HTML5 in most browsers, so you're stuck with higher bandwidth/lower quality video's then in Flash.
Thus...at the moment, I really need flash support in my browser.
yeah there are a handful of sites that use html5 video and to be honest it looks sub-par compared to the same video loaded in flash.... just go to a site using ipad useragent then go to the same site using desktop, no contest. This is main reason i don't use chrome for android.
I haven't been using Chrome as well, but I'm holding onto it. I set up my vacation in Chrome on a trial run and I loved how well it responded to mobile versions of websites such as Expedia. Very zippy.
But no desktop user agent doesn't make it a winner in my book.
Who wants to open another browser just to watch an embedded video? to bad too since chrome for android is very nice.
I hope the internet catches up.. If adobe does not want to support mobile devices then they should retire flash all together.
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Who wants to open another browser just to watch an embedded video? to bad too since chrome for android is very nice.
I hope the internet catches up.. If adobe does not want to support mobile devices then they should retire flash all together.
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Flash is ****ing garbage. As a developer, I could list them for you, but who cares as it is dying off!!!!
Bring on HTML 5.
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You can't be much of a web developer with this attitude....
HTML5 is the future, but it is nowhere near ready for prime time yet. How do you deliver videos with variable bitrates? How do you deliver videos with content protection? YOU CAN'T. There is no support for these CRUCIAL features in any of the HTML5 standards. On top of this, even the CURRENT "standard" has no definition for video codecs, and there is no single codec available that will make your videos playable in all browsers, since they are all doing their own thing.
If you want any of..
- Cross platform video
- Video that will be able to play on low-bandwidth mobile AND high-bandwidth desktop
- Video that has copyright protections. Yes I hate them as much as the next guy, but it is a simple fact that a lot of publishers will not allow content without copyright protections.
.. then you currently HAVE NO CHOICE but to use flash.
All these people trying to get rid of flash today, are putting the cart before the horse. Chrome on Android *is* going to be a non-event if it doesn't support flash because 3/4 of the web nowadays has video content that needs one or more of the above capabilities. Hell, even Google's own embedded YouTube videos will not play in browsers without flash! How dumb can you get here. They could AT LEAST be linking off to the external YouTube player for these videos.
Google needs to make the Chrome plugin API compatible with the stock Android plugin API, to get them over this hoop for the next year or so while HTML5 fills all these gaps it needs to fill before developers can move to it.
It's no developers fault that they wouldn't agree to have a single codec, it's just our job to live with it .
The bitrates and copy protection are the best points you put forward, although everyone I've seen make a stink about it both, didn't choose flash: they
chose Silverlight for their products.
Your "Cross platform" solution also tends to omit whatever platforms they feel like or offer significant issues with platforms they try to support. Enough so that for non-Windows users, no flash can often be a serious selling point for a web site versus it's competitors.
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I dont care if flash dies... But atm many many sites i use (starcraft 2 streams for example) require flash. So i need it.
If flash is soo bad and aweful why is it all over the net? I dont care about the codec behind the videos i watch, i couldnt care less I'm all for unification and making one codec as a standard so everyone can be happy... But i just want it to work. Without issues. On all my pages. Thats all i'm asking. Atm flash is doing that on my prime pretty well. So i'm fine with it. I'm fine with it when it makes room for something else that works equal or better.
Only thing the devs should try to prevent: Content that cant be used by people that want it to use but cant because of some ****ty codec or because of some company fooling around like a 4 year old.
Flash is dying and they work on the HTML5 and everything is okay. But will chrome become a system app in other versions like 5.0 or whatever? I don't think so. The stock browser already syncs the bookmarks.. Maybe not the history but who cares, just bookmark the page you want to save and you're done. Actually right now I use chrome because it blocks popups and it zooms when you click small text and for the better HTML5 support.. It is faster in some sites like xda, but why not an update to stock browser to have all these features? I don't understand Google, you could just change the name like you did on the android market, it is like having another market that is a little better and otherwise all the same.. I'm like dafuq?
As much as I love google and all their wonderful services, I still haven't been converted to the Chrome fandom.
On my PCs I'm happy with Firefox, and on my phone I like to use Dolphin HD.
I switched from the stock browser over to Dolphin back on my first Android because the stock browser had some features or behaviours that I didn't like. I don't know if it's been improved since then, but Dolphon continues to meet my needs very well.
Chrome is still beta, but I imagine in the long term Google will replace the default browser with Chrome. Android compiled from source will probably have the browser called Chromium. The biggest problem with Chrome on Android now is there is no user agent option, and I would also like to see add-ons working.
Flash is like the VGA port, its obsolete but still used a lot. All new laptops include the VGA port even though DVI/HDMI is newer and better. Reason being there are still a lot of projectors deployed with VGA only. The same reason flash is on Android is because a lot of websites are still flash and not HTML5. It will be sad to see flash leave Android.
So you mean that the chrome for android is at the play store just to try it? On the wikipedia it says that the stock browser is "coupled with Chrome's V8 JavaScript engine" and it really is fast, just missing some features.. an update would be done but what google does is creating another app.. Why? To try it and then they will replace it? That sounds stupid, they already have a great browser, I feel like google is just playing with us ;p
Well Google Chrome as it is is not open source. So it won't be included in AOSP. The stock browser on the other hand is an open source component like the rest of AOSP. But like spunker88 said, in the long term the stock browser may be replaced by Chromium, which is the open source version of Chrome available for Linux.
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Sure, but that wasn't what I asked. Google chrome for android is almost the same with the stock browser, what I asked is why do they create another app but not update the stock browser.
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Sure, but that wasn't what I asked. Google chrome for android is almost the same with the stock browser, what I asked is why do they create another app but not update the stock browser.
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They are not really creating another app, just porting the existing Chrome browser to Android. Its possible that in the future if it becomes the stock browser updates will be done directly from Google similar to Google Play. Also on Google's end instead of having to do a bunch of separate work on the stock browser, Chrome could be compiled from source so that any updates done to the desktop edition are immediately available for Android.
Google is not like you and me. They don't need to make it easier and change the whole browser just to make them update at the same time. I don't even think that they ported it because then it wouldn't be beta and work so fast. And the stock browser is already coupled with Chrome's V8 JavaScript engine.They can make the stock browser to update like Google Play too, right?
I'm pretty sure that only now are they allowed to make Chrome the stock browser, after their little privacy policy change allowing all data to be used across all platforms. Before hand it was not allowed because it was considered a monopoly and therefore they had to remain separate companies. Otherwise Google Search for example would have Chrome come up top when you search the word "browser" but it doesn't.
I may be wrong and maybe it is still considered a monopoly and therefore banned by the competition commission. Most of their divisions have had to remain as separate companies because of this, otherwise they would have a HUGE control over most markets if it was all one company in the sense of how they work. When I say separate companies I mean they have to all work independently, they cannot all work together and they can't take advantage of their position. I gave the example above of searching for browser and not getting Chrome come up top.
The stock browser is fantastic and I may actually revert back to using it. I'm using the Chrome beta and the minute and it still doesn't feel great but that's because it is still a beta. They really improved the browser in 4.0.
Hi everyone
I'm looking forward to buy a new phone and i'm stuck between lovely lumia 920 and iphone 5
Can u guys give me a quick review about negative points of this phone? I mean in your own opinion.
And what are possible ways to install apps ,free or paid, on this phone?
Tnx so much
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I am going to answer simply becuase I am courteous. The MS store is just like the Android Market or the iPhone app store. There are paid apps and free apps. Although most of the better stuff has to be paid for and the prices run from about 2 bucks and up.
Negative points? Hmm let me think...... It's not an iPhone.. Seriously, why would you want to be a sheeple? Nearly everyone and their mother owns an iPhone. Be original..
Seriously though our views of this phone are all subjective.. For example if you read some of the gripes posted such as the light leak which only shows from and extreme angle that you would never look from, or the creaking sound when you press on or flex the case which you should not be doing, or the shade of difference between the white of the display and the capacitive button back lights. These to me are all trivial things and just sounds like disgruntled buyer having remorse for some reason and now are picking the phone apart.
For me who has owned several models of HTC, Motorola, Nokia, and have had experience helping to program and update some Samsung devices, I have to say the L920 is the best built, fastest and smoothest operating phone I have seen yet.
My only beef with the phone which i have posted a thread about is it's lack of having a Flash Player. You can not view embedded Flash media in websites. To view Youtube you have to install a third party app. Adobe no longer supports mobile devices as of last year. So this phone was built with the anticipation of all sites converting to HTML5 and doing away with Flash. However that may be some time and until sites you like convert, you may not be able to view them on this phone if the have flash content. Is this a deal breaker? For some maybe. For me had I known this before I bought it, it would have been a deal breaker. But I am now stuck with it and will just have to wait till YT and other site convert if they ever do. The plus is that no phone created past last year will have the ability to view flash with out third party apps. So this may prompt sites to convert faster.
actually, to view Youtube video, you don't really need to install third party app (MetroTube for example), YouTube mobile site support HTML5 itself, just like VEVO, VIMEO, ... Just browsing YouTube via IE on your phone and enjoy your favorite apps.
About installing apps, there are some ways (easy to use):
- using WindowsPhone (WP) store app: find your app and choose install.
- using WP store (web version):
+ find your app, choose install -> app will be sent to your phone (wirelessly) and installed automatically.
+ download app, copy to SD card and install from your phone.
- unlock your phone and install any apps you could find on the internet.