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FYI, Looks like PowerAmp is the first 3rd party music app to finally incorporate Beats. I just saw the update yesterday and updated. Officially the changelog says "HTC Beats/SRS support"
On the Volume screen there now a little button for Beats. I noticed a slight, not big, improvement in the sound, but that may be because I was already using a custom equalizer setting that seemed close to how Beats sounded in the stock player. (I use my Rezound hooked up to my Bose stereo in my car - haven't tried to check out the difference with headphones yet)
But PowerAmp is SO much more robust a player than the stock player (custom settings, lockscreen controls, keep screen on option while playing, etc, etc), so I can switch back to it now that is has Beats!
Thanks for the info.
I have a feeling that this is just a beats eq setting and has nothing to do with the beats software on the phone. I'm curious if phones without beats still have that option to turn it on. Regardless, good find and thanks for the heads up.
KORM via the beast known as the Rezound.
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to replicate the Beats algorithm. It does little more than equalization and some games with phasing and delay, and easy enough to discover using comparative analysis of a signal pre/post beats.
Seems to do a good job, though. I can't tell the difference between PowerAmp's beats setting and the hTC Beats algorithm.
I just switched back & forth multiple times between the stock player & PA (I have used the paid version for years) using the beats setting.
The PA beats setting is really nothing like the stock player with beats enabled.
jmorton10 said:
I just switched back & forth multiple times between the stock player & PA (I have used the paid version for years) using the beats setting.
The PA beats setting is really nothing like the stock player with beats enabled.
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Care to elaborate?
Also if a reputable Co. Sais they have a beats setting. I would imagine there would be some qualification before such a claim could be made. Is the beats logo being used by PA?
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Also if a reputable Co. Sais they have a beats setting. I would imagine there would be some qualification before such a claim could be made. Is the beats logo being used by PA?
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There is no beats logo and the setting is very hard to find.
When I enable the setting in PA, I can hear the difference but it doesn't make much of a difference at all IMHO. The beats setting in the stock app makes a MUCH bigger difference as long as your using a GB ROM.
if you are using an ICS ROM, Beats doesn't work well at all (in most ICS ROMs it doesn't work at all) so that's a different story.
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By the way, I am a big fan of beats. It is certainly possible to make PA sound very similar if you play with the EQ settings enough, but beats makes it so simple and it works with all my different headsets (I have quite a collection of them)
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By the way, I am a big fan of beats.
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Just curious what type of music you listen to.
Enabling Beats, SRS and the "Techno" EQ preset really made a big difference for me. Thanks for the heads up!
Well there may be some legitimacy to this. I just tested it out on the Thunderbolt and.........Nothing! Not even an option for it. So, is it as good as the stock player, I guess everyone will have to decide for themselves.
I am a little surprised that the beats logo doesn't appear in top bar when it's active on the Rezound.
KORM via the beast known as the Rezound.
Be careful of you stream audio to a Bluetooth enabled stereo. I had streaming issues (no streaming at all) all day today. Max replied to an email I sent him asking about this, stating that enabling beats through Poweramp on an HTC device will break bluetooth streaming.
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Volume+ has had a beats eq setting for a good minute now, at least a couple of weeks
I will try power amp for a little while to see which I like better. Power amps UI seems a little nicer. I forgot I bought it forever ago lol. Whoops probably didn't need to buy volume+ too lol.
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Volume+ has had a beats eq setting for a good minute now, at least a couple of weeks
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Are you talking about Volume Control + or a different app??
I have had VC+ for years but all I can see that doing is adjusting the volume??
Playerpro already had the htc processing as an option, not sure of beats. I dont use/want either though.
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I tried comparing PowerAmp with the Beats setting vs the stock player with Beats on my Bose car stereo on the way home from work yesterday playing some 320 kbps songs and the stock player seemed a tad cleaner in sound (slightly less bass too), so I may not be as keen on the PA update.
But once again, I'm using a custom equalizer setting on PA I set up awhile ago that I like, while now adding the Beats setting. Perhaps using another equalizer preset with the new Beats setting will be better, but I'll keep messing around with it. The Beats setting definitely made the PA sound slightly better than without it, but not sure if it's enough to make me switch back to PA at this point...
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I tried comparing PowerAmp with the Beats setting vs the stock player with Beats on my Bose car stereo on the way home from work yesterday playing some 320 kbps songs and the stock player seemed a tad cleaner in sound (slightly less bass too), so I may not be as keen on the PA update.
But once again, I'm using a custom equalizer setting on PA I set up awhile ago that I like, while now adding the Beats setting. Perhaps using another equalizer preset with the new Beats setting will be better, but I'll keep messing around with it. The Beats setting definitely made the PA sound slightly better than without it, but not sure if it's enough to make me switch back to PA at this point...
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I would think you need to turn off any EQing in PA before activating the Beats enhancement? How could you tell what the beats settings sound like if you are enhancing a already modified signal?
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Enabling Beats, SRS and the "Techno" EQ preset really made a big difference for me.
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LOL, I'll agreee that enabling all that certainly makes a big difference.
I just tried that & the sound was absolutely awful, but it's certainly a huge change............
I'm glad i bought this app 2 years only music player i use.
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Volume+ has had a beats eq setting for a good minute now, at least a couple of weeks
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That one is a mimic of beats or at least it says so somewhere in that app
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Anyway to get something like this Beats control panel like on HP Beats laptops like mine here. Really Beats on my laptop sound way more amazing then Beats on our Rezound.
Agreed, that would be nice.
My Son's LT has that panel also.
Honestly, I can't stand to use the stock Music player due to being stuck with either the Beats or HTC "enhancement" both of which only ever sounds like a bit of reverb and bass boost added, by different degrees. On decent high-end 'phones it just sounds like garbage. I'd feel suckered by the hype if I didn't already expect it to be empty hype.
The Rezound, on the other hand, is awesome.
I couldn't actually care less about beats, I bought the phone because I liked it. I have never really used the integrated beats software, I always use PowerAmp which is so much more advanced than most other music players.
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Honestly, I can't stand to use the stock Music player due to being stuck with either the Beats or HTC "enhancement" both of which only ever sounds like a bit of reverb and bass boost added, by different degrees. On decent high-end 'phones it just sounds like garbage. I'd feel suckered by the hype if I didn't already expect it to be empty hype.
The Rezound, on the other hand, is awesome.
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I like beats because in my car, until I finally upgrade my system, I get better sound through beats because it keeps the bass without the speakers giving out. Using my iPod I cannot listen to many songs as the speakers start to give out.
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I never listen to music on my phone because it is all in iTunes and is annoying to get around the drm and such
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con247 said:
I never listen to music on my phone because it is all in iTunes and is annoying to get around the drm and such
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Google Music all my music is on iTunes, also, but I can get it on my phone through google music. Keeps my sd card free too. Just an idea.
Ndaoud360 said:
Anyway to get something like this Beats control panel like on HP Beats laptops like mine here. Really Beats on my laptop sound way more amazing then Beats on our Rezound.
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I also would love to have an app like that, also what is the name Clock widget you are using?
RKnight1983 said:
I also would love to have an app like that, also what is the name Clock widget you are using?
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Go to htchome.org to download that clock widget.
brando56894 said:
I couldn't actually care less about beats, I bought the phone because I liked it. I have never really used the integrated beats software, I always use PowerAmp which is so much more advanced than most other music players.
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Have you tried Player Pro? I used to have PowerAmp and thought it was awesome but when I tried Player Pro, I found it even better. It sounds a lot better than beats audio and had some features I did not find in PowerAmp.
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Ndaoud360 said:
Anyway to get something like this Beats control panel like on HP Beats laptops like mine here. Really Beats on my laptop sound way more amazing then Beats on our Rezound.
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that would b tight!
I agree, I didn't buy this phone at first because of the Beats gimmicks but once I saw the specs and the news of ics coming to it plus BJ's Wholesale had them on sale for $99, I had to get two.
I used the iBeats earphones once and they absolutely sucked ass compared to my SkullCandy 50/50. Only thing is my 50/50's aren't Android compatible so out of its three headset buttons, only the middle play/pause works.
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I have a couple 10's in my car and Beat's makes a huge difference. But I do like stock player on my Galaxy tab because of the eq and I can make the bass soound alot better.
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GoldenCyn said:
I agree, I didn't buy this phone at first because of the Beats gimmicks but once I saw the specs and the news of ics coming to it plus BJ's Wholesale had them on sale for $99, I had to get two.
I used the iBeats earphones once and they absolutely sucked ass compared to my SkullCandy 50/50. Only thing is my 50/50's aren't Android compatible so out of its three headset buttons, only the middle play/pause works.
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Beats arent that great but saying that skullcandys are better is complete bull****
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Only thing is my 50/50's aren't Android compatible so out of its three headset buttons, only the middle play/pause works.
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If you install the app "headset button controller" you can regain all the functions of the 3 buttons.
The app works perfectly, I have about 30 different sets of earbuds/headphones & 99% of them are only "iphone compatible" so I use this app every single day.
I originally installed it to use with my Beats Studios & my Bose QC15's but I quickly realized it works with ANY headphone set.
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Beats arent that great but saying that skullcandys are better is complete bull****
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It's all a matter of opinon of course, but I would have to agree & I have a set of each kicking around somewhere.
Wendemixda said:
Have you tried Player Pro? I used to have PowerAmp and thought it was awesome but when I tried Player Pro, I found it even better. It sounds a lot better than beats audio and had some features I did not find in PowerAmp.
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This is definitely a matter of preference but I tried both Player Pro and Poweramp and I have found the sound is EXACTLY the same on both players. They both utilize the same 10 band EQ. Poweramp even gives you the option to turn on Beats, which I find to be unnecessary. In the end, the only difference is the UI - I had already purchased Poweramp so there was no need for Player Pro, but the sound, I found, was exactly the same after tweaking. I'm sticking with Poweramp
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This is definitely a matter of preference but I tried both Player Pro and Poweramp and I have found the sound is EXACTLY the same on both players.
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I agree & I have both apps.
I much prefer PowerAmp also.
Im pretty sure that WinAmp for android has a fort of EQ i dont use it but i have ehard good things about it. Hopefully this helps you
con247 said:
I never listen to music on my phone because it is all in iTunes and is annoying to get around the drm and such
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Con man just download google play music on your lap top sync all your music from you iTunes folder to it and you can stream or save some or all for offline listening works great. And its good about staying up to date
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Power amp helps with headphones but I would never use it in my car. I can't stand the sound of an analog input. I hate to admit it but I use an iPod, reformatted, no compression, flat eq. I let my fosgate 3sixty.2 perform all the magic.
I do not know if any of you know how good the Zune HD's sound quality is, but I was wondering if it is possible to get the same kind of quality on our 3D. I know the quality depends on the DAC and circuity from what Ive read, but our phone's hardware is more recent and therefore I assume it has to have better parts than the Zune's. Would it be possible to create an app or a background service that can give the same quality?
Unfortunately htc probably didn't spend the money on the audio hardware. Poweramp, volune+, dsp manager, and beats mods improve sound (depending who you ask). There are other apps but nothing that revolutionary.
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Juan685 said:
I do not know if any of you know how good the Zune HD's sound quality is, but I was wondering if it is possible to get the same kind of quality on our 3D. I know the quality depends on the DAC and circuity from what Ive read, but our phone's hardware is more recent and therefore I assume it has to have better parts than the Zune's. Would it be possible to create an app or a background service that can give the same quality?
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You have two choices to get the best sound possible on your 3D:
1. Buy Poweramp
2. Install "Android Revolution HD" ROM and flash Beats on it.
As someone who owns a Zune HD, I understand exactly what you are talking about. It's audio quality is simply unmatched. I still carry mine around, it's small enough that it fits in that little "sub-pocket" that most jeans tend to have on the right pocket.
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Unfortunately htc probably didn't spend the money on the audio hardware. Poweramp, volune+, dsp manager, and beats mods improve sound (depending who you ask). There are other apps but nothing that revolutionary.
Couldn't we create something to imitate the same sound as that of the Zune, if Volume + can emulate Beats audio why couldn't we create something similar. Plus I think if can get Chad's kernel with the improved sound drivers I am sure it can surpass that quality and make it audiophile acceptable.
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You have two choices to get the best sound possible on your 3D:
1. Buy Poweramp
2. Install "Android Revolution HD" ROM and flash Beats on it.
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I think Ive done that in the past, I had Poweramp with beats enabled and Chad's kernel on top of that with the better drivers. It sounded great, even the htc's music app sounded better than with just stock Beats. However, Im still fiending for that Zune quality! When I had my Zune HD music was great and I could listen to it all day without any discomfort, even in loud places with cheap headphones. With Beats its cool too, but sometimes its better when you are in a quiet place.
LiquidSolstice said:
As someone who owns a Zune HD, I understand exactly what you are talking about. It's audio quality is simply unmatched. I still carry mine around, it's small enough that it fits in that little "sub-pocket" that most jeans tend to have on the right pocket.
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Yeah, I feel you. I have the Ubermusic app and it sounds somewhat better than any other music app but I cant remember if its quality is the same as a real zune hd.
This is one reason why I can't use this as my main phone. And HTC isn't the only manufacturer whose sound quality is like this. I really hope this changes
I think Bose should make HTC speakers and drivers
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I think Bose should make HTC speakers and drivers.
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So we could have an over-priced phone?
Let JBL or Shure handle it.
"Ain't got no highs, ain't got no lows...must be a pair of Bose."
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This is one reason why I can't use this as my main phone. And HTC isn't the only manufacturer whose sound quality is like this. I really hope this changes
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I'm kind of an idiot when it comes to sound quality, so just using a decent pair of earphones\earbuds doesn't give an htc phone good quality?
ZPlayer
I have never tried a zune, but I know that the App ZPLAYER looks exactly like zunes' UI and has a pretty good equalizer. I actually use this player more than any other, even though I got beats installed.
It's not free, but you shall try it. I can send the API or you'd know how to get it
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I have never tried a zune, but I know that the App ZPLAYER looks exactly like zunes' UI and has a pretty good equalizer. I actually use this player more than any other, even though I got beats installed.
It's not free, but you shall try it. I can send the API or you'd know how to get it
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It's not about the look of the app. It's the sound quality. The hardware inside the Zune HD gave it a truly wonderful sound (way better than all the iPods and the other MP3 players of the time) and the OP is looking for a way to fix that.
I still think we can fix this some way or another. I am not a developer but I am willing to learn to develop a service or app or maybe even just port the way the zune hd handles audio. Or someone else can do it who has the experience. I am thinking we could probably hack and tweak our audio chips just like we can overclock our cpus, couldn't we overclock it the same way? Moreover, I found out that the 2009 Ipod touch used a similar chip as the zune hd's. Yet, audio sounded different because maybe there is a software aspect that helps also. Also, the zune had a tegra processor plus a dedicated audio core, although I do not know if this is the same as Wolfson's.
Wikipedia has some specs if this can help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zunehd
Here is the audio chip the zune used according to Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/15/microsofts-zune-hd-already-cracked-open-and-photographed/2
http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/power_management/WM8352/
and this website has more information if anybody is interested:
http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Audio-DAC-chips-does-anyone-care-anymore
Couldn't we also replace our audio chips with this one:
http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/cs4970xx_family.html
Does anybody know if the decoder, or whatever makes music sound good on the Zune HD, can be ported to our phones? Or be used to create a service like Beats or dsp manager to run in the background?
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I'm kind of an idiot when it comes to sound quality, so just using a decent pair of earphones\earbuds doesn't give an htc phone good quality?
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Yes and no. From what I understand, the quality starts at the sound file. If the sound or song is bad it will sound bad on cheap headphones and maybe even in expensive headphones, too. The next step would be probably the chosen media player, which will send the audio signals it gets from reading the sound file to the Digital to Analog Converter (DAC) to be "decoded" and played out through the jack by the headphones.
I do not know if this is 100 percent correct, but this is the way it seems. Correct me if I am wrong.
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I have never tried a zune, but I know that the App ZPLAYER looks exactly like zunes' UI and has a pretty good equalizer. I actually use this player more than any other, even though I got beats installed.
It's not free, but you shall try it. I can send the API or you'd know how to get it
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I already tried it, but it sounds more like google's stock music app, at least to me.
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Juan685 said:
I do not know if any of you know how good the Zune HD's sound quality is, but I was wondering if it is possible to get the same kind of quality on our 3D. I know the quality depends on the DAC and circuity from what Ive read, but our phone's hardware is more recent and therefore I assume it has to have better parts than the Zune's. Would it be possible to create an app or a background service that can give the same quality?
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I have posted the same thread to seek a way to enhance the audio quality. Some guys gave me some advice that flash the chad`s kernel. Yes, the man who has been banned from XDA. I dont know the exactly the reason why his kernel will improve the audio quality but some guys who flashed his kernel did approved it worked. I still not tried it because I dont know the way to root & s-off my EVO 3D. You can find his kernel through infected rom .com(please google) If you try it, please post your experience. Thanks
LiquidSolstice said:
It's not about the look of the app. It's the sound quality. The hardware inside the Zune HD gave it a truly wonderful sound (way better than all the iPods and the other MP3 players of the time) and the OP is looking for a way to fix that.
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I see, I'm sorry then.
I'll go and give the Zune HD a listen asap!
Anywaay, Zplayer is a good app
Zune HD is the best media player I have had, and still rattling my civic trunk.
Alexsandra said:
I have posted the same thread to seek a way to enhance the audio quality. Some guys gave me some advice that flash the chad`s kernel. Yes, the man who has been banned from XDA. I dont know the exactly the reason why his kernel will improve the audio quality but some guys who flashed his kernel did approved it worked. I still not tried it because I dont know the way to root & s-off my EVO 3D. You can find his kernel through infected rom .com(please google) If you try it, please post your experience. Thanks
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My bad. I must had forgotten to reply back. The sound quality was good on his kernel, but it is still not like the Zune HD's.
have you tried v4a? ---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191223
Read all the top 5-6 posts from the OP for instructions and understand them carefully before installing.
There are many services and equalizers that offer very different audio qualities....Never listened to a zune but there are many settings and presets that might help.
Here is list of some of the IR samples that can be used with V4A ---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2216193
For anyone who has the Z2 (or Z3) and has been using the Sony Walkman app (including EQ, etc), my question is how good is it when compared to PowerAmp? On Walkman do you use ClearAudio+ AND/OR DSEE HX?? I want to get the Z3 and trade-in my HTC One M8, but in doing so, that means I HAVE to use the Walkman app if I want to have the option for mp3 upscaling (DSEE HX) since PowerAmp doesn't have it. But I know that although the Z3 Walkman app has DSEE HX, it only has a 4-band EQ vs PowerAmp's 10-band EQ. And it seems like at least some ppl think PowerAmp is better.
Any advice, suggestions, or alternate options would be appreciated!!
Thank You,
RockStar2005
It depends on what you arr more comfortable with
I prefer walkman because im use to it and its useful
I love the noise canceling features and the EQ heeds to what i need although it does lack a tiny bit but that can be easily fixed with 3rd party EQ apps
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It depends on what you arr more comfortable with
I prefer walkman because im use to it and its useful
I love the noise canceling features and the EQ heeds to what i need although it does lack a tiny bit but that can be easily fixed with 3rd party EQ apps
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Envious,
I deeply appreciate your reply on this issue. Lemme ask you some questions to further understand what you're saying:
1) I see. I just bought the noise-cancelling earphones (the ones made specifically for the Z2 and Z3: http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en.../digital-noise-cancelling-headset-mdr-nc31em/) and am anxious to use them (or return them if I don't get the Z3 lol). Is that activated in the Sony sound settings menu or in the Walkman app sound settings? Also same question for ClearAudio+?
2) Would those 3rd party EQ apps work in conjunction with Walkman? If so, can you recommend any 3rd party EQ apps to use with it? I will look around but if you know of or use any, please let me know their names and I'll gladly try them out.
Thank You,
RockStar2005
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Envious,
I deeply appreciate your reply on this issue. Lemme ask you some questions to further understand what you're saying:
1) I see. I just bought the noise-cancelling earphones (the ones made specifically for the Z2 and Z3: http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en.../digital-noise-cancelling-headset-mdr-nc31em/) and am anxious to use them (or return them if I don't get the Z3 lol). Is that activated in the Sony sound settings menu or in the Walkman app sound settings? Also same question for ClearAudio+?
2) Would those 3rd party EQ apps work in conjunction with Walkman? If so, can you recommend any 3rd party EQ apps to use with it? I will look around but if you know of or use any, please let me know their names and I'll gladly try them out.
Thank You,
RockStar2005
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The noise canceling headphones do not require walkman because the noise canceling is seperate but for some reason walkman has to be functioning for it to work even if your using different media players
(basicly means it works on any media player so long as walkman is on the device)
You do require a xperia Z2 or newer because its the Xperia that has the tech to enable noise canceling on hit earphones
And any eq will work if it shows in the sound settings under media effects
One i know to work is viperfx4android but it requires root
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Envious,
Oh wow, ok. Thanks for including those pics. I've seen them before but wasn't sure which menu they fell under. So at least THOSE (Noise-Cancelling, ClearAudio) are on the phone's sound settings not Walkman's.
So even if I'm not using Walkman, as long as it's on the phone, I can still use other ones and get noise-cancellation. Interesting. I may just use Walkman.................the 3rd party app idea is a great one!
Yeah I'm getting the Z3 but I was aware that it only works from Z2 going forward. See that's the thing..... I'm looking to trade my HTC One M8 in for the Z3 because I had to root it (and do S-OFF) in order to get things like the Harman/Kardon mod, etc. I'd like to get away from that if possible though. (I have heard of Viper4Android etc too.... tried to d/l it but it wouldn't install for some reason on my M8). So my mission now will be to look for an app that works with Walkman that is AS GOOD as PowerAmp but doesn't require rooting.
If you come across any others, please let me know.
Thanks again!!
RockStar2005
Envious_Data said:
The noise canceling headphones do not require walkman because the noise canceling is seperate but for some reason walkman has to be functioning for it to work even if your using different media players
(basicly means it works on any media player so long as walkman is on the device)
You do require a xperia Z2 or newer because its the Xperia that has the tech to enable noise canceling on hit earphones
And any eq will work if it shows in the sound settings under media effects
One i know to work is viperfx4android but it requires root
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Envious,
I talked to someone on xda who says she has the Z2 and has seen the Z3 in person (she lives in Japan), and she said the DSEE HX feature will still work even if I use PowerAmp as long as I switch DSEE HX on in Walkman first. She said she uses PowerAmp as well and the bass boost option in Walkman remains active even she uses PowerAmp, and she seemed very sure about this. So I think my problem's solved!! Yessss!!!!!!!!! :good: lol
Thanks again for your input here today!
RockStar2005
Not too sure if i made this clear
But any EQ app can work with any media player so long as that eq app was selected as default
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Not too sure if i made this clear
But any EQ app can work with any media player so long as that eq app was selected as default
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Yeah I wasn't fully clear on it until that lady with the Z2 said it. PowerAmp isn't just an EQ app it's (as you probably know too) a full-blown music player.
Thanks!
RockStar2005
Can you share this sony music app ? I want to test the noise cancelling. Thanks
seferismo said:
Can you share this sony music app ? I want to test the noise cancelling. Thanks
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Here ya go. The Walkman app is now called Music.
Do you have a Sony phone? If not, it probably won't work. But if so, you probably already have the app.
I dont have. Unfortunately
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seferismo said:
I dont have. Unfortunately
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The noise cancelling feature is exclusive to the Sony phones, so you could download the app but w/o the technology found ON the Sony Xperia Z phones available, you won't have what you need to use it.
What phone do you have? Maybe you could get a Z phone the next time around? Your call.
I used to use poweramp before I discovered Viper4android. The equalizer was the main reason why I used it.
Of course the original Sony walkman doesn't have so many features. It's missing many basic things, like deleting song, change sorting order etc but it's simple and beautiful (especially the older version).
The one thing I've noticed is that new Sony music app doesn't work well for me on kitkat.
Unfortunately I don't use any Sony enhancements, as it did cause some trouble with the speakers.
Anyway, you may always try the app yourself before changing the phone. It's available for all phones in Google.
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Mr.loverlover,
Don't you have to be rooted though to get Viper4android? When I had my HTC One M8 last year, I did decide to root it and had one of the Viper ROMs or MODs on there. It was great, but only worked b/c I'd unlocked and rooted my phone. I have NO plans or desire to do that again though on my current Sony Xperia Z3, so for me it's a no-go on that.
I think the equalizer on PowerAmp is fantastic and I'd compared this app to about a dozen other players, and none of them could top PowerAmp in every category.........sound quality, ease of use/UI, options & features, looks, etc. The Sony Walkman/Music app came very close though, and only had a 5-band EQ, but PowerAmp (which has a 10-band EQ) STILL had a slight edge when it came to sound quality.
Well in the past I just listened to music straight from my phone, so back then, I did use a couple of the sound features found in the Audio Settings menu. I'd used DSEE HX for improving the sound quality of non Hi-Res content (it's disabled when playing anything above 16-bit/44.1kHz, or CD-Quality), and also I enabled the Surround Sound feature (Studio) as well. They really made the sound quality awesome! Since I was using PowerAmp though I left the Walkman EQ on "Off", and Clear Bass I varied it up. But let me suggest to you........ if I was to use Walkman/Music over PowerAmp, I would HIGHLY suggest the "Soul" preset on there. To me, it's BY FAR the best EQ preset on there. All it does is raise the mid-range up a couple notches, but it makes a big difference in SQ. The vocals will sound clearer and the drums will have more WEIGHT to them. But now that I have a high-quality amp/DAC, I leave those features off (aside from PowerAmp's EQ presets) and keep the Walkman/Music app's EQ on Off so it doesn't interfere with PowerAmp. Those features only sound good when you're listening straight from phone, but if you use some upgraded equipment like I do, those same features actually make the sound worse not better, so yeah, I leave 'em off now.
In the last year I've really gotten into the whole Hi-Res thing........ and have learned a lot too about what equipment options are out there, various settings, and why downsampling Hi-Res content is a very good thing. I've tried different portable amp/DACs and players, and various headphones as well. My current set up is connecting my Z3 (which acts as my music player, with PowerAmp at the helm & I use a couple different presets of which I'd created and configured based off the "Rock" EQ preset) to my portable amp/DAC, the Celsus Sound Companion One (CO), which is INCREDIBLE, and I listen to all that using my Sony MDR-1A headphones. The CO is very well-rated, even being said to sound better than amp/DACs (portable and desktop) and player TWICE to TRIPLE its price ($595). Looks like a fat iPhone right? lol The 1As ($299) are very premium in looks and sound, and have that bass PUNCH that even the more expensive (though also slightly better-looking) Bowers & Wilkins P7s don't quite have. The AKG K550s, which I had before the 1As, are equal in sound but require an amp where the 1As did not. And this was back when I didn't have the CO and wanted to get rid of my last amp (not amp/DAC), which I did when I returned it along with my K550s. The K550s are cheaper though you MAY (or may not) need a portable amp/DAC like my CO (or see Cozoy Astrapi below) to make them loud enough, which I did. Same goes with the Sennheiser HD 598s, of which I also found them to be a bit uncomfortable, though others I know did not. Even cheaper but still well-regarded are the Sony MDR-7506s and the Sony MDR-V6 headphones. The V6s have a bit more bass to them, but aside from that, they are identical in SQ to the 7506s. The ear pads they say get worn out somewhat fast, so these velour replacements are suggested and some say even better than the original leather ones (or upgraded leather ones) that come with the headphones. But it's up to the owner which one to get.
Regarding Hi-Res downsampling, which I downsample to CD-Quality ALAC or FLAC (or even high-quality AAC)......... I do this b/c 1) Despite what ANYONE tells you, including Sony, Hi-Res files only sound better b/c they use a different master (and b/c it's above the level of a crappy mp3 lol), NOT b/c of the higher resolution 2) the lower the resolution, the less battery power is required to play it and 3) the lower the resolution, the less SPACE it takes up. These Hi-Res albums (esp the DSD Hi-Res ones) take up A TON of space, so downsampling is key for me. To do these conversions, I use dBpoweramp (NO relation to PowerAmp lol), which is a free converter that does the job right. I just convert the Hi-Res albums I buy to Uncompressed 16-bit/44.1 kHz WAV files, then to ALAC, FLAC (Level 8), or 320-400 kbps CBR AACs (plug-in required for AAC conversions). The AACs I store on my Z3 phone, but the lossless ALAC or FLAC files I use for backup/storage on OneDrive. (Note: Even after dBpoweramp's 3-week free trial ends, the converter option will STILL be fully functional.)
If the CO is too pricey, I would highly suggest the $130 Cozoy Astrapi portable amp/DAC (or you can find it on eBay cheaper like I did) from China, which is pretty well-rated and sounds great from my own experience. I got this for a friend as a b'day gift and lemme tell you, it really packs quite a punch for such a tiny device. It's the size of a small thumb drive, made of aluminum, uses only about 5% of your phone's battery an hour, gives you extra volume and most important, raises the bar on sound quality. It works with Android, PC, and iPhone (says "Made for iPhone" on the box, but I think that's just a marketing thing). Comes with all the necessary cables too. I took it to a T-Mobile Store near me and tested it out on my 1As, and I let the one worker there hear them out too just on mp3s (not even Hi-Res), and he was really impressed by them too. So much so that he took a pic of the Astrapi's box cuz he wanted to buy it for himself. lol
If you're just listening straight from your phone using cheap ear or headphones and only to crappy mp3s or streaming, then you're simply missing out IMHO. You can do much better!
Wow. You do know a lot about audio
I'm just a common guy who likes to listen music with good quality.
To answer your question, yes, Viper4android needs root, but for me both of those things are "must have".
Htc one m8 has better audio adjustment by itself, that's true, but Viper4android lets you do it even better on every phone. Of course, if I were you, and I wouldn't want to root my phone, then poweramp would be the only music player I would pick, because of its great equalizer.
However, if audio is VERY important for you, then you should definitely try out Viper and of course try out these presets. In your hands it could do magic for sure, and in my opinion Sony stock enhancements don't even get close to what Viper offers.
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Yeah I've done my research. lol
Cool. Thanks for your vote of confidence there! lol Well see that's the thing.......... those enhancements that Sony and Viper4Android have are, from my own experience, really great IF you're not putting an amp/DAC into the mix. But I am, and it elevates the sound quality far beyond what a phone's audio hardware can do REGARDLESS of what software you're using. Case in point......... before I got my CO, I actually had the Sony Walkman A17. It's a fantastic player (though what I have now is considered a notch better), but just like with my CO........when I tried to do the same thing you're talking about on it (being a Sony device, it had ALL those options too), it had a totally different effect on the music. Where DSEE HX and esp Surround Sound (Studio) made my music better (Hi-Res or not), when I tried them out on the Walkman, it simply made them worse. I think that since the technology is so much better than what any smartphone is capable of, those options simply don't bring anything to the table anymore. I mean, I did use the "Soul" preset from the Z3 Walkman/Music app on the Walkman, though on the Walkman there are no EQ presets so I had to do it manually (raise 2.5 kHz EQ band up 2 notches, leave Clear Bass on 0). But that was it. All other options were left off.
If I didn't have my CO, I might consider rooting as I did a year ago with the M8, but I honestly don't believe it will matter. Especially since rooting is kind of a hassle cuz you basically have to do everything yourself, like updates, etc. On the M8 though I specifically unlocked & rooted my phone so I could get the Harman/Kardon MOD so my phone would have the same features as the Sprint Harman/Kardon M8. Both phones had the same hardware, so it was just a software thing, and someone figured out how to port the mod over to other M8 phones (I have T-Mobile). It WAS worth the effort b/c BoomSound was cool but the H/K Mod took my sound to another level! Not like what I have now, but back then it was a big deal for me.
I was a simple guy too. I'd never unlocked or rooted a phone before. It was tough at first cuz I couldn't get it to work (well the S-OFF part was hard at least, but necessary to get H/K), but eventually I did. Then I started to realize how big the Hi-Res thing was getting (last year was a BIG year for it, with Sony's help of course lol). So I visited forums like here and esp Head-Fi.org, and I learned a lot over several months. Started to be able to separate the BS (that resolution above mp3 matters) and what was real (that Hi-Res & DSD albums have better and less compressed masters than mp3s and even CDs do, and that's the real reason why they sound better). I'm still learning, but now I know what I'm doing where 10-11 months ago I was just learning. If you wanna try out Hi-Res, I recommend these 3 sites which are my go-to places (price compare so you pay less!): 1) Pono Music (they often have individual tracks too unlike the others) 2) HDTracks and 3) Acoustic Sounds (they also carry DSD albums which are even better sounding than Hi-Res, but only a fraction of albums get a DSD release). I got Michael Jackson's "Thriller" and Bob Dylan's "Nashville Skyline" in DSD for example. 2 classics, and the SQ is INCREDIBLE! The instruments and vocals are spread out nice and wide, the clarity is sweet, there's no muddy bass messing everything up, the tape hiss is filtered out and with that the sound is more full and richer, etc. Listen to Billie Jean (the chorus, WOW.....wow! lol) or Lay Lady Lay and you'll understand what I mean, ESP vs the mp3 versions. (My review for Skyline should post by Wed on that album's page.) I'd also recommend the new Led Zeppelin Hi-Res remasters, as well as Fleetwood Mac's 70s albums, Tom Petty's solo and Heartbreakers albums, and a ton more. Maybe try downloading one or two albums or tracks from an artist you like and see what you think vs the mp3 version you have. Sometimes they have sales and stuff too. Like Acoustic Sounds has a 10% off Labor Day sale (see home page) going on.
Well even if ya don't want to do the Hi-Res thing, I'd still at least recommend you get one of the headphones I mentioned and also of course the Cozoy Astrapi, then never look back. lol Doesn't get simpler than that really.
Hey guys!
I've just invested in some decent Sennheiser earphones (never use stock ones!) and I'm now looking for a music app to match! I've found the stock music player lacks the dynamic range for the different types of music I listen to. My main genres are progressive rock, rock, techno/house and occasional classical. I've dabbled with the trial of Power Amp and was quite impressed, but wanted to know what other people have tried and gone with before I part with my meagre amount of money! Audiophiles, lend me your ears!!!
What are your recommendations/thoughts?
Cheers guys.
Probably already done it but don't forget to set up the adaptive sounds settings
Tonesav said:
Probably already done it but don't forget to set up the adaptive sounds settings
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I'm guessing this only works with the stock player, or is it part of the system output and would also work with third party apps?
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On mine it's in settings, sounds and noticifications, sound quality and effects,
In here is adapt sound and other sound options they make my cheap blue tooth set sounds a little richer
And the adapt sound helps with my right ear hearing better than my left
imho poweramp is one of the best, has many frequency control, effects and a lot of theme like this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dmulg2ycs1y10c0/Screenshot_2015-05-16-18-54-35.png?dl=0
adaptive sound is really bad..go with viper4Android this is the best and could be used with all players..BTW I'm still stick to my old in ear beats headphones ..they were included in the HTC sensation XL times..
I use Neutron and it is great.
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adaptive sound is really bad..go with viper4Android this is the best and could be used with all players..BTW I'm still stick to my old in ear beats headphones ..they were included in the HTC sensation XL times..
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Not looking to root I'm afraid. While I've rooted my last few devices, I use my GS6E for NFC payments and rooting would cause this to stop working. Also my 1 year old boy keeps me too busy these days!
I did have some UrBeats earphones with my One X a few years ago before I sold them, and after recent reports that they are nothing more than a brand name behind cheap Chinese made earphones, I'd rather steer clear of them. Quite happy with my Sennheisers!
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Not looking to root I'm afraid. While I've rooted my last few devices, I use my GS6E for NFC payments and rooting would cause this to stop working. Also my 1 year old boy keeps me too busy these days!
I did have some UrBeats earphones with my One X a few years ago before I sold them, and after recent reports that they are nothing more than a brand name behind cheap Chinese made earphones, I'd rather steer clear of them. Quite happy with my Sennheisers!
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yeah..from me it's the opposite..the Sennheisers we're not have a good sound..and no there are zero payment things.. I mean I can not see any store where I can pay with NFC in Germany....
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yeah..from me it's the opposite..the Sennheisers we're not have a good sound..and no there are zero payment things.. I mean I can not see any store where I can pay with NFC in Germany....
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I think that if it wasn't for the NFC payments and that I've only got the phone for another 11 months, I'd probably consider rooting. As for the headphones, perhaps you ended up with some fakes? Plenty of them out there which is a shame.
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yeah..from me it's the opposite..the Sennheisers we're not have a good sound..and no there are zero payment things.. I mean I can not see any store where I can pay with NFC in Germany....
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In Poland everywhere where they have PayPass I can pay with NFC, the same thing.
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I think that if it wasn't for the NFC payments and that I've only got the phone for another 11 months, I'd probably consider rooting. As for the headphones, perhaps you ended up with some fakes? Plenty of them out there which is a shame.
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As for headphones and liking the sound or not, it depends on our music tastes and sound tastes greatly. Not all good headphones will be suitable for everyone.
I can recommend brainwavz and Soundmagic on my side. I have been using Brainwavz M3 with my S6 Edge and they sound great using Neutron. For desktop I have Soundpagic HP100 and they are great as well. Chinese, but if you read reviews on sites like Head-Fi.org, you will be surprised how good these are. I also have had Sennheiser MX980 for a few years and they sound nice.
The earphones I ended up getting are the Sennheiser CX 300-II. I know there are better ones out there for more money but considering I came from Logitech UE 200 they are a vast improvement, even on my laptop!
Just want to thank everyone for the replies. I'll probably end up going with Poweramp as I do like the features it offers and the different formats it plays. Quite a bit of my collection is in flac and although the stock player supports the format, the dynamic range of Poweramp is, imo greater.
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The earphones I ended up getting are the Sennheiser CX 300-II. I know there are better ones out there for more money but considering I came from Logitech UE 200 they are a vast improvement, even on my laptop!
Just want to thank everyone for the replies. I'll probably end up going with Poweramp as I do like the features it offers and the different formats it plays. Quite a bit of my collection is in flac and although the stock player supports the format, the dynamic range of Poweramp is, imo greater.
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Maven player? Jet audio? These 2 served me pretty good.
Viper audio if you're rooted. Not a player but a great way to control the sound