Hello all,
I am kind of new to rooting. I've owned my S3 for like 4 months but only just now did I decide to root it... I've already installed a custom rom and i couldn't be happier, it's Wanamlite 5.3.
Now I would like to try different roms, such as UltimaRom, as it has a far better Aroma installer with much more customization.
But I've got a question... ¿Do i need to wipe all my data in order to flash the other rom on top of Wanamlite?
Cheers.
You might get lucky and be just fine flashing it on top, but there's a very good chance you'll get a lot of problems. In fact, it probably won't boot at all. So it's always good to do a wipe before switching ROMs. Backup your data and apps in Titanium
Glebun said:
You might get lucky and be just fine flashing it on top, but there's a very good chance you'll get a lot of problems. In fact, it probably won't boot at all. So it's always good to do a wipe before switching ROMs. Backup your data and apps in Titanium
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Yeah... I'll most likely end up doing that.
Anyway, I was reading the instructions in the UltimaRom post and they mention that you should make a NANDroid Backup using CWM. What is the purpose of this backup? I mean, with Titatanium you can restore your apps, but what kind of data does NANDroid Backup save and restore?
Cheers.
Alphadan said:
Yeah... I'll most likely end up doing that.
Anyway, I was reading the instructions in the UltimaRom post and they mention that you should make a NANDroid Backup using CWM. What is the purpose of this backup? I mean, with Titatanium you can restore your apps, but what kind of data does NANDroid Backup save and restore?
Cheers.
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Nandroid backup if i am right is like a boot image of your phone when you do the backup, so if things go wrong it will restore the phone with everything you had at the point of backup
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Nandroid backup if i am right is like a boot image of your phone when you do the backup, so if things go wrong it will restore the phone with everything you had at the point of backup
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Learned that from my wii flashing days lol
Cool guys, thanks for your help )
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Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
emigre said:
Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
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You don't need two of the same thing. I haven't used titanium but nandroid is a, if you will, what-you-see-is-what-you-get backup....what I mean by this is it will back up your phone in the exact state it is...you can't choose to exclude this or that, etc. I prefer mybackup pro because the one time I used titanium I couldn't figure out what to do cuz the GUI was so scrub. That's just me tho.
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I think the main difference is that nandroid will restore everything back the way it was through recovery. With Titanium Backup, you can backup your apps+data and restore them if you flash a new ROM. So like if you upgrade to the latest version of CM6 or Liberated, you can carry your apps over. If you restore the nandroid, it will restore the old ROM too.
Thanks for the response guys.
@blindfusion: I think you just pointed out the main difference there. I didn't think of it that way, the old ROM would also be flashed!
@zervic: Now I think I'll need to get my hands on a backup app. Will check out backup Pro!
Thanks again!
under nandroid/advanced restore, there's an option to restore data. not sure how it differs from titanium. i think titanium let's you pick the apps to back up. nandroid just backs up everything.
So does nandroid also give us the option to restore data (ie. Saved apps, datas, etc) under advanced without flashing the old ROM back in?
For example if i were to flash a newer ROM (FR007 for instance), then i'd be able to have access and restore ALL the backed up data in nandroid? And have a newer version of the OS?
Am i missing something here? I guess i just want to keep my aria light and avoid installing apps i absoloutely do not need. To keep it zippy and maintain precious internal memory.
Thanks again everyone!
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that's how i've restored apps/data after updating rom.
Thanks for the confirmation Darren!
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
No titanium backs up app and their data only.nandroid is a full system image.
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Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
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Always make both before flashing a new ROM. If everything goes according to plan, run Titanium to restore all your apps into the new ROM. If something goes wrong, you can use Nandroid to restore your phone to pre-flash state.
Also, you should copy the Nandroid file to your computer. If your phone is ever lost or stolen and you get a new one, you can restore it to your old phone's image.
NANDroid backup is a complete image of your phone: the OS, apps, data, everything. So if you screw up your phone, like making it unbootable, or accidentally wiping it clean, you can restore the image and everything will be back to the way it was when you did the backup.
Titanium Backup is an app in your OS that backs up other apps, their data, and some system data / user settings. It's usually used, for example, for restoring apps and their data after a clean install, where you've wiped everything clean.
The two options are fundamentally different, but do have some overlap.
I've never got nandroid backup to work for me personally. Always comes up, "backup not found".
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glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
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glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
thanks. that answer all of my backup questions.
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
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Sorry still unclear for me, so if i have CWM i will go to recovery and there i can performe the backup right?
that copies the nandroid to my Sd card? and that image is flasheable image? is that correct? sorry if any of those is a stupid question :S
Edit: Nevermind, i found a guide here that is good for newbies like me, but thanks anyway
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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1. Correct. Its highly likely that there will be issues (device won't boot) on almost every occasion.
2. Yes. You may also want to exclude "app data," since it may cause a bootloop or system instability (on some occasions). You could keep a Tb backup if you wish.
It won't be a fatal mistake, but the device will just not boot up (soft-brick). You would have to boot into recovery mode a restore/flash a rom made for the device.
Yes, that's correct.
if someone knows how to restore data from CM7 to void, pls. help. the thing is, i did a backup of mik's CM7 using CWM and then flashed void. the flashing was successful,.i'm just wondering if there is anyway for me to restore the apps from CM7 to void,.i tried advance restore from CWM (restore data) but when i rebooted, it was stuck on devoid logo..thank you.
roi14 said:
if someone knows how to restore data from CM7 to void, pls. help. the thing is, i did a backup of mik's CM7 using CWM and then flashed void. the flashing was successful,.i'm just wondering if there is anyway for me to restore the apps from CM7 to void,.i tried advance restore from CWM (restore data) but when i rebooted, it was stuck on devoid logo..thank you.
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You cant restore the CM7 system apps to devoid final. You can restore the apps/games that you downloaded to the devoid final though titanium backup. Just dont restore apps like google maps/talk/ etc which comes preinstalled.
PS: hows the devoid final rom ?
That's right, Use Titanium Backup. I haven't flashed void.final yet because of all the hassle of restoring apps and data.
Firs things first... use Titanium Backup or something similar along with you nand backups. This should make restoring apps easy. Run the backup batch and then the restore batch on the new rom. I do not recommend restoring system data, it may cause faults in the system, especially when going from 2.2 to 2.3 and back.
So, man, restore the nand backup of your CM7, use Titanium Backup batch, re-flash your void.final and then restore the Titanium Backups. That should do it. This procedure is a must if you want to test custom roms, or just flash often.
Cheers!
Ruwin said:
Firs things first... use Titanium Backup or something similar along with you nand backups. This should make restoring apps easy. Run the backup batch and then the restore batch on the new rom. I do not recommend restoring system data, it may cause faults in the system, especially when going from 2.2 to 2.3 and back.
So, man, restore the nand backup of your CM7, use Titanium Backup batch, re-flash your void.final and then restore the Titanium Backups. That should do it. This procedure is a must if you want to test custom roms, or just flash often.
Cheers!
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but if i flash void, titanium will disappear right?how can i restore the titanium backups,.and man, i'm not used to using titanium backup, so pls help,.thanks!
roi14 said:
how can i restore the titanium backups,.and man, i'm not used to using titanium backup, so pls help,.thanks!
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Uh, just reinstall it from the market. (And the backups are still there sitting safely on your SD card).
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Uh, just reinstall it from the market. (And the backups are still there sitting safely on your SD card).
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oh!!!,silly of me,.gee thanks,.gotta try it now! thanks for all ur help!
roi14 said:
but if i flash void, titanium will disappear right?how can i restore the titanium backups,.and man, i'm not used to using titanium backup, so pls help,.thanks!
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Mate, better get used to Titanium Backup, it's a life saver if you like modding.
Word of advice: update your backups, and (this is an important one) backup (copy on HDD) your Titanium backups (you can find them on /sdcard/TitaniumBackup/)!
Ruwin said:
Word of advice: update your backups, and (this is an important one) backup (copy on HDD) your Titanium backups (you can find them on /sdcard/TitaniumBackup/)!
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Yeah. Getting Pro with better scheduling (plus Dropbox sync) is worth it, IMHO. Also, the backups are much faster with Pro.
i really wanna thank you guys but it's only limited to five,.but i'll hit them tomorrow!! thanks guys!!!
roi14 said:
i really wanna thank you guys but it's only limited to five
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Hmmmm? What is limited to five?
the thanks button,.you can only hit it 5 times in one day!
roi14 said:
the thanks button,.you can only hit it 5 times in one day!
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Ah, LOL. I thought your Titanium Backup was limited to 5 backups. Damnit, you confused me.
just want to say that i've completely restored all my apps from CM7 to devoid.final,.thank you all!
but i have another question though,.can titanium backup restore my messages?this time, i want my messages to be exactly what i have in CM7!
all in all,.it's working fine! thanks again!
roi14 said:
but i have another question though,.can titanium backup restore my messages?this time, i want my messages to be exactly what i have in CM7!
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Can you specify what you mean by messages?
roi14 said:
just want to say that i've completely restored all my apps from CM7 to devoid.final,.thank you all!
but i have another question though,.can titanium backup restore my messages?this time, i want my messages to be exactly what i have in CM7!
all in all,.it's working fine! thanks again!
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I dont know if Titanium backup can, but you can try other apps from the market such sa SMSbackup.
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Can you specify what you mean by messages?
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i want to get back my messages from the messaging app on CM7 and put it in devoid.,.they have sentimental value to me.
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I dont know if Titanium backup can, but you can try other apps from the market such sa SMSbackup.
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i'll try this one,.thanks man!
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i want to get back my messages from the messaging app on CM7 and put it in devoid.,.they have sentimental value to me.
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Ah, you mean SMS/MMS... Well, dunno about Titanium. I am backing them up via GO SMS Pro; never liked the stock messaging app really. It can do scheduled backups (binary/XML, full/incremental) and even send the backups to your email.
i will try SMS Backup and Restore from market. if it does not work, i'll try yours! thanks for ur time man and all of u there who shared his time answering my questions!
If I backup only my data through Amon Ra, then flash a new Rom (after wiping everything) can I restore my data over the rom?
I've never tried anything like that (due to previously using CWR)
Thanks
not sure but the easy way i know how to do this is use titanium backup to back up everything and when u restore just restore the data
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not sure but the easy way i know how to do this is use titanium backup to back up everything and when u restore just restore the data
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That sucks.
Thanks anyways
But don't restore data from one ROM to a different ROM. That can mess things up.
Hi there, I'm kinda new to android and was wondering: is there a way to back up the S3 like the iPhone? Where everything gets backed up into a file and if i were to reformat my phone I can just restore it and everything will be there. Thanks. :angel:
I really like Go Backup. Never had an issue with it, even from going to stock firmware to CM9 or 10, which usually ruins titanium backups.
But the one file backup would be a nandroid, which is done through recovery.
FlyingPizza said:
Hi there, I'm kinda new to android and was wondering: is there a way to back up the S3 like the iPhone? Where everything gets backed up into a file and if i were to reformat my phone I can just restore it and everything will be there. Thanks. :angel:
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I prefer titanium backup and twrp. Of course you need to be rooted for these to be installed
How do u restore things using titanium backup? Can i restore data like settings when going from stock to other aosp roms?
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gyromuff said:
I prefer titanium backup and twrp. Of course you need to be rooted for these to be installed
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Do yo ureally have TWRP for i9300 ?
rsxsniper said:
How do u restore things using titanium backup? Can i restore data like settings when going from stock to other aosp roms?
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Yes you can restore but it is not advisable..will create conflicts and FCs..Best bet is to restore all the apps with data from TB..all the apps will have their settings intact..only problem is TW launcher but if you are going to AOSP then that is not a problem...otherwise backup TWlauncher also and restore it with Data..force closes may come though..
Titanium Backup works great for me, but be careful restoring system aps.
Make a nandroid backup just in case you mess something up
With both nandroid backup and titanium backup, I feel like immortal
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With both nandroid backup and titanium backup, I feel like immortal
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But you would be proven as not with no backed up EFS folder .
jje
JJEgan said:
But you would be proven as not with no backed up EFS folder .
jje
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+1.......the most overlooked, but most important backup of all, everything else is just a matter of data loss, but losing efs= goodbye precious!
how about Ultimate Backup Tool?
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I have seen members saying that nandroid backup is like the first thing to do before flashing/rooting etc.
I want to ask, how important is nandroid backup for our device? I read somewhere that its nearly impossible to brick your rezound as long as its S-ON, so is nandroid backup still important?
Thing is, my memory card slot is not working and there isn't a way to backup nandroid. Was thinking of flashing some ROMs.
Nandroid are like restore points, if you mess something up you can always go back. It's a must for frequent rom flashing unless you like losing all your data every time you mess something up and end up running an RUU to get it back to working order. Idk if it's possible to maybe have the nandroid save on your internal storage.
Also look on the play store, I remember seeing someone make an app that will do a nandroid backup to cloud.. While the device is booted.
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Oh yeah, isn't it called orange something... ?
Yep, here it is:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...S5wb21tZWRldGVycmVzYXV0ZWUudHdvYm9yYW5nZTMiXQ..
Orange Backup and Root
TWRP can backup to internal memory...
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Oh yeah, isn't it called orange something... ?
Yep, here it is:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...S5wb21tZWRldGVycmVzYXV0ZWUudHdvYm9yYW5nZTMiXQ..
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Hi feralicious,
There us a Thread relative to Orange Backup, see my signature if you have any question!
Regards
@Max725
If I make a backup with TWRP, can I restore it if needed using AmonRa?
Thanks for the replies.
lamborg said:
@Max725
If I make a backup with TWRP, can I restore it if needed using AmonRa?
Thanks for the replies.
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I don't know about TWRP and AmonRa, but I do know that TWRP and CWM didn't like each other the last time I tried, which was a couple months ago for a friend. I had to do a different backup using TWRP because it would not read the previous backup properly, which was made with CWM.
EDIT: I did find that Amon Ra can restore CWM backups.
drellisdee said:
Nand Restore Clockwork : browse to and restore cwm backup
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@Max725
If I make a backup with TWRP, can I restore it if needed using AmonRa?
Thanks for the replies.
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I really have no idea... I haven't used anything but TWRP for several months.