When i am playing music or have any sound played from the phone there is white noise that goes on after any sound is played. Having good headphones and being an audio-file, this is really annoying is anyone else having this problem, or know ways to fix it?
I have tried this on other roms, no fix. I have also tried defferent headsets and the problem is still there.
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What kernel and rom are you running?
No noise here and I have good ear buds.
I've run mine through a fiio e17 to both my sennheiser hd650s and my grados sr80is, neither had any trace of noise or hiss. I'm actually really impressed by the quality of the dac in the note 2. The only time I had any sort of sound issue was some distortion from having the dac amplified too high via stweaks on the perseus kernel, which I remedied by turning the amplification down from 63 to the default 50.
umm
i am running paranoid android atm, i also tried it on beans 5, same problem.
Have you tried perseus kernel? Give that a shot. Also acid sound mod might help, it's worth a shot. Otherwise you have some kind of hardware interference.
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And by the way, it's 'audiophile'. An audio file is what we listen to.
Re hardware interfearnce
So in installed the new kernel and the acid audio mod and im still having the problem, what should i try next?
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So in installed the new kernel and the acid audio mod and im still having the problem, what should i try next?
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Stock and if nothing else, another phone.
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Guys I have a real weird ass problem with my internal speaker (one on the left hand side of the phone) and could use some help if any has any advise
My speaker was fine prior to installing wolfs new GB rom, but since i have put it on the speaker comes on and off as it pleases. The volume becomes so low that i can barely hear it and the sound only comes out of the top speaker. I can fix the issue by plugging in the earphones into the phone, pull them out and its normal again. Rinse and repeat
I installed the xloud add on and dspmanager and it still turns on and off when it wants, even reflashed it and still same problem.
Has this happened to anyone else or have you read of this happening to anyone and a possible resolution?
did you usu xloud
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did you usu xloud
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Yeh dude, i wrote that in my original post
Anyone???
your speaker might be already damaged. xloud can do damage on your speaker (even you only use it just 10 days). nothing you can do with damaged hardware.
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Yeh dude, i wrote that in my original post
Anyone???
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To me it sounds like an issue with your headphone jack.
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Arnold.Alexius said:
your speaker might be already damaged. xloud can do damage on your speaker (even you only use it just 10 days). nothing you can do with damaged hardware.
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IDK, I read it as he installed xloud after he started having these issues.
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To me it sounds like an issue with your headphone jack.
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Would that though turn the internal speaker off? It is very noticeable as no sound comes from the speaker on the left hand side of the phone, but as soon as i plug in the jack for the headphone on the top of the page the speaker comes back on
IDK, I read it as he installed xloud after he started having these issues.
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Yeh thats right... i noticed it was low but didnt realise at the time the speaker was not turning on at all so installed xloud and dspmanager after a bit of research. I didnt have this issue at all until i flashed it with the new custom rom so something has fallen ass over somewhere and was hoping with this thread that someone may know why this happened?
Normal operation of a headphone jack would be to break into the audio stream somewhere before the final amplification stage and direct it to the headphones instead. I'm not sure if that would be the fact with our phones.
I'm thinking that the phones firmware is picking up that the jack is plugged in and then turning off the external speaker.
So when you loose audio from your external speaker does your notification bar show the headphones icon? When you loose audio is it just media audio or does your phone not ring either?
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So when you loose audio from your external speaker does your notification bar show the headphones icon? When you loose audio is it just media audio or does your phone not ring either?
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No it doesnt show that, it doesnt show anything. The audio is not completely lost, only the audio from the left hand side speaker. Sound still does come out of the phone but just from the top speaker (on top next to the Sony Ericsson print) but it is very low and very muffled, to the point of not being able to hear it properly at all
This occurs for any sound being omitted from the phone, media, ring tones etc etc
Reverted back to the official SE 2.3.3 rom just to suss it out if the speaker would work and low and behold its fine. So something from the custom rom definitely stuffed something up which is a shame. How would I or anyone else go about flagging this issue with the dev?
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Reverted back to the official SE 2.3.3 rom just to suss it out if the speaker would work and low and behold its fine. So something from the custom rom definitely stuffed something up which is a shame. How would I or anyone else go about flagging this issue with the dev?
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Maybe it's related with Shazam or SoundHound.
Wolfbreak mentions it in the Wolfs ROM TW thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16188210&postcount=950
•If you have Problems with low Audio delete Soundhound or Shazam if you have installed it, they couse a error with Sound but TrackID works fine.
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Maybe it's related with Shazam or SoundHound.
Wolfbreak mentions it in the Wolfs ROM TW thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16188210&postcount=950
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I didnt have either one of these apps installed :/
I'm seriously tired of the garbage DAC in my phone, so if I put one of the Jellybean ROMs on it, would the FIIO E7 work on my phone?
http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-Portable-Headphone-Amplifier-Black/dp/B003N0XDT4
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I'm seriously tired of the garbage DAC in my phone, so if I put one of the Jellybean ROMs on it, would the FIIO E7 work on my phone?
http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-Portable-Headphone-Amplifier-Black/dp/B003N0XDT4
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Nope. I tried a lot of them recently: Gubment Cheese, Eclipse, King Kang, The Collective, latest releases as November 10th-12th/2012
None support USB audio out. I Plugged my USB sound card to it, and used an app to test it. Couldn't make it pass.
So I used the Note, OTG cable into usb cable from Tascam External USB Sound card. Pretty basic, no drivers, just for testing.
With the app I could hear the GNote's microphone pickup (ambient noise), which was interesting. The usb power was working, and I could hear it from my headphones. Some ROMS are more staticity than others. However, playing a music was a no go, no sound was passed to the Tascam. So Mic is okay, Digital Audio, no. Not yet. So I guess the hardware is capable, it's just that piece of code missing. I heard it was just added to CM10, in the GSIII thread.
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BTW, with my low-efficiency headphones, I have to turn the volume up too much. You can hear A LOT of hiss with the Note's internal DAC. In my "low end" Shure in ears, it's clear only in between songs, but it's there. A small, portable DAC, like the E7, would work great for me.
I've got a couple of requests, both audio related. Hoping ROM and/or kernel developers might be able to help out...
1. A global gain setting/boost for the headphone jack. For those that use the headphone jack with, say, an Aux In to a car stereo, you really have to crank the stereo to get decent volume. It's probably a good 20-25% lower output than my iPhone 4. The Play Store boost options are unreliable and only work for apps that don't include their own built-in EQ.
2. Toggle to disable the LG feature that turns the volume down automatically "to save your ears" when you plug something into the jac. It's a good feature for headphone users, but a real annoyance for those using Aux In on another device. Plug in, crank the LGOG, crank the stereo and you've got a listenable signal.
Thanks.
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I've got a couple of requests, both audio related. Hoping ROM and/or kernel developers might be able to help out...
1. A global gain setting/boost for the headphone jack. For those that use the headphone jack with, say, an Aux In to a car stereo, you really have to crank the stereo to get decent volume. It's probably a good 20-25% lower output than my iPhone 4. The Play Store boost options are unreliable and only work for apps that don't include their own built-in EQ.
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This. Very very this.
Im having the same annoying issue.. seems that audio quality is much more poor than other devices also
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I agree with the above statements entirely
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Alpione said:
I've got a couple of requests, both audio related. Hoping ROM and/or kernel developers might be able to help out...
1. A global gain setting/boost for the headphone jack. For those that use the headphone jack with, say, an Aux In to a car stereo, you really have to crank the stereo to get decent volume. It's probably a good 20-25% lower output than my iPhone 4. The Play Store boost options are unreliable and only work for apps that don't include their own built-in EQ.
2. Toggle to disable the LG feature that turns the volume down automatically "to save your ears" when you plug something into the jac. It's a good feature for headphone users, but a real annoyance for those using Aux In on another device. Plug in, crank the LGOG, crank the stereo and you've got a listenable signal.
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^ this
If volume plus doesn't do it for you then Idk what to tell you. Other than it works fine over bluetooth and drives my giant sennheisers via 3.5mm with aplomb (w/volume plus)
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I noticed mine sounds fine with headphones but when using the aux cable its super low.. not just volume but sound quality is definitely lacking... has anyone tried DSP on their rooted G yet?
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If volume plus doesn't do it for you then Idk what to tell you. Other than it works fine over bluetooth and drives my giant sennheisers via 3.5mm with aplomb (w/volume plus)
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Again, the booster apps only work for apps that don't include their own EQ. So it's fine for Pandora but not for, say, Subsonic.
Best way to do this would be with a system-level tweak. I had a Nook Color and they had extremely low audio levels. A dev added this feature and all worked great.
Clearly I'm not alone in being annoyed by this issue.
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In the interim you could just not use subsonic and use a simpler music app...
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I noticed mine sounds fine with headphones but when using the aux cable its super low.. not just volume but sound quality is definitely lacking... has anyone tried DSP on their rooted G yet?
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I tried today with my Tones, didn't change a thing. None of the settings changed anything.
I'm pretty down about the volume issues too.., my only real beef with this bad Larry..I'm on base 0.7, running well, w/custom kernel too. One weird thing that got me confused is a few apps, all "audio" related, power amp(very few issues in 2+yrs) volume+ and 2-3 more won't open, nothing happens, been through every step that should be needed for fixin this, kinda boggled. Oh, I gotta check but on linpack, base .05, stock kernel, my phone killed it and snagged 4th and like 19th highest overall, the 19th was under clocked too multi thread, /Rob/Boston
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Dang, looks like, I think its a DNA?? Knocked me down to 7 and #3 is a fellow lgog home boy. Not like this means too much but gotta love the raw power
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Well,I found a fix for #2 in my original post. I wanted to find an app that would let me use the iPhone volume and track buttons on my workout headphones. I grabbed Headset Button Controller.
Turns out that it works great and includes a feature to automatically put the headphone jack to any specific volume level when something is plugged in. Perfect.
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Hello all,
I just flashed ACID audio (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1923630) because of the rave reviews that it gets, and everything went smooth on CleanRom 3.5. I chose all universal options instead of Samsung, because I didn't see the N2 listed. It installs the ACID audio notifier, and when I plug my headset in, it shows that ACID audio is working. However, I forgot to actually listen to music on the N2 before I installed ACID audio to do a comparison .... does anybody know if you can turn ACID audio off and on to do comparisons? I don't see an option anywhere. Yeah, it sounds pretty good. But it's hard to tell how much it actually does without a benchmark.
FWIW, I assume that ACID audio universally affects sound from all apps, including Spotify, which is where my I listen to my music (as opposed to their Walkman player or what not).
Thanks a ton!
In my honest opinion, as a fledgling audiophile and not knowing ACID: Unless its hardware amplification, its not worth it. You need both good amplification and good headphones.
I noticed a HUGE sound quality difference while I was running one of the few custom roms. But something else I noticed is that when I have had audio quality drops its usually been running custom kernel as well.
So you may end up needing to flash a new rom if yiu can't disable the audio boost. I think the Note 2 drives on ear headphones well so I think anything except full sized headphones should be fine sans amplification
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Okay so I have spent the last hour installing pretty much everything from the ac¡d page and came to one conclusion...
They do little to nothing on this phone. I tried every add on and combo you could. the only thing that did remotely anything is the noozy addon and it wasn't much.
I got pretty much the same quality sound by going into the stock player and adjusting the eq...(main thing is taking the clarity slider all the way up)
Now the reason may be that I'm running an aftermarket kernel. Who knows ...but I have uninstalled everything and am back stock. I truly don't think everything installed as it should. I think there is supposed to be more just from reason the op.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the replies guys; I guess I'll keep it the way it is now. I know on the DNA it made a noticeable difference, but maybe that's just hardware?
i think this device running perseus kernel is nothing short of amazing! i had to turn down the amplification in stweaks but man the speaker sounds amazing for a phone.
i know this is a bad comparison but we compared you tube vids lastnight between a older iphone and my gn2...l it was like comparing a old am radio to a hifi home theater system!
droidstyle said:
i think this device running perseus kernel is nothing short of amazing! i had to turn down the amplification in stweaks but man the speaker sounds amazing for a phone.
i know this is a bad comparison but we compared you tube vids lastnight between a older iphone and my gn2...l it was like comparing a old am radio to a hifi home theater system!
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No I completely agree. .. I've used stweaks audio tab and the built in eq in the stock player to make it sound amazing (main speaker and phones) even when hooked to my truck which has a full blown 1600 dollar aftermarket stero system in it, I can cancel the eq in there cause the sound coming out is right.
So the acid audio maybe be working but the sound is already right and it doesn't seem like its doing anything..
Just attached my son's Darth Vader headphones (oh yea thats how we rock it out) to my Note and I am blown away as I listen to Slaughterhouse - My Life and the bass is amazing for some Walmart kids-phones. I think the audio stock is pretty good. I tried beats on my Fascinate and I really didn't see wut the fuss was. Any who just my two pennies loving this phone with my Vader-phones!
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I don't take any credit for this I just discovered it here https://www.head-fi.org/threads/lg-v20-sound-quality.816024/page-189 and since I've never seen it mentioned at XDA I figured I would share it.
So I was playing around with my build.prop file (VS995) and I came across this line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false". After some googling I came across that page at head-fi.org and learned that if you set "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true" it enables the Hi-Fi DAC to handle 16-bit content natively. By default the V20 is set to do this with 24-bit content only.
I can't speak for all formats but with the lossless flac files that I listen to it made an amazing difference in sound quality.
Tested on my VS995 13A stock rooted rom and on WETA 5.0.7 US99610h rom that I have running with dual boot patcher. It worked on both so chances are this works on all variants.
UPDATE:
I started to get curious about this DAC tweak so I decided to play around with my old V10, VS990 rooted stock rom. The build.prop on my V10 does not have the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable= (true or false)" so I added the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true", rebooted and viola. My V10 now sounds even better than before.
So this works on the V10 as well as the V20. Probably the V30 too, assuming root has been achieved.
Update: fixed
I did this and now my viper4android is not processing anymore
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Update: fixed
I did this and now my viper4android is not processing anymore
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Okay so it works but keep turning off and on
Using Viper4Android on the LG V20 undoes all the magic the ESS DAC performs.. It downsamples the audio to 16-bit/48kHz after the ESS DAC has upsampled everything to 32-bit/192kHz
Viper4Android increases the audio quality on most phones. However it is going to decrease the quality on any device running a dedicated DAC.
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Using Viper4Android on the LG V20 undoes all the magic the ESS DAC performs.. It downsamples the audio to 16-bit/48kHz after the ESS DAC has upsampled everything to 32-bit/192kHz
Viper4Android increases the audio quality on most phones. However it is going to decrease the quality on any device running a dedicated DAC.
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Technically yes but viper4android is still a thing you can't miss with this device, no other playerapp can provide this lossless analog timbre equalizer and much other soundimprovements it can provide.
Poweramp and neutron are way behind what viper4android can do or reach in soundquality terms
I compared the tweak with the default settings its a improvement by a small margin yes (not really magic). but as its not compatible with viper4android this is a no go for me personally and for many other people too i guess
I disagree with your statement that viper4android is decreasing soundquality with this DAC, its a huge improvement in contrary you should try it out yourself dac by default sounds dull and unoptimized
Small tip: use viper4android in combination with neutron player this is where the real magic is.
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Technically yes but viper4android is still a thing you can't miss with this device, no other playerapp can provide this lossless analog timbre equalizer and much other soundimprovements it can provide.
Poweramp and neutron are way behind what viper4android can do or reach in soundquality terms
I compared the tweak with the default settings its a improvement by a small margin yes (not really magic). but as its not compatible with viper4android this is a no go for me personally and for many other people too i guess
I disagree with your statement that viper4android is decreasing soundquality with this DAC, its a huge improvement in contrary you should try it out yourself dac by default sounds dull and unoptimized
Small tip: use viper4android in combination with neutron player this is where the real magic is.
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Very interesting I'm thinking about what your saying how Viper4Android doesn't work with this mod and I think I know why.
When audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false the audio stream is being handled by Android, using Android's src converter and digital volume control. This also allows for Viper4Android functionality. When audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true the audio stream is passed on to the ESS DAC directly, completely bypassing Android's audio processing. This is what I think is causing Viper4Android to lose functionality. Perhaps this is why LG chose to set audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false in their rom. To increase functionality with other apps, albeit at the expense of audio quality.
Personally I like the way it sounds with audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true and I'm gonna keep it that way. I have tried Viper4Android before and I know by my own ears that it did sound as good. At least not as pure which is what I prefer. So to each his own I guess
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Very interesting I'm thinking about what your saying how Viper4Android doesn't work with this mod and I think I know why.
When audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false the audio stream is being handled by Android, using Android's src converter and digital volume control. This also allows for Viper4Android functionality. When audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true the audio stream is passed on to the ESS DAC directly, completely bypassing Android's audio processing. This is what I think is causing Viper4Android to lose functionality. Perhaps this is why LG chose to set audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false in their rom. To increase functionality with other apps, albeit at the expense of audio quality.
Personally I like the way it sounds with audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true and I'm gonna keep it that way. I have tried Viper4Android before and I know by my own ears that it did sound as good. At least not as pure which is what I prefer. So to each his own I guess
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okay it does work with the mod but it cuts in and out
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Technically yes but viper4android is still a thing you can't miss with this device, no other playerapp can provide this lossless analog timbre equalizer and much other soundimprovements it can provide.
Poweramp and neutron are way behind what viper4android can do or reach in soundquality terms
I compared the tweak with the default settings its a improvement by a small margin yes (not really magic). but as its not compatible with viper4android this is a no go for me personally and for many other people too i guess
I disagree with your statement that viper4android is decreasing soundquality with this DAC, its a huge improvement in contrary you should try it out yourself dac by default sounds dull and unoptimized
Small tip: use viper4android in combination with neutron player this is where the real magic is.
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While you might disagree based on your opinion, the fact is Viper4Android does indeed downsample audio. Go back into that same headfi.org thread he mentions and there will be people who conducted tests that show that. You cannot get bit perfect audio quality out of V4A because the V4A driver downsamples (V4A doesn't support HiFi audio), the audio.
This is why I tend to stay away from V4A. Sure, it makes the audio "sound" better but you're running the audio through so much processing things will get lost. V4A is great for when you have devices without a dedicated DAC. But, if your phone has a dedicated DAC or you have a DAC connected via OTG, it's best to go without V4A
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I don't take any credit for this I just discovered it here https://www.head-fi.org/threads/lg-v20-sound-quality.816024/page-189 and since I've never seen it mentioned at XDA I figured I would share it.
So I was playing around with my build.prop file (VS995) and I came across this line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false". After some googling I came across that page at head-fi.org and learned that if you set "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true" it enables the Hi-Fi DAC to handle 16-bit content natively. By default the V20 is set to do this with 24-bit content only.
I can't speak for all formats but with the lossless flac files that I listen to it made an amazing difference in sound quality.
Tested on my VS995 13A stock rooted rom and on WETA 5.0.7 US99610h rom that I have running with dual boot patcher. It worked on both so chances are this works on all variants.
UPDATE:
I started to get curious about this DAC tweak so I decided to play around with my old V10, VS990 rooted stock rom. The build.prop on my V10 does not have the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable= (true or false)" so I added the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true", rebooted and viola. My V10 now sounds even better than before.
So this works on the V10 as well as the V20. Probably the V30 too, assuming root has been achieved.
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Yeah, I have been using this tweak since the 990 got rooted. Works WONDERFULLY. Anything that can be done to et around the Android mixer is worth it to me. Bit perfect audio all the way around with this tweak.
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beavis5706 said:
I don't take any credit for this I just discovered it here https://www.head-fi.org/threads/lg-v20-sound-quality.816024/page-189 and since I've never seen it mentioned at XDA I figured I would share it.
So I was playing around with my build.prop file (VS995) and I came across this line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false". After some googling I came across that page at head-fi.org and learned that if you set "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true" it enables the Hi-Fi DAC to handle 16-bit content natively. By default the V20 is set to do this with 24-bit content only.
I can't speak for all formats but with the lossless flac files that I listen to it made an amazing difference in sound quality.
Tested on my VS995 13A stock rooted rom and on WETA 5.0.7 US99610h rom that I have running with dual boot patcher. It worked on both so chances are this works on all variants.
UPDATE:
I started to get curious about this DAC tweak so I decided to play around with my old V10, VS990 rooted stock rom. The build.prop on my V10 does not have the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable= (true or false)" so I added the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true", rebooted and viola. My V10 now sounds even better than before.
So this works on the V10 as well as the V20. Probably the V30 too, assuming root has been achieved.
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Yeah, I have been using this tweak since the 990 got rooted. Works WONDERFULLY. Anything that can be done to et around the Android mixer is worth it to me. Bit perfect audio all the way around with this tweak.
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While you might disagree based on your opinion, the fact is Viper4Android does indeed downsample audio. Go back into that same headfi.org thread he mentions and there will be people who conducted tests that show that. You cannot get bit perfect audio quality out of V4A because the V4A driver will ALWAYS use the Android mixer which downsamples, or upsamples depending on the file's quality, the audio.
This is why I tend to stay away from V4A. Sure, it makes the audio "sound" better but you're running the audio through so much processing things will get lost. V4A is great for when you have devices without a dedicated DAC. But, if your phone has a dedicated DAC or you have a DAC connected via OTG, it's best to go without V4A
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Well we can have a eternal discussion about this,"adiophiles" vs audio equalizer enthosiastics" viper4android is the best thing we have if you're a heavy equalizer user
It doesn't get better than that for android devices atm => Well... maybe with a hardware equalizer directly controlled from the kernel and DAC chip, there were some mods of that in the past with the wolfson dac chip from old android devices
For my personal use I cannot miss viper4android, clean default DAC sound is sounding dull for my "audeze insine 20 inears" for example
Poweramp and neutron does not the job well enough, not by far compared to viper4android
Technical speaking 16bit vs 32 bit rate is an improvement, but only by a small margin for my ears it's not worth letting go V4A
What DID improve the DAC was forcing the dac in high gain mode (other mod on this forum), this was a significant improvement imo, also audible in MP3's not only flac
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Well we can have a eternal discussion about this,"adiophiles" vs audio equalizer enthosiastics" viper4android is the best thing we have if you're a heavy equalizer user
It doesn't get better than that for android devices atm => Well... maybe with a hardware equalizer directly controlled from the kernel and DAC chip, there were some mods of that in the past with the wolfson dac chip from old android devices
For my personal use I cannot miss viper4android, clean default DAC sound is sounding dull for my audeze insine 20 inears for example
Poweramp and neutron does not the job well enough
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Here is the thing, you're speaking to opinion. I'm speaking to technical fact. When you use V4A, any audio you use is merely being amplified by the DAC and not being processed by it. Why do you think V4A doesn't work with the mod enabled? It's because Android is being set to run 16 bit audio through the DAC for processing and amplification. Thus, V4A isn't even touching the audio with this mod.
So, if V4A isn't touching 16-bit audio with this mod, then it's not even touching 24-bit audio by default. So it does the only thing it can do, it downsamples (since it downsamples any audio above 16/44 by default anyway, whereas Android's mixer upsamples to the max capability of the DAC). I cannot speak to what you feel is dull and such. That's your truth based on your musical ears.
All I am saying is this, V4A is nothing more but an EQ. A VERY GOOD one at that. If I didn't have the V20 or the Dragonfly Black, I would still be using V4A. But I don't because I have those tools at my disposal. Grab poweramp Alpha or Ainur and you will see the DAC come to life. V4A, and anything after this is my opinion, doesn't do anything close to what an app that lets the DAC do its job can do.
Installing V4A on this phone, again, my opinion is a waste of the full abilities of the DAC.. Using it just turns the DAC into an amplifier instead of allowing it to be the thing that processes audio IN ADDITION TO amplification.
Didn't know I could enjoy music on my phone without viper. All my mp3s/flac sound more lively. To my knowledge Power amp 3 still downsamples. Is the availability of the built-in equalizer a good trade off for the lost sample size?
Edit: Both viper and Dolby are broken with this mod
mookiexl said:
Didn't know I could enjoy music on my phone without viper. All my mp3s/flac sound more lively. To my knowledge Power amp 3 still downsamples. Is the availability of the built-in equalizer a good trade off for the lost sample size?
Edit: Both viper and Dolby are broken with this mod
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You could try blackplayer... It doesn't downsample. I use that because it also has an EQ and when I use my VE Monks, I need to tune the bass down
lyrical1278 said:
You could try blackplayer... It doesn't downsample. I use that because it also has an EQ and when I use my VE Monks, I need to tune the bass down
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Apparently the equalizer attempts to downsample once activated and you get no sound with this tweak. Oh well I'm good knowing I'm actually getting the most out the DAC at all times.
mookiexl said:
Didn't know I could enjoy music on my phone without viper. All my mp3s/flac sound more lively. To my knowledge Power amp 3 still downsamples. Is the availability of the built-in equalizer a good trade off for the lost sample size?
Edit: Both viper and Dolby are broken with this mod
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While this phone without viper sounds night and day better than any phone I've heard so far, viper still sounds the best with Poweramp imo
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What DID improve the DAC was forcing the dac in high gain mode (other mod on this forum), this was a significant improvement imo, also audible in MP3's not only flac
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Forcing it into High impedance does nothing for music quality.
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BROKEN1981 said:
Forcing it into High impedance does nothing for music quality.
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It really depends
Some headphones do like the extra power, headphones with low impedance who are still powerhungry for example. For my audeze isine 20 it made a difference
Some audiophile headphones like the extra voltage, fact they are low impedance doesn't always mean they are easy to drive
mookiexl said:
Apparently the equalizer attempts to downsample once activated and you get no sound with this tweak. Oh well I'm good knowing I'm actually getting the most out the DAC at all times.
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Do you mean V4A becomes broken? Because I am using BlackPlayer right now with the EQ activated (Blackplayer's built in EQ, not V4A) and I am having no issues plus there is no downsampling.
But yes, as I said in an earlier post, V4A will become broken (as will most audio mods) if you use this build.prop mod because the DAC will be handling 16-bit audio processing directly instead of it being bypassed and handled by the audio mods.
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jody2k said:
It really depends
Some headphones do like the extra power, headphones with low impedance who are still powerhungry for example. For my audeze isine 20 it made a difference
Some audiophile headphones like the extra voltage, fact they are low impedance doesn't always mean they are easy to drive
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High Impedance doesn't affect quality, it affects loudness. Since the amp in the V20 is actually pushing the headphones, the headphones are able to play louder. The quality is affected by the DAC whether h.i. is on or not. The quality doesn't change (unless you're into letting your audio clip), its just able to be louder.
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Do you mean V4A becomes broken? Because I am using BlackPlayer right now with the EQ activated (Blackplayer's built in EQ, not V4A) and I am having no issues plus there is no downsampling.
But yes, as I said in an earlier post, V4A will become broken (as will most audio mods) if you use this build.prop mod because the DAC will be handling 16-bit audio processing directly instead of it being bypassed and handled by the audio mods.
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High Impedance doesn't affect quality, it affects loudness. Since the amp in the V20 is actually pushing the headphones, the headphones are able to play louder. The quality is affected by the DAC whether h.i. is on or not. The quality doesn't change (unless you're into letting your audio clip), its just able to be louder.
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I'm not gona try to learn a donkey maths, i'm not talking about more volume it does more than just that. you clearly don't know what you're talking about and as in contrary you read on hi fi forums you don't know anything about soundquality or how it affects ears/headphones
You're an idiot yes that right I'm gona ignore you from now
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I'm not gona try to learn a donkey maths, i'm not talking about more volume it does more than just that. you clearly don't know what you're talking about and as in contrary you read on hi fi forums you don't know anything about soundquality or how it affects ears/headphones
You're an idiot yes that right I'm gona ignore you from now
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It only makes it louder. Just people say it does more then that on HiFi fourms does not make it true.
Just Google ohms law. It has no effect on audio quality. If you think High impedance makes better audio quality, then you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
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jody2k said:
Well we can have a eternal discussion about this,"adiophiles" vs audio equalizer enthosiastics" viper4android is the best thing we have if you're a heavy equalizer user
It doesn't get better than that for android devices atm => Well... maybe with a hardware equalizer directly controlled from the kernel and DAC chip, there were some mods of that in the past with the wolfson dac chip from old android devices
For my personal use I cannot miss viper4android, clean default DAC sound is sounding dull for my "audeze insine 20 inears" for example
Poweramp and neutron does not the job well enough, not by far compared to viper4android
Technical speaking 16bit vs 32 bit rate is an improvement, but only by a small margin for my ears it's not worth letting go V4A
What DID improve the DAC was forcing the dac in high gain mode (other mod on this forum), this was a significant improvement imo, also audible in MP3's not only flac
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i dunno why you praise v4A that much, but here is what i tried. i used v4A on my v20 with Razer adaro DJ, KZ Z26, and puresound 260ohm earbuds. it sounds great until my brother in law bring his cord mojo and Fiio Q1 Mark II dac/amp. no matter setting that i use in V4A i always got "buzzing" on my headphone/iem/earbuds. the bass were enough but i lost the vocal and instrument quality. it get worse when i use fiio as a dac. restore my backup and testing without V4A. and guess what? every noise and buzz gone. fiio as amp really blowing every sound aspect from my v20. more soundstage, neutral sound, etc. so yeah, if you only use v20 and iem v4a might be best for you but once you use external amp or dac it became useless even downgrading sound performance.
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i dunno why you praise v4A that much, but here is what i tried. i used v4A on my v20 with Razer adaro DJ, KZ Z26, and puresound 260ohm earbuds. it sounds great until my brother in law bring his cord mojo and Fiio Q1 Mark II dac/amp. no matter setting that i use in V4A i always got "buzzing" on my headphone/iem/earbuds. the bass were enough but i lost the vocal and instrument quality. it get worse when i use fiio as a dac. restore my backup and testing without V4A. and guess what? every noise and buzz gone. fiio as amp really blowing every sound aspect from my v20. more soundstage, neutral sound, etc. so yeah, if you only use v20 and iem v4a might be best for you but once you use external amp or dac it became useless even downgrading sound performance.
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Buzzing from your ear buds?? Maybe you did something wrong badly
And you lost vocal and instrument quality yes let me guess what you did: you boosted the bass options without boosting the low mids, mids and high's because you don't know how equalizing works because your that kind of audiophile who strives after pure neutral sound.
Ofcourse the chord mojo is on a other league here it's alot better yes I tried it too but no equalization options soo i was bit dissapointed afterwards, i loved the pure sound it was giving tho and maybe the only dac i could use without EQ but then again there is so much potential lost ... So sad
If the mojo could be paired with a decent EQ then this would be majestic sound i agree
Tried several DAP's from sony the nwzx2 was the one who came closest maybe even better yes but damn the price of that thing
I don't know why you guys try to dishonor v4a it's really good and all about the settings you use