Related
I don’t know if i in the right forum-but it appears what i am after which is “a fix to the touch-pro to enable UTMS 850 (wcdma)”, which has been released here in Australia as 900-2100. Telstra our biggest service provider operates on 850, so my “Touch Pro” does not work. Now here’s the thing, HTC released in Australia the Touch Diamond, operating at 900-2100 as is the Touch Pro, they have just released a new Telstra ROM in Australia that upgrades the settings of the Diamond to include the 850 range on utms, so the touch diamond in Australia is now UTS 850-2100. This means the problem is software, however I am nowhere near good at this, could someone not check out this rom and modify it for the Touch Pro, it is available on the HTC Australian site. If this works please let me know.
Thanks 20 times
Touch Pro European version has always had UMTS 850/1900 as a setting you can select. Problem is you can select it but it doesn't work. Do you know if the Telstra ROM you are referring to has been shown to work with UMTS 850?
20times said:
I don’t know if i in the right forum-but it appears what i am after which is “a fix to the touch-pro to enable UTMS 850 (wcdma)”, which has been released here in Australia as 900-2100. Telstra our biggest service provider operates on 850, so my “Touch Pro” does not work. Now here’s the thing, HTC released in Australia the Touch Diamond, operating at 900-2100 as is the Touch Pro, they have just released a new Telstra ROM in Australia that upgrades the settings of the Diamond to include the 850 range on utms, so the touch diamond in Australia is now UTS 850-2100. This means the problem is software, however I am nowhere near good at this, could someone not check out this rom and modify it for the Touch Pro, it is available on the HTC Australian site. If this works please let me know.
Thanks 20 times
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is not a UMTS-850 update, see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2480588&postcount=26
bersca said:
Touch Pro European version has always had UMTS 850/1900 as a setting you can select. Problem is you can select it but it doesn't work. Do you know if the Telstra ROM you are referring to has been shown to work with UMTS 850?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The touch Pro in Australia, does not even have an option for 850 utms as did the the touch dimond, however they have just released an upgrade rom for the dimond that now makes it possible to obtain 850 utms. As the dimond is similar to the touch pro couldnt the experts extract the settings from that rom and export it to the Touch Pro rom? I dont know im just hoping thats the case. If so it should fix the range in europe as well?
850 band in australia
i have ben told by australian htc support that it is a hardware limitation that they will not fix this that they have no intention to do so. They have basically turned there nose up at Telstra as they didnt want to support there phone 3 interpret that as cash), so they have not offered the 850 band as a hardware limitation.
Those with cracked roms showing 850 band, does not operate at 850.
I am extremely mad at this narrow minded pathetic device for which I purchased two of them for about 2500 bucks in total and because I use telstra there comments are along the lines of (paraphrased) get stufed, we dont care, were not refunding, we wont warranty it, the device is not a total pathetic useless piece of **** cause we told you it was 900/2100 only!!!
I know a lot about these phones used them for years and didnt pickup the omission of 850 band (not knowing), my complaint is they should expressly state that "IT DOES NOT WORK ON TELSTRA NEXT G NETWORK AND YOU WILL NOT GET NEXT G SPEED, NEXT G COVERAGE, NOR HSDPA INTERNET SPEEDS ON THE TELSTRA NETWORK"
so in essence, you can only use this on vodaphone, optus, or 3 network.
My phones default back to EDGE speeds wtf!!! alas, the omission rather than explicit statements is what the sneaky good for nothing companies now resort to.
Due credit to www.expansys.com.au, they with integrity, honesty and openness have updated there website to state it will not support telstra next G
As such, dont bother. HTC felt it was prudent in there business management and marketing hype to exclude Australia biggest telecommunications company, fastest internet speed, and greatest coverage.... whilst simulataneously stating that the device is not faulty or flawed and was done by design and marketed by omission!!!
I sent a message to HTC customer support.... I wonder if they will respond....
Curiosity and frustration has got the better of me.
What is the state of your phones with compatability to the nextG network in Australia. I would love to get a HD but if it means that Im only going to get edge network performance I would be better off getting a 16gb iPhone!
For the same argument, I work for a large importer and travel a lot. So cross band compatability IS an issue if I am travelling asia and europe.
Can I please find out what the plans are for your devices on the BIGGEST mobile network in Australia... Telstra NextG.
Or alternately why you have made the choice to shun NextG users and corporate travellers by castrating these wonderful devices and leaving them half as functional as they should be???
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
850 band
LOL
Good onya
Bet they dont respond, or they respond with there normal subtleties and innuendo promising everything, delivering something sub-optimal.
There weird i find, in there marketing pitch that they can "spin" on a complaint or comment with avoidance and subtleties.
I also a a long time user of HTC, and brought the Touch Pro from expansys without knowledge of the no support for Telstra. HTC as quoted told me also that they had no intention of supporting Telstra, cut your nose despite your face or what! “Only the biggest service provider in the country and the only provider that supports country areas”. Who is in charge of their marketing? What an idiot. Everyone says it is a hardware limitation, well im not a phone tech just a user and HTC said that about the HTC Dimond 900-2100. Well how come HTC and Telstra now support the Dimond and all of a sudden the ROM upgrade allows the dimond to have 850-2100? I know for a fact in about 6 months Telstra through HTC will release the ROM upgrade for the Touch Pro. So i don’t believe HTC about the hardware limitations and I believe the answers out there, it just gona take someone with a lot more knowledge than me to work it out. I would not have thought there was not that much difference in the Touch Pro ROM and the Dimond ROM- however as stated im no expert.
Thanks 20Times
Does anyone have an update on this? Is it possible to find out what they did firmware wise on the Diamond?
I too don't believe there is a hardware limitation, oddly though when I went to the latest Hut3 ROM (for AUstralia) I have the UMTS850 option but it doesn't work (no surprise).
Maybe some of the more experienced members can look into the diffeence between a working Diamond UMTS850 ROM & the Hut3 ROM?
The response.....
Hi All,
I got a response... and it wasn't dismissive though it was short and stated only about the HD (sorry, I know its the TP thread!).
They said they are expecting to relaes the HD on the Australian Market in January 09 and that it is expected that there will be a NextG compatable version.
If that means a 850 UMTS version then there "should" be a US version too.
Lets wait and see what HTC can bring to the table.
To be honest folks, I despise and hate Telstra with every bone in my body (people complain about Microsoft but Telstra is 10 BILLION times WORSE!!!!) so I really don't care about this issue... BUT
1. Telstra does NOT offer the TP on their network or for sale within their shops/resellers
2. HTC have NEVER said or listed the TP as being compatible with the Telstra CrapG Australia-only network
3. HTC have ALWAYS listed the frequencies their phones work on - a NORMAL person would have done due diligence BEFORE spending any money
4. A NORMAL person would know Telstra HAS to be different from the rest of the world*, which means ONLY phones sold by Telstra are known to work on their network.
Basically... YOU stuffed up. It is YOUR fault YOU did not LOOK / LEARN and READ. It is NOT HTC's fault. Next time you consider buying a phone... do your homework!!! Don't blame others for YOUR own mistakes.
Bottom line - you should have purchased the 850Mhz American version as they have just as bad mobile phone systems as Telstra - so they might be compatible. Personally I do not think a software update to the phone will enable and allow the 850Mhz freq to work correctly... because there are two hardware versions of the phone available for sale; one for the 900/1900/2100 and another for the 850.
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
NOTE: I do not work for any of the businesses named in this posting... but I do have a Touch Pro that I can use anywhere in the world, including Australia :-D
GTRoberts said:
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
While I agree with the rest of your message... but just to clarify..
1. North American markets use 850/1900 I believe because when those networks were being built, the 900/1800mhz frequencies were already allocated by the FCC in the USA. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Technical_details "Some countries in the Americas (including Canada and the United States) use the 850 MHz and 1900 MHz bands because the 900 and 1800 MHz frequency bands were already allocated."
2. Canada, and several countries in South America followed USA using 850/1900 because they saw more value in being able to offer network compatibility (read: roaming charges) to USA travelers, than overseas travelers.
3. Networks in North America share the frequencies just like they do in non-North American markets, for example, T-Mobile, and AT&T in the USA operate in the same bands, as do Rogers & Fido in Canada (the fact that Rogers now actually owns Fido is beside the point, they shared the frequency when Fido was owned by Microcell as well). I also happen to know that the USA/Canada markets are sharing the bands fine as well... being a resident of Niagara Falls, Canada... being so close to the Canada/USA border I can give 1st hand experience that depending on where I am, its not unusual for me to pick up the USA networks while in Canada and still being able to see my own. Personally, I believe that some of the USA carriers have purposely put towers as close to the border as possible in an attempt to catch unsuspecting Canadians roaming on their networks even though they have not left the country. I know I had this happen to me before, thankfully Rogers was willing to reverse the charges for me.
The point being, the 900/1800 frequencies were already allocated for other purposes in the USA at the time that some non-North American markets decided on those frequencies. So in reality, you should be blaming those networks/carriers/regulators/governments/etc. for NOT having forward thinking and picking frequencies that they knew ahead of time would not be suitable in the USA.
GTRoberts said:
To be honest folks, I despise and hate Telstra with every bone in my body (people complain about Microsoft but Telstra is 10 BILLION times WORSE!!!!) so I really don't care about this issue... BUT
1. Telstra does NOT offer the TP on their network or for sale within their shops/resellers
2. HTC have NEVER said or listed the TP as being compatible with the Telstra CrapG Australia-only network
3. HTC have ALWAYS listed the frequencies their phones work on - a NORMAL person would have done due diligence BEFORE spending any money
4. A NORMAL person would know Telstra HAS to be different from the rest of the world*, which means ONLY phones sold by Telstra are known to work on their network.
Basically... YOU stuffed up. It is YOUR fault YOU did not LOOK / LEARN and READ. It is NOT HTC's fault. Next time you consider buying a phone... do your homework!!! Don't blame others for YOUR own mistakes.
Bottom line - you should have purchased the 850Mhz American version as they have just as bad mobile phone systems as Telstra - so they might be compatible. Personally I do not think a software update to the phone will enable and allow the 850Mhz freq to work correctly... because there are two hardware versions of the phone available for sale; one for the 900/1900/2100 and another for the 850.
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
NOTE: I do not work for any of the businesses named in this posting... but I do have a Touch Pro that I can use anywhere in the world, including Australia :-D
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the informative feedback GTroberts, obviously your one of the PDA users that access you PDA in the city, maybe you would be better of using a PC. There are some people who don’t have a choice about their service provider because they use the PDAs for work and that work involves travelling in country areas, where push email is actually used what it was designed for, travelling! The only service provider that effectively covers the country is Telstra, I know as all other user with Hutchinson-Optus etc-have no coverage whilst I am still receiving phone calls and data. So as much as I don’t like Telstra they have the market-the country market- so loose the tunnel vision. Additionally no one is winging about the non availability of 850, people are asking how do we get it. As for being stupid for buying the Touch Pro in Australia for Telstra, newsflash- every HTC I have brought was compatible prior to the TP, I was on a waiting list with Expansys before it was released or the specification was available, when purchased Expansys never had the fact that it was not compatible with Next G. So when i received the phone I had no idea, as did some other folks on this forum. The fact is that everyone has realised a mistake was made and we are all only searching for solutions. It sounds like your part of the problem and not part of the solution. As for myself I have brought a Dimond and in time I know ROM will be released to upgrade the TP on 850.
20times
Defense for the bad purchase...
I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the 850Mhz problem in the Diamond. I have purchased no less than 10 different phones from europe and this was the first time that there was a problem with quad band! My guy that I used to buy them from always told me "quad band bla bla..." lol after wasting almost $1000 US on a phone that sucks unless you send it overseas! I feel for ya brotha!
I dont agree with the fact that everyone is going to know every spec when you buy a phone...I bet you didnt know your phone could function as a disk drive! So what is the sense of "beating up" a guy that just lost/wasted mad money on a phone that SHOULD HAVE WORKED! How much do you think they saved on the "quad band delete" option? 50 cents a phone? I would almost guarantee that it had something to do with ATT! Conversation would have gone something like this....
Ya, uhh...hi, htc? yeah, this is bob the buyer from ATT...Yeah we would like to give you a purchase order for 3 billion dollars of that new phone you have, the touch pro, but I would like to put a stop to all of our customers buying imported phones...do you think you could F**K everyone else and just make the euro released phone not function at full speed over here, you know, not make it as cool as the apple 3G phone that we wasted so much on advertising with? That way "we can be in control of our network" (yeah right) Oh and by the way, we will still sell your phones even though we worship apple...
Just my 2 cents!
Anyone in anywhere besides USA and Australia want a good deal on an "almost new" Touch Pro?
[email protected]
BOOMIN!
Take responsability for your actions
boomin said:
I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the 850Mhz problem in the Diamond. I have purchased no less than 10 different phones from europe and this was the first time that there was a problem with quad band! My guy that I used to buy them from always told me "quad band bla bla..." lol after wasting almost $1000 US on a phone that sucks unless you send it overseas! I feel for ya brotha!
I dont agree with the fact that everyone is going to know every spec when you buy a phone...I bet you didnt know your phone could function as a disk drive! So what is the sense of "beating up" a guy that just lost/wasted mad money on a phone that SHOULD HAVE WORKED! How much do you think they saved on the "quad band delete" option? 50 cents a phone? I would almost guarantee that it had something to do with ATT! Conversation would have gone something like this....
Ya, uhh...hi, htc? yeah, this is bob the buyer from ATT...Yeah we would like to give you a purchase order for 3 billion dollars of that new phone you have, the touch pro, but I would like to put a stop to all of our customers buying imported phones...do you think you could F**K everyone else and just make the euro released phone not function at full speed over here, you know, not make it as cool as the apple 3G phone that we wasted so much on advertising with? That way "we can be in control of our network" (yeah right) Oh and by the way, we will still sell your phones even though we worship apple...
Just my 2 cents!
Anyone in anywhere besides USA and Australia want a good deal on an "almost new" Touch Pro?
[email protected]
BOOMIN!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Please, don't blame others for your lack of care.
If you are buying a 1000 bucks phone you should check it's specs before closing the deal, specially if you're bringing it overseas.
In fact, when buiyng technology articles/products, you should search all the info about them, specially previews/reviews about it, in order to don't end up with something not suit for the use you intend it to.
And just because in your prior buys you didn't have a problem like the one you face now it doesn't mean you did right before.
No, on your other buys I were lucky despite being as careless.
So, stop crying and take responsability for your actions!
You did wrong, not the guys who made the phone nor the one's who sold it to you! You were careless and this time you were out of luck.
Live with it and learn your lesson: be carefull on your next buys, get all the product info before buiyng!
I assure you the chances of getting something different from what you expected will be close to zero.
That's it, I hope this post helps educating some "geeks" and whoever is interested and as well puts some shame on the careless whiners around the forums.
Lastly, sorry for going off topic, but it appeared to be the right thing to do at this time.
Cheers to all.
P.S.: Mods, please close this thread, the question has been answered and the subject is already covered around the forums as well.
boomin said:
I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I do know my cellphone can work as a disk drive, does it make me an educated Geek as well?? lol
I need to point out, you do not necessarily know every spec of a phone that you are about to spend thousand dollars to purchase. It's something up to you to decide. However, while you encounter a problem, do not blame the manufacture of the phone while they've already stated the working frequency of the phone on their website and even other places have the information as well. Could you really blame that??
I personally do not think that Expansys needs to clearly put "does not support Telstra's Next-G network" in words since if you are such a person who is willing to make a purchase out of such a "RIPOFF" website for a 1st hand experience for a newest tech gadget, you should know technology stuff really well, from inside out. So it really makes yourself to be the only one responsible for such an outcome. Unless Expansys or HTC mistakenly stated that the phone (Raphael 100) worked on UMTS850MHz, then you should really blame on Expansys, or HTC. Other than that, good luck.
Well, itz just my 2 cents.
all you can do now is selling your phone and go grab a US version one. mine works pretty well.
G.
3G no Next G
I live in a regional area (Next G, not 3G), but when I visited Perth last week, I was able to pick up Telstra3G on my HTC Touch Pro.
It was on AUTO band select so I don't know which frequency it picked up on. I'm runnin [email protected] v1.40 WWE, radio 1.02.25.32.
Still, my mate can pickup the NextG network on his Diamond, but I can't on my pro
I'm no expert but I was of the understanding is that the Raph and Diamond share most of the same hardware. I've seen on the Raph Radio Thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439566 that you can use a Diamond Radio on the Touch Pro (as long as you Security Unlock first). I'm on the 3 network (so I can watch the cricket ) so I can't test for you but I think flashing with a one of Telstra Diamond Radios might be worth a try. I've tried checking the wiki to see which Radio comes with the current Diamond from Telstra but the info doesn't seem to be there. You may need to trawl the Diamond forums to see what version others are using.
Hello all. After trolling the forums for hours, I am still unsure where we are at with all this. Could someone please advise if there is a solution to using a Touch Pro on the Telstra 3G network? Thanks in advance.
it works on telstra 3G edge and gprs but not telstra next G. 3g coverage for telstra is poor. they promote next g.
can i use an unlocked at&t atrix in the philippines?
and can it be upgraded to GB in the philippines?
im new here.. tnx..
Yes, it will makes calls.
No, 3G will not work. Edge however, should.
Yes, you will be able to update it manually using motorola's update guide.
mvolkhart said:
Yes, it will makes calls.
No, 3G will not work. Edge however, should.
Yes, you will be able to update it manually using motorola's update guide.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thanks man! appreciate it.. i know that the atrix have quadband for gsm which supports 900/1800 here in the phils and for the 3G, the band here is 2100, why it wont work? ... and other than updating manually, can i update it via wi-fi?
The 2100 band is the problem. AT&T Atrix doesn't support that band.
I don't think the OTA works using wifi but you can download the stock update using wifi and apply it.
CORRECTION: it does support the 2100 3G frequency. I didn't understand the whole WCDMA vs GSM thing correctly
i have read some old reviews when it is still in Froyo and there are a lot of complaints about the laggy pinch to zoom of Atrix.. how is the pinch to zoom of pictures in Atrix GB?
I have not experienced any problems. The zoom is very responsive
well i just hope someone who bought an unlocked at&t Atrix from the US and used it here in the Philippines would post their experience about the phone. i have read from different sites and forums that they have complaints about Atrix connectivity like wi-fi and bluetooth in different countries.
it's just too bad only few people here in the Philippines use Atrix.
I used my phone in the philippines. I was able to get internet on it. Not sure it was 3g but it was the h+ symbol on both smart and globe. I went to their offices to help set it up. Just remember, most places won't have 3g yet especially those place that don't support smartbro or globe broadband which uses the 3g signal I believe. Just ask for help there.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
pilboyz said:
i have read from different sites and forums that they have complaints about Atrix connectivity like wi-fi and bluetooth in different countries.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wi-Fi and Bluetooth use the same standards around the world. I wouldn't pay too much attention to those complaints.
The issue with GSM coverage is that the phone must support the frequency bands for the local carrier's equipment, and the carrier must support the specific GSM standards (GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSUPA, LTE, etc.) that the phone is capable of. The Atrix 4G does indeed support 2100 MHz but as other folks have noted in this thread, the main carriers in the Phils (Smart and Globe) don't support HSPA+.
https://developer.motorola.com/products/atrix-mb860/
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_Deployed_HSUPA_networks
im quite confused about that 3G thing.. your post was right.. Philippines do not belong to the list of HSUPA networks.. but when I viewed the list of HSDPA networks, Philippines was there.. (i could not share the link for the meantime, 3 more posts needed).. this got me really confused.. im afraid i cannot use internet services by ISP.. maybe wi-fi only..
thank you guys for helping.. i really appreciate it.
mamoranto said:
I used my phone in the philippines. I was able to get internet on it. Not sure it was 3g but it was the h+ symbol on both smart and globe. I went to their offices to help set it up. Just remember, most places won't have 3g yet especially those place that don't support smartbro or globe broadband which uses the 3g signal I believe. Just ask for help there.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thanks man.. i felt a little relieved..
can i ask something? after the GB update, i have read that it does not offer settings in the SMS regarding its delivery reports? and when u send messages, does it have sent items?
im sorry for such inquisitions and being a noob..
i just want to know more about this phone before buying so that i wont have regrets..
thanks again..
pilboyz said:
your post was right.. Philippines do not belong to the list of HSUPA networks.. but when I viewed the list of HSDPA networks, Philippines was there.. (i could not share the link for the meantime, 3 more posts needed)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'd be interested to see your link, but if it came from the same site as the one where folks think that wi-fi and BT won't work in the Phils. then again, I wouldn't put much stock in that claim. HSPA upgrades aren't cheap and with 1 Peso per minute calling plans I don't think the carriers there have much of an upgrade budget. (My wife is a Filipina and has had GSM phones here in the states ever since AT&T has been selling them.)
pilboyz said:
after the GB update, i have read that it does not offer settings in the SMS regarding its delivery reports? and when u send messages, does it have sent items?
im sorry for such inquisitions and being a noob..
i just want to know more about this phone before buying so that i wont have regrets..
thanks again..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No problem with the questions.
I don't recall if my Atrix had an option for SMS delivery reports prior to me applying the OTA update to GB. I don't see that option now, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. In any event that sounds like a feature of the Android OS (if it actually exists). So if it's lacking (or present ) on other Android phones then I would expect the same for the Atrix.
thanks andy for the informative replies. Im quite relieved now after i have read the previous post by mamoranto.
because i have have had 5 GSM phones from the states which came from different carriers and i have no idea on their specific details (because mostly are gifts), out of the 5 phones only 2 phones are used for "all around, daily purposes" because here in the philippines, texting is the number purpose of a phone. does the Atrix have sent items/messages stored after you send an sms?
sorry for my noobish questions.
AndyPhreak said:
HSPA upgrades aren't cheap and with 1 Peso per minute calling plans I don't think the carriers there have much of an upgrade budget. (My wife is a Filipina and has had GSM phones here in the states ever since AT&T has been selling them.)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well I stand corrected.
The "Globe Telecom" page on Wikipedia claims both 3G and HSDPA support on their networks. Apparently they've just begun rolling out WiMAX in Metro Manila and points south as well. This page reads like marketing copy, so I assume this info comes straight from Globe.
Dang...wish I was in the Philippines again!
oooppss sorry for the previous post... it was answered.
pilboyz said:
because i have have had 5 GSM phones from the states which came from different carriers and i have no idea on their specific details (because mostly are gifts), out of the 5 phones only 2 phones are used for "all around, daily purposes" because here in the philippines, texting is the number purpose of a phone. does the Atrix have sent items/messages stored after you send an sms?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think *every* phone in the Phils originally came from the states, LOL. Or at least that's the way with my wife's family. My sis-in-law just got my daughter's barely-used iPhone 3Gs, and my niece there just got my wife's BlackBerry Curve (wife and daughter had to get new iPhone 4).
Are you gonna buy this Atrix new there? You must be rich...
P.S. The Atrix does keep copies of sent and received SMS messages. It shows them in threads/conversations like iPhone, or Chikka.
It uses the Text Messaging app which I think is part of the Android OS. Motorola also throws in their own messaging widget if you want you want to use that.
My dinner break is over and I need to quit this thread for now...
Mabuhay!
Hello,
I have an AT&T i777 rooted running Shostock2 and I am looking to buy the international version for my daughter. Trying to separate from my contract lockup with AT&T.
What exactly is the difference between the different 9100 models (G, T, etc), and is there a better one among them? I want the most reliable one (in case the different processors makes any difference in that regard) and also one that would allow rooting and custom ROMs.
Also, it needs to work with any U.S. carrier at the highest speed that they offer. I saw one on eBay but it says "Will not work with T-Mobile or Simple Mobile 3G/4G speeds" and I am not sure why.
Thanks in advance.
Imo u'd decide to get i9100G as it powered by TI OMAP SoC which mostly being open sourced to support better & early development. But if u want it to come with NFC featured i9100P is.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda app-developers app
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_II
I wonder how much of a "deal breaker" should NFC capability be. Looks like it is very difficult to find a P model in the US. I could probably go with T-Mobile one but from what I read it is a bit inferior to the AT&T and International models.
Then again - what if I do want the T-Mobile's 4G speeds....tough decision
sbi1 said:
I wonder how much of a "deal breaker" should NFC capability be. Looks like it is very difficult to find a P model in the US. I could probably go with T-Mobile one but from what I read it is a bit inferior to the AT&T and International models.
Then again - what if I do want the T-Mobile's 4G speeds....tough decision
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
NFC=android beam, mobile cc payments, transferring files by tapping.
And maybe speed will also sacrifices power (batt), like 2G vs 3G/H+..
Intl i9100 maybe ur easy deal but maybe 2nd P var.? Ebay?
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda app-developers app
Adam Hui said:
NFC=android beam, mobile cc payments, transferring files by tapping.
And maybe speed will also sacrifices power (batt), like 2G vs 3G/H+..
Intl i9100 maybe ur easy deal but maybe 2nd P var.? Ebay?
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What is "2nd P Var.?" I am looking at eBay, almost impossible to find P on eBay for selling/shipping to U.S.
I meant second hand stuff buddy, sorry..
Just forget s2.. why don't u be patience & wait for lg or sony nexus4 as it's next Google golden boy. U'll taste pure aosp & find the updates dancing in ur phone w/o brand or carrier resistance..
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda app-developers app
Adam Hui said:
I meant second hand stuff buddy, sorry..
Just forget s2.. why don't u be patience & wait for lg or sony nexus4 as it's next Google golden boy. U'll taste pure aosp & find the updates dancing in ur phone w/o brand or carrier resistance..
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, first of all, it's for my daughter, not me , she is the one who needs to be patient. But her old phone (Samsung Solstice 2, which is a piece of crap) is dying, it gets stuck all the time, turns off by itself, etc. She needs a new phone.
Second, I am not a big fan of Sony phones and/or LG phones. We had LG before (not a smart phone) and it was too a piece of crap. I am 100% convinced that in recent years, when the Smart Phones started to become so popular and companies started making so much money off of data plans, the manufacturers deliberately made the 'dumb' phones crappy, there is no other explanation for it.
I believe that Samsung and HTC are the best phones in the market these days (Android), not really sure I could like a 'Sony'.
sbi1 said:
Hello,
I have an AT&T i777 rooted running Shostock2 and I am looking to buy the international version for my daughter. Trying to separate from my contract lockup with AT&T.
What exactly is the difference between the different 9100 models (G, T, etc), and is there a better one among them? I want the most reliable one (in case the different processors makes any difference in that regard) and also one that would allow rooting and custom ROMs.
Also, it needs to work with any U.S. carrier at the highest speed that they offer. I saw one on eBay but it says "Will not work with T-Mobile or Simple Mobile 3G/4G speeds" and I am not sure why.
Thanks in advance.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You have a few options, but just keep in mind that the standard i9100 has the largest userbase, the most external support, and the quickest official updates from Samsung. In fact, these "similar yet different" models of the first Galaxy S were the first to lose official support. The i9100p may sound nice with NFC, but one feature isn't worth potentially losing out on updates. The i9100G uses a lesser version of the SOC found in the Galaxy Nexus. Unless the storage is a concern, the Galaxy Nexus would be a better (and cheaper) option in this case.
So, that leaves you with the vanilla GT-I9100, and it's still a kick-ass phone IMO. Comes in several colors but black and white are the easiest to find. Bonus if you get the black one, it will work on AT&T's medianet plan, which is truly unlimited data, no throttling, and no wifi hotspot restrictions, and it's $15/mo (or $10/mo if you have unlimited text). I've been using this for the past year and change. Added myself to my wfie's family plan and it cost us $9.99/mo for the line, $10/mo for the data, and that was it. I'm on pace to use over 30GB this month and I don't care
sbi1 said:
Well, first of all, it's for my daughter, not me , she is the one who needs to be patient. But her old phone (Samsung Solstice 2, which is a piece of crap) is dying, it gets stuck all the time, turns off by itself, etc. She needs a new phone.
Second, I am not a big fan of Sony phones and/or LG phones. We had LG before (not a smart phone) and it was too a piece of crap. I am 100% convinced that in recent years, when the Smart Phones started to become so popular and companies started making so much money off of data plans, the manufacturers deliberately made the 'dumb' phones crappy, there is no other explanation for it.
I believe that Samsung and HTC are the best phones in the market these days (Android), not really sure I could like a 'Sony'.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nexus=Google phone
Whatever the brands that google has choosen to be a nexus device is android best choice... the only deal breaker is lack of external sdcard supported..
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda app-developers app
You could maybe send a PM to a helpful guy called ctomgee.He knows about US phones and could advise you best variant,providers etc.
Once you get a phone,you can then install custom roms etc,which gives the phone a new lease of life.
theunderling said:
You could maybe send a PM to a helpful guy called ctomgee.He knows about US phones and could advise you best variant,providers etc.
Once you get a phone,you can then install custom roms etc,which gives the phone a new lease of life.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I appreciate the endorsement of my knowledge, but please don't PM me, or encourage others to do so.
sbi1 said:
Hello,
I have an AT&T i777 rooted running Shostock2 and I am looking to buy the international version for my daughter. Trying to separate from my contract lockup with AT&T.
What exactly is the difference between the different 9100 models (G, T, etc), and is there a better one among them? I want the most reliable one (in case the different processors makes any difference in that regard) and also one that would allow rooting and custom ROMs.
Also, it needs to work with any U.S. carrier at the highest speed that they offer. I saw one on eBay but it says "Will not work with T-Mobile or Simple Mobile 3G/4G speeds" and I am not sure why.
Thanks in advance.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
About phones working or not working with T-Mobile in the US, this is why; T-Mobile (at the moment, for their overall network) uses AWS for high-speed mobile data. AWS requires both 1700 mhz and 2100 mhz to get 3g/4g, as it uses one frequency for uplink, and the other for downlink. If one phone is not capable of receiving one of the frequencies, then the best mobile data speed the device will receive is Edge.
Now, they (T-mobile USA) are currently in the process of repurposing the spectrum of the 1900 mhz band they use now for Edge data and voice, to use it for high speed data instead. This will allow some phones that currently only get Edge speeds on T-mobile USA's network to get their "4g" speeds. That includes many of AT&T's phones (if they're unlocked), and the i9100, which receives high speed mobile data on 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 mhz. (notice the missing 1700 - which is why it won't necessarily get high speed on T-mobile USA's network... unless the market you're in has already had the repurposing of the 1900 mhz band)
However, this repurposing has already only happened in a handful of markets, though the rollout is currently underway.
Hope this makes sense.
EDIT to add:
Also, about the different I9100 variants - there are minor differences between the I9100, and the variants I9100P/T/M.
The P variant includes NFC, the T variant has a slight variance with the SAR values for the radio (so modems specifically for the T model work best for that model), and the M variant is simply a branded regional variant for the Canadian market (as far as I can tell). The CPU/GPU/SoC are all the same for these 4 variants.
The I9100G has a completely different CPU/GPU/SoC chipset, so firmwares, kernels, and ROMs are NOT compatible between this one variant, and the four listed above. But for most users, the performance between this variant and the others are very similar and comparable.
That said, they all have the same antenna/radio hardware, so what I said above regarding data speeds on T-Mobile USA above applies to all of them. This also means they all work just fine for high speed data on AT&T's network.
Ok tom.
I came in here to add to my previous post about which phones (and why) will/will not work on T-Mobile, but Tom beat me to it, so I'll just simply add this:
If you want 2G/3G/4G now and in the future, get the Galaxy Nexus as it's pentaband.
If you're ok with 2G and don't mind waiting on 3G/4G, get any phone, like the i9100, that supports the 1900mhz band. T-Mobile stated that they anticipate their 1900mhz refarm to conclude in mid-2013 and will cover ALL 229 current AWS HSPA+ markets.
jaykresge said:
Bonus if you get the black one, it will work on AT&T's medianet plan, which is truly unlimited data, no throttling, and no wifi hotspot restrictions, and it's $15/mo (or $10/mo if you have unlimited text). I've been using this for the past year and change.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
OK, can you elaborate on this a bit? What do you mean by "black" one? Is a black I9100 different from a white one other than color?
Also, are you referring to AT&T's 'non-smart phone unlimited plan'?
Sent from my SGH-I777 using xda app-developers app
Thank you all.
ctomgee said:
I appreciate the endorsement of my knowledge, but please don't PM me, or encourage others to do so.
About phones working or not working with T-Mobile in the US, this is why; T-Mobile (at the moment, for their overall network) uses AWS for high-speed mobile data. AWS requires both 1700 mhz and 2100 mhz to get 3g/4g, as it uses one frequency for uplink, and the other for downlink. If one phone is not capable of receiving one of the frequencies, then the best mobile data speed the device will receive is Edge.
Now, they (T-mobile USA) are currently in the process of repurposing the spectrum of the 1900 mhz band they use now for Edge data and voice, to use it for high speed data instead. This will allow some phones that currently only get Edge speeds on T-mobile USA's network to get their "4g" speeds. That includes many of AT&T's phones (if they're unlocked), and the i9100, which receives high speed mobile data on 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 mhz. (notice the missing 1700 - which is why it won't necessarily get high speed on T-mobile USA's network... unless the market you're in has already had the repurposing of the 1900 mhz band)
However, this repurposing has already only happened in a handful of markets, though the rollout is currently underway.
Hope this makes sense.
EDIT to add:
Also, about the different I9100 variants - there are minor differences between the I9100, and the variants I9100P/T/M.
The P variant includes NFC, the T variant has a slight variance with the SAR values for the radio (so modems specifically for the T model work best for that model), and the M variant is simply a branded regional variant for the Canadian market (as far as I can tell). The CPU/GPU/SoC are all the same for these 4 variants.
The I9100G has a completely different CPU/GPU/SoC chipset, so firmwares, kernels, and ROMs are NOT compatible between this one variant, and the four listed above. But for most users, the performance between this variant and the others are very similar and comparable.
That said, they all have the same antenna/radio hardware, so what I said above regarding data speeds on T-Mobile USA above applies to all of them. This also means they all work just fine for high speed data on AT&T's network.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you for a broad response. I learned something new!
We don't necessarily want to be on T-Mobile, I mentioned T-Mobile because I want to have options...I don't want to be locked to one carrier and T-Mobile offers a great deal with "bring your own unlocked phone, get a sim card with unlimited text/data". So it was just brought as an option for us to have.
In any case, I did offer a T-Mobile (T989) version to my daughter, she "kindly" refused...she does not want to see any logo on her phone . She also doesn't care much about the NFC, even though this can be 'fixed' through an SD card solution if (as she says) "The government will force you to have NFC..." , so I am now just looking for a good deal on a I9100 version.
BTW - what is the Nexus?! I am not familiar with it at all. Does it also come in branded (AT&T, T-Mobile, etc) as well as unlocked?
Thanks again.
sbi1 said:
what is the Nexus?! I am not familiar with it at all. Does it also come in branded (AT&T, T-Mobile, etc) as well as unlocked?
Thanks again.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nexus is the 'pure' android phone. Comes with stock android. No OEM bloatware or UI like Samsung's TouchWiz or HTC's SenseUI.
The biggest advantage of nexus phones however, is that they're the first to get any android update.
And yes, you do get it unlocked as well.
Hope it helps.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda app-developers app
sbi1 said:
Thank you all.
Thank you for a broad response. I learned something new!
We don't necessarily want to be on T-Mobile, I mentioned T-Mobile because I want to have options...I don't want to be locked to one carrier and T-Mobile offers a great deal with "bring your own unlocked phone, get a sim card with unlimited text/data". So it was just brought as an option for us to have.
In any case, I did offer a T-Mobile (T989) version to my daughter, she "kindly" refused...she does not want to see any logo on her phone . She also doesn't care much about the NFC, even though this can be 'fixed' through an SD card solution if (as she says) "The government will force you to have NFC..." , so I am now just looking for a good deal on a I9100 version.
BTW - what is the Nexus?! I am not familiar with it at all. Does it also come in branded (AT&T, T-Mobile, etc) as well as unlocked?
Thanks again.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As HAXTREME said above. Plus: http://www.google.com/nexus
sbi1 said:
OK, can you elaborate on this a bit? What do you mean by "black" one? Is a black I9100 different from a white one other than color?
Also, are you referring to AT&T's 'non-smart phone unlimited plan'?
Sent from my SGH-I777 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't know why that guy differentiated between the black i9100 and the white i9100. As far as I know, there shouldn't be a difference between them, unless someone can provide us information otherwise.
EDIT: ah. I was curious and did a search on this. Apparently many have reported that their white i9100 gets flagged as a blackberry by AT&T for some reason, causing a bump in their data plan to the 2Gb tiered data plan. I didn't know this. I find that curious.
ctomgee said:
EDIT: ah. I was curious and did a search on this. Apparently many have reported that their white i9100 gets flagged as a blackberry by AT&T for some reason, causing a bump in their data plan to the 2Gb tiered data plan. I didn't know this. I find that curious.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Interesting. I tried Google for 'difference' between them and didn't see anything. It sounds odd to me, to say the least. Question is - did those who report this issue also had a black one, to compare how AT&T "reads" their phone. Really doesn't make sense, but I am curious too.
Figured I'd come back and answer some questions, but thanks again to Tom for taking care of that To elaborate a bit further:
Whether or not your phone will work on AT&T's medianet plan is determined by whether or not they have loaded the device's IMEI database into their system. If they have, then they can detect your phone and will not allow medianet access. The international SGS3 and the Galaxy Nexus have already been detected. The white i9100 (SGS2) is detected as a Blackberry as it has a different IMEI database than the black or pink models. However, if you do get a device to use with AT&T medianet, understand that they can change this at anytime. Just ask Nexus and SGS3 owners who got caught 2-3 weeks ago
Based on your needs, there are two phones that I would recommend, and here's the links to the recommended purchase places.
Galaxy Nexus ($349)- This is the official Google phone, relatively cheap, always has the latest version of Android. Downside is that is only has 16GB internal storage and no support for MicroSD. 720p screen
Samsung Galaxy SII (black - $470 / white - $530)- The flagship android device from 2011 by most estimates, still a solid phone for today. Comes with 16GB internal, official support for 32GB MicroSD, but will support 64GB MicroSDXC unofficially. , 800x480 screen though. The black one will work on AT&T medianet, white one will not.
If you use on T-Mobile, or a T-Mobile MVNO such as Simple Mobile or Straight Talk w/TMO sim, you will get full 2G/3G/4G access with the Galaxy Nexus (before, during, and after the refarm). As for the SGS2s, you will get full 2G everywhere, but no 3G/4G in areas not yet refarmed. In areas that are refarmed, you will get full 2G/3G/4G. T-Mobile says that the refarming will be complete by mid-2013. You can check the current status of the refarming here:
http://airportal.de/
If you want to get her something top of the line instead of those former-fastest phones, you can look at the SGS3 unlocked, or wait 9 days to see the official unveiling of the new Nexus phone. Who knows, we may even see a $50 price drop on the Galaxy Nexus
Ok fellas, now before I ask my question, I just rant to let you know I've been a member here for quite a while, and the reason I have such a low post count is because I always do my reading before I waste someone's time.
In this case, all the posts I've read are old and outdated, and none of them provide a solid answer.
So my question here is...can the I9300 get H+ or 4g on T-Mobile network now? I've read first that NO the phone doesn't support their 4g band and never will because it lacks the hardware, that I totally understand, just like the cdma gs3 cannot do the same.
Now with that being said, I've also seen threads saying T-Mobile is adding a new band to support their byop program for people with unlocked phones.
All these I had read had old days on them with the most recent one on Feb 2013.
So does anyone have a straight answer for me?
I have a customer that brought me her fried T-Mobile gs3 and basically I kept get LCD A's transplanted it into a spare i9300 that my girlfriend brought me from Hong Kong.
I know the phone doesn't support LTE and that's fine, it's the 4g/H+ I'm concerned about, and if its possible what has to be done? New modem flash? Custom Rom?
Any help or info is greatly appreciated. ^_^
Sent from my Rooted/unlocked/flashed SAMSUNG SGH-I747 using XDA Premium 4 Mobile App
Not seen anything posted .
As TMobile have now merged with Orange possible its under the new EE brand .
I recently bought an unlocked SGS3 GT-I9300 in amber brown. This is my first smartphone and I'm just learning there are many variants of each model. I bought a Net10 sim card labeled to include 3G & 4GLTE but now I understand my phone isn't 4G capable. That doesn't bother me but what does is as I'm commuting daily through a fully-saturated 3G area I never see 3G on my phone. If I watch it closely as I drive (not a good idea...) I have seen it flicker for a split second a few times. I've called Net10 customer "service" and was guided through the entire configuration a 2nd time but it's still the same. They had no further suggestions.
I like everything about the phone and can't complain about the performance. I get 3-5Mbps download speeds on H+ (whatever that is) and web pages load fast. One of my main desires is to stream internet radio through the phone to my car radio and I'm concerned the limited speed might give me trouble with keeping connected to a station.
How do I find the cause of the limited speeds? At this point I don't know if the issue is with the phone, the sim or Net10. I'm open to switching carriers as long as I stay on GSM. I have a cottage in northern MI where GSM is strong but CDMA is almost non-existent. I stopped at an AT&T store yesterday hoping they might be some help since it's their network Net10 buys time on--but the 2 kids there were clueless.
Keep any suggestions simple, I'm a noob and old--a bad combo
I'd suggest you try Wikipedia for an explanation of mobile data, H+ is 3G and the best you are going to get without a 4G capable phone.
Also, the i9300 isn't sold in the USA so you probably have a variant which has a specific forum here on xda -as our files will brick your phone. Check under the battery for your actual model number.
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk
boomboomer said:
I'd suggest you try Wikipedia for an explanation of mobile data, H+ is 3G and the best you are going to get without a 4G capable phone.
Also, the i9300 isn't sold in the USA so you probably have a variant which has a specific forum here on xda -as our files will brick your phone. Check under the battery for your actual model number.
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my noob questions. I have been searching the net for info. The wiki S3 page was helpful, but I didn't find a mobile data page. Does the US version have the H and H+ status indicators? If not then I can understand why I never found an explanation and why the folks at the AT&T store didn't know either. That really doesn't excuse Net10 CSRs not knowing--especially since they are all "international".
Regarding the I9300 thing--do you mean there is a sub-forum for international I9300 phones? I thought I had found the right spot...?
My phone came from a guy in Alaska and it still has their (GCI) oem software on it. Does that mean it's already been reloaded with local OS? My Device Status is "Modified" but I have no idea to what extent.
Also--if "H" = HSDPA and "H+" = HSPA+ is my phone fully compatible with US 3G and what kind of real-world speeds should I be seeing?
I'm heading up to my cottage after work today and will be testing the phone there. If I can't get data there I will be discarding Net10, and possibly this phone. On Verizon I could not talk and texts took a long time to get through. I bought a cheap flip phone on Tracfone for use there & it gets pretty good signal.
The i9300 isn't sold in the USA for good reason, as it won't get the best out of the networks. It will work, as you've found, but how well I have no idea.
I'd suggest, again, that you check the actual model number printed under the battery.
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk
boomboomer said:
I'd suggest, again, that you check the actual model number printed under the battery.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The actual model number printed on the label under the battery is...GT-I9300. Are we on the same page re my phone or is there something I'm not understanding?
guy48065 said:
The actual model number printed on the label under the battery is...GT-I9300. Are we on the same page re my phone or is there something I'm not understanding?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is the I9300 page .
But as said really we are clueless about use of the international model used your country .
Basics are any firmware and a modem to suit your local network .
As said you are on 3G already .
H+ is actually 3.5G, etc, just Google it, all explained somewhere in a wiki for example http://readwrite.com/2010/09/16/3g_35g_4g_lte_wimax_beyond_the_marketing_speak#awesm=~opViZD2o1WYsB0
Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013)
There have been one or two users who use the phone in NA .
Been looking at some "how fast are you" posts here and it looks like I am getting pretty typical speeds.
I guess it's working as it should.