Some reason the tablet thinks its always USB charging when using a wall wart even 2amp ones. I cant find the original charger anyway to increase the USB charging? I am not even asking 2amp maybe 750 to 1amp at least. So Basically I am asking can i increase the USB charging over the 500mah? I know the dangers but I dont plan on charging it from anywhere but wall wart.
ajac said:
Some reason the tablet thinks its always USB charging when using a wall wart even 2amp ones. I cant find the original charger anyway to increase the USB charging? I am not even asking 2amp maybe 750 to 1amp at least. So Basically I am asking can i increase the USB charging over the 500mah? I know the dangers but I dont plan on charging it from anywhere but wall wart.
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Among several other improvements, the A1 kernel removes the charge rate restriction when you're not using the OEM charger.
Custom kernel will fool Android that it's OEM charger and icon would be as for "fast charging" power supply but the tablet will not get charge any faster then from simple usb (500mA).
You have to make cable for your after market charger. It's just couple resistors:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1155065
Both given answers are a valid option for you, using A1 kernel or making a samsung impedance value adaptor cable. You can also find one of these adaptor in Amazon, and some external usb batteries provide this adaptor.
If the usb port is able to provide more than 500 mA, it will provide it; if don't, the port will not give charge, neither 500 mA, just 0 mA, because the over-current cut system (if your device ir PC hasn't this system, it will be burnt.
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I have some good experience with the A1 Kernel v1.8.4 for my P4. USB-charging is working without any problem.
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Hello,
I was looking at getting a USB adapter for mains so i could charge my S2 using the USB cable provided. The original charger outputs 5V=0.7A.
I've seen a car USB adapter that outputs 5V=0.8A. Does the 0.1A increase affect the charge? Or will it be ok to use on my S2?
Furthermore, I've seen 2 mains USB adapters which output 5V=0.5A and the other is 5V=1A. Which of these would be better to get?
i'm curious about this as well. but if you look at other threads,
quite a number of people says that higher current rate doesn charge the phone faster or damage it. the S2 will capped the charging current to 650mA.
so no worries mate.
I occasionlly charge my sgs2 with my ipad-charger, which got 5V=2A.
Haven't got any problems with that, but it doesn't feel faster.. probably not recommdable. :-/
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SGS2 capped to 650mA via Mains charger and 400mA via USB.
Can only be changed by using a custom kernel.
Using a charger with a higher mA wont hurt the phone, it just wont take advantage of it.
I think this is related Electrical knowledge.
for example, 5V x 1A = 5W (power). That means the transfer max. output power is 5W. If your transfer power is larger than your phone demand, that's OK. Will not damage the phone.
But i dont' know the phone charging demand
Anybody tried to use standart HTC 5V wall charger for Flyer?
I have HD2 and its charger can safely give 1A. This type of chargers have USB data pins shortened. So all HTC devices conneced by standart USB cable identifies it as AC charger. I have tried to connect Flyer for a half a minute. Charger was identified as AC and as I remeber (not shure...and afraid to test once more) Flyer was sucking more than 1A (Battery monitor pro).
Flyer AC charger is 9V 1.62A, standart charger 5V 1A so question is do Flyer detects difference between Flyer charger and Standart 5V charger? Is it safe and possible to use standart 5V charger?
yes you can use standard USB, it will just charge slower
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yes you can use standard USB, it will just charge slower
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Have you tried or you just think so?
If flyer tries to get more than 1A, yes it will charge slower, but it will also burn charger.
I charge with reg usb all the time
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I do it routinely. The device cannot draw more than the usb port will supply. PC ports supply only 0.5 amp. So they will only work if you turn the power off the Flyer. Wall chargers vary, some supply 1 amp. The original is 9v 1.6 amp were usb chargers typically are 5v so they will charge slower, much slower in some cases.
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I do it routinely. The device cannot draw more than the usb port will supply. PC ports supply only 0.5 amp. So they will only work if you turn the power off the Flyer. Wall chargers vary, some supply 1 amp. The original is 9v 1.6 amp were usb chargers typically are 5v so they will charge slower, much slower in some cases.
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Sorry for last several anoying questions. Just want to be shure.
1. Do you use HTC charger or other vendor? In most cases only HTC 5V chargers are identified as 1A AC chargers. If not - device will not request more tha 500ma in order not to burn USB port (device thinks that it is port in that case)
2. Did you see that Flyer identified charger as AC source?
3. Did you charge when battery was less than 10%, what was charge current value on Flyer
Ok, now its getting annoying, did you actually read the information I put in the post you quoted? You just ask me the same questions I already answered.
The chargers all run on AC and produce DC . Flyer original output is 9 Vdc 1.6 amp .
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Ok, now its getting annoying, did you actually read the information I put in the post you quoted? You just ask me the same questions I already answered.
The chargers all run on AC and produce DC . Flyer original output is 9 Vdc 1.6 amp .
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Sorry but I think you did not gave the anwer. My english is not so good so maybe the question was not clear. I will try to explain once more, it is up to you to answer or just end this conversation/thread if you think i asked same stupid question once more.
1. Usually non HTC 5V chargers on HTC devices are identified as USB port and thats why devices draws no more than 500mA. It made so no to burn USB port.
2. All 5V HTC chargers on HTC devices are identified as AC 1A, so devices try to get as much as thay can (usually phones request less than 1A).
3. HTC Flyer with empty battery can request no more than 9*1.6A=14.4W. Flyer charger can handle that. Standart can handle only 5*1A=5W.
The question was: do 5V 1A HTC charger will not burn because Flyer identifies charger as AC and can request more than 1A. USB ports usually have protection from current. I do not know if 5V HTC chargers has protection or do Flyer identifies difference between 9v and 5v chargers and sets max current it can get from charger?
extra pins not present on a usb cable for mains charging. if using usb cables the the flyer is a usb device and has the same power restrictions as any other device...simple as that.
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extra pins not present on a usb cable for mains charging. if using usb cables the the flyer is a usb device and has the same power restrictions as any other device...simple as that.
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You are not right.
HTC 5V HTC mains charger comes with standart USB cable with no extra pins. Thats true. But mains charger has Data+and Data- shortened inside what makes HTC phones think that it is mains... with any USB cable. So power restrictions will not be as for USB....but as for AC. I have tested that in practice. I made belkin car charger and iphone charger able to be treated as mains chargers just by connecting pins (iphone charger data pins should be disconnected from schema before connecting. I have secret how to connect pins without opening unopenable iPhone charger....).
So the question is Flyer is able to identify mains 5V1A and 9V1.6A difference and do it apply different restrictions. Now for both shows it as AC source and I think sucks as much amps as it can up to 1.6A. So teoretically it should burn 5V charger if it will suck more than 1A.
What are you trying to do exactly?
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by the way, it is standard, not standart.
I use the Flyer with a variety of USB wall chargers, car chargers and PC ports and have never experienced fire or explosion, only charging and slow charging. Are you trying to figure out how to use a different charger and still get a rapid charge rate?
Ok, I think I understand what the question really is but it is poorly phrased.
On my previous statement I agree with your answer in terms of how it is possible to read what I had said, in fact probably the logical way to read it on re-reading what I wrote, what I meant was electrically present, not that there were extra physical pins, whether electrically present is hi or lo doesn't matter.
If the question is can you rapid charge at 5V from a sufficiently powerful 5v then the answer is no, even if you pull D+ and D- to ground. Also it is highly likely that in the AC charger a resistor rather than direct connection is used to pull them to ground and these resistors could be electrically significant in the overall charging circuit.
The most probable reason for this is that there are two parallel charging circuits in the flyer ( almost certain of this ), and hence why 9v is used. The charge voltage for a 3.7v battery is 4.2 volts and somewhere around 500-750mA, the second charging circuit will have an isolation circuit to ensure that it is only engaged for charging purposes and does not directly feed the tablet that would be the purpose of the modified connections of d+ and d-, activate the secondary charging circuit.
Assuming you feed the device 5v from usb that would mean that the second circuit would receive a 0.8v supply, probably (hopefully) not enough to activate it so you just burn up the extra as heat in the circuit. In theory you would see a higher current draw by asking the flyer to run as if it was connected to an 9v supply when you connect a 5v supply. Best and most likely case scenario you're just being inefficient, medium case you burn out a component or protection (eg thermal fuse), worst case scenario you reverse the battery and it gets damaged or explodes.
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Assuming you feed the device 5v from usb that would mean that the second circuit would receive a 0.8v supply, probably (hopefully) not enough to activate it so you just burn up the extra as heat in the circuit. In theory you would see a higher current draw by asking the flyer to run as if it was connected to an 9v supply when you connect a 5v supply. Best and most likely case scenario you're just being inefficient, medium case you burn out a component or protection (eg thermal fuse), worst case scenario you reverse the battery and it gets damaged or explodes.
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This is what i meant! I was curious which one of scenarious will happen in practice.
From DigitalMD post above I can make a conclusion that in reality we will have 1st scenario (just inefficient).
Thank you guys.
I recommend you look at the following USB battery charging spec. A properly designed charging circuit will have current limiting and can recognize the power capabilities of the port vs. device vs. cable. This is why some charging circuits use a special cable vs. a standard USB data cable.
http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/Battery_Charging_V1_2.zip
Nice link, it's got some pretty decent information in it.
Honestly to answer your previous question I can't tell, I'm guessing nothing except some heat, but that doesn't mean that you couldn't thermally damage something ( eg the screen ).
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Nice link, it's got some pretty decent information in it.
Honestly to answer your previous question I can't tell, I'm guessing nothing except some heat, but that doesn't mean that you couldn't thermally damage something ( eg the screen ).
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I think that there is no chance to damage Flyer thermally But theoretically, if Flyer wll requests more than 1A charger can overheet and possibly damage the Flyer. But if Flyer can detect that charger as 5V1A and if it can request less than 1A, then it is safe. Also if charger can detect current higher than 1A and can limit it - that also should be safe to use it.
I will read pdf maybe there will be some good info.
I use a self powered usb hub as a daily charger for both my Flyer and Kindle. Works fine. With no "burning out". At work, I use a generic 5v 1a charger, no problems either except for charge speed...
The charge state shows USB instead of AC, so it appears there is some sort of voltage/amp sensing going on?
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I use a self powered usb hub as a daily charger for both my Flyer and Kindle. Works fine. With no "burning out". At work, I use a generic 5v 1a charger, no problems either except for charge speed...
The charge state shows USB instead of AC, so it appears there is some sort of voltage/amp sensing going on?
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Your flyer identifies charger and hub as USB and limits current to 500ma. The initial discussion was about the case when 5V1A charger is identified as AC. This case happens when standart htc phone charger is used (eg HD2 charger). That charger has data pins shortened inside that makes HTC phones (conected by standart USB cable) think that charger is AC. Surprisingly Flyer identifies it also as AC. In that case flyer do not limit current and possibly tries to draw 15W from 5V charger which can deliver only 5W ! I think that good chargers should have protection from oveload....
So soldering data pins together in you generic charger would make it more efficient. I modified my all generic chargers even genuine iphone charger and now all HTC and possibly other phones identify them as AC !! But I still not shure is that safe for flyer.
Little bit offtopic:
Yesterday i dissasembled Griffin car charger thas has 2x1A USB ports. In fact there is a chip inside that can deliver up to 3A. The chip is XL1583E1. This chip can be set to deliver other voltage than 5V by changing resistor.
It would be nice to get somewhere flyer pinouts and see if it uses the same pins for 5V and 9V charging. If the same - it means that this car charger can charge flyer as fast as flyer mains charger just coupling data pins (now it has identifications circuitry for iphone -resistors between vcc,data,data,vdd). If not - it means that charger shoud be modified to deliver 9V and special cable with extra pins will be needed also.
you sure are going through a lot of contortions just to do same things that the HTC charger that comes in the box already does. Why not use the adapter made for the device?
I've got around 4 different micro-USB AC Adapters that I have lying around. One is the OEM Lenovo, One is OEM Samsung (i777 charger + Samsung Micro-USB cable), one is a multi-USB port AC adapter with a micro-usb cable, and the last is an iPad 2 wall charger with a micro-USB cable.
ALL of the chargers except the OEM Lenovo ones don't charge my tablet. When It's plugged in, for a couple of seconds it says Charging (AC), and then it just switches to discharging. I've tried all the aforementioned chargers and cables in different combinations, and the ONLY ones to work correctly is the Lenovo combo.
Is there a specific reason to this? Also tried all 4 cables connected to my PC.. They all don't charge efficiently at all.
look at the Voltage and Amperage of the adapter !
Lenovo use 2A if I remember well, the other use only 1A
quyTam is correct... most USB chargers are between 500mA and 850mA. The dual battery design of the tablets requires a min of 2A to charge correctly. This is why most computer USB ports will not charge the device.
However... the changer isn't the only thing restricting the power. The cable you are using can also effect power. Not all cables are created equal.
I stopped by Staples just after getting my tablet and picked up a 4 port 2.1A USB wall charger. It will charge my phone, Bluetooth, and tablet. There are also really nice 2A "extra battery" devices out there that allow you to a charged battery with you that will power and recharge your device.
I also recommend the dock for the tablet... it has a 65w power supply and charges the tablet in a 1/3 the time then the usb chargers.
where to get a charger
i tried 2Amp chargers....didn't help/
my brother says:
"the pins are slightly different/off/longer/shorter/what DID lenovo do here?"
as a safety i bought:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/?_kw=886605022780&_clu=2&_fcid=100&_fvi=1&_localstpos=&_stpos=&gbr=1
just in case...
it costs an arm and a leg for a microUSB charger, but not charging the device for a couple of days would cost me more :S
just another things that makes the TPT slightly less then perfect
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Charger
I use a Dell Axim x51 charger and an LG cable from an old phone. Seems to work very well and eBay prices for the charger are less than $4.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/8523-rev...arger/page__st__40__gopid__448194#entry448194
In my experience a 1A charger will also work. Nothing less than 1A will do anything.
I keep my Lenovo charger in my home office and use a 1A phone charger next to my bed for overnight charging.
I too have a 4 port mains to USB charger: 2A but I thought it was distributed to the 4 ports. If all were being used then each port would only be .5A.
Will have to try it out. If it works it would lighten the travel load of chargers.
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quyTam is correct... most USB chargers are between 500mA and 850mA. The dual battery design of the tablets requires a min of 2A to charge correctly. This is why most computer USB ports will not charge the device.
However... the changer isn't the only thing restricting the power. The cable you are using can also effect power. Not all cables are created equal.
I stopped by Staples just after getting my tablet and picked up a 4 port 2.1A USB wall charger. It will charge my phone, Bluetooth, and tablet. There are also really nice 2A "extra battery" devices out there that allow you to a charged battery with you that will power and recharge your device.
I also recommend the dock for the tablet... it has a 65w power supply and charges the tablet in a 1/3 the time then the usb chargers.
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That's for sure. I thought the dock was a waste of money until I forked out on Amazon. Saves so much time it isn't funny....
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The tablet needs to see 5.3 V, when using >500mA.
Already thinner USB-Cables increase the voltage drop
so the thinkpad wont charge, even with the original charger.
It may have less to do with your charger than with the cables. I bought extra long (6 and 10 ft) USB cables for charging phone and my TPT. The 28AWG of any length won't charge the TPT. The 24AWG 6 ft and 10ft cable *will* on a 2A charger. I haven't tried other combinations. I believe it will charge on a 1A charger as well, but would likely require the larger 24AWG cable.
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Design Flaw in Thinkpad Tablet prevents Landscape Mode Charging for Developers
I actually sent my 1838-22U in for service, thinking that there was a hardware problem preventing charging while connected via USB. At first I had noticed that while connected directly to a PC via USB for development purposes (no docking station), the unit indicated that it was charging. However, it seemed to be discharging faster than it was charging and slowly worked its way down to unusable. Lenovo Tech Support indicated that they had heard of this happening, and that I should send it in to have its system board replaced. I sent it in only to find that all they had done was replace the battery and reload the firmware. I did notice, however, that when I connected the USB cable, it appeared to go into charging mode for a couple of seconds then switch into discharge mode. I asked Tech Support about this and they said they this was actually the way it should have been behaving all along, and that this was by design.
The User Manual (see attachment) states only that it might not charge, and that it will only discharge if the tablet "exceeds USB 2.0 power limits" (i.e. 500ma).
Well, the Thinkpad Tablet seems to be pretty good at doing that.
Here's where I present to the development community a conundrum. How can one develop in landscape mode while charging (even slowly)? In portrait mode, one can use the accessory docking station, which uses its own charger and charges through the proprietary connector next to the micro USB port, while separately allowing the USB to be used for data. In landscape mode, there is no such option. I will accept that the unit may draw too much current to charge well via a 500ma USB data connection, but then Lenovo should provide a optional charger that connects directly to the same proprietary connector used by the docking station. This is done elsewhere. For instance, Motorola realizes that the Xoom draws too much current to charge via a USB data connection, so they don't even bother with it - they provide a dedicated charger connection and charger.
==UPDATE== 25-May-2012
SOLUTION FOUND
The solution to using a data connection and charging the Thinkpad Tablet at the same time, without relying on the portrait-mode-only Dock Station, is to connect through a powered USB hub which supports the USB Battery Charging Specification (with a Charging Downstream Port). The specification provides at least 1.5A, which quite handily satisfies the Thinkpad. I found such a hub, the GWCTech HU2V40, on Amazon for $15.99.
If you get this model, note that only one of the 4 ports can be used for high-current charging. It includes a tiny "Smart Charger Adapter" but which appears to block the data connection (at least when when used with the Thinkpad). In other words, ignore the little black passthrough adapter included with it, and plug directly in as you normally would. The instructions don't explain the purpose of the passthrough adapter.
Hi everyone!
I just wanted to ask this: I just bought a 90W charger for my laptop. It is a "Targus Compact Charger for laptop and usb tablet"
It charges my laptop and also has that usb port which charges through a cable, compatible devices. Only that on that usb port, it says that it charges 2.1A, which is a lot. My phone charger does only 550mAh.
So the question, shouldn't I charge my phone through the adapter?
Thanks in advance!
when i tether to my pc via pdanet, my phone's battery gradually drains(which i'm sure you guys experience also).
has anyone tried out this cable(or one like it)? does it prevent battery drain?
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when i tether to my pc via pdanet, my phone's battery gradually drains(which i'm sure you guys experience also).
has anyone tried out this cable(or one like it)? does it prevent battery drain?
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Yeah, but not as much as a normal charger. The thing is that when connected to PC, to my knowledge, the kernel limits the charge rate even more than the current limit that you get from the the normal charger.
Kernel limits current from wall to say 850mA, even if have a 2000mA charger.
Kernel limits current when connected to the PC to say 500mA, even if you have a Y cable with the power-only leg on a 2000mA charger.
Most USB ports can't even give more than 250mA, even though the USB spec states 5V, 500mA.
A Y cable would help you because it would let you get at or close to the kernel limited 500mA.
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Yes the split cable helps a lot on computers with standard USB ports with 500mA power supply. My other computers have 1.5A USB ports, and those are able to charge just fine with the standard straight USB cable.
Anyone find charging the Z3TC painfully slow? It takes me 6+ hours to get to full charge using the magnetic connector. Is it faster over USB? Is there anyway to see how much current is actually being drawn without root?
I'm charging using a USB wall wart, 5V/2A rating.
while charging, go to settings/about tablet/status and look what battery state is saying: "AC" means normal charging while "USB" says usb charging. The latter often is usualy limiting to 500mA. This would mean that your wallmart charge or your cable has the connectors wrong so that the device thinkgs it is on a normal pc-usb port.
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Anyone find charging the Z3TC painfully slow? It takes me 6+ hours to get to full charge using the magnetic connector. Is it faster over USB? Is there anyway to see how much current is actually being drawn without root?
I'm charging using a USB wall wart, 5V/2A rating.
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3:50 for me to fully charge on magnetic stand.
magnetic charging
I also experience the same thing with the magnetic changer but when I use USB it does change it faster
I've noticed that as well! That it takes over 6 hours to charge up. It's very mysterious as to why though. I have the usb cord connected to a 5v/2a rated wall adapter, that takes forever to charge it with. Anyone know why or how to get it to charge faster?
So I ordered a bunch of stuff from ebay and amazon and am going to try a few things over the new few days to figure out the slow charging
1). charge using 5V/2A wall wart through a "charging" micro usb cable. This is one where the 3 data pins are not connected, only the 2 power pins. I have a rooted htc one m8 that can measure the charging current and will make sure this setup is capable of >500mA charging
2). same as above but use a micro usb to magnetic port adapter
3). charge using the official DK36 charging dock(not designed for the Z3TC as far as I know, it came with my xperia z2 phone, but the tablet fits in it and charges)
Since theres so many links in this chain(wall wart, usb cable, dock/mag port connector) I figure its worth seeing if one of them is a weak link