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Hi all,
I just wanted to let everybody know that exfat on the micro sd works on TFP, i have moved a 10gb file with NO problems at all.
Have a nice day all
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exfat and stability issues?
have you noticed any increase in reboots after insert your microSD? My prime has been running great but after plugging in a sandisk 64 gig card two days ago there have been many more reboots, especially with the stock browser. Sine this is the same time frame that the last update was applied I am running it now without the card to see if stability improves.
I had my card formatted with exfat, and I didn't have more random reboots with the card in, but I did have a file that would reboot the device whenever I tried to delete it.
May have had something to do with the beta exfat driver I had on my linux laptop, but even if it was corrupted it shouldn't cause a reboot.
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May I ask what the advantage of exFat over NTFS is?
As I understand it Exfat was designed exclusively for flash drives.
drherron said:
have you noticed any increase in reboots after insert your microSD? My prime has been running great but after plugging in a sandisk 64 gig card two days ago there have been many more reboots, especially with the stock browser. Sine this is the same time frame that the last update was applied I am running it now without the card to see if stability improves.
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I have not had any reboots at all with the microsd and without it
The diffrence between fat32 and exfat is
FAT32 is the file system with which most windows users are most familiar. Windows first supported FAT32 with Windows 95 OSR2 and has increased support for it through XP.
FAT32 has multiple issues that modern systems can experience:
- By default windows systems can only format a drive up to 32 GB. Additional software works around this issue. When formatted at these bigger sizes, FAT32 becomes increasingly inefficient.
- The maximum file size on a FAT32 formatted drive is around 4 GB. With DVD and high resolution DVD formats now available, this limit is commonly noticed.
- Dealing with fragmentation and free disk space calculations can become painfully resource intensive in large FAT32 systems.
- A FAT32 directory can have 65,536 directory entries. Each file or subdirectory can take up multiple entries; therefore, FAT32 directories are limited with how many files it can hold.
exFAT was first released with CE 6.0 but will finally hit the mainstream with Vista SP1. exFAT has several advantages over FAT32:
-File size limit is now 16 exabytes.
- Format size limits and files per directory limits are practically eliminated.
- Like HPFS, exFAT uses free space bitmaps to reduce fragmentation and free space allocation/detection issues.
- Like HTFS, permission systems should be able to be attached through an access control list (ACL). It is unclear if or when Vista will include this feature, however.
In the past most power-users of Microsoft systems have opted to format/convert to a NTFS file system instead.
Interestingly enough, exFAT is not used currently for formatting hard drives. It is being recommended in Flash memory storage and other external devices only. This is why it is currently not considered a huge competitor to NTFS on hard drives.
However, exFAT should be a true competitor to NTFS on systems with limited processing power and memory. NTFS on flash memory has been known to be inefficient for quite some time. exFAT’s smaller footprint/overhead makes it ideal for this purpose. Of course, only if your definition of “ideal” allows software to be proprietary and not open source.
Kur0saki said:
I have not had any reboots at all with the microsd and without it
The diffrence between fat32 and exfat is
FAT32 is the file system with which most windows users are most familiar. Windows first supported FAT32 with Windows 95 OSR2 and has increased support for it through XP.
FAT32 has multiple issues that modern systems can experience:
- By default windows systems can only format a drive up to 32 GB. Additional software works around this issue. When formatted at these bigger sizes, FAT32 becomes increasingly inefficient.
- The maximum file size on a FAT32 formatted drive is around 4 GB. With DVD and high resolution DVD formats now available, this limit is commonly noticed.
- Dealing with fragmentation and free disk space calculations can become painfully resource intensive in large FAT32 systems.
- A FAT32 directory can have 65,536 directory entries. Each file or subdirectory can take up multiple entries; therefore, FAT32 directories are limited with how many files it can hold.
exFAT was first released with CE 6.0 but will finally hit the mainstream with Vista SP1. exFAT has several advantages over FAT32:
-File size limit is now 16 exabytes.
- Format size limits and files per directory limits are practically eliminated.
- Like HPFS, exFAT uses free space bitmaps to reduce fragmentation and free space allocation/detection issues.
- Like HTFS, permission systems should be able to be attached through an access control list (ACL). It is unclear if or when Vista will include this feature, however.
In the past most power-users of Microsoft systems have opted to format/convert to a NTFS file system instead.
Interestingly enough, exFAT is not used currently for formatting hard drives. It is being recommended in Flash memory storage and other external devices only. This is why it is currently not considered a huge competitor to NTFS on hard drives.
However, exFAT should be a true competitor to NTFS on systems with limited processing power and memory. NTFS on flash memory has been known to be inefficient for quite some time. exFAT’s smaller footprint/overhead makes it ideal for this purpose. Of course, only if your definition of “ideal” allows software to be proprietary and not open source.
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Nice copy and paste ... However he asked about NTFS vs exFAT.
As said a couple of posts above, exFAT is supposed to be faster and less hungry than NTFS, you will notice very little difference though.
Personally, i'd go with NTFS.
How do I format a micro sd? Would I do it through the Prime?
Danny-B- said:
Nice copy and paste ... However he asked about NTFS vs exFAT.
As said a couple of posts above, exFAT is supposed to be faster and less hungry than NTFS, you will notice very little difference though.
Personally, i'd go with NTFS.
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So what i copy pasted, dont needed to take that tone!!!
Can TFP read NTFS microsd?
I put the micro sd in an adapter and formatet in the pc, just right click on it and pick format.
drherron said:
have you noticed any increase in reboots after insert your microSD? My prime has been running great but after plugging in a sandisk 64 gig card two days ago there have been many more reboots, especially with the stock browser. Sine this is the same time frame that the last update was applied I am running it now without the card to see if stability improves.
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I thought 32GB was max?
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mutiny said:
I thought 32GB was max?
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this one is SDXC... I think 64 gig is another advantage of exFAT and NTFS over FAT32
the prime can read an sdxc????
makeshiftballer said:
the prime can read an sdxc????
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every android phone can do, I have it on my DHD
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in win7 i can choose between 32k and the new 64k when formatting the card. which should I do which is best for the phone,or should I just format it in recovery?
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in win7 i can choose between 32k and the new 64k when formatting the card. which should I do which is best for the phone,or should I just format it in recovery?
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What file format? FAT32?
Generally I just leave it at the stock settings, which I believe is 4K allocation unit size. Android runs off a ton of smaller files, I think the larger allocation unit sizing is just going to be inefficient on space. Since this is flash based storage there probably is going to be minimal or no performance differences, I would think.
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nevermind, I need to read things first. For the SDCARD, which is mostly general storage, small file sizes arent likely a reason to opt for 4k over 32k or 64k, but I still don't know if you'll get any performance gain. Honestly, try both and benchmark them. Let us know if one is for some reason significantly better than the others..
I just benchmarked 14 tests between both 32K and 64K allocation unit sizes and 7 different caches between 128 and 4096. The sweet spot for me was 64K when formatting the card and setting sd-booster to 4096. my card is a 32gb lexar sdhc class 10. I get roughly 9.1 for write and 22.6 for read.
What did you use to format? When I put my 64gb sdxc card I got a message saying the card is damaged would you like to format it and I said why yes, I would like to format it and it just did it without any options. All I know is that it formatted as FAT32. Can I check in the phone what allocation unit size it is at?
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What did you use to format? When I put my 64gb sdxc card I got a message saying the card is damaged would you like to format it and I said why yes, I would like to format it and it just did it without any options. All I know is that it formatted as FAT32. Can I check in the phone what allocation unit size it is at?
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no you cant check on the device. the options are in windows7 in the format screen
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dyetheskin said:
no you cant check on the device. the options are in windows7 in the format screen
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Okay, thanks. I formatted in the phone since I figured it would format it properly. I saw that it was FAT32 when I was putting some music on it but never check anything further than that.
Antutu Benchmark results (my card is class 6):
Write - (5.0 MB/s) 50
Read - (5.7 MB/s) 57
Internal card results:
Write - (7.0 MB/s) 70
Read - (6.4 MB/s) 64
I have no idea if that's good or bad. My first smartphone so I've never had to pay that much attention to this stuff.
Were your speeds MB/s also? If so, maybe I'll try reformatting, although mine is class 6 so I don't know how much to allow for that.
I also saw something about Android OS supposedly not supporting more than 32gb but mine is 64gb. Would that be a factor?
Allocation size should be based on "average file size"
If apps, keep it smaller, or the normal 4k. Music/movies, you can up it a few notches.
Benchmarking this with benchmark programs are useless as they have preset small files they use to bench the speeds. Being flash memory, allocation size will also most likely put forth no noticeable speed difference on already speed limited SD cards. if seektime mattered, allocation would also. in our cases allocation only has the effect of potentially wasting space.
just use the smallest allocation size for the most use of the space on your card. you select higher allocation unit sizes, all the teeny files android and apps use will take up the amount of space equal to the allocation size, regardless of its true size (4k allocation means ALL files take a minimum of 4K, or in increments of 4K. therefore files <4k take 4k, 4+ to 8 take 8k, 8+ to 12 take 12k.)
Yes 64gb cards are usually fine on aneroid. What are keeping on there, pron???
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nrfitchett4 said:
Yes 64gb cards are usually fine on aneroid. What are keeping on there, pron???
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I never keep pron on my aneroid. I wouldn't know how to get it on/in (?) there!
lol mmm Pron
I know, i can have external memory, but it is slow comparing to NAND internal memory
How much of internal memory will left after all the system? 11GB?
On my galaxy s 16gb (rough comparison) SD card partition is 13.4 and app partition is 1.8. Rest is system partitions.
Touchwiz will probably take a bit more and Samsung may partition differently.
Its enough for me end up with 4gb free
With 5gb music.
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if i read it right the built in 16 gb will have 10.5 gb usable as internal sd which is 1 gb lesser than my sgs2. Thank god sgs3 has the sdcard slot .
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if i read it right the built in 16 gb will have 10.5 gb usable as internal sd which is 1 gb lesser than my sgs2. Thank god sgs3 has the sdcard slot .
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I am getting the 64gb version plus the 64gb SD XC card I got now....128gb heaven....
pachi72 said:
I am getting the 64gb version plus the 64gb SD XC card I got now....128gb heaven....
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Do you really carry 128 gb of data's with your phone. Then get a extra battery too.
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forumhookersdotcom said:
Do you really carry 128 gb of data's with your phone. Then get a extra battery too.
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Yes I do.. And that data is my music.. I don't like cloud streaming at all.
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Taken from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25767422#post25767422
Partition sizes:
/system: 1G (might more: df command rounding error), 315Mb Free.
/data: 11G (shared with /sdcard, pure Ext4)
/cache: 1G
Mount options: optimized Ext4 settings (same as those introduced in Voodoo lagfix)
Sd Cards & additional storage.
Internal: /mnt/sdcard
External: /mnt/extSdCard
USB sticks: /mnt/UsbDriveA to FAK8975C
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Damn ill take a 16 gb and 16 ext. Also the ext battery but deff not both 64.
Where have you seen info about extended batteries?
I never use more than 3 gig on my phone so 16 gig is plenty. Out of the 3 gig that I use, most of it is ROMs and kernels that are on it
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I'll be happy with the 16GB one, already have a 32GB card but i may get a 64GB card too.
Yes. Put a 62 GB SD card in it and there you have it you will never run out of storage. Plus you can utilize the Dropbox Storage they give u
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To each their own.
I think I'll buy a 32 Gb phone and buy an sd later as and when required. (Since internal memory is faster)
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CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Yes. Put a 62 GB SD card in
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You meant 64 GB
i think ill grab a 16GB version of the GS3..already have class 4 32GB never used it had it on my note but i returned it due to pixel issues..still a virgin but now i might get the higher speed sandisk 64GB.. that way when i get new Nexus/NOTE2/GS4 ect.. ill just buy the ones that have the lowest GB built inn and just popped the 64GB.. im good with a built in 16GB..got to love this SD slots coming from a iphone/ipad user..still like my apple stuff but its time for a change
question ? whats faster internal memory or the new Sandisk card when the phone reads it..i mean the Sandisk reads 30mb sec* i mean that plenty fast already..will there be a big difference when the phone reads the internal memory or the SD high read cards.?
will my class 4 32GB work good enough on the GS3? will there be like a little lag due to its a calss 4? or thats good enough?
markysd said:
i think ill grab a 16GB version of the GS3..already have class 4 32GB never used it had it on my note but i returned it due to pixel issues..still a virgin but now i might get the higher speed sandisk 64GB.. that way when i get new Nexus/NOTE2/GS4 ect.. ill just buy the ones that have the lowest GB built inn and just popped the 64GB.. im good with a built in 16GB..got to love this SD slots coming from a iphone/ipad user..still like my apple stuff but its time for a change
question ? whats faster internal memory or the new Sandisk card when the phone reads it..i mean the Sandisk reads 30mb sec* i mean that plenty fast already..will there be a big difference when the phone reads the internal memory or the SD high read cards.?
will my class 4 32GB work good enough on the GS3? will there be like a little lag due to its a calss 4? or thats good enough?
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No, there won't be any lag
Class 4 is good ....
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I'll buy 32GB SGS3
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markysd said:
i think ill grab a 16GB version of the GS3..already have class 4 32GB never used it had it on my note but i returned it due to pixel issues..still a virgin but now i might get the higher speed sandisk 64GB.. that way when i get new Nexus/NOTE2/GS4 ect.. ill just buy the ones that have the lowest GB built inn and just popped the 64GB.. im good with a built in 16GB..got to love this SD slots coming from a iphone/ipad user..still like my apple stuff but its time for a change
question ? whats faster internal memory or the new Sandisk card when the phone reads it..i mean the Sandisk reads 30mb sec* i mean that plenty fast already..will there be a big difference when the phone reads the internal memory or the SD high read cards.?
will my class 4 32GB work good enough on the GS3? will there be like a little lag due to its a calss 4? or thats good enough?
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San disk 64gb is class 6
sent from a 96gb N7000
NAND memory, the integrated one, is the one used in SSD disks. It is faster than SD cards
What is the big difference between the 16 and 8gb besides the ram ?
there really is no other differnce
(besides ram and storage)
yes. the internal sd goes from 8 to 16gb and then the working ram from a half a gig to a full gig. maybe the later gives it a tiny speed boost ? maybe...
There's a bit more to it than that. Fattire broke down some of the key differences when the 8GB launched.
Also, one should note that no version of B&N's OS before 1.4.2 will work on the 8GB and there are quite a few roms (I think all of the cm7 based ones) that will not work on the internal memory of the 8GB model without some modification.
Also, less RAM = less multitasking capability. Someone actually made a point the other day that we oddly enough differentiate between the two based on the internal memory size (8GB vs. 16GB) when in reality, the important difference is actually the RAM, as this actually has performance implications on the device.
karrb said:
What is the big difference between the 16 and 8gb besides the ram ?
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I found my way here while trying to make an informed decision. I could be totally wrong, but it looked to me like the 16GB has 2X the support from this amazingly talented pool of xdadevelopers. (SOLD! )
Oh, yeah. And the 8GB is cheaper, too.
424aca said:
there really is no other differnce
(besides ram and storage)
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If that's the case, then does the difference between the 8 and the Nook Color come down to the processor and the price?
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Nook Tablet is lighter, has better battery life, a microphone (though it doesn't have bluetooth and the nook color does, albeit short ranged) and as you mentioned the better processor, which is kind of important.
So I should I even root my nook tablet (8gb) yet, will it just give me the market?
It depends on what you want.
Just rooting will give you access to the google play store which has a ton more apps than the B&N app store. You could install a custom launcher (like go launcher or adw launcher) to give it a full user interface change as well. Or you could install a custom rom like cm7/cm9 for a complete OS change.
Hey there.
I'm a little confused regarding the internal storage of my VZW Note II. It has 16gb, which I know is less when formatted... there's around 10gb available for apps and files. Isn't that the partition sizing for Samsung's massively bloaty ROM? I'm running AOSP; is there any way to reclaim some of that space? Or I've seen some stuff about dual-booting, but there are way too many disparate GNoteII forums on XDA and I can't find any specific font of information. Is that a way to more efficiently use space? I'm just consistently crunched for space since nothing can use the external SD really, and 10gb goes away quickly nowadays.
Thank you kindly.
I would like to know the same thing. Just flashed and rom and set everything and now I only have about 700MB free space. I don't even run lots of apps. It's the miscellaneous that takes up majority of the space.
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tee00max said:
I would like to know the same thing. Just flashed and rom and set everything and now I only have about 700MB free space. I don't even run lots of apps. It's the miscellaneous that takes up majority of the space.
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Thats 700mb freespace for the system partition which is plenty...apps reside on the internal sd which you should have 10-12gb free.
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Thats 700mb freespace for the system partition which is plenty...apps reside on the internal sd which you should have 10-12gb free.
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Exactly. That's 700mb to /system, then the rest goes to app storage and the emulated internal SD card. My phone reports that at 10.33gb total; 10.33gb + 700mb = 11.03gb total known storage across all known partitions. Doesn't that seem a little low?
I know my phone has 2gb of ram but what I am speaking of is the 16gb internal SD storage.
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I know my phone has 2gb of ram but what I am speaking of is the 16gb internal SD storage.
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That's what we're speaking of as well. Your phone has 16gb of internal storage which is split across system files and app storage. Any space left over is your "internal SD card". It's how Android works post-Ice Cream Sandwich.
no its not low thats normal...
Well, I know our "16gb" cards are only 14.9gb, marketing considers 1gb = 1,000mb's, but it's really 1024 mb's. So really if you do the math, 16gb by marketing definition equals 14.9gb in reality (16*1,000^3/1,024^3). That explains 1gb at least.
I'd imagine the rest is the baseband and radio software, all that? Is the touchwiz framework always left on the phone even after a full internal format?
How much available space does a "16gb" Nexus 4 have on first boot?
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no its not low thats normal...
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Ah. I did not realize that the RAM was part of that 16gb as well, I thought it was dedicated. That explains it. Thanks
ieAnd said:
Ah. I did not realize that the RAM was part of that 16gb as well, I thought it was dedicated. That explains it. Thanks
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Where'd you see that?
Well according to the email notification I got from XDA, droidstyle's response was:
"no its not low thats normal... The rom is 2gb + 2gb of ram + all of the apps leaves arouns 11gb free."
then when I went to reply that second part wasn't there anymore? But I assume droidstyle is right? 14.9 - 2.0 - 2.0 = 10.9, so... closer?
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Well according to the email notification I got from XDA, droidstyle's response was:
"no its not low thats normal... The rom is 2gb + 2gb of ram + all of the apps leaves arouns 11gb free."
then when I went to reply that second part wasn't there anymore? But I assume droidstyle is right? 14.9 - 2.0 - 2.0 = 10.9, so... closer?
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yea i edited that because I was not sure that was 100% correct...which I do not think it is.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21573600&postcount=3
It seems weird, but I think you're right. It's not only the most logical and mathematically accurate solution, but thinking back on it I believe that's how my poor old Galaxy Nexus functioned as well, it was just far less noticeable since the Gnex had 32gb of memory and only took 1gb of RAM, vs. 16 - 2.
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It seems weird, but I think you're right. It's not only the most logical and mathematically accurate solution, but thinking back on it I believe that's how my poor old Galaxy Nexus functioned as well, it was just far less noticeable since the Gnex had 32gb of memory and only took 1gb of RAM, vs. 16 - 2.
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just add a sd card
I have 16+64.
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just add a sd card
I have 16+64.
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This definitely solves the problem
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I have a 32 ultra SD, so I'm pretty set. Currently I have 4.9 GB available on the internal drive. I like to keep a clean drive. If you download music, most if not all will go to the internal. I've looked for mp3 apps that direct the DL's to the ext.SD, but have only found one, and that one didn't work. I believe cache goes on the internal too. Every time you download a ROM like meanbean, liquid smooth, they place a folder on the internal drive. They're empty, but they take up space.
I think the ram is part of the internal.
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Oh I have a 32gb Class-10 µSD card in my phone right now. The problem I'm facing is that any sort of app storage can't be moved to external SD... I have one or two pretty massive games and a lot of apps that love to cache reserves of data, and it adds up. I only have about 1.2 gb free storage after clearing all caches, without really any other files to speak of besides a few pictures. Oh well, I can deal. I was just spoiled with storage on the GNex.