VERY long story how I got here, won't get into it. I'm now on hboot 1.12 and need to re-unlock my bootloader. As stated in title, I'm s-off with a tampered/locked status. If someone can point me in the right direction, that would be awesome.
jlechner said:
VERY long story how I got here, won't get into it. I'm now on hboot 1.12 and need to re-unlock my bootloader. As stated in title, I'm s-off with a tampered/locked status. If someone can point me in the right direction, that would be awesome.
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If you have s-off, you don't need to unlock. You can flash things through the bootloader. What are you trying to do? Recovery? Update firmware? Once you're s-off through Lazypanda or Dirty Racun you keep s-off.
tilltheend714 said:
If you have s-off, you don't need to unlock. You can flash things through the bootloader. What are you trying to do? Recovery? Update firmware? Once you're s-off through Lazypanda or Dirty Racun you keep s-off.
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Awesome. I guess I just need to update my firmware then recovery so I can flash MeanBean again?
Thanks for your fast help.
jlechner said:
Awesome. I guess I just need to update my firmware then recovery so I can flash MeanBean again?
Thanks for your fast help.
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That should be all you need to do. Be careful with firmware though. Make sure to do it in order. Flashing straight to the newest one has been causing bricks.
tilltheend714 said:
That should be all you need to do. Be careful with firmware though. Make sure to do it in order. Flashing straight to the newest one has been causing bricks.
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Yeah, I wish I knew which one I was currently on. I'll just start from 1.22 and move on from there. Thanks again man.
Check the radio when in bootloader.
1.12.11.0809 is from the 2.13.651.1 OTA
1.12.11.1119 is from the 3.15.651.16 JellyBean OTA
1.12.11.1210 is form the newest 3.16.651.3
Make sure to flash the Captains full firmware zips from bootloader.
tilltheend714 said:
Check the radio when in bootloader.
1.12.11.0809 is from the 2.13.651.1 OTA
1.12.11.1119 is from the 3.15.651.16 JellyBean OTA
1.12.11.1210 is form the newest 3.16.651.3
Make sure to flash the Captains full firmware zips from bootloader.
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Sweet baby jesus. I wonder if my major malfunction had to do with the new TWRP. Basically, my data partition went to crap out of no where.
jlechner said:
Sweet baby jesus. I wonder if my major malfunction had to do with the new TWRP. Basically, my data partition went to crap out of no where.
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Check the last pages on the twrp thread. There has been all kinds of problems. I wouldn't know since i'm still on an old version.
tilltheend714 said:
Check the last pages on the twrp thread. There has been all kinds of problems. I wouldn't know since i'm still on an old version.
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Yeah I'm going back as well. Thank you so much man, you really helped me out and quickly. I also love that you didn't ask 4 million questions instead of just answering mine, that seems to happen to me a lot lol.
jlechner said:
Yeah I'm going back as well. Thank you so much man, you really helped me out and quickly. I also love that you didn't ask 4 million questions instead of just answering mine, that seems to happen to me a lot lol.
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No problem. I'm stuck on the computer for a couple days so I figured I'd finally help out on these forums.
Related
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...id-4-0-build-3-11-605-22-for-the-htc-rezound/
Not the final but another leak with a new radio. Hopefully this means the OTA is close and im praying we finally get some custom kernels. Wish we could flash the radio seperatly though.
mighty_markus12 said:
Not the final but another leak with a new radio. Hopefully this means the OTA is close and im praying we finally get some custom kernels. Wish we could flash the radio seperatly though.
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You CAN flash the radio separately... but I believe you still need to lock the phone first and flash the firmware.img file inside a PH98IMG.zip at HBOOT.
a.mcdear said:
You CAN flash the radio separately... but I believe you still need to lock the phone first and flash the firmware.img file inside a PH98IMG.zip at HBOOT.
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I thought we needed s-off to do that? When the OTA comes i will relock and update then flash a rooted custom rom lol.t
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You CAN flash the radio separately... but I believe you still need to lock the phone first and flash the firmware.img file inside a PH98IMG.zip at HBOOT.
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no point since the radio hasn't changed only a newer build.
mighty_markus12 said:
I thought we needed s-off to do that? When the OTA comes i will relock and update then flash a rooted custom rom lol.t
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No.. I believe you need S-OFF to flash it from recovery, or to flash it without first re-locking your phone and doing it from HBOOT.
Can we RUU back if there are issues with this build?
Im not updating until this goes final but how do we relock the device? I assume after we upgrade we can unlock again?
dyetheskin said:
no point since the radio hasn't changed only a newer build.
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You appear to be correct... Even though it does say it includes new radios in the original post, the screenshot clearly shows the same radio versions that I currently have on my phone after updating the radio with con's PH98IMG.zip from the last OTA..
mighty_markus12 said:
Im not updating until this goes final but how do we relock the device? I assume after we upgrade we can unlock again?
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Yes, you would just have to go through the procedure at HTC dev again to unlock.
to relock in fast boot at a command prompt fastboot oem lock.
and that will relock it .
Sense 3.6? GTFO! I was hoping for 4.0 =[
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jimbo.levy said:
Sense 3.6? GTFO! I was hoping for 4.0 =[
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yep I figured they wouldn't release ever since they announced the one series of phones.
we will not see sense 4.0 because of the HTC One Series phones.
Once those are released, we have a ten fold better chance at seeing sense 4.0..Officially..
we will be getting sense 4.0 as a ROM that's stable and nice, IMO, soon.
So the phone has to be stock, not unlocked..and I can install ics that easy? Any riskz?
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No.. I believe you need S-OFF to flash it from recovery, or to flash it without first re-locking your phone and doing it from HBOOT.
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This is my understanding as well. S-Off is just a "bonus". All other stuff can be done through Fastboot is my belief.
jimbo.levy said:
Sense 3.6? GTFO! I was hoping for 4.0 =[
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That's what htc said all current phones that get ics will have. Only one series gets 4.0.
Sent from my Kindle Fire using Tapatalk
a.mcdear said:
You appear to be correct... Even though it does say it includes new radios in the original post, the screenshot clearly shows the same radio versions that I currently have on my phone after updating the radio with con's PH98IMG.zip from the last OTA..
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Just to let u guys know the screenshot is incorrect for whatever reason. I updated to the new leak and it does have new radios. I don't know how to post a screenshot but the baseband version now shows 1.22.10.0310r, 1.22.10.0308r. Also, new PRI version is 1.16_002, 2.07_002.
Land Master said:
This is my understanding as well. S-Off is just a "bonus". All other stuff can be done through Fastboot is my belief.
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I completely dissagree.
as unlocked is great, as we have root.
s-off is desirebale, and this is why,
with s-off, you can flash radio's in hboot, you can't do that with s-on, you must install the OTA, RUU.
but I do agree that unlocking us is a very good thing, but s-off does have many more benefits.
with s-off we could flash the new ICS firmware, and if you didn't like it flash back to GB OTA.
withs-on, if you flash that "leak" firmware, (or any other firmware, radio,hboot) you are now stuck on them.
The main things I miss from having an s-off phone was these,
1) flashing anything and everything I wanted, I could accept OTA, flash hboots, flash radios, whatever I wanted.
this was thanks to the XTC clip and having s-off.
i miss s-off.
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rellomar said:
Just to let u guys know the screenshot is incorrect for whatever reason. I updated to the new leak and it does have new radios. I don't know how to post a screenshot but the baseband version now shows 1.22.10.0310r, 1.22.10.0308r. Also, new PRI version is 1.16_002, 2.07_002.
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hold home + power to take a screen shot, then attach the pic. in a post, by pressing "manage attachments" down below in "additional options"
Has there been any issues with this update? I heard that apps to sd card wasn't working and MMS was having issues sending. Anybody know for sure?
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andybones said:
I completely dissagree.
as unlocked is great, as we have root.
s-off is desirebale, and this is why,
with s-off, you can flash radio's in hboot, you can't do that with s-on, you must install the OTA, RUU.
but I do agree that unlocking us is a very good thing, but s-off does have many more benefits.
with s-off we could flash the new ICS firmware, and if you didn't like it flash back to GB OTA.
withs-on, if you flash that "leak" firmware, (or any other firmware, radio,hboot) you are now stuck on them.
The main things I miss from having an s-off phone was these,
1) flashing anything and everything I wanted, I could accept OTA, flash hboots, flash radios, whatever I wanted.
this was thanks to the XTC clip and having s-off.
i miss s-off.
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Thanks for clarifying this. So what you are saying is even with the MainVer "fix" (setting to low) we can't flash a GB RUU after we flash an ICS RUU?
If so then I was misinformed or interpreted my research improperly. I was under the impression that we could still do whatever we wanted even though doing so might require additional steps.
TIA
Edit: Apparently this is looking bleak. Doesn't appear as if you can downgrade the RUU. This was apparently tried unsuccessfully as discussed in the Scott's Rom thread. Really sucks and is a great reason why S-off is needed. Not that you would want to downgrade but this is MY phone dammit'.
Edit 2: Good News. Scrosler just flashed back to a GB Rom and had no issues other then the "SD Card" issue which he stated was an "easy" fix. This still doesn't allow for a radio downgrade but apparently the new radios are still compatible with the GB ROM's. LINK
Hi guys.
So I am getting a Rezound on Monday and I plan on doing S-OFF overtop the official ICS OTA.
But I don't want to mess up the phone. Has anybody tried S-OFF with the 3.14.605.12 OTA?
Any replies are appreciated.
Best regards,
Sam
droidian1441 said:
Hi guys.
So I am getting a Rezound on Monday and I plan on doing S-OFF overtop the official ICS OTA.
But I don't want to mess up the phone. Has anybody tried S-OFF with the 3.14.605.12 OTA?
Any replies are appreciated.
Best regards,
Sam
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JuopunutBear s off is for the 3.14.605.5 leak, but that leak has the same radios as the ota.
I personally used the s off method while running 3.14.605.10 firmware with no problems so I don't see why the ota version wouldn't work
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droidian1441 said:
Hi guys.
So I am getting a Rezound on Monday and I plan on doing S-OFF overtop the official ICS OTA.
But I don't want to mess up the phone. Has anybody tried S-OFF with the 3.14.605.12 OTA?
Any replies are appreciated.
Best regards,
Sam
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You truly don't NEED s-off to get most of the roms to work while on the OTA firmware. Although, the phone will come with gingerbread. I say keep s-on/no root for like a week or 2 just so you can work out any kinks if you get a bad one. Also yes at this point, our current s-off procedure cannot really be patched up.
I think it should work with 3.14.605.12 also. I performed s-off being on 3.14.605.10
Snuzzo said:
Also yes at this point, our current s-off procedure cannot really be patched up.
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Do you mean you can't go back S-On? Because yes you can. There's a thread in the dev section about it; it's just a fastboot command ("fastboot writesecureflag 3" or something like that).
Like the others have said, you should be able to S-Off when on the OTA since it has the same radios as the .5 and .10.
Thank you for your replies guys. I appreciate it. Do any of you recommend stock or an ICS rom to flash? I haven't had a HTC since I had a OG Droid Incredible (awesome device) so Ive been out of the loop for a while now. Lol.
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Just did this last night. No problems.
carngeX said:
Do you mean you can't go back S-On? Because yes you can
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No. You misread, It will be Verizon's failure if they attempt to patch up the s-off wire trick. Sorry I give more info than what's needed. For the OTA & S-off is concerned. Yes the current procedures work with the OTA's firmware.
Snuzzo said:
No. You misread, It will be Verizon's failure if they attempt to patch up the s-off wire trick. Sorry I give more info than what's needed. For the OTA & S-off is concerned. Yes the current procedures work with the OTA's firmware.
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Oh, I get what you mean now. You mean the vulnerability used to gain S-Off cannot be patched, at the moment. Yeah, misread that initially, my bad.
Hello All,
I flashed the latest RUU and was wondering if I am at the newest Kernel, firmware, hboot, etc…
Attached are screen shots of what I am showing.
Thanks for any information!
Spyke562 said:
Hello All,
I flashed the latest RUU and was wondering if I am at the newest Kernel, firmware, hboot, etc…
Attached are screen shots of what I am showing.
Thanks for any information!
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yes you are, firmware, radio, and hboot all updated to the latest :good:
Yep all good, only thing did you unlock your bootloader even though your S-OFF? Only ask cause after S-OFF on mine and flashing amon ra I don't get the tampered message anymore.
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LakerStar25 said:
Yep all good, only thing did you unlock your bootloader even though your S-OFF? Only ask cause after S-OFF on mine and flashing amon ra I don't get the tampered message anymore.
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Hey LakerStar25,
No i did not re-unlock my bootloader. My understanding since i am s-off i do not have to? Also i think i can flash a different bootloader to get rid of the tampered message?
I just wanted to make sure i was all up to date. I was getting confused with all the talk about flashing the leaked kernel, RUU, and firmware. Wasn't sure which to flash do i picked the RUU. Guess that was the correct one!
Spyke562 said:
Hey LakerStar25,
No i did not re-unlock my bootloader. My understanding since i am s-off i do not have to? Also i think i can flash a different bootloader to get rid of the tampered message?
I just wanted to make sure i was all up to date. I was getting confused with all the talk about flashing the leaked kernel, RUU, and firmware. Wasn't sure which to flash do i picked the RUU. Guess that was the correct one!
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once you are s-off it doesnt matter the state of hboot being locked vs unlocked. BUT if you want to do fastboot commands with ADB you will need to have an unlocked hboot OR and engineering hboot.
synisterwolf said:
once you are s-off it doesnt matter the state of hboot being locked vs unlocked. BUT if you want to do fastboot commands with ADB you will need to have an unlocked hboot OR and engineering hboot.
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Hey Synisterwolf,
Thanks for the clarification, I new there was something i was missing. Now that you said that I remember running into that issue in the past and had to flash an eng hboot.
Spyke562 said:
Hey Synisterwolf,
Thanks for the clarification, I new there was something i was missing. Now that you said that I remember running into that issue in the past and had to flash an eng hboot.
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Yea sinister is right. I was just wondering because the tampered message yours has on the stock 2.27 hboot I have the stock hboot to but I don't have that message and was wondering why you do that's all.
Sent from my Sense 4 ICS Rezound
Where did you get the latest ruu? I downloaded it yesterday and it didn't work.
Vitamin_D said:
Where did you get the latest ruu? I downloaded it yesterday and it didn't work.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1508118
Third post.
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Vitamin_D said:
Where did you get the latest ruu? I downloaded it yesterday and it didn't work.
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i got mine from androidpolice but there are some through out some of these roms in there post's! here is the link http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ull-ruu-build-4-03-605-2-for-the-htc-rezound/
abrego47 said:
i got mine from androidpolice but there are some through out some of these roms in there post's! here is the link http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ull-ruu-build-4-03-605-2-for-the-htc-rezound/
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Which mirror? The dl'd the first one and it didn't work and a comment at the bottom of the page had the same result. Mirror 2 kept timing out for me. Haven't tried the others yet.
Vitamin_D said:
Which mirror? The dl'd the first one and it didn't work and a comment at the bottom of the page had the same result. Mirror 2 kept timing out for me. Haven't tried the others yet.
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the first one worked out for me, try the other ones i suppose if not try the first ones again
luis86dr said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1508118
Third post.
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Above is where I got my RUU
Bought phone today and got home and noticed the hbpot. I'm a flashoholic! What the hell should I do now??? Just HTC dev unlock I guess?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1940512
this is an excellent option, it work for me and many others.
popper668 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1940512
this is an excellent option, it work for me and many others.
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Thanks man. So do you think they are working towards a windows based solution? Or is linux the exploit?
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polo79 said:
Thanks man. So do you think they are working towards a windows based solution? Or is linux the exploit?
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if you read through the op you will see they do not plan on making a windows version and they also explain why
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Thanks to you as well. Ok. The instructions are a little sparse. I have a small netbook currently running ubunto, I could use that? Also, I would root with regaw and htc method and then use netbook for rest of instructions.
read the first post in the thread, it does work just follow the instructions.
popper668 said:
read the first post in the thread, it does work just follow the instructions.
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OK. I got rooted with regawmod, then was successful in the downgrade to 1.12 hboot. Now I am stuck on trying to RUU to 2.13 from 1.22. I keep having it fail on updating though RUU. Is there any other way to get that done? Can I just flash Fresh 5.1.1? Or am i not able to because i'm not S-off???
polo79 said:
OK. I got rooted with regawmod, then was successful in the downgrade to 1.12 hboot. Now I am stuck on trying to RUU to 2.13 from 1.22. I keep having it fail on updating though RUU. Is there any other way to get that done? Can I just flash Fresh 5.1.1? Or am i not able to because i'm not S-off???
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Y don't u just do the lazypanda s-off now since you are stock. U don't need fresh rom to do it. The new base is installed when u install a new rom on the new base. Just flash radios separately which u can do once s-off or just being on 1.12 I believe.
Anthonicia said:
Y don't u just do the lazypanda s-off now since you are stock. U don't need fresh rom to do it. The new base is installed when u install a new rom on the new base. Just flash radios separately which u can do once s-off or just being on 1.12 I believe.
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Yeah but the instructions state to not do it with 1.22 (what i'm currently on) and only to do it with 1.13. Or am i mistaken?
polo79 said:
OK. I got rooted with regawmod, then was successful in the downgrade to 1.12 hboot. Now I am stuck on trying to RUU to 2.13 from 1.22. I keep having it fail on updating though RUU. Is there any other way to get that done? Can I just flash Fresh 5.1.1? Or am i not able to because i'm not S-off???
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Why would you downgrade hboot and then run ruu to install the latest hboot? If you downgraded to 1.12 you should have no problem running lazy panda. Am I missing something?
On unlimited's site it says the rom requirements to run lazy panda is 1.13 RUU. I was confused on that as well but it hasn't been successful. I'm currently 1.12 hboot with 1.22 software version. So at this point just run the lazy panda?
Someone in mac's development thread stated they were able to run lazy panda on 1.12. You should ask about it in that thread and see if anyone can help
i ran it out of the box no RUU just ran it
Was that you that mentioned it then? I was having a hard time remembering who mentioned it lol
WHOO HOO! I'm S-Off!!! Ok am I finally ready for customer roms etc and I guess i need to flash radios of course.
edit: Thanks guys!
Let me know what customer roms u install. Those sound interesting.
Anthonicia said:
Let me know what customer roms u install. Those sound interesting.
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Yes.......yes they are awesome. And I know where they are and I'm not sharing. Lol jerkface
I hate to sound like an idiot but I am a bit confused. I am currently rooted, S-OFF, running HBOOT 2.09, I have installed TWRP 2.4.1.0. I am on 3.15.651.16 and would like to upgrade to the latest OTA (3.16.651.3). I thought that once I was S-OFF and had the latest TWRP, I could simply take the OTA using (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1770501) but when I take the OTA, the phone just reboots into the recovery. What exactly do I need to do in order to get the latest OTA installed?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
DXtremz said:
I hate to sound like an idiot but I am a bit confused. I am currently rooted, S-OFF, running HBOOT 2.09, I have installed TWRP 2.4.1.0. I am on 3.15.651.16 and would like to upgrade to the latest OTA (3.16.651.3). I thought that once I was S-OFF and had the latest TWRP, I could simply take the OTA using (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1770501) but when I take the OTA, the phone just reboots into the recovery. What exactly do I need to do in order to get the latest OTA installed?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Unlocked/rooted= HTC-DEV
S-OFF = DirtyRacun
If you are indeed S-OFF there is no need to take the OTA you can just flash the needed files in bootloader
bigdaddy619 said:
Unlocked/rooted= HTC-DEV
S-OFF = DirtyRacun
If you are indeed S-OFF there is no need to take the OTA you can just flash the needed files in bootloader
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Thank you.
DirtyRacun. I am S-OFF. I just wasn't sure how to proceed. So I just take the "Full" Firmware from files from captain throwback and flash them. Do I need the TP image or boot img?
DXtremz said:
Thank you.
DirtyRacun. I am S-OFF. I just wasn't sure how to proceed. So I just take the "Full" Firmware from files from captain throwback and flash them. Do I need the TP image or boot img?
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Full Firmware is all you need unless you are going to run a 3.16 based rom. Once more roms get updated to 3.16 you will need the TP image
I did not want to start a new Thread as this is a close to question,
I am
unlocked
hboot: 2.09.0000
With MeanBean and Team Win Recovery Project 2.3.3.0
How do I go about getting S-OFF?
chaos67731 said:
I did not want to start a new Thread as this is a close to question,
I am
unlocked
hboot: 2.09.0000
With MeanBean and Team Win Recovery Project 2.3.3.0
How do I go about getting S-OFF?
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Check the DirtyRacun thread in original development
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bigdaddy619 said:
Full Firmware is all you need unless you are going to run a 3.16 based rom. Once more roms get updated to 3.16 you will need the TP image
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Thanks. I was just planning on running the stock sense rom.
Another NOOB full of questions....
bigdaddy619 said:
Unlocked/rooted= HTC-DEV
S-OFF = DirtyRacun
If you are indeed S-OFF there is no need to take the OTA you can just flash the needed files in bootloader
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I have a question that is just slightly different. I am rooted, S-off at 3.15.651.710RD, Hboot 2.09.4444 (DirtyRacun's Hboot), radio 1.12.11.1119. I am looking into upgrading to 3.16.651.3. As I understand it I should update my firmware before flashing the ROM. My baseband is older than the present one as well as the PRI, BUT...the PRL (Preferred Roaming List?) is newer. I hoping that it won't matter as I know I can update the PRL via OTA at anytime but want to make absolutely sure I'm not going to screw this up by taking anything back to a previous version. Am I okay to flash the firmware in this instance?
update: Sorry I should have been more specific. I have baseband 1.12.11.1119, PRI 2.87_003 and PRL 25012. Looking to install the firmware that says it will give me baseband 1.12.11.1210, PRI 2.97_003, and PRL 24010. I noticed the PRL version is lower than the present version on my phone.
2-18-13 update: I went ahead and did the frmware update and upgraded the ROM to 3.16.651.3. From what I had been reading, I reasoned that the baseband (radio) was the one true thing I had to worry about. Everything worked like a charm. I'm actually kinda glad I decided not to wait for a reply as it gave me a bit more confidence to do what I basically thought was correct all along but was too timid to act on. Thanks again and I gave you a "thanks" button regardless.