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OKay, so this is my first android phone, coming from an Iphone 4 and let me tell you im about 80% disappointed.
Here are some problems im having, im hoping that you can help me turn that 80 into a 20.
1. Apps just randomly run in the background: I'll close all but my live background, my task manager and my alarm clock and go to sleep. When I wake up almost EVERY SINGLE app I have is running in the background. Why? How do I stop this, the Iphone never did this, I feel this is a hard fail on androids part.
2. Many apps force close while im trying to use them: Ive tried stock rom, and serenity 8, same apps same issues. Its becoming a turn off to use the phone for any apps.
3. Multitasking: Is there any? MOST of the time when I switch apps and "multitask" its just like having the app open at the start page, I dont have to reload the app but its not where I last left it like the Iphone. Even on web pages I find if I switch out of the web and go to another app if I return to the web im back at my home page and I have to go to my history just to get back where I was. Is there a way for me to fix this?
4: Ram usage: when I turn my phone off, then on I see 150 in the used ram. This number raises even with out opening any apps. I kill all apps and close all running programs I see nothing running except services and it raises as high as 600 mb with 0 apps open and nothing running except a live background and the task manager. My iphone never had a memory leak, how do I fix this? 600 mb to do nothing is a bit excessive.
As a software developer im really confused as how Google tricked everyone that android was good. Perhaps Im just uninformed and that is why I am here. I am wondering why there would be all these problems right out of the box on an item that is what 4th 5th generation? These are problems that shouldnt be as frequent in 1st and 2nd generations. Any help would be wonderful thank you.
1. this question has been asked a million times. In short, the Android OS handles memory much different than you'd expect. An app will appear as running after you close it but it may not be. Android just keeps that memory allocated to that app in case you need to use it again. But if the OS needs that memory for something else, it will release it from that app and use it for something else.
2. what apps FC on you?
3. i'll leave this for someone else to explain because I dont use the browser much so I dont have much experience with that.
4. this goes along with my answer for #1. Android OS likes to have its memory allocated but it doesnt mean those apps are running.
I might be a little off on my explanation so I'll leave it to the experts to clarify but i'm pretty sure i'm fairly accurate.
1/4 - Not deficiencies, Android is designed that way. If an app is resident in memory, it is more readily accessible. Some badly written apps DO more than just sit there in the task list - but most are OK. Sitting in memory is not bad - holding a wakelock or showing up in your battery usage is.
2 - No clue - not having this problem here. I haven't seen an FC in a few weeks, and the last one was my own fault. What apps?
3) This depends on the app. However, usually the browser returns to wherever I last was when I use it. In fact I wish it were easier to "go home"...
3) Matter of using the right button. Close the app with the home button, and restart it where it left off. Back out of the app with the back button, and start over.
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
i really dont know what to tell you about the FC's because none of those FC on me ... whether I was stock or not. That just doesnt sound right. If you're stock, it shouldn't be FC'ing at all. I can understand if you're rooted and running S8 or some other ROM. Maybe something happened during the flash but stock should be fine.
I'm also trying out the browser on my phone and if I load a random website, go home, open another app and go back to the browser, its still on the last page I viewed.
DKS1282 said:
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
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If you're swithing from app to app, and want to do it more quickly, hold the home button for a few seconds (pretty much anywhere, no need to go 'home' first). It will open up a list of the last 6 apps you've used. Pretty sure from the point you left off.
holding the home button does work pretty well, although sometimes it does not have the last couple apps I was using, mainly Go SMS pro. I am currently running S8 thought it was stable, guess i'll reflash and give this another go for a week, if not then its return to the IP and trade this back for the 4s. Thanks for the help!
Any suggestion on what rom to flash to?
Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
Chase
email
Gmail
maps
market
netflix
web
I'm running Serendipity 8.1 and do not have any problems with these apps from your list. You may need to re-flash.
Edit: what Entropy said.
DKS1282 said:
holding the home button does work pretty well, although sometimes it does not have the last couple apps I was using, mainly Go SMS pro. I am currently running S8 thought it was stable, guess i'll reflash and give this another go for a week, if not then its return to the IP and trade this back for the 4s. Thanks for the help!
Any suggestion on what rom to flash to?
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any of them are good but I personally use UnNamed. You really should wipe your phone first. Thats probably why you have so many FC's. When you flash a new rom, make sure you do NOT restore system apps via Titanium Backup (if thats what you use).
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Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
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i think thats exactly what happened because having that many FC's is not normal .
DKS1282 said:
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
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To switch between running apps all you have to do is long press the home button - one press to see the last six open apps and your there.
Having the browser return to the home page every time just means you don't know what you are doing.
Being concerned about what is being held in ram its also a sign you don't know what you are doing. The memory chip where the ram resides, where you see a list of apps being held has to remain powered on all the time. Whether it is holding 250 MB of data, 500 MB of data or just 10 MB of data it will still be drawing the same amount of power. And just because an apps data is being held in ram does not necessarily mean it is running. Top see what us running you need to check cpu usage.
The only time to concerned about ram is if more than 85% is being used then you would start having problems. But this does not happen on our phones, and only would happen if you had something causing a major memory leak.
All of your force closes are related to you or your particular phone. I have maybe five fc's in a month and three of those happened while I was running cm7.
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Lot of user error here. I'm on the stock ROM with root.
Switch apps quickly by holding home.
If you use the back button to exit an app then you truly are exiting the app. Use home if you want it to start running.
Don't worry about ram usage. This device has 1GB and Android manages it very well without you ever having to worry.
I never have force closes unless it's the developers issue. If you're running from backed up apps then you can expect to have FCs. Install from fresh if you try a new ROM.
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I think the main reason the op is having his browser reset most of the time is because the op is using some kind if task killer. This task killer is also probably the cause of a significant portion of the fc's being experienced.
There should be a forum rule against people who run task killers then complain about fc's, laggy apps, and problems with multitasking.
I mean it should be obvious running a "task killer" on a device designed specifically to multitask - it is so silly. Look at the two phrases side by side "task killer" "multitasking device" - can you see what I mean.
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dayv said:
To switch between running apps all you have to do is long press the home button - one press to see the last six open apps and your there.
Having the browser return to the home page every time just means you don't know what you are doing.
Being concerned about what is being held in ram its also a sign you don't know what you are doing. The memory chip where the ram resides, where you see a list of apps being held has to remain powered on all the time. Whether it is holding 250 MB of data, 500 MB of data or just 10 MB of data it will still be drawing the same amount of power. And just because an apps data is being held in ram does not necessarily mean it is running. Top see what us running you need to check cpu usage.
The only time to concerned about ram is if more than 85% is being used then you would start having problems. But this does not happen on our phones, and only would happen if you had something causing a major memory leak.
All of your force closes are related to you or your particular phone. I have maybe five fc's in a month and three of those happened while I was running cm7.
Just because you don't know how to use a device does not make the device a general fail. Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the guy who has no understanding on what is going on with the processes in the device and drawing conclusions on based on an obviously ignorant perception those observations.
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I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
jmj12us said:
I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
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Not that I know of. There are little tricks like that and a good majority of people would never know of them I'm afraid.
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jmj12us said:
I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
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Samsung has a tips and tricks page specifically for the AT&T GS2 that may show you some things you didn't know. One thing I didn't know was that you can take a screenshot with stock by pressing the power button and the home button at the same time. I also didn't know you can access the clipboard to show everything you "copied" from text fields.
http://www.samsung.com/us/article/tips--tricks-galaxy-s-ii-at-t-
As far as the OP's issues, I have all of those apps except for chase and hootsuite installed on stock and I don't FC at all. For the browser concerns, you may just be opening a new window each time you run the browser from the app icon. Try zooming all the way out of the page and then pinch to zoom out once more and it will show you the windows you have open, or you can press the menu key and select windows. The icon for "windows" in the menu will have a number on it if you have more than one open.
Entropy512 said:
Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
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Number 1... I didnt do that. I didnt think I had to off of a stock rom, but your right, I should have.
Thread cleaned... Please do not make me have to do so again. This forum is for friendly discussion.. Lets keep it that way.
edit --- I see Devine madcat is pushing back to topic
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I don't know what the deal is but this is continually happening to me and across different roms. I am using the built in "Task Manager" feature of touchwiz to monitor what processes are using my cpu. I am finding that some things are sitting there using between 15-45% cpu at all times even when in the background. For example:
Today right before my lunch I checked the task manager, I stared at it for 2 minutes to make sure there was no cpu activity, when I saw that everything looked to me normal I clocked out for my lunch and left work. By the time I was done eating (my phone had been in my pocket the entire time by the way) I checked my phone to see what time it was and noticed that I had lost about 12% battery life in 30 minutes. I immediately opened task manager and found that Browser was in the red and running at a constant 45% cpu usage. I immediately exited the browser. I find that this is happening with other apps as well.
What could be causing this? And more importantly will ICS fix it?
Interesting. Browsers are always killing it for me.
For example I use Dolphin Browser. The ad-dons like Google services and tab switcher kill battery like a mother and also put a ton of CPU stress on the processor.
Only thing I can say is make sure to close out all apps because apps running in a background may run rampant.
Yeah that shouldn't be happening.
I do hope a feature is implemented into android to have a 'do not run list' unless opened by user.
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Interesting. Browsers are always killing it for me.
For example I use Dolphin Browser. The ad-dons like Google services and tab switcher kill battery like a mother and also put a ton of CPU stress on the processor.
Only thing I can say is make sure to close out all apps because apps running in a background may run rampant.
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What I've resorted to is closing all web pages when im done and backing out of apps that I know have started to run out of control sometimes. There has to be an easier way though.
What about times like today when im researching something and have to run out for lunch and just throw my phone in my pocket with 8 browser windows open? I have to go back and find all the pages because I had to close them all out in fear that my battery would drain?
There has to be a better way. I switched to android bevaseu of the horrible memory management apple has. I would hate to leave android beacuse it couldnt control backgournd processes and let my battery be destroyed.
Memory management is good on these phones. Bad memory management causes slow downs.
What you're looking for is app management. I know some may jump on the me for saying anything about a task manager, but you might want to try one out.
Though I'd only recommend using it for the programs you're having issues with. Set it to 'only' kill the problem apps. Not any other apps or system processes.
What browser are you using? If it's happened across multiple roms, it may be an issue with that browser. Better to treat the problem (the app) than the symptom (battery getting drained)
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gr8hairy1 said:
Memory management is good on these phones. Bad memory management causes slow downs.
What you're looking for is app management. I know some may jump on the me for saying anything about a task manager, but you might want to try one out.
Though I'd only recommend using it for the programs you're having issues with. Set it to 'only' kill the problem apps. Not any other apps or system processes.
What browser are you using? If it's happened across multiple roms, it may be an issue with that browser. Better to treat the problem (the app) than the symptom (battery getting drained)
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Well see its happening with the same apps across different roms so I know its either an android problem or a touchwiz problem. Can you reccomend any apps that will auto close apps if they start using too much CPU or an app that would allow auto kill on exit? Thank you.
There's not any apps like that, at least yet. Task killers kill whether the app is using alot of cpu or not.
What apps are causing you issues? Have you compared what apps you have on your phone to entropy512's thread about known battery drainers?
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There's not any apps like that, at least yet. Task killers kill whether the app is using alot of cpu or not.
What apps are causing you issues? Have you compared what apps you have on your phone to entropy512's thread about known battery drainers?
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I remember seeing that thread somewhere before but don't know how to find it again.
Can you reccomend any task killer apps?
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My favorite with my captivate was auto task manger. When you first open it, it tries to get you to update but the update is garbage.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mizusoft.autotaskmanager&hl=en
I haven't used one with my sgs II. Hasn't needed one so far.
Here's a link to the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308030
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My favorite with my captivate was auto task manger. When you first open it, it tries to get you to update but the update is garbage.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mizusoft.autotaskmanager&hl=en
I haven't used one with my sgs II. Hasn't needed one so far.
Here's a link to the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308030
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Thank you, I will read through this.
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I find it interesting that there is no exit button for the in-built browser in Android (at least in 3.2 on my Samsung Epic). What could be the reasoning behind leaving it out? The browser uses a lot of RAM, and if I want to exit out of it, I have to either keep going back to the starting page of the browsing session, or close it from Task Manager. I am perplexed. Could someone comment on this?
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incisivekeith said:
I find it interesting that there is no exit button for the in-built browser in Android (at least in 3.2 on my Samsung Epic). What could be the reasoning behind leaving it out? The browser uses a lot of RAM, and if I want to exit out of it, I have to either keep going back to the starting page of the browsing session, or close it from Task Manager. I am perplexed. Could someone comment on this?
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They probably feel strongly enough that Android is capable of handling RAM on its own. Which is why they look so down upon task managers. It's better to just press the home button, let the OS do what it will with free RAM and when you open it again, it'll either snap right back or load up the page you were on again.
This isn't Windows. There aren't exit buttons in apps for a reason. People more qualified than both you and me discourage task killers because they know how Android works.
Android is built to manage ram on its own, so let it do its job. Don't worry about what's using ram, spend that time enjoying your device. I promise that if you need the ram for something else then it'll be there.
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In a perfect world I would agree but who knows if someones crappy code (apps aside from internet) has a leak and keeps loading itself and draining the battery. I have read many args against task killers but when I use one my phone lasts longer. Placebo effect maybe but hell it's free and makes me think I'm in control ;-)
If you read my post again, you will notice I never mentioned task killers; instead, I was referring to the in-built Task Manager (hence "T" and "M" are capital), which I use to kill the in-built browser.
From experience, the method of shuffling ROM when needed, causes battery drain, and the more RAM that is occupied (with apps not closed completely) the more battery it takes to refresh the RAM. So, it is much better to have more empty RAM, from what I understand.
I use Dolphin HD and my battery is fine, but I just can't seem to make peace with the fact that the browser occupies 70 MB in the RAM and there is no exit button. I hope my question is clear now.
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If you read my post again, you will notice I never mentioned task killers; instead, I was referring to the in-built Task Manager (hence "T" and "M" are capital), which I use to kill the in-built browser.
From experience, the method of shuffling ROM when needed, causes battery drain, and the more RAM that is occupied (with apps not closed completely) the more battery it takes to refresh the RAM. So, it is much better to have more empty RAM, from what I understand.
I use Dolphin HD but I just can't seem to make peace with the fact that the browser occupies 70 MB in the RAM and there is no exit button.
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Unused RAM is wasted RAM so no free RAM is not better.
You can exit dolphin by pressing menu and then exit...
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Again, my posts are only about the native browser, not any other browser. I mentioned Dolphin merely to convey I don't use the native browser but just wondering about the exit button for the native browser.
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It's more easy to newbies like to having such an exit button for every applications installed in my android. Hoping there is some developemnet on this issue later.
Is it possible to make Android NEVER automatically kills running apps, to have true multitasking like on Maemo and webOS?
I am really sick of it killing apps that I use.
I tried V6 supercharger, but that didn't help... I looked everywhere for an answer, but I never found one.
Surely there is a way to make Android multitask like a proper PC, where it's the user who manages apps?
(And please don't tell me that I should leave it to Android, that it knows better, and etc.)
Now, before you start defending Android:
Ever had your browser refresh the page by itself after switching to it?
Ever lost something you were writing when you switched to another app?
Ever had a video pause because you switched from the player?
That shows that Android does NOT have true multitasking.
Now, I see why Google did that - battery life. However there is a new class of devices, where battery life is not such a problem. Tablets.
And yet they still suffer from same issues.
Now, here's an example: the browser. Very often I'd come back to my browser, only to find that it is reloading the page I was on, wasting traffic, and losing whatever text I typed.
That's stupid, right?
I can even track back to what device did this first - the iPhone.
iPhone 1 had 8 times less RAM than your average high end device, yet they still have a similar problem.
So yeah. Not true multitasking. Even in the app switcher, notice that it never says "running apps", only "recent apps" - because it isn't a true multitasking app switcher, just a history of all recent apps you launched.
Go on, scroll to the very top, launch the oldest app on the list. I'm 99% sure that it has restarted. This would've never happened if Android had TRUE multitasking.
Now, there has to be a way to get that. Desktop Linux does it, so Android probably can too.
If you ever notice that the app restarts, it's the app that is badly implemented. All apps must be able to handle a restart by Android transparently to the user by saving its state. If not, tell the app developer to fix it.
Chrome, Dolphin, Boat, Maxthon, AOSP, ICS Browser+, Opera, Firefox.
That's a list of browsers that have this problem.
Do you really think that they all implemented multitasking wrong?
Again, it's a problem with Android - I don't want apps to save their state so that Android can kill them - I want them to never leave RAM at all.
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Now, here's an example: the browser. Very often I'd come back to my browser, only to find that it is reloading the page I was on, wasting traffic, and losing whatever text I typed.
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Maybe dont answer all ur questions:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/...lication-is-that-frowned-upon/2034238#2034238
Apps who properly implement onSaveInstanceState() can come back, in case of web browsers is more complex to use it properly, texts or images are simple to imagine how to OS save on "disk" to retrieve later, what about sockets or open files (can be deleted while in background).
Android keep on background until the resources are needed for another task (and maybe a time limit, but dunno for sure), if happen very often w/ u means ur OS r using more resources than what need to keep on background.
Android has true multitasking, but... eh here's a link. Read yourself.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html?m=1
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But is it possible to make it so that apps do not get killed at all, just like in Maemo or a normal PC?
What you showed me is exactly why Android does not have true multitasking: it uses stuff like services to actually have less things running - and I don't want that. I want all apps to truly stay in the background - so a YouTube video would continue playing, just like when I minimize the browser on my PC, and etc.
I understand why that isn't the default behavior on phones, but it could be really useful on a tablet.
I don't want to be at mercy of app developers - since even Google messes up: every time I switch out of Google Talk, I lose what I was typing.
I'd much rather have a limited amount of apps that I can launch at a time, and be able to manage what I want to keep open myself.
What you are asking for is basically to completely change core Android behavior.
Sorry, but its just not possible
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It is possible, because it's been done. There was a guy who did it over on the V6 supercharger thread, but I don't think the how he did it was ever released. Instead it was developed into a "kill apps only when ram is REALLY needed" method, which could run up to 20 apps at a time on some phones apparently
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I get what you are talking about but I'd say is what device your using. My eVo 4g lte's was written screwed up by HTC. Maybe yours is like that too. My rom maker and other devs have done many fixes for it. It has got better but my eVo and eVo 3d still multitask better, and it is true multitasking. It doesn't work like I'm talking about on all devices, but for u to say it's all of Android.......... It's not.
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The mulittasking in Android has some limits which are quite annoying. On my Droid 3 apps that I haven't used will start in the background and waste RAM so there isn't enough RAM to multitask and the device is laggy. I tried rooting and freezing bloatware, but other apps have just filled the void by automatically running in the background. I really wish the user had more control over multitasking. Unless I open an app I don't want it to start in the background, even if there is enough free RAM. But Motorola makes some pretty bad software so this could be the issue.
On my Touchpad with CM9 multitasking is quite a bit better. Not sure if its having 1GB of RAM, improvements in ICS, or just CM but you can actually run several programs at once without them closing, so my browser pages stay loaded.
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Android has true multitasking, but... eh here's a link. Read yourself.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html?m=1
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gagdude said:
What you are asking for is basically to completely change core Android behavior.
Sorry, but its just not possible
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Then how come this was possible on iOS?
My iPad 1 was a multitasking beast with just 2 tweaks - Swap and Backgrounder.
Everything was smooth. And yet I can't get the same on devices with 4 times more RAM?
gagdude said:
What you are asking for is basically to completely change core Android behavior.
Sorry, but its just not possible
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Did it weeks ago. Maximum Overdrive to bypass Maximum hidden app limit.
Just grab the Ultimate Jar PowerTools script or the windows exe version.
http://goo.gl/1JPl8
Also read Post 2 of the thread for a link to the windows.exe
Currently hacking Sense 4+ which seems to be working well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900626
Tried V6 - but apps I bulletproofed still get killed.
So yeah. Looks like the only thing I can do is wait until webOS gets ported to my tablet...
SilverHedgehog said:
Tried V6 - but apps I bulletproofed still get killed.
So yeah. Looks like the only thing I can do is wait until webOS gets ported to my tablet...
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Did you patch services.jar with the multitasking mods?
Yes, with "Jelly ISCream Automatic Patcher".
V6 script showed me that I'm 100% supercharged.
well...I didn't experienced these kind of problem before. android indeed has good multitasking stuff. the number of app running on background depend on the ram size. you can't expect to run such heavy app with huge ram consumption on such device with low ram. anyway, you can try to play with minfree stuff. try to minimilize the value
The Note 10.1 can have side by side applications, is this what you kinda mean?
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SilverHedgehog said:
Yes, with "Jelly ISCream Automatic Patcher".
V6 script showed me that I'm 100% supercharged.
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Well the latest one is actually called Ultimate Jar Power Tools so if you ran that, and enable Maximum Multitasking Mods, then you should be getting better multitasking/app reloads.
The windows exe would do the same thing of course and is up to date.... well until I update it later cause I'm adding the Sense 4 mod.
Any idea about how many apps you can run before vs after?
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The way my GP 4.0 works is odd...It's as if after every reboot, the player has a certain amount of fuel (and no I'm not referring to the battery). After usage, that fuel gets burned down and the player starts running sluggishly and eventually either freezes up and forces me to do a forced shut down or it reboots itself. I usually can't keep the thing on without a reboot for longer than 3 days. It's not a major issue, but it makes playing games rough because sometimes in the middle of a game, the player just freezes up and reboots. The battery typically never goes beyond 100 degrees F, unless I'm in a hot car or something.
Anyone else got this problem? Any suggestions? I've heard of something called Lagfix that does something like trimming or something of the sort...Yeah, noob here. Would that fix me up? Running gingerbread 2.3.5 stock rom and kernel.
How many apps do you have installed and how many are running in the background?
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iurnait said:
How many apps do you have installed and how many are running in the background?
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I have a lot installed. Not many are running in the background...I mean I froze the maps app so that it can't run. I have lookout, a CPU status widget, yahoo mail, textplus, adwlauncher, rootdim, and my battery indicator. That is, according to the running services in the settings. Any ideas?
What's using the most ram?
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iurnait said:
What's using the most ram?
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Well according to the running services tab in the settings, it's lookout and adwlauncher. I had the problem before adelauncher though....Is my device just faulty? :/
try a factory reset and dont install anything after.
if it doesnt seem to hang, reinstall your apps slowly, one by one to see which one is causing the problem
Your player is using to much ram so it's going to restart. Use the task manager to kill any app you aren't using.
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obscuresword said:
Your player is using to much ram so it's going to restart. Use the task manager to kill any app you aren't using.
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2 problems with that. 1. in the task manager, no tasks are seen running. I almost always have around 70 mb of ram free no matter what. 2. if I use a task killer (such as advanced task killer), I can kill apps that are running (such as the ebay app...Not sure why that even runs in background), but they come back on within seconds....do I just need to uninstall apps?
I will suggest you try using advance task manager to monitor your applications, rather then the system's task manager.
Jisrest said:
I will suggest you try using advance task manager to monitor your applications, rather then the system's task manager.
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But when I kill a task in advanced task killer to kill unwanted running apps, they come back on after like 5 seconds. However, these are apps that I'd like to have installed, such as ebay, weather, and youtube. Do you suggest just uninstalling as many as possible?
I would do a complete reset and then slowly install your apps. This way u can see what is causing the problem.
And don't install unecassary apps
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WHib96 said:
2 problems with that. 1. in the task manager, no tasks are seen running. I almost always have around 70 mb of ram free no matter what. 2. if I use a task killer (such as advanced task killer), I can kill apps that are running (such as the ebay app...Not sure why that even runs in background), but they come back on within seconds....do I just need to uninstall apps?
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Are you using a custom rom? You shouldn't have 70mb all the time. You should have at least 162mb when it just starts booting up, and then 100mb- 120mb when using it. ADW Launcher is kinda heavy on memory. Try Holo Launcher or one that doesn't use a ton of ram. I remember on mine it was Go Launcher using too much ram, and it was causing it to stutter. Also I suggest uninstall (or just doing a complete restore) some of the apps. Our players suck with managing ram imo lol.
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Are you using a custom rom? You shouldn't have 70mb all the time. You should have at least 162mb when it just starts booting up, and then 100mb- 120mb when using it. ADW Launcher is kinda heavy on memory. Try Holo Launcher or one that doesn't use a ton of ram. I remember on mine it was Go Launcher using too much ram, and it was causing it to stutter. Also I suggest uninstall (or just doing a complete restore) some of the apps. Our players suck with managing ram imo lol.
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Stock rom and stock kernel. Would custom ones be better?
I do get the around 160 mb of ram when booting up. Actually, I do have around 90 mb of ram available after the boot up. Well, the thing is, is that adwlauncher has almost made it all better. It just runs so much smoother than touchwiz and i like it a lot. However, I can try another I suppose. Well that sucks. Should I start using a task killer and having it auto kill or something? I mean I don't really wanna uninstall youtube, or ebay, but I guess I could uninstall some other stuff.
Okay, so last night I uninstalled some apps that according to advanced task killer were running in the background. I've also uninstalled Lookout just to free up some more ram. now I get about 90-100 mb of ram when idle, and things are working all right for now. I'll report how it performs after a day or two...It's just a shame that the galaxy player has so little ram that I'm forced to uninstall some apps that won't even give me the option to stop them from running the background.
WHib96 said:
Okay, so last night I uninstalled some apps that according to advanced task killer were running in the background. I've also uninstalled Lookout just to free up some more ram. now I get about 90-100 mb of ram when idle, and things are working all right for now. I'll report how it performs after a day or two...It's just a shame that the galaxy player has so little ram that I'm forced to uninstall some apps that won't even give me the option to stop them from running the background.
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Custom Kernels, and roms help the player a lot imo. I would at least flash a custom kernel, because it boots the total ram from 342 to 352mb. Yeah I think that since you have a lot of apps installed it is bogging down the player. Uninstall the apps you don't need, or rarely use. I know I wished samsung would have properly upgraded our players. Instead we got the 3.6, and 4.2 which do some things better, but other things worse. They made the 5.8 but to me it's not worth the money.
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Custom Kernels, and roms help the player a lot imo. I would at least flash a custom kernel, because it boots the total ram from 342 to 352mb. Yeah I think that since you have a lot of apps installed it is bogging down the player. Uninstall the apps you don't need, or rarely use. I know I wished samsung would have properly upgraded our players. Instead we got the 3.6, and 4.2 which do some things better, but other things worse. They made the 5.8 but to me it's not worth the money.
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Okay so unfortunately, I just got another crash/reboot. I was playing Draw something with my sister when suddenly it began to hang for about 4 seconds and then just reboot. This is the normal crash I used to get, and always get after about 3 days of having the thing on and using it. I had plenty of open ram when this happened. before I opened draw something, I had about 100 mb of ram.
Uninstalling apps has cut down on the amount of lag and hangs I get, but I still get this stupid reboot deal after a while...Is there any way to make this stop? I mean I could just do a factory reset, but I almost don't even think it's worth having to redo everything just to fix rebooting once every 2 or 3 days.
WHib96 said:
Okay so unfortunately, I just got another crash/reboot. I was playing Draw something with my sister when suddenly it began to hang for about 4 seconds and then just reboot. This is the normal crash I used to get, and always get after about 3 days of having the thing on and using it. I had plenty of open ram when this happened. before I opened draw something, I had about 100 mb of ram.
Uninstalling apps has cut down on the amount of lag and hangs I get, but I still get this stupid reboot deal after a while...Is there any way to make this stop? I mean I could just do a factory reset, but I almost don't even think it's worth having to redo everything just to fix rebooting once every 2 or 3 days.
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If your galaxy player is rooted I would try installing a custom kernel and see what happens. Because 1) It gives you the ability to overclock to 1.2 ghz (If you buy tegrak or set cpu you can overclock to 1.3 or even 1.5ghz). This helps with lag and memory issues from my experience, and 2) You can make a backup of your files on your device using ClockWorkMod, so you don't have to redo everything if factory resetting doesn't work.
But most likely I think you are going to have to just do a factory reset. Usually that fixes the memory problem since it resets everything on the player. But be warned flashing kernels and roms does void your warranty and can mess up your player if not done right. However, there's tons of tutorials on how to do it. If you like it stock, , iJimaniac has made a custom rom called R.E.D.D it uses the stock kernel with a modified version of the stock rom.
Also do you mind taking a screenshot or picture of your taskmanger and apps?
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If your galaxy player is rooted I would try installing a custom kernel and see what happens. Because 1) It gives you the ability to overclock to 1.2 ghz (If you buy tegrak or set cpu you can overclock to 1.3 or even 1.5ghz). This helps with lag and memory issues from my experience, and 2) You can make a backup of your files on your device using ClockWorkMod, so you don't have to redo everything if factory resetting doesn't work.
But most likely I think you are going to have to just do a factory reset. Usually that fixes the memory problem since it resets everything on the player. But be warned flashing kernels and roms does void your warranty and can mess up your player if not done right. However, there's tons of tutorials on how to do it. If you like it stock, , iJimaniac has made a custom rom called R.E.D.D it uses the stock kernel with a modified version of the stock rom.
Also do you mind taking a screenshot or picture of your taskmanger and apps?
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It is indeed rooted. However, can't I already overclock to 1.2 ghz? I mean I have tegrak and it lets me overclock to that already. I don't even mind the CPU speed now, it's just the random reboots I get that bother me. And if it needs to be said, I really cannot remember if my player has always done this...
So unless flashing a kernel or rom is actually gonna make my player run smoother (I've heard that stock stuff runs smoothest because it's made for that specific device), I don't really see a need to do it. I'm perfectly fine with the way it is stock...Just not fine with the occasional bits of lag I get (temple run is basically not playable on my player, because even the slightest hang will screw you up) and the stupid reboots.
Sure. You want a screenshot of advanced task killer open (showing all the apps that are currently running)? As for apps, how do you want me to get a picture of all those? It'd take several pictures because I'd have to scroll through the apps list and take multiple pictures.
WHib96 said:
It is indeed rooted. However, can't I already overclock to 1.2 ghz? I mean I have tegrak and it lets me overclock to that already. I don't even mind the CPU speed now, it's just the random reboots I get that bother me. And if it needs to be said, I really cannot remember if my player has always done this...
So unless flashing a kernel or rom is actually gonna make my player run smoother (I've heard that stock stuff runs smoothest because it's made for that specific device), I don't really see a need to do it. I'm perfectly fine with the way it is stock...Just not fine with the occasional bits of lag I get (temple run is basically not playable on my player, because even the slightest hang will screw you up) and the stupid reboots.
Sure. You want a screenshot of advanced task killer open (showing all the apps that are currently running)? As for apps, how do you want me to get a picture of all those? It'd take several pictures because I'd have to scroll through the apps list and take multiple pictures.
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Yes about the pictures, but like I said the kernel does give you more ram so it should help. But According to iJimaniac that his rom has less bugs than stock lol.
Go and read his rom thread to get an idea http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2123715
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obscuresword said:
Yes about the pictures, but like I said the kernel does give you more ram so it should help. But According to iJimaniac that his rom has less bugs than stock lol.
Go and read his rom thread to get an idea http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2123715
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Some pictures...Sorry about the superuser permission box. But hey, it's a free app so whatever. If you need to know what's underneath it in any of the pictures, let me know and I'll find out and tell you.