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I know i have seen this mentioned before but in running a search never found a definitive thread on it...so forgive me if this is redundant.
Its my understanding that the same rom build but one being loaded with as many programs as the partition will allow vs. the same rom build with most extra programs taken out should have no noticeable impact on performance as long as you use the task manager to only allow the same essential programs to load at bootup. the down side of a 'light' rom is if you want to add programs later it will not be installed in the partition with the rom....even if there is space..it will take away from storage space.
My question is, if my above assumptions are correct, why do people want light roms? why not have one loaded up with all that can fit...no matter if your talking 2.1 or 3.5 (3.5 giving more space for roms due to the partition being moved).
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Why installing many non needed applications isn't a good idea in ANY PC?
Because..... startup loading .dll, services, reading BIG registry file, crowded windows directory slow down the PC, decreasing available resources and memory.
A WM6 ROM is a swiss knife! Many things, to answer to all user needs... but I have mine . SO you can chose the fast way, flashing a lite rom, of the hardest way (mine), flashing a FULL rom and stopping non needed services, avoid loading uneeded dlls... The same things the chef does before releasing a lite rom . This is the hardest way, you have to know deeply WM6 structure, using a light rom is the easiest way
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Why installing many non needed applications isn't a good idea in ANY PC?
Because..... startup loading .dll, services, reading BIG registry file, crowded windows directory slow down the PC, decreasing available resources and memory.
A WM6 ROM is a swiss knife! Many things, to answer to all user needs... but I have mine . SO you can chose the fast way, flashing a lite rom, of the hardest way (mine), flashing a FULL rom and stopping non needed services, avoid loading uneeded dlls... The same things the chef does before releasing a lite rom . This is the hardest way, you have to know deeply WM6 structure, using a light rom is the easiest way
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My rom is really full, and isnt slower then light roms.
hehe!
There is a difference in available memory with the different SPLs, spl1.2 gives you more storage memory than spl3.5.
That said......
when a rom is loaded with programs it sometimes gives a user problems to install a new build of a said program that was loaded in rom. When you install a newer build and then try to uninstall it you might end up with a "hanged" device (this happened to me multiple times), and the only way to not see that wait cursor is to soft reset, and after soft reset, the program is still there in "remove programs", and if you try to run it after soft reset it won't run, and if you try to install it again you will get the message that the program is already installed and you have to remove it first and when you try to remove it again your device is stuck with the wait cursor again.........after all this, the only way to remove this program that you can't use anymore is to do a hard reset.
this happened to me too many times, this doesn't happen all the time though...some programs got installed over whats built in, like opera9.5 but I ended up with 2 icons in programs.
This is one of the reasons that kicked me away from full roms. I liked full roms before but after these incidents I find that lite roms don't/hardly come with those kind of problems, plus I get more space with spl1.2 to install a good amount of programs that I use regularly and still have more than 100MB left to install more programs that has to be installed to main memory.
Below are things I had said in another post and didn't want to rewrite it, so I just copied and paste (something my friend can't do on his iphone, ha, I still laugh at him about it)
Well really, Lite versions don't really bring much to the table except that it allows me to install only the apps that I need or want without having my programs folder looking like something out of a horror movie , eg. if I use the more robust SoftMake Office 2008 there's really no need for me to have MS Office installed, right?
Lite versions gives me an almost clean OS which gives me the "feeling" that my phone runs faster (even it it isn't running faster and just a subconscious feeling). Plus it installs faster .
Lite Versions are just the courtesy from the chef to us the people who wants the lite version, because the chef cooks in the apps that he wants, so for him to take out all that just for us is real generous....get what I'm trying to say?
It is nothing superior to the full, it doesn't carry the bells and whistles, its just what it is "lite". I have a plethora of cabs and only the ones I use. On a full install I hardly use 50% of the apps that comes with it....actually, I might only use 25%.
For me it all boils down to this......a lite version offers me the option of really customizing my phone, no additives, just the things I put in it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2536154&postcount=26
Hi all,
I have worked for a long time with ROMs with different origin (AOSP, Sammy based, CM 10.1, ...) however I'm unable to keep the ROM fresh and sharp for a long time. After a couple of weeks, delays start to occur randomly and the "snappiness" is gone.
In my opinion the apps have nothing to do with it as I restore them immediately after I install a new ROM (with settings).
So the question : do you have any maintenance tasks / tips I should regularly complete ?
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Hi all,
I have worked for a long time with ROMs with different origin (AOSP, Sammy based, CM 10.1, ...) however I'm unable to keep the ROM fresh and sharp for a long time. After a couple of weeks, delays start to occur randomly and the "snappiness" is gone.
In my opinion the apps have nothing to do with it as I restore them immediately after I install a new ROM (with settings).
So the question : do you have any maintenance tasks / tips I should regularly complete ?
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Why not regularly reflash the original rom or at least its bare bones nandroid and your TB backup .
jje
JJEgan said:
Why not regularly reflash the original rom or at least its bare bones nandroid and your TB backup .
jje
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Would be an option to consider ! However still not clear to me what causes this .. When I look at the OS on my PC, I do know where the delaying factors are to be found (e.g. disk fragmentation, (uninstalled) software leaving files and registry entries, ...) and I can fix those ! I would like to do the same for my Android ROM.
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Would be an option to consider ! However still not clear to me what causes this .. When I look at the OS on my PC, I do know where the delaying factors are to be found (e.g. disk fragmentation, (uninstalled) software leaving files and registry entries, ...) and I can fix those ! I would like to do the same for my Android ROM.
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There is this app on the playstore that uses TRIM command called fstrim to flush out unused memory/storage (it's like a disk defrager on windows) thus making the device a little snappier more info about this app here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2104326
You should also regularly clean your app cache (they're like temporary files created by apps just like in windows) by using apps like History Cleaner, Clean Master etc. If you're an advanced user i also recommend the app SD Maid. It cleans various system directories including your ext sdcard (it cleaned around 1gb when i first ran it) so be cautious and do research it's functions too before you use the app.
Without any explanation as to why, I found reflashing kernel keeps thing feeling fresher, and once a month I format everything including internal sd, and re-flash my rom, then restore only minimal system data via xml......txt/logs/WiFi ap etc
The more you modify Samsung Roms, the worse they perform imho
Likewise AOSP Roms, though they are always more snappy but also more bug prone, that is just my opinion though, we all end up with what keeps us happy, tweaked how we want it, so comparisons yet again don't mean a lot, just experience
Thanks for the responses so far .. I'm going to use the Lagfix for new and see how that advances. SD Maid I already use quite some time .. It is a bit sad to see that the OS can slow down so quickly.. although I have to admit I'm constantly experimenting and testing apps but I don't see an actual reason for the returning delay..
I'm afraid I'll have to get used to it or do a regular re-flash..
So I understand the OS takes up a certain percentage of the device's memory but something seems ridiculous in this? I don't have many apps installed (few social networking apps and two games, Flappy Bird and Sonic 2) and I don't download documents or anything like that, so I don't know what's going on. Any idea what "miscellaneous files" would be taking this much space?? I've cleared cache by the way, just to make sure.
Did you root your phone? Are you running a custom ROM by any chance?
In my case, I have a rooted S4 running the Hyperdrive ROM, and I forgot to delete the installer after I flashed it; it takes up a whopping 2GB of space almost, and I was wondering what was using it up. I used the file browser to delete it and regained space.
I havent seen a stock phone use up that much space in misc, so maybe you've got updates or carrier bloat? More info would help, device model, build version, the like.
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Did you root your phone? Are you running a custom ROM by any chance?
In my case, I have a rooted verizon S4 running the Hyperdrive ROM, and I forgot to delete the installer after I flashed it; it takes up a whopping 2GB of space almost, and I was wondering what was using it up. I used the file browser to delete it and regained space.
I havent seen a stock phone use up that much space in misc, so maybe you've got updates or carrier bloat? More info would help, device model, build version, the like.
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Yeah, sorry about that. I'm stock rooted, all the way up to date (mk2). No custom Roms (or safestrap). but I did use xposed for a bit with a lot of modules which I have since deleted. think it could he leftover files? not sure where to look exactly though. and I wouldn't think it would just be bloat because I've only recently noticed it taking that much space.
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Yeah, sorry about that. I'm stock rooted, all the way up to date (mk2). No custom Roms (or safestrap). but I did use xposed for a bit with a lot of modules which I have since deleted. think it could he leftover files? not sure where to look exactly though. and I wouldn't think it would just be bloat because I've only recently noticed it taking that much space.
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Yeah, I think it could be leftover module files. I was always told to disable modules before deleting them, otherwise they might not be completely deleted, even after reboots. Xposed, once installed, should create a small file you can flash in Safestrap that removes all modules. If you dont have that file, reinstall the framework only, reboot, and then use a file manager to see if its there. Its usually in the root of the internal storage.
You both must be new to the GS4. When it was released people kept complaining about the 9 GB of available Internal Storage.
So that 7.37 GB your'e seeing are all the miscellaneous files your phone needs to run. You can't/shouldn't delete them and everyone that owns a GS4 has them.
Regarding yo applications, you have 7.26 GB of application data on your phone. I highly doubt you have only "2" applications installed. The phone comes with at least 200 apps already installed on it :crying: Try rooting and uninstalling most of those you don't use.
And here is what my phone shows. Only 9.59 GB of TOTAL SPACE available and it only shows 5.43 MB of Misc. data cause Stock Android is way more realistic than TouchWiz. I'm running CM11 so its a bit more realistic than what the stock TouchWiz version shows but yeah I don't think anyone who owns a GS4 has ever had more than 9.5 GB of data to use. It sucks because Verizon and Samsung misled people when they said it had 16 gigs.
Good Luck :highfive:
Exactly... Never more than 9.59 g total lol it was a big deal when the s4 came out. Here's mine.. In running BeanStalk ROM
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I knew the problem of not much space being available when new, and I am not new here. After trying to uninstall xposed, remove the files, etc I was getting nowhere so I decided to do a factory reset. Turns out it was something to do with my Apps taking up a ridiculous amount of space. After resetting and installing the EXACT SAME apps, my app space is down to 0.90GB. I am still set on it being something to do with xposed modules not being removed correctly and leaving leftover files around or something along those lines (?). But got it fixed. Thanks everyone for the help and suggestions!
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I have a Verizon GS4 rooted with Safestrap on MK2 and hyperdrive 14 rom. My miscellaneous file is also crazy. I have 13 GB in this folder and I don't know why. PI erased everything and repartitioned safestrap, but still got this. I don't know what to do. I did the data at 3000, the cashe at 600 and left the system alone at it's default setting.
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I have a Verizon GS4 rooted with Safestrap on MK2 and hyperdrive 14 rom. My miscellaneous file is also crazy. I have 13 GB in this folder and I don't know why. PI erased everything and repartitioned safestrap, but still got this. I don't know what to do. I did the data at 3000, the cashe at 600 and left the system alone at it's default setting.
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I've suggested this several times before: use the Disk Usage app from the app store to explore the internal memory to see what's consuming space. In my case, it was thumbnails for the Gallery app eating several gigs of space.
so i never modded or rommed my phone this time. and nearly 2 years after, my phone is slow as hell. is this natural--just bloat builds up over time? if i try to send someone 2 consecutive texts, i have to wait ~1 second after the first text before i can type the next because of lag
i was wondering if updating my OS would help here, or ironically make it worse because of the old hardware.
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The S III is a good piece of hardware.
If you just update the ROM probably it will remain slow.
To speed up things you should root, backup your apps using good backup utility. I use Titanium Backup.
Take a look here: [Guide] Noobs guide to use Titanium Backup for backup and restore of apps.
Then you must wipe your phone, install a new rom, either stock or custom, restore apps and your phone will be up to speed again.
Titanium can also restore messages, call log and wifi accounts, but use the xml version of backups to restore.
And DO NOT restore system apps or other system data.
Sergio Barbosa said:
The S III is a good piece of hardware.
If you just update the ROM probably it will remain slow.
To speed up things you should root, backup your apps using good backup utility. I use Titanium Backup.
Take a look here: [Guide] Noobs guide to use Titanium Backup for backup and restore of apps.
Then you must wipe your phone, install a new rom, either stock or custom, restore apps and your phone will be up to speed again.
Titanium can also restore messages, call log and wifi accounts, but use the xml version of backups to restore.
And DO NOT restore system apps or other system data.
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can you explain to me why my phone is slow as a dog right now though? just want to learn so i can plan preventative measures for next time.
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can you explain to me why my phone is slow as a dog right now though? just want to learn so i can plan preventative measures for next time.
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Just normal OS behavior after a few years of use, running dozens of apps and installing and uninstalling a lot more.
Also happens with windows. I always do a fresh install of Windows when moving to a new version.
As your phone runs 24/7 all the time it will become slower.
Sure you may take some preventive measures, but my advise is to use it to the fullest and just do a clean reinstall if/when you feel it is necessary.
And if you just do a dirty install, without a wipe, all crap and leftovers accumulated over time will remain there.
Sergio Barbosa said:
Just normal OS behavior after a few years of use, running dozens of apps and installing and uninstalling a lot more.
Also happens with windows. I always do a fresh install of Windows when moving to a new version.
As your phone runs 24/7 all the time it will become slower.
Sure you may take some preventive measures, but my advise is to use it to the fullest and just do a clean reinstall if/when you feel it is necessary.
And if you just do a dirty install, without a wipe, all crap and leftovers accumulated over time will remain there.
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Please do not compare it to windows as this is not completely true. Read up on linux based operating systems.
Install a 4.4.4 rom to benefit from better security and features or atleast reset the phone if that is as far as you want to go,
your firmware your running is probably outdated for this newer stuff, when the art changes in the system you need to update a couple of things in the system or hardware for it too work. If id were you id update my firmware, modem, and bootloader but just make sure you don't update with sammy's new knox special feature lol.
After updating to the latest stock ROM, removing knox is not a problem with Chainfire's root method.
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After updating to the latest stock ROM, removing knox is not a problem with Chainfire's root method.
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Thank you,! get this, so now I'm getting a fail on Odin when trying to upgrade my firmware? If you have kies installed on your pc could that be the issue? I'm also un-rooted.
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A very simple way to update the phone would be to download the latest stock ROM from sammobile.com and flash it with Odin.
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A very simple way to update the phone would be to download the latest stock ROM from sammobile.com and flash it with Odin.
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Model GT-I9300
Model name GALAXY S Ⅲ
Country Iraq
Version Android 4.3
Changelist 2897066
Build date Thu, 25 Feb 2016 07:46:13 +0000
Security Patch Level N/A
Product code MID
PDA I9300XXUGPB1
CSC I9300OJVGPB1
in 2016 and they managed to released yet another 4.3 Stock ROM??!! I don't belong to that region but it looks like an international ROM, I am on 4.3 2013 firmware. should we upgrade as well? anyone tried the new 2016 ones?
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Thank you,! get this, so now I'm getting a fail on Odin when trying to upgrade my firmware? If you have kies installed on your pc could that be the issue? I'm also un-rooted.
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What error are you getting in Odin? Are you able to post he Odin log?
Just thought I'd chime in with some proper explanations.
Your phone has bogged down because the hardware is old now and most apps consume more CPU power than the phone can provide. Couple this with the ever expanding nature for RAM and the device will be under a lot of demand. Devices now are at least twice the hardware.
Now to the operating system itself. Android is not windows, nor linux, nor Unix. It is CLOSEST to Unix, derived from Linux and nowhere near windows even if you're blind and deaf and can't tell the difference. It really is a "bastard". The nature of android is to cache data for speed. Once this cache is full or resources run low, or android just can't kill an app for whatever reason it will bog the os down so bad the device will become unusable. I could demonstrate this VERY easily by filling up the internal memory with crap apps and dumb data and watch the device slow to a standstill (even the htc m9 I'm writing this on right now is susceptible). It's the nature of Android that causes the bogging down because it has run out of resources. It is THAT simple!.
Can we solve this bogging down by shutting down the offending apps with things like "greenify" or "hibernation"?.
The answer to that is "NO". Short and simple, you'll make the situation much worse if you attempt to hibernate apps. This is because the os will call for the app under its "normal allowances" which are defined by "permissions", you may have noticed these on some of the googleplay "read more" page when browsing an app. There are also permissions that you cannot see, one example would be "startup" which allows the app to start when the phone boots up. You CAN stop these startup apps at boot but if they continue to run you're best leaving that app alone. The reason being is that the OS will call the app, the app WILL respond. Then whatever app you're using to "control" other apps will detect the call and intervene, attempting to shut the process amd services down, the OS will detect this as a fail to load so it'll invoke (call) the process and service again, the "control" app steps in, rinse and repeat. Without knowing you've just waged a war in your phone between 2 apps and the OS. This will murder the resources and battery power.
So, after 2 years of normal operation your phone has become slow. You now know that the problem is that the phone is outdated because it is struggling to provide for the resource hungry apps that are out there (this is about as "in common" with windows as it gets).
Custom roms will be a waste of time. The reason is that custom roms are open source code, are very rarely optimised and not really compatible with the proprietary hardware they have to control. Although you can unlock extra potential it will be countered by the poorly written code. The custom rom will bog down in half the time of an official firmware.
I'm afraid I'll have to be the first to admit that your phone has now surpassed its life cycle. The only way to get better performance at this stage is to upgrade to a more powerful device. Not exactly the news you WANT to hear but it is the most honest advice you will find in this thread.
A LOT of people don't quite understand how android works as an operating system but they'll be quick to give you advice that is only partly true or not true at all.
The odin problem. Kies can be installed but the processes must NOT be running. Stop the kies processes in task manager.
As audit13 said, the output window in odin, we need to see that so we can determine whats wrong. We also need you to make sure you know what model s3 you have and that you have the correct firmware for your phone. Double check them in the settings menu.
Beamed in by telepathy.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3/development/rom-s3-i9300-4-3-based-stock-rom-t3338959/page2
Try this , I think this can help you !! Good luck
Been a while since I made a ROM for an Android Headunit so I am a little rusty, but hopefully this works.
This is basically the JY ROM from 9/23/2015 with:
the userdata partition changed to 3GB
modded JY apps (4.8 for music, 4.2 for radio, 4.1 for BT and 4.0 Blue for videos - see this thread for details of them - Thanks to @sabruri1, @ANACLETOESTR, @pk313 and @robertut for their work on the apps).
also MTCWeather was updated to 1.4.1 so currently it is working like it should.
I haven't tested this so make sure you know what you are doing and currently it is only RK3188 1024x600 (I may make other versions if it works and there is demand).
Rom isn't rooted and has nothing else added (I wanted something as close to stock as possible, I just didn't want to have to use root explorer to copy in all the updated system apps repeatedly.
Root should work with the factory setting password tho.
Anyway hopefully someone can test.
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Since the userdata partition is changing size you need to wipe data before and after flashing.
Download link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fx5xl832dmx3oir/update.rar?dl=0
Glad to see more ROMs for our devices come up, but I won't go back to a non-FUSE ROM. I'm currently running the booroondook ROM and love it. I tried the latest Malaysk ROM, but went back to booroondook after 2 days for different reasons.
Nice to see another ROM on the scene, it is a shame that we do not get the variety that phones get, I too am using booroondook and Malaysk ROM's, but as soon as someone makes a rom that TomTom can work on I will jump ship.
I found that the booroondook rom still had to much stuff added, I don't really see the point in adding a bunch of additional apks or options when they are simple enough to download and change. Plus I don't think weather works on any of those other ones out of the box. FUSE is nice but I think 3GB is more than enough and still leaves plenty of room on the NAND for media files, etc.