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Hey guys, sorry to bother everyone with another question about the update but there are a few things I could really use clarification on if it's not too much trouble.'
I'm currently on 1.57, gingerbreak rooted, gladi ROM and sbf flashed the hsupa radio. I can't really find anything about what's done in the update so i can't even tell if it'd be worth it for me to update. Will anything happen if I don't update? I didn't have any problems with my iphone when I skipped over 3 or 4 updates...just want to make sure nothing bad will happen.
Next, if I do want to update (which I don't think I will because I'm reading that a lot of people have been having problems with some things) if there a program I can use to save all of my rooted features and re-apply them after I've updated? I read about beforeupdate and afterupdate but I can't find any information about what they do and if they'll do what I'm looking for.
I'm thinking that with this update being buggy, moto will have to roll out another update pretty soon and maybe I should just wait for that one.
Here you go: Release Notes from Motorola
I accepted the update like 30 hours ago, retained root - No problems or issues here! Everything seems to be working fine.
You can use Titanium Backup to backup your user apps, I would recommend NEVER BACKUP/RESTORE SYSTEM APPS because you can get a lot of force closes and stuff.. Thats happened to me in the past.
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If you have the time and the patience, go back to 1.26 and OTA update to 1.83. The majority of the problems your reading about are from phones that are modded and have been altered and then updated. I had similar issues with my phone after the update, much like the others your reading about. Not staying up to date on official updates could leave you in the dark if a new update comes out and you find yourself stuck with a phone that cant be updated (easily). The 1.87 radio works but made my Atrix hot and chewed up battery. Im not saying its going to make a difference for you, With titanium backup and gingerbreak available now, its easy peasy to root and bring your phone back to your liking very quickly.
Beforeupdate and Afterupdate are used to retain root across upgrades. Gingerbreak is easier(click click, launch= rooted)
WiredPirate said:
I accepted the update like 30 hours ago, retained root - No problems or issues here! Everything seems to be working fine.
You can use Titanium Backup to backup your user apps, I would recommend NEVER BACKUP/RESTORE SYSTEM APPS because you can get a lot of force closes and stuff.. Thats happened to me in the past.
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so you're saying you updated without flashing back or anything (without changing ANY settings) and you retained everything?
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so you're saying you updated without flashing back or anything (without changing ANY settings) and you retained everything?
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That is correct. I was on 1.57 rooted w/ GladRoot, NO MODS. I accepted the update, ran "afterupdate" from the GladRoot .zip. Now I'm on rooted and on 1.83.
EDIT: You cannot use this method btw since you have modded. You have to sbf first.
Dirtburgler said:
If you have the time and the patience, go back to 1.26 and OTA update to 1.83. The majority of the problems your reading about are from phones that are modded and have been altered and then updated. I had similar issues with my phone after the update, much like the others your reading about. Not staying up to date on official updates could leave you in the dark if a new update comes out and you find yourself stuck with a phone that cant be updated (easily). The 1.87 radio works but made my Atrix hot and chewed up battery. Im not saying its going to make a difference for you, With titanium backup and gingerbreak available now, its easy peasy to root and bring your phone back to your liking very quickly.
Beforeupdate and Afterupdate are used to retain root across upgrades. Gingerbreak is easier(click click, launch= rooted)
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Yeah i know I once I'm updated, I can root again but I've downloaded tons of apps and changed so many settings to get this phone to run exactly how I want. I've spent a good amount of time changing little things here and there and I don't want to lose all of it!
Is there away to retain all of this information through some kind of backup or something? I have all my apps and user data backed up with TiBackup. If I go back to 1.26 and then update to 1.83, can i restore using TiBackup?
im not too keen on titanium backup other than how to use it for the most part lol. The static phone settings will be defaulted to shipping state if you go back to 1.26. there may be a way to do what you are trying but that's out of my league. These is a setting in Titanium to transfer phone settings across Rom's but i've never tried nor have i seen it on the Atrix Forum. (I never really looked for it, didnt need it, so there may be a thread on it.)
The fact that you have Gladiatrix Rom throws a wrench into the whole easy update thing. Check This if you havent already----- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1063618
same here i have no problem
WiredPirate said:
That is correct. I was on 1.57 rooted w/ GladRoot, NO MODS. I accepted the update, ran "afterupdate" from the GladRoot .zip. Now I'm on rooted and on 1.83.
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Exactly what I did and everything is working fine. Ran afterupdate after the 1.83 OTA and things are working great~! everything retained
I just got a CLNR Rezound with the 1.xxx software--if I temp-root to debloat will the OTA still take, or will it fail? Is there a reason to want the 2.xxx software over the 1.xxx? I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm still trying to figure the Rezound out. Seems awesome, so far.
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I can confirm that I had removed QUITE a bit of bloat, but the OTA still self-installed on my phone. I was not temp rooted at that moment.
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I can confirm that I had removed QUITE a bit of bloat, but the OTA still self-installed on my phone. I was not temp rooted at that moment.
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Did it reinstall all the garbage? I'm basically just going to strip everything out.
Seems Ok
tekhna said:
Did it reinstall all the garbage? I'm basically just going to strip everything out.
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I don't recall 100% of what I removed, but I remember NFL something was one thing, and its still gone. So is VZW Navigator. Seems it did not reinstall those items; but I suspect if it was going to update something you removed, that would come back.
New bloat was installed (e.g., Verizon Location), per other threads.
Rezound OTA
I had used CleanTOOL to debloat and the OTA update would download ok but would not load. I tried it several times. I went back into CleanTOOL and rebloated, and the update loaded just fine the first time, though I had to wait overnight until I could download it again.
Now, of course, I can't temp boot and CleanTOOL no longer works. I hope this OTA update is worth it.
For me the OTA keeps downloading but it doesn't seem to want to install. I have frozen some of the bloated apps using the temp root method. This is the 2nd day in a row where I have caught the phone downloading the firmware update. I'm unsure what I can do to start it because it looks like it just retrys over and over without any success.
Why not just perma root? You can download cons otarom, completely debloat, dont have to worry about the turning off and having to re root? Heck, use TI and you can save all the bloat, and put them back on at anytime if you so desire.
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For me the OTA keeps downloading but it doesn't seem to want to install. I have frozen some of the bloated apps using the temp root method. This is the 2nd day in a row where I have caught the phone downloading the firmware update. I'm unsure what I can do to start it because it looks like it just retrys over and over without any success.
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You can do a factory reset and accept the OTA but iirc you cannot temp root again afterwards though, but I believe you can perm root afterwards. But while you are temp rooted you might want to back up your settings and apps with Titanium backup or MyBackup first.
Don't take my word on perm rooting though, search first if you want to perm root. But I believe that since you can unlock the bootloader you can perm root by flashing Amon Ra recovery then installing su with that, but the one-click perm root won't work any more.
I think I had used CleanTool as well, I love my Rezound and really wanted the bloat off. The update downloaded 3 times and then didn't install. I gave up and did the factory reset. Although I hate bloat, really I am happy with Sense and the way the phone itself functions so I didn't feel the need to do a full root.
Hey guys,
Alright, so I was on my stock rooted ROM and saw an OTA come in. I download and apply the update, but it freezes and stops the update. So I unrooted, and tried again. Still failed. So then I remember I didn't disable SafeStrap, and I go and re-root, disable SafeStrap, unroot again, and THEN try the update. Still failed.
I did delete some of the games that came with the phone (while unrooted; I didn't remove system files to my knowledge). What do you guys think the problem could be? I'd really like improved signal connectivity and eventually ICS. And Fastbooting didn't work for me the last time I used it for some reason (although I wasn't on stock ROM at the time - could that have done it?)
Thanks!
Edit: Tried factory reset, did NOT work. Looks like SBF/Fastboot is my only option. What happens if it doesn't work? I'm on stock and unrooted and everything. Maybe I just need to install the missing files? I think I only deleted thinks like NFL 12 and the similar games that were ALLOWED to be deleted. SO blown right now...ugh.
It probably was the bloatware you removed. Before the update came down, I fastbooted back to make sure there weren't any issues with the update. Several people have said that with bloatware removed, the update will fail.
How did you unroot? The only way I've done it is to fastboot it (just to be on the safe side).
I used some app called Ginger Unroot from the market. Surprisingly, it actually worked - SU operations (including SafeStrap apk tasks, SetCPU, etc) ceased function due to a lack of root. I almost feel like VZW could just reset the phone because it is TECHNICALLY not rooted and is still not accepting the OTA. Also, I have a Mac, so it's a hassle to have to borrow a friend's PC every week and try again. But I'll see. There's absolutely NO WAY to fastboot via a Mac, right?
(Also - would a factory reset put the missing apps back and allow, then, for an OTA?)
Thanks!
Things like Safestrap can prevent OTA update.
Safestrap changes the boot structure.
I removed SafeStrap though. Like, it is NO LONGER on my phone, either in bootup OR in apk form. So it shouldn't be affecting the process anymore, right?
Sorry for double post - I found a FastBoot utility for Mac that MIGHT work. Not 100% on it though, but everyone who's used it has indicated it has worked for them.
You say you are unrooted now. Have you rooted before? If so what modifications did you make?
After a very similar experience I finally an updating and it appears that the update hasn't failed. My two previous attempts failed after I unrooted (protected using OTA Rootkeeper), disable Safestrap, and reloaded my preinstall files. If you have ever used Safestrap or done anything to tamper with the preinstall files, webtop, or the bloat apps you will not be able to update.
See, that's my problem...I got rid of apps like the blockbuster app and Madden 12...you're telling me, essentially, that I'm screwed because VZW was stupid enough to make "vital" apps deletable? Also, I deleted those apps while non-rooted. How's that for ironic...
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You say you are unrooted now. Have you rooted before? If so what modifications did you make?
After a very similar experience I finally an updating and it appears that the update hasn't failed. My two previous attempts failed after I unrooted (protected using OTA Rootkeeper), disable Safestrap, and reloaded my preinstall files. If you have ever used Safestrap or done anything to tamper with the preinstall files, webtop, or the bloat apps you will not be able to update.
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How did you reload the pre install files? Where did you get the files?
I'm having same issue on xt926.
Thank you very much for the help!
Hello all,
Just had a quick question. I didn't know what search terms to use to get an accurate answer, since the search seems to pick up any and everything related to any of your search terms. I was wondering what exactly prevents an OTA update from taking. Is it the recovery that is installed? Is it having root? It's been a while since I have accepted an OTA for a device, outside of the Nexus on launch day. I have my Razr Maxx rooted, no custom rom. I tried a few of the ICS leaks but they were in safestrap, my non safe partition remains only rooted. When the OTA actually hits should I be able to accept it fine or will I need to go back to completely stock unrooted?
Things that prevent an OTA: ROMS, Bloatware frozen/uninstalled, custom recoveries (safestrap, bootstrap) so yes, when you want the OTA you'll need to fastboot back to complete stock for it to work. Root won't stop an OTA but OTA's generally break root.
You can try just uninstalling safestrap but I've read cases where just uninstalling it doesn't work and you need to fastboot back to stock.
everything wrong with motorola and Android has to do with idiot upper middle management execs having endless powerpoint presentations babbling corporate gibberish so they can make the next payment on their overpriced overlarge joke of a house and BMW. we are left to sort out the steaming pile of ****. i pray google has the sense to fire every last one of them and give their salaries and bonuses to the engineers!
Freezing bloatware has never prevented me from getting and OTA. Custom ROM and bloatware removal has/will.
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Freezing bloatware has never prevented me from getting and OTA. Custom ROM and bloatware removal has/will.
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What is the difference between freezing and removal, from a technical standpoint? I rooted my Razr using CASUAL and then installed Titanium Backup Pro and have been zapping the Verizon bloatware. I do want the stock ICS when it comes out. I guess I could reinstall the bloatware from backup and then freeze it rather than uninstalling. I don't care so much if the OTA doesn't install, I can troubleshoot that, but I don't want the OTA to brick my phone, that's the main concern.
The main reason I don't want the bloatware on there is that I don't want there to be any danger of clicking on anything that will make my monthly bill go up. Sometimes I let my girlfriend or other people use my Razr and if they manage to get a $10 monthly charge on my bill because they just had to see NFL Mobile or something similar, I'm gonna be pissed
I'm fairly sure it just changes the extension to .apk.bak, but I could be wrong
So, I have bloatware frozen, but none uninstalled. If ICS /is/ released on the 12th for the Verizon RAZR, I should be able to get it OTA?
Rooted, stock 2.3.6
bpingry said:
So, I have bloatware frozen, but none uninstalled. If ICS /is/ released on the 12th for the Verizon RAZR, I should be able to get it OTA?
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Yes, at worst case scenario: You might have to unfreeze everything, Install OTA RootKeeper, use OTA RootKeeper to a> Backup your root and B> Temporarily unroot your device.
On the last OTA that I received, I was not able to install the OTA until I ran the Temp Unroot from OTA RootKeeper, then the OTA went smoothly after that.
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Yes, at worst case scenario: You might have to unfreeze everything, Install OTA RootKeeper, use OTA RootKeeper to a> Backup your root and B> Temporarily unroot your device.
On the last OTA that I received, I was not able to install the OTA until I ran the Temp Unroot from OTA RootKeeper, then the OTA went smoothly after that.
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Apps in preinstall folder are required by OTAs those are the real bloats. Any other system modification will be verified too, like build.prop, init.d CWM and so on..
Remember an OTA update is an incremental update wich will check any required system piece, especially those I've mentioned.
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OK. So I have the pull down button mod. Will this get in the way? I've not removed any bloat or yet (was waiting for updates). All I have is pull down mod and root.
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OK. So I have the pull down button mod. Will this get in the way? I've not removed any bloat or yet (was waiting for updates). All I have is pull down mod and root.
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Yes, it's a system modification. You'll need to flash stock rom to flash an OTA update.
When installing an OTA you can press both volume buttons at the same time to to see dialog, and if anything fails you will have filename and directory of failed checks. And it won't auto reboot until you tell it too. I found the problem files for the ics leak from early April leak and was able to install without wiping.
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See I'm not fussed about wiping. Id quite happily have stock ICS and mod it from there. Looks like I'll be hacking some way or other to get the official anyhow as I'm on linux. Unless someone can point me to a UK suitable stock rom I can fast boot or add flash from linux. I have add setup if that helps. My system version is 167.26.
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cause they arent bronies, duh.
ExtraDan said:
cause they arent bronies, duh.
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Sorry, I don't understand.
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Sorry, I don't understand.
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I don't understand them either, just don't make a big deal about it
Thanks for all the replies. I don't have any bloatware frozen and no system mods done so I guess once the OTA hits, as long as safestrap uninstalled smoothly, I should be good to go. Ill check out ota root keeper here shortly.
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I apologize in advance if this has been answered or if I have inadvertently offended. I did watch the video and have developed OSes for 30 years. I also have searched all over this site and the web for resolution and am making no progress, so I'm asking the 'oracle'
Got an ATT S4 (I337) a week ago - it was running UCUAMDL. I rooted it using Motochopper and was happily using Titanium Pro etc. I get notified of OTA update. OTA update downloads (357MB) yet fails during install at 30% consistsently.
I figure it is unhappy with my root - I unrooted and cannot remember which way I did it - I seem to recall SuperSU I was using did not have the built-in 'unroot' support so I grabbed the stock image and used ODIN to flash it.I also may have manually uninstalled the 'normal' way the SU app - I suspect this may be my real problem.
After flashing stock ROM for UCUAMDL phone was no longer rooted, did not say custom etc, and took the OTA upgrade just fine. This was for UCUAMF3 which did add App 2 SD support - BTW this update used another 1G of storage compared to UCUAMDL, and I could not recover the 1G by moving apps either, making it virtually worthless as far as adding support for apps in SD, lol.
The problem is now I cannot seem to get the device rooted again. Motochopper fails when installing su.apk. I suspect I have screwed the pooch - what do I need to do to get this thing rooted again?
Is it typical for an OTA update to fail 'because' the device is rooted?
Any advice is much appreciated.
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I apologize in advance if this has been answered or if I have inadvertently offended. I did watch the video and have developed OSes for 30 years. I also have searched all over this site and the web for resolution and am making no progress, so I'm asking the 'oracle'
Got an ATT S4 (I337) a week ago - it was running UCUAMDL. I rooted it using Motochopper and was happily using Titanium Pro etc. I get notified of OTA update. OTA update downloads (357MB) yet fails during install at 30% consistsently.
I figure it is unhappy with my root - I unrooted and cannot remember which way I did it - I seem to recall SuperSU I was using did not have the built-in 'unroot' support so I grabbed the stock image and used ODIN to flash it.I also may have manually uninstalled the 'normal' way the SU app - I suspect this may be my real problem.
After flashing stock ROM for UCUAMDL phone was no longer rooted, did not say custom etc, and took the OTA upgrade just fine. This was for UCUAMF3 which did add App 2 SD support - BTW this update used another 1G of storage compared to UCUAMDL, and I could not recover the 1G by moving apps either, making it virtually worthless as far as adding support for apps in SD, lol.
The problem is now I cannot seem to get the device rooted again. Motochopper fails when installing su.apk. I suspect I have screwed the pooch - what do I need to do to get this thing rooted again?
Is it typical for an OTA update to fail 'because' the device is rooted?
Any advice is much appreciated.
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I do believe it's because of the latest OTA update. I know the OTA for Verizon patched our bootloader hack that we previously had and I think the same may have happened for AT&T. You might want to check through the AT&T forums section as you have an AT&T S4 and this is the Verizon section. Hope you find what your looking for!
TheKog said:
Any advice is much appreciated.
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I'd begin with posting in the forum applicable to your device. That being said, in about sure at&t's update was on par with ours
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