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Ok about a month ago, I wanted to switch from T-Mobile because the rural coverage was pretty garbage. Edge speed was so slow, it would not load a single page.
I walked into the AT&T store with my unlocked HTC One, and wanted to sign up for service. At first they were cool with it, and then the balked... "If you trade in this phone and pay an additional $26, you can have the black one which is guaranteed to work on this network". Now, I was ANIMATE at the time about not signing a 2 year contract. I brought my own phone, so there was NO REASON to sign up. At no point did he indicate that I was required to sign up for a 2 year contract to receive this black phone, when I just traded in the exact same phone in perfect condition which was only 2 weeks old.
After I got my first bill, I was on the website checking out my features. It says I am eligible for upgrade in 2015... meaning, I am on a 2 year agreement. I did NOT want to be on any agreement like this, so I need to know what my options are.
Thanks.
EDIT/UPDATE: This was an authorized dealer, not an AT&T corporate store. I honestly did not know they were different - they look exactly the same. Either way, I got a refund, and was allowed to keep the phone even though I canceled service immediately. I went back to T-Mobile as they were always pretty awesome (just the coverage in rural areas is still going to burn).
Have you called anyone at AT&T to verify your suspicion?
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Ok about a month ago, I wanted to switch from T-Mobile because the rural coverage was pretty garbage. Edge speed was so slow, it would not load a single page.
I walked into the AT&T store with my unlocked HTC One, and wanted to sign up for service. At first they were cool with it, and then the balked... "If you trade in this phone and pay an additional $26, you can have the black one which is guaranteed to work on this network". Now, I was ANIMATE at the time about not signing a 2 year contract. I brought my own phone, so there was NO REASON to sign up. At no point did he indicate that I was required to sign up for a 2 year contract to receive this black phone, when I just traded in the exact same phone in perfect condition which was only 2 weeks old.
After I got my first bill, I was on the website checking out my features. It says I am eligible for upgrade in 2015... meaning, I am on a 2 year agreement. I did NOT want to be on any agreement like this, so I need to know what my options are.
Thanks.
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Yea, you got taken to the cleaners on that one.
Your only option of getting out of the contract is to return the device and cancel service before the trial period ends. That means porting out to save your number if you came from T-Mobile with the line.
As far as getting your old device back... well, good luck:cyclops:
Was it unethical by AT&T, yes.
However, you were a bit gullible there, the portion of trading in your phone was a HUGE red flag:silly:
You never get an AT&T device subsidized without ending up in contract, period.
The point made about even exchange is simply mute.. When taking advantage of the trade in, you only get trade in value, not the $600+ MSRP. And the trade in value 'may' have cancelled out the AT&T branded device, however, you still got taken to the cleaners on this deal.
The sales people in stores get paid by signing up people to contracts. I don't think it was At&t as a whole that screwed you but that particular salesperson F'd you good to get paid.
Just check your paperwork and make sure you didn't sign anything showing a contract. Your best bet is to raise holy hell in the store with the manager and single out this salesperson. If that doesn't work move on to corporate. Good luck.
You didn't get swindled. If they gave you a device at a subsidized priced (which they did) you physically signed a 2 yr agreement. Did you not read what you signed?
I can't say I feel bad for you at all. Common sense.
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You didn't get swindled. If they gave you a device at a
The only thing I signed was a touchpad thing asking permission to port my number. The guy said they waved my activation fee because I brought my own phone.
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Now you say you were animate about bot signing up for a contract. Does that mean you informed the sales rep that you weren't interested in a contract? If so then yes, the sales rep screwed you hard for not explaining that you would be entering a 2 year agreement if you traded for the black one.
However, you should have asked more questions about the deal to get a better understanding. But it does sound like the guy was trying to get you on a contract without you knowing, seeing that he tricked you into it by offering a simple color change.
If this was less than 14 days ago go into the store and raise hell on earth, you will garuanteed be able to return the phone. As for getting your old phone back, I'm sure you signed something about it saying all trade ins are final. If it's been over 14 days....good luck. Trying to return a phone after that to AT&T is near impossible..good luck!
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Jeez , at worst you could have sold your tmobile one for like $450 and bought the black one on contract for $199 like normal.
ATT def screwed you on this one.
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Ok about a month ago, I wanted to switch from T-Mobile because the rural coverage was pretty garbage. Edge speed was so slow, it would not load a single page.
I walked into the AT&T store with my unlocked HTC One, and wanted to sign up for service. At first they were cool with it, and then the balked... "If you trade in this phone and pay an additional $26, you can have the black one which is guaranteed to work on this network". Now, I was ADAMANT at the time about not signing a 2 year contract. I brought my own phone, so there was NO REASON to sign up. At no point did he indicate that I was required to sign up for a 2 year contract to receive this black phone, when I just traded in the exact same phone in perfect condition which was only 2 weeks old.
After I got my first bill, I was on the website checking out my features. It says I am eligible for upgrade in 2015... meaning, I am on a 2 year agreement. I did NOT want to be on any agreement like this, so I need to know what my options are.
Thanks.
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CraigP17 said:
You didn't get swindled. If they gave you a device at a subsidized priced (which they did) you physically signed a 2 yr agreement. Did you not read what you signed?
I can't say I feel bad for you at all. Common sense.
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This! You messed up... Just think. Why would they do that?
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The Project said:
This! You messed up... Just think. Why would they do that?
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The AT&T store admitted guilt to me, however, they said they could do nothing since I am past the 14 day return policy. Basically the guy had me sign a 2 year contract while masking it as a phone SWAP and not a subsidy purchase.
So ya, to the above posters - AT&T was at fault. The credited my account with the value of the phone, minus the 2 year agreement price.
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This! You messed up... Just think. Why would they do that?
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Why would THEY do that?! You serious? The lady on the phone at AT&T said this was not a corporate store, and they were commission hungry. Case closed.
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Why would THEY do that?! You serious? The lady on the phone at AT&T said this was not a corporate store, and they were commission hungry. Case closed.
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Everybody knows that when you receive a device at a lower price = conract. You do understand that the contract is what gets them their money back that they lost on the phone.
Do you honestly think they would stay in business if they did what they did for OP every time?
OP ya blew it, don't go blaming that sales rep. He knows he is right, and if you have ever worked in customer service you know that arguing with the customer is a waste of time.
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The Project said:
Everybody knows that when you receive a device at a lower price = conract. You do understand that the contract is what gets them their money back that they lost on the phone.
Do you honestly think they would stay in business if they did what they did for OP every time?
OP ya blew it, don't go blaming that sales rep. He knows he is right, and if you have ever worked in customer service you know that arguing with the customer is a waste of time.
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I won't go blaming the sales rep who was fired for doing this to multiple customers in the last 2 months. Gotcha. Ok buddy You know everything. He was masking a 2 years subsidy with a phone swap, claiming the phones wouldnt work on AT&T. When a sales rep says its a swap and would not require a 2 year contract, you tend to believe him. The phones worked fine on AT&T, and he was just cashing commission checks at the expense of the customers. A few people figured it out in the 14 day return period, but I did not think to look at my bill.
So basically you are wrong
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I won't go blaming the sales rep who was fired for doing this to multiple customers in the last 2 months. Gotcha. Ok buddy You know everything. He was masking a 2 years subsidy with a phone swap, claiming the phones wouldnt work on AT&T. When a sales rep says its a swap and would not require a 2 year contract, you tend to believe him. The phones worked fine on AT&T, and he was just cashing commission checks at the expense of the customers. A few people figured it out in the 14 day return period, but I did not think to look at my bill.
So basically you are wrong
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You are assuming he was fired. You think he did something wrong, he really didn't. They just want you to feel like a big boy that didn't get tricked bye
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psufan5 said:
The AT&T store admitted guilt to me, however, they said they could do nothing since I am past the 14 day return policy. Basically the guy had me sign a 2 year contract while masking it as a phone SWAP and not a subsidy purchase.
So ya, to the above posters - AT&T was at fault. The credited my account with the value of the phone, minus the 2 year agreement price.
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Are you saying that even after them admitting guilt, you still ended up with a 2 year contract?
There's a sucker born every minute. OP deserves what he got.
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There's a sucker born every minute. OP deserves what he got.
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Deserved what I got? Are you retarded?!
psufan5 said:
Deserved what I got? Are you retarded?!
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Hell no you don't. A phone swap pretty much implies he shouldn't be getting a contract. Why would someone think "oh if I give them my phone for a phone gaurenteed to work on this network, esentially buying it at full price, it's a contract?" Some people here need to not be such jerks about this.
OP, I'm glad they credited your account and you got it sorted out. Good for you
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Hell no you don't. A phone swap pretty much implies he shouldn't be getting a contract. Why would someone think "oh if I give them my phone for a phone gaurenteed to work on this network, esentially buying it at full price, it's a contract?" Some people here need to not be such jerks about this.
OP, I'm glad they credited your account and you got it sorted out. Good for you
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Pro-tip: OP might be lying
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Has anyone else noticed that AT&T has this phone listed as $440, if purchased off contract, but if you purchase via AT&T Next, it can be had for $340 and you get to pay over 20 months with no interest?
Seems like anyone who is paying for AT&T insurance, with its $200 deductible, should cancel immediately.
dbgeek said:
Has anyone else noticed that AT&T has this phone listed as $440, if purchased off contract, but if you purchase via AT&T Next, it can be had for $340 and you get to pay over 20 months with no interest?
Seems like anyone who is paying for AT&T insurance, with its $200 deductible, should cancel immediately.
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Read this article http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/16/4528404/att-next-phone-upgrade-plans-a-huge-ripoff . But to break it down AT&T next just rips you off. You are better off paying full price for the phone. This is what I do, I take a subsidized phone one year than the next year buy off contract. In the end if you do the math it is more economical to use this approach. You should remember when you sign an AT&T contract they assume that you bought a premium smart phone and the subsidy is already built into your account. If you do not upgrade your phone every two years your paying extra, hence why some people like the t-mobile model because it separates the phone cost from the bill. This makes their business practices more transparent, not necessarily better.
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Read this article http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/16/4528404/att-next-phone-upgrade-plans-a-huge-ripoff . But to break it down AT&T next just rips you off. You are better off paying full price for the phone. This is what I do, I take a subsidized phone one year than the next year buy off contract. In the end if you do the math it is more economical to use this approach. You should remember when you sign an AT&T contract they assume that you bought a premium smart phone and the subsidy is already built into your account. If you do not upgrade your phone every two years your paying extra, hence why some people like the t-mobile model because it separates the phone cost from the bill. This makes their business practices more transparent, not necessarily better.
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Don't even need to read that article to know that AT&T Next is a rip off, for almost every phone offered. The $100 gap in pricing between list price and making the 20 payments (or you can just pay $340 up front), makes the LGOG a different issue all together. If you are paying $10/mth for AT&T insurance, which has a $200 deductible, at $14 months, you hit break even, between buying a new LGOG or getting a refurb replacement under the warranty plan. In this one case, it would be a financially sound idea, to simply plan to buy the LGOG for $340, instead of doing the warranty (if you damage your phone). Note that the price makes it cheaper than the 16GB N4, also (and you get LTE and a removable/upgrade able simcard).
I totally agree att next is a rip off
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pcexpress said:
I totally agree att next is a rip off
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It's worse than I anticipated. I checked with and AT&T rep (was considering buying a new phone for my daughter) and was told that I couldn't buy via AT&T Next because I didn't have an available upgrade. I asked about contract renewal and was told that each purchase via the plan required a renewed 2 yr agreement. No where in the on line documentation does it state that you must have an available upgrade, for the initial purchase and you must renew your 2 yr commitment, for each upgrade (it's clearly stated in the regular upgrade info). The rep just said "it's in there somewhere".
Actually ditched my LG OG today and signed up for AT&T Next (opened a line on my family plan). Picked up the HTC One, and couldn't be happier. Currently converting it to the Google Play Dev. Edition (international).
Can't wait to have a real solid stable Nexus-equivalent ROM on a beautiful piece of hardware. I was just beginning to love the OG too, but I was forced to stay with stock ROM due to how many phone calls (30+) I receive/make daily for work. The lurking modem issues on ROM's other than stock just made it super impractical.
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Actually ditched my LG OG today and signed up for AT&T Next (opened a line on my family plan). Picked up the HTC One, and couldn't be happier. Currently converting it to the Google Play Dev. Edition (international).
Can't wait to have a real solid stable Nexus-equivalent ROM on a beautiful piece of hardware. I was just beginning to love the OG too, but I was forced to stay with stock ROM due to how many phone calls (30+) I receive/make daily for work. The lurking modem issues on ROM's other than stock just made it super impractical.
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Most realistic post yet. I love ROMs too but i keep going back to stock as well, nothing like not having to worry about your phone randomly rebooting.
Due for an upgrade. Looking at the G2 and Note 3 when my local ATT store has it stocked! ampeeeddd
Hello all, just a quick question for those who have done this, or are thinking about doing this.
[If this is in the wrong forum, please let me know!]
So I have 5 lines on Verizon and 2 of them are due for an upgrade. I want to:
1. Use the upgrades and get 2 new iPhone 5S handsets (extends contracts for those 2 lines for 2 more years)
2. Activate and deactivate them
3. Reactivate the 2 old phones
4. Sell the brand new iPhones on ebay/craiglist (so I'd be paying around $200/phone and selling for around $550/phone
5. Go to T-Mo and have them pay the ETFs for all lines (thus canceling the contracts with Verizon
5. Use the cash from the iPhone sales to purchase 2 Nexus 5 handsets instead (and therefore keeping a little money for myself
6.???
7. Profit!!
Is this possible? Has anyone done this?
I know that it is possible to sell upgrades; people do it all the time. They get subsidized phones for cheap and deactivate them so they can reactivate their old lines for another 2 years, and they sell the brand new phones for their market value. Because as far as I can tell, Verizon doesn't give a crap as long as they have you tied in for another 2 years (which I will be bypassing by switching to T-Mobile).
Yes, the 2 lines that are due for an upgrade are old dumbphones that are around 3 years old. I asked a T-Mobile rep and she told me that those phones are eligible to be traded in so long as they are in contract (she looked them up in the system).
Thanks in advance!
HashtagNoFilter said:
Hello all, just a quick question for those who have done this, or are thinking about doing this.
[If this is in the wrong forum, please let me know!]
So I have 5 lines on Verizon and 2 of them are due for an upgrade. I want to:
1. Use the upgrades and get 2 new iPhone 5S handsets (extends contracts for those 2 lines for 2 more years)
2. Activate and deactivate them
3. Reactivate the 2 old phones
4. Sell the brand new iPhones on ebay/craiglist (so I'd be paying around $200/phone and selling for around $550/phone
5. Go to T-Mo and have them pay the ETFs for all lines (thus canceling the contracts with Verizon
5. Use the cash from the iPhone sales to purchase 2 Nexus 5 handsets instead (and therefore keeping a little money for myself
6.???
7. Profit!!
Is this possible? Has anyone done this?
I know that it is possible to sell upgrades; people do it all the time. They get subsidized phones for cheap and deactivate them so they can reactivate their old lines for another 2 years, and they sell the brand new phones for their market value. Because as far as I can tell, Verizon doesn't give a crap as long as they have you tied in for another 2 years (which I will be bypassing by switching to T-Mobile).
Yes, the 2 lines that are due for an upgrade are old dumbphones that are around 3 years old. I asked a T-Mobile rep and she told me that those phones are eligible to be traded in so long as they are in contract (she looked them up in the system).
Thanks in advance!
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seems like it should work, but also seems like a nightmare haha good luck
HashtagNoFilter said:
Hello all, just a quick question for those who have done this, or are thinking about doing this.
[If this is in the wrong forum, please let me know!]
So I have 5 lines on Verizon and 2 of them are due for an upgrade. I want to:
1. Use the upgrades and get 2 new iPhone 5S handsets (extends contracts for those 2 lines for 2 more years)
2. Activate and deactivate them
3. Reactivate the 2 old phones
4. Sell the brand new iPhones on ebay/craiglist (so I'd be paying around $200/phone and selling for around $550/phone
5. Go to T-Mo and have them pay the ETFs for all lines (thus canceling the contracts with Verizon
5. Use the cash from the iPhone sales to purchase 2 Nexus 5 handsets instead (and therefore keeping a little money for myself
6.???
7. Profit!!
Is this possible? Has anyone done this?
I know that it is possible to sell upgrades; people do it all the time. They get subsidized phones for cheap and deactivate them so they can reactivate their old lines for another 2 years, and they sell the brand new phones for their market value. Because as far as I can tell, Verizon doesn't give a crap as long as they have you tied in for another 2 years (which I will be bypassing by switching to T-Mobile).
Yes, the 2 lines that are due for an upgrade are old dumbphones that are around 3 years old. I asked a T-Mobile rep and she told me that those phones are eligible to be traded in so long as they are in contract (she looked them up in the system).
Thanks in advance!
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YOU SIR ARE BRILLIANT!!
Keep us posted with how this works!
Just be careful, I heard that if you cancel your contract before it's up they will ask for the phone back, I could be completely wrong but I wouldn't want you getting screwed when verizon asks for $1000 worth of phones back.
part of the TMobile etf thing is you buy your TMo phones thru TMo
OneArm said:
part of the TMobile etf thing is you buy your TMo phones thru TMo
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Yep. As stated in the OP, I would be trading in those 2 dumbphones. The T-Mo lady told me that those specific models are perfectly eligible to be traded in (they are in the T-Mo database). However, they would give me $0 credit for trading in the dumbphones and getting a new phone from T-Mobile. That wouldn't really matter since I would be using the money from the sale to put a down payment!
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Just be careful, I heard that if you cancel your contract before it's up they will ask for the phone back, I could be completely wrong but I wouldn't want you getting screwed when verizon asks for $1000 worth of phones back.
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That's the thing---what's to stop me from telling them a lie they can't prove is wrong? I can totally just tell them "So yeah, I totally loved this iPhone. Too bad it fell into the snow yesterday and completely died, it sucks. Welp, guess I just have to reactivate my old phones I use to have a couple days ago!"
I mean what if my phone really did fall into some snow/water and died...
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Yep. As stated in the OP, I would be trading in those 2 dumbphones. The T-Mo lady told me that those specific models are perfectly eligible to be traded in (they are in the T-Mo database). However, they would give me $0 credit for trading in the dumbphones and getting a new phone from T-Mobile. That wouldn't really matter since I would be using the money from the sale to put a down payment!
That's the thing---what's to stop me from telling them a lie they can't prove is wrong? I can totally just tell them "So yeah, I totally loved this iPhone. Too bad it fell into the snow yesterday and completely died, it sucks. Welp, guess I just have to reactivate my old phones I use to have a couple days ago!"
I mean what if my phone really did fall into some snow/water and died...
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Could they then blacklist the phones?
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Could they then blacklist the phones?
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I mean I'm not sure it really matters. I can activate the old phones online on the MyVerizon website. People sell their upgrades all the time. The part I'm mainly concerned with is if this Verizon will actually do anything if I renew my contract and then leave like a week later lol.
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I mean I'm not sure it really matters. I can activate the old phones online on the MyVerizon website. People sell their upgrades all the time. The part I'm mainly concerned with is if this Verizon will actually do anything if I renew my contract and then leave like a week later lol.
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As long as the ETF is paid I don't think there's anything they can do.
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Just be careful, I heard that if you cancel your contract before it's up they will ask for the phone back, I could be completely wrong but I wouldn't want you getting screwed when verizon asks for $1000 worth of phones back.
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That's what the etf is for, to pay for the phone.
UPDATES!
1. Used both upgrades to purchase 2 Gold iPhone 5S handsets at $150 each (plus shipping and taxes = $176). Total investment so far: $352
2. Activated them online using the IMEI.
**NOTE** I called Verizon multiple times to confirm if it was possible to activate them WITHOUT opening the box. They told me this was possible, but when I tried to do it, they ended up saying it wasn't possible, and that I HAD to dial *228 in order to finish the activation.
3. Put ad on Craigslist. Phone goes off every 5 minutes until some dude offers me $600 for each. I told him they were sealed, but that I had to open them and activate them. He said he would pay me the same so long as I opened them in front of him to confirm they were sealed!
4. Met dude, deactivated iPhones, reactivated old phones. Profit: $1200 - $352 = $848.
5. Found used iPhone 4S on Craigslist for $150. Deactivated my GS4 and activated the iPhone. Total thus far: $848 - $150 = $698
6. Sold GS4 the next day for $380. Total thus far: $698 + $380 = $1078.
7. Walked into T-Mobile, and switched!
8. GS3 for my dad, Nokia Lumia 521 for my mom, two Nexus 5 handsets for me and my brother (OMG SO MANY ROMSSS!!!), and a Galaxy Light for my little bro (he doesn't get a legit smartphone until he's in college next year lol)
9. Made a down payment of $500 for the phones in order to decrease the bill. And I still have a $21 credit on the bill after all the trade ins!
Previous Verizon bill: $250.82 with 2 smartphones and 3 dumbphones.
New T-Mobile bill: $183 for 5 smartphones.
Equivalent Verizon bill: $250.81 + $90 ($30 x 3 for adding 3 smartphones @ 2GB/month) = $340.81
10. ???
11. PROFIT!
I have had my phone for a couple of days now, and the speed is great. I get LTE in all the areas I got LTE with Verizon, and the speeds are about the same, if not better.
If you have any questions, let me know and I will try my best to answer you! Thanks
I love my LG G3. Love that I have it rooted with custom ROM. It is being kept alive because of this. I recently looked into upgrading (I am with Sprint) and looking at newer models of phones, but I am finding that there are no root solutions/ unlocking bootloaders for the newer models. Now I know all the international phones have some way to root them, but I live in the US and use Sprint. Does anyone think that rooting may become a thing of the past? I read that it is getting way more difficult to root. What does everyone else think?
Get a Nexus. I had the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 5 then figured I'd give the LG G3 a try and am disappointed. All I do is end up flashing an AOSP ROM anyway.
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How do the newer Nexus phones work with Sprint? Are there specific models you need to get to work with Sprint? Does Sprint WiFi calling work with them?
Currently under family contract with Sprint, so keep buying phones under contract since we are paying for it anyway. I think that is going away even for those of us grandfathered in with older contracts. I will definitely consider Nexus to replace my G3 if I can't get cheap G5 or HTC 10 when I go in.
Best Buy has the G5 for $1 with a 2-year extension. Sale ended, disregard. The same drama surrounding root and BL unlock as we went through with the G3 launch is currently playing out again with people offering bounties and getting in fights and taking their balls and going home. Gave me a lot of bad flashbacks. There are partial methods that have been released and then recalled, for valid reasons, but there are lots of jerks that are trying to bait the devs into releasing something... It's a clusterjam.
The HTC 10 is already BL unlocked via Sunshine (paid app) and if it wasn't $200 I'd already have one. If the G5 gets rooted and I can still get it for $1 I'll go that way. Now that it's back up to $149 I see no benefit to the G5. I got one for my wife and it's nice but if there's no public root method by the time I'm shopping I won't give it a second glance. I know this is off-topic, so sorry.
Rooting is a whole new game now with MM and the encryption on different partitions, and phone makers are less likely to make easy BL unlocks now that Android Pay is a thing.
So, rooting is not necessarily ending, but custom ROMs and recoveries (requires BL unlock) are more likely to fall by the wayside. Time will tell. It's a tenuous game with devs on edge, lay users demanding immediate results, and tempers and egos running hot on all sides. Maybe Pangu will open an Android division and shift the conversation.
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Best Buy has the G5 for $1 with a 2-year extension. Sale ended, disregard. The same drama surrounding root and BL unlock as we went through with the G3 launch is currently playing out again with people offering bounties and getting in fights and taking their balls and going home. Gave me a lot of bad flashbacks. There are partial methods that have been released and then recalled, for valid reasons, but there are lots of jerks that are trying to bait the devs into releasing something... It's a clusterjam.
The HTC 10 is already BL unlocked via Sunshine (paid app) and if it wasn't $200 I'd already have one. If the G5 gets rooted and I can still get it for $1 I'll go that way. Now that it's back up to $149 I see no benefit to the G5. I got one for my wife and it's nice but if there's no public root method by the time I'm shopping I won't give it a second glance. I know this is off-topic, so sorry.
Rooting is a whole new game now with MM and the encryption on different partitions, and phone makers are less likely to make easy BL unlocks now that Android Pay is a thing.
So, rooting is not necessarily ending, but custom ROMs and recoveries (requires BL unlock) are more likely to fall by the wayside. Time will tell. It's a tenuous game with devs on edge, lay users demanding immediate results, and tempers and egos running hot on all sides. Maybe Pangu will open an Android division and shift the conversation.
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Would the HTC 10 work with sprint?
texasjmzmd said:
Would the HTC 10 work with sprint?
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Yes, if you get a Sprint variant. They're $199 w/ 2-year extension. Hoping a deal pops up sometime to cover low sales like that last one for the G5 did at BB. Unlocked phone should also work.
SilverZero said:
Yes, if you get a Sprint variant. They're $199 w/ 2-year extension. Hoping a deal pops up sometime to cover low sales like that last one for the G5 did at BB. Unlocked phone should also work.
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I've been a customer since 1993 with sprint, and I am NOT eligible for the "$199 w/ 2-year extension." Nice....
texasjmzmd said:
I've been a customer since 1993 with sprint, and I am NOT eligible for the "$199 w/ 2-year extension." Nice....
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Why not? I thought that was always an option unless you were not through your last 2-year extension. But I also know they do crazy things with customers, even long-term.
i'm hoping Sprint give Boost better phones .-. till then i'm staying with my G3
That's a bummer!
I hear it's just phones bought from Best Buy
iamnotexisting said:
I hear it's just phones bought from Best Buy
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According to this article (and others I have read), it isn't just on ones bought from Best Buy. It is "even" if you got it from BB, but also on ones from the Verizon stores. Looks like the unlock requires putting an active Verizon SIM in the device for anywhere from a couple of hours to overnight. If you don't care about unlocking the bootloader (or are willing to wait on an exploit that may never come), then this is bad news indeed if you want to be on a different carrier immediately. Bottom line, buy it from the Google Store and pay the premium or deal with big red's nonsense.
https://www.androidauthority.com/verizon-pixel-3-sim-locked-915857/
This might be an anti theft precaution. Here in Canada, phone must be sold unlock. The big three, due to these theft problems, ship all phones locked, then unlock them when sold.
https://www.droid-life.com/2018/10/19/verizon-stops-sim-locking-pixel-3-and-3-xl-for-now/
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This is why the last phone I purchased directly from VZW was the first Pixel XL. We got lucky and found an exploit. From that time forward, I refuse to by any VZW sold phones. I got my 2XL and 3XL direct from Google. They offer the same free 2 year interest free payments so to me, there is zero upside to buying a phone direct from VZW unless you plan to leave it totally stock.