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Hi guys,
Have had my Hero just over a month now and love the thing to bits...
The one thing (battery life aside) that pees me off though is that the phone can be slow at times...
It seems to stem from apps either opening themselves and running in the background, or not closing properly when I select to close them.
I seem to spend half my time using the phone in TaskKiller getting rid of everything that shouldn't be running before I can do anything.
Has anyone got any smart ideas on how I can improve the problems above?
I've also noticed when I switch the phone off and back on a) it improves things slightly, but b) it also runs lots of things that I don't need open so is there a way to stop things running on start up?
Thanks for the help guys.
To show you what I mean, I just restarted the phone and killed everything except:
WaveSecure Beta
com.google.android.apps.mapssomething that goes off the screen) - can't kill this
HTC Sense
Touch Input
com.htc.provider
Go back to it 10 minutes later and I also have the following open:
Settings
vizBattery
Wi-Fi Status
Google Mail
Thats without me touching it at all.... if I had also used the Twitter app, Facebook, messaging etc then they would all still be open, the browser and music player would probably be there too.
It's normal fo it to start some apps on its own, for example peep (htc's twitter program) the music player (only if you have a widget on one of the homescreens)
same goes for calander etc etc google mail is push so it has to be opened to recieve messaged realtime.
Things like batterystatus thingy's often drain your battery and sometimes slow down your device I suggest removing that.
Also I don't know about wifi status but can imagine that draining battery to since
I don't think that will be running without your wifi being on. When continuosly searching for networks your device also will slow down, and drain the battery
My english isn't perfect so I hope you understand what I'm saying.
edit: do you use the official t-mobile rom or a custom? Don't know if htc released the last update for t-mob devices. That update really improved almost everything
so if you don't have that it's ''normal'' for the device to lag.
Some apps register themselves to start automatically. Obviously Gmail needs to run if you're syncing a Gmail account.
There's at least one app (paid) that can override this - I believe it is called Startup Auditor.
However, for the most part, it doesn't really matter since many of the apps that appear to be "running" will not be consuming any CPU time (and by extension battery life) unless they are designed to run in the background.
In addition, as Stafflover has already said, I'd also suggest you try removing vizBattery - whilst I've no specific experience with this app, I've heard that many battery status widgets drain the battery significantly.
Regards,
Dave
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There's at least one app (paid) that can override this - I believe it is called Startup Auditor.
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AutoStarts does the same job, also paid. using it for weeks, works great.
programs starting up
gk141054 said:
Hi guys,
Have had my Hero just over a month now and love the thing to bits...
The one thing (battery life aside) that pees me off though is that the phone can be slow at times...
It seems to stem from apps either opening themselves and running in the background, or not closing properly when I select to close them.
I seem to spend half my time using the phone in TaskKiller getting rid of everything that shouldn't be running before I can do anything.
Has anyone got any smart ideas on how I can improve the problems above?
I've also noticed when I switch the phone off and back on a) it improves things slightly, but b) it also runs lots of things that I don't need open so is there a way to stop things running on start up?
Thanks for the help guys.
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Hey Pal! I had the same problem then I got into a bit of app development and understood. Some service need to be "broadcasting" and some other to be "listening". Best you can do is sometimes tell them how often to "wake up and check". But if you think about it, a program MUST be checking on a few things, at least sometimes, to give you the "android experience". Also, no matter how much you care about that number you see in the "free ram" widget (assunming you use taskiller with the widget), it is not very important until it REALLY does slow your phone down. Some apps are worse than others at clogging up or draining your battery: try them, weigh how useful they really are for you and then decide what to keep (running) Ciao!
I have been running CyanogenMod 10 Alpha 2 by dragonzkiller for a couple of days now and can say...my phone has never been better! As is expected there were some hiccups, but overall this thing rides smooth! What does everyone else think about it and what has been their experiences?
Here is what I've found so far
Not working:
Facebook
Dolphin Browser
SMS does not show text in field, and notifications do not show.
My workarounds:
Opera browser has so far worked flawlessly.
Friendcaster works fine in place of FB.
Combination of Handcent SMS and SMS popups as workaround to native SMS issue.
Weird things yet to be worked out or around:
File explorers (so far ES and File Expert) randomly will not delete or rename files.
And again, this ROM is great (thank you dragonzkiller!). Too bad providers didn't push for Jelly Bean on these models because I think it works the best so far. Older in the cycle, so I understand. I still have about of week of testing before I praise it any further, but so far I am mega happy. I can say this having tried various other ROMS throughout the year or so I've owned this phone, and of those I am coming from what I consider a rock stable ROM, Liberty3.
Introduction:
I have been using CM10 for a month and a half now. My review is based on the standard of an every day driver. I understand that Dragonzkiller is the only developer for this ROM and basically for DX2 (as far as I know) but I use my phone with the intention of USING it. With this in mind, I've been struggling with the idea of reverting back to the stock OS or some other rom because of some key issues I have with the current alpha release.
Pros:
Status Bar brightness control: Although you have to disable auto brightness, this is the biggest plus for me, mainly because auto brightness never seems to be good enough. Its always slighty too dim or too bright, even with custom brightness levels. The negative of this would be that if you have a passworded lock screen (swype lock screens don't affect this) the status bar is not click able so you can't increase brightness. This is a big issue if your screen is on the lowest brightness and you need to unlock your phone in the sun. This is mostly for taste. I find this feature highly convenient and puts control in my hands. Although automatic brightness works, it doesn't work well enough for me.
Toggle buttons in the notification pull down menu: This is insanely convenient. This coupled with the long pressing option to open the corresponding settings menu is also one of the biggest things keeping me with CM 10
Swypable notifications: You have no idea how convenient this is until you have it. To be able to pick and chose which notifications to dismiss with the swype of a finger.
Screen Shot and restart option in the power menu: I restart and screen shot enough that these options need to be in the power menu or somehow accessible
Everything else ICS and CM10 provides: I really dislike how Ginger Bread looks. It just doesn't have the nice clean feel. CM10 gets it right with the minimalistic look and design while adding features hidden where they should be hidden. Honestly, this is a HUGE plus. I really like the way CM10 looks and feels over almost every other ROM. I haven't found one that I've liked more than CM10.
Cons:
Most apps that use some form of a web view crash: A web view is a little window that renders webpages for you. Apps like Facebook use to use this and they crashed all the time. Exceptions include the stock web browser and most other web browsers. The reason for this crash is that there is a fatal Out Of Memory exception.
Google Now takes way longer to load: Yes, I already said that apps take a while to load but Google Now seems to take 5 seconds MINIMUM up to 10 seconds. I don't know why. I tried disabling the "Say Google to search" feature as well as the cards and that seems to have cut down on the load time but if Google Now is something you really want/need, this is a huge drawback.
Apps take a long time to load: Long is a subjective term so I'm defining it as between 1 second to just initialize to 3-5 seconds on a bad day. I am very sure this is because our phone has very little ram so the OS has to free some space for the new app and this is an intensive process that take that much time. At first, I pushed this off as some issue that doesn't really need attention but when you are trying to add a contact and it takes 5 seconds to load the Phone app, then another five seconds to load the People app, you're going to start being annoyed. Want to take a picture of your contact, add another 5 seconds to load the camera app.
The flashlight button in the notification pull down will crash: It will crash. You tap the button and it crashes. You long press and it crashes. Don't even bother. That's a big enough con for me to give it a mention and put it in the middle of my list. There have been a few times when I've needed a flashlight only to realize I need to actually open an app for it. I think the next best thing is to put the flashlight app in the swype to unlock menu.
Media Player stutters under load: Remember how I told you that app loading is an intensive process? Apparently, the thread priority for the media player process is lower than the app loading process. I say this based on the fact that as I play music from Pandora, if I press back, switch apps, or open a new app, the music from Pandora starts cutting and stuttering almost like a buffer, but not quite. I have not tried this with other music players but I have done it with another youtube player and I get the same problems. I haven't tried this with Google Music though so you may have some luck with that.
System Crashes: Rarely will my phone reboot on me for some strange reason. It has happened to me maybe 5 times in the last month and a half but it has happened. I don't really consider this a con just because it's so rare but it happens.
Google Maps Street View Crashes all the time: I believe this is related to the problem with Google Chrome. I remember reading that our kernel doesn't support certain drawing textures or drawing APIs so any app that tries to use those methods force close without warning.
Here are the apps I run and why:
Facebook Bookmark: I have a bookmark to facebook.com instead of using the facebook app mainly because the app USED to crash very frequently in the alpha one release (it used to use webviews instead of native code). I haven't noticed it crashing on me recently so I may switch back to using the stock Facebook App.
Go SMS: Simply because I like the look and feel of Go SMS better. It's really your choice on this one. I also like the popup notification when I receive messages that Go SMS provides over the one that the stock Messaging app provides.
K9-Mail: The stock E-Mail app crashed very frequently on me in the alpha one release. I could never figure this one out because it would crash even without the web views open. It may be fixed now but I've gotten used to K9-Mail
Stock Browser: Most other browsers clutter the screen (like Opera). I don't run firefox because I tried the beta release and it was very lacking. Google Chrome crashes all the time because of the kernel issue. I really enjoy using the stock browser with the "Quick Control" feature enabled under "Labs" in the stock Browser app. It cleans up the screen really well.
aCalendar: The widget is better. Plain and simple. I use day view for the widget. I use the widget on it's own home screen.
gTasks: Just something to use. I mostly use the widget on it's own home screen full sized
Conclusion:
Although I cannot recommend this ROM as an every day driver, I have to say that it does provide some serious features with some serious drawbacks. It is really up to you in my opinion because even I cannot decide whether it is a good or a bad ROM. The reason why I would flash a ROM is because I want to increase usability and to clean up my cluttered OS. However, minimalistic ROMs don't provide the features that CM10 provide. Those features definitely come in handy at times. Moreover, I like the CM10 lock screen way more but that's just taste. The reason why I haven't discarded CM10 already is because I can probably live with the longer load times for apps and the spontaneous crashes. The crashes are either rare enough to not bother me or predictable enough that I can avoid them.
My recommendation would be to try it out and see if you can live with it. If you can live with it, then you should definitely run it because it is by far the best app around. This is a good rom but not good enough for a solid recommendation. However, it is amazing it is still only on Alpha 2 considering how well it works for an alpha.
By the way, if you're coming form CM7/9, definitely jump to CM10. The decrease in force closes is worth the increase in app load time.
randomKID thanks for the awesome breakdown of the pros and cons you've found in this ROM. You still using it?
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It's been 5 days and it's holding quite well except my batteries drain 3 to 4 times as faster. I don't use 3G so it's disabled throughout the day. I'm coming from Gingerbread 4.3.3.
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OxyX said:
It's been 5 days and it's holding quite well except my batteries drain 3 to 4 times as faster. I don't use 3G so it's disabled throughout the day. I'm coming from Gingerbread 4.3.3.
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Well I do love CM10. I was getting some great battery life out of it. Wonder if everyone was/is that uses or used it? I had workarounds for just about every bug but one- the camcorder. I had to have a good working camcorder and the Videocam Illusion app was not reliable enough. Why so necessary? A 6 month old little girl that daddy loves to capture every day So I went to Eclipse but was not at all impressed with the battery usage (ROM was fine otherwise). I have now landed back on CM7 which I test drove some months ago. I will go back to CM10 provided there is an update that speaks to the camcorder issue. If not, I will hang out here for awhile most likely :silly:
You should try Eclipse 1.3 as I net 1.5-2 days of light use (phone calls / sms / fb) and it's blazing fast. I just put 2.3 on a few days ago and it's a very solid ROM but the speed isn't like 1.3 thou
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You should try Eclipse 1.3 as I net 1.5-2 days of light use (phone calls / sms / fb) and it's blazing fast. I just put 2.3 on a few days ago and it's a very solid ROM but the speed isn't like 1.3 thou
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I think I'll give that a try
I have serious battery issues running CM10. My battery NEVER lasts a full day on light/moderate use. When I was on CM7, I used to get a day and a half out of moderate use, so I'm a bit upset at that. I still prefer it to CM7 though, mostly because of the layout and the fact that my WiFi doesn't constantly lose connection. But the constantly-crashing apps and battery life have me ready to move on from the phone altogether. :/
Google Nexus 4, I'm on my way...
I have tried many options to try and anazlyze the best optimization for battery life out of my galaxy note 2 ..I noticed that when I was getting almost 2 days of battery life was when I had power saving mode enabled and I also had nova launcher installed but than I got to thinking that I wanted to give Touchwiz more of a chance because it is actually quite fluid and the animation is nice at 1x or .05x ...I was reading in threads that some users were not using power saving mode because it takes away from the beast of performance the note 2 possesses ...So my question is unlike other battery saving threads im not necessarily want pictures of your usage I want scenarios of what you ( the community of note 2 users) do to optimize and save battery life .... I will say that I am using cleanrom 3.5 I had 4.0.5 but I did not like that it took away some of the functions I liked ...So Ultimately I just want some advice on how to save battery life I have sync disabled and gps disabled but I keep google now enabled because its awesome ..I just need some advice and reccomendations please help im tired or buying apps that promise to save battery life only to find that they dont do much the most recent app I am trying and it sounds promising is DS Battery Saver and it seems promising because it actually turns off all background applications and wifi and data but wouldn't that do more harm than good to turn off background apps ,wifi and data ..
Have you ever thought about buying a bigger battery?
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Yes I have considered but I feel that I would like to try and explore the current options available to me seeing so many positive posy by other members saying there getting lots of battery life just out of the box without upgrading the battery, the battery on this thing is huge ,3100 ma ...Are these people keeping power saving mode on to gain the extra battery difference because I do notice a huge improvment in battery life when I put it in power saving mode but im thinking the people that are getting two days of battery life out of there device do not have power saving mode enabled
Not only that but I see screen time on some guys are at 8 hours screen time and still have like 50% battery or 6 hrs and have 68% battery thats insane ...I used my phone heavily today I had screen time on for about 6 hours and about two hours of phone calls and than alot of tweaking and trying options so restarting the phone drains the living crap out of this beast...So maybe ill try minimal use tomorrow and see what happens maybe ill see a difference I dont want to have to use ds battery saver most battery saving apps are crap claiming to help but in actually run in the background monitoring everything so it only enhances the battery draining issue or your phone will not go into deep sleep
I disabled haptic feedback. Keep the screen on auto.
Flashed perseus and am using a overclock/undervolt profile for stweaks from the thread that is here in general. There is a stweaks guide and stweaks profile thread if your interested.
Went through and froze or removed all startup and running services I didn't need. No sync apps that don't use push.
Anyway, that's what I did and get pretty good battery life.
Betterbatterystats isn't bloat either. It's pretty crucial if you want to troubleshoot power issues. I've used that as a reference for everything
In the end though, batteries are cheap. You can get 2 ankers and a charger for 20 on Amazon and they are great quality.
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Yes I am definitely intrested in sweaks Ive never heard of it and as far as freezing apps no problem there I just am afraid that if I freeze apps like Google Maps than my Google Now will not properly work I dont snyc anything if I want to sync I do it manually but im not familiar with what you mean by push ? Also i feel to under skilled when it comes to freezing certain background apps like Google Maps I noticed alot or the bulk of my battery drain comes from Location settings I have most of my apps not location enabled but if I were to say freeze google maps wouldnt that effect how Google Now operates ?
Also do you use a certain browser that uses less battery or is that a bit overboard I use mainly stock browser but I also have google chome because its fast and simple I use stock browser when I need to watch flash content and I use chrome when I want things simplified but I find myself using google chrome less and less I heard Opera makes a very nice simple browser ..What browser do you use most often for battery life or does it not matter much ...Oh and if you could possibly send me the link to stweaks I would greatly appreciate it ...
Thanks
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Yes I am definitely intrested in sweaks Ive never heard of it and as far as freezing apps no problem there I just am afraid that if I freeze apps like Google Maps than my Google Now will not properly work I dont snyc anything if I want to sync I do it manually but im not familiar with what you mean by push ? Also i feel to under skilled when it comes to freezing certain background apps like Google Maps I noticed alot or the bulk of my battery drain comes from Location settings I have most of my apps not location enabled but if I were to say freeze google maps wouldnt that effect how Google Now operates ?
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You can get an app called juice defender. You can set it up to turn wifi/data/bluetooth/gps off when you turn the screen off. You can set schedules to sync emails and other apps every 5, 10, 15, 30, or 60 minutes.. I have the pro version so I can control my entire phone..
If location settings is draining your battery, turn GPS off.
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So do you also keep power saving mode on your note 2 enabled ? or do you keep that off ..Also is there a video tutorial on how to use Juice Defender properly because I never fully understood some of its features do you have just the basic juice defender, the plus or the ultimate im only asking because I want to know if having juice defender plus will do the trick or do i need the ultimate to take full advantage ?
I only ask this because I already have juice defender plus on the note 2 but I have yet to use it on the note 2
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So do you also keep power saving mode on your note 2 enabled ? or do you keep that off ..Also is there a video tutorial on how to use Juice Defender properly because I never fully understood some of its features do you have just the basic juice defender, the plus or the ultimate im only asking because I want to know if having juice defender plus will do the trick or do i need the ultimate to take full advantage ?
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I leave my power saving off when I use my phone. Ultimate juice defender has all of the features you need. I don't know of any videos, but I know how to set it up, just ask your questions.
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Okay I'll give it a go so do you experience any battery drain in a 8 hour Window that's typically how long I sleep I was just curious Edgar percentage is lost within 8 hours with phone on deep sleep
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Okay I'll give it a go so do you experience any battery drain in a 8 hour Window that's typically how long I sleep I was just curious Edgar percentage is lost within 8 hours with phone on deep sleep
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I lose a percent about every 3 hours. Maybe 4.
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Are you able to tailor jd to work for you during the day as well I already juice defender plus is that enough or would you say get the ultimate ?
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What I mean during the day is when you have your phone on (on screen time ) are you able to signifiicantly reduce your anount of battery drain
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Do you know if juice defender ultimate works with rooted galaxy note 2
mindtrust1 said:
Do you know if juice defender ultimate works with rooted galaxy note 2
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I use it. Works fine with root.
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Do you use the ultimate ? And also have you heard of ds battery saver alot like juice defenfer you can pick and choose which apps you want to run in the background I am only having a problem with network location locator but than I realized if I disable in location settingd wifi and data enabled than my accuweather touch wiiz widget does not update
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Do you use the ultimate ? And also have you heard of ds battery saver alot like juice defenfer you can pick and choose which apps you want to run in the background I am only having a problem with network location locator but than I realized if I disable in location settingd wifi and data enabled than my accuweather touch wiiz widget does not update
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Apps running in the background don't use battery unless they sync a lot. You should be able to manually set location in weather apps.. and juice defender ultimate has the ability to set night schedules, control brightness, cpu, gps, network modes, etc. I have mine set up to sync apps every 30 minutes and then keep data and wifi off. You can also set traffic limits up too, so when the screen turns off, you can have data/wifi stay enabled if you are downloading something.
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If I am using the stock weather and time widget that comes on the galaxy note 2 is it a signifigant amount of battery saving if I have it set to just one location and if you dont mind me asking how do I set it up for it to be set to one lication also if I have weather showing on the lock screen with that use even more battery I mean if its running than it shouldnt effect it if I have it on lock screen and home screen...My last question is regarding location settings that seems to be my biggest battery drain. I like using google now but I noticed if I disable in location settings data and wifi I save a ton of battery life ...I was trying to figure out how to disable maybe certain apps that are tracking my location or if I should just disable wifi and data location but than google now doesnt perform properly
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i am getting terrible battery life on my 5 day old Galaxy 4 for VZ. i have disabled every thing i can, i use twitter, FB, Instagram, syng google and contacts, google keep etc. i cannot get over 1.5 hours screen on time, and it drains when idle also. i get maybe 7 hours total..
i want to love and keep this but man, i am getting gnex battery life with it. i have read so many good reviews on the battery life but something is up.
any ideas??? would rooting and installing like clean rom help?
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Rooting and apps like Greenify.
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The phone probably never sleeps the way you have it set up. All that stuff syncs in the background and therefore never lets the phone sleep. Stuff you don't have to know about constantly you should either turn off sync and manually sync it or try making it sync like say every hours or 4 hours not every 15 min. Honestly there are maybe 30-50 things that can cause your battery drain from a stock device that is new. But that is where i would start.
Also, make sure your GPS is off and your not using location services from VZW but just the normal google.
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The phone probably never sleeps the way you have it set up. All that stuff syncs in the background and therefore never lets the phone sleep. Stuff you don't have to know about constantly you should either turn off sync and manually sync it or try making it sync like say every hours or 4 hours not every 15 min. Honestly there are maybe 30-50 things that can cause your battery drain from a stock device that is new. But that is where i would start.
Also, make sure your GPS is off and your not using location services from VZW but just the normal google.
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great info....so what about some of the apps that people have said to install? i dont really want to root..especially since there is NO recovery...
also..i checked and i did notice it was awake allot, and GOOGLE CONTACTS took ALLOT of kernal usage..
Honestly I dont like apps used to control other apps. That means they run in thr background causing cpu cycles... hence waking the phone.
if youre not going to root, then go into the app manager and disable what you dont use and what youre able to. Not all apps are disablable. I even disable maps untill I need it
I noticed a lot of battery drain with my rooted ME7 version. Greenify helped but what really worked for me is this: Go to System Settings>More>Location Services and disable Wi-Fi & mobile network location (Google Location Services). Use VZW and Standalone GPS only. It may take your apps a tad bit longer to display your GPS position but you'll gain a lot of battery life. My GPS is always on, sync everything including 2 different Google accounts (all at the shortest interval) and have the other usual things running, ie. Facebook, Google Voice, Weather Bug, Go SMS, etc.
You've got wake locks and need to determine what they are. Read this, it should help http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31974989
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Rooting and apps like Greenify.
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Yes , I Agree ! :good:
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I use greenify on all my phones!
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It's not as hard as you think...
dvigue said:
great info....so what about some of the apps that people have said to install? i dont really want to root..especially since there is NO recovery...
also..i checked and i did notice it was awake allot, and GOOGLE CONTACTS took ALLOT of kernal usage..
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If you don't want to root, there's not a lot you can do as far as wakelocks. However, I would download Macrodroid and set up some profiles that turn off everything (sync, data, wifi, bluetooth) when you turn your screen off, control your syncing to once an hour or hour and a half, and turn on your data/wifi when you turn your screen back on - or rather, when you unlock it. This simple task will take you less than 20 minutes and will save you hours of battery life. Like others said, disable GPS unless you absolutely need it. Also, I would turn off a lot of the gitchy features (air gesture, air view, multi windo, smart scroll, smart stay) all that crap that is cool to use once or twice but just eats your battery like crazy.
If you choose to get Macrodroid and want help setting up the profiles, let me know. Good luck. By the way, that doubled my battery life. Once I rooted, controlled the wakelocks and bought a zerolemon 7500 battery, I can actually get over 3 days of usage with something like 9 hours of screen time.
Edit: Found two pics to prove the above claim...
There is an issue with the latest list so don't copy it completely. I got a bootloop after restarting my phone today and I had to factory reset... this is as of 10/8/16 at 12:50pm. The list from the 5th of October on back should be fine. I'm currently trying to sort out the issue.
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Here is a list of apps and services which can be disabled on the Note 7 while still maintaining stability; Data, Calling, Texting, MMS, Wi-Fi, Tethering, Bluetooth, GPS, Sync, Camera, EQ, HD Calling, Always On and all the S-Pen features work, but most other things are turned off like Fingerprint, Iris, NFC, Edge Panel, Pay Services, etc... This list isn't meant to be copied exactly by everyone because we all use our devices differently but you can pick and choose what you want to get the optimal performance from your device.
As of 10/6/16 I have 180+ apps and services disabled and today I got over 8 hours of SOT with 11% battery left (over 9 hours projected of SOT based on the days' usage). I didn't use any power saving modes and kept my brightness at a reasonable level so using the device was easy and not annoying due to the brightness being so low. I had location and sync enabled and wasn't doing any unnatural things trying to squeeze out as much battery life as I could. This was real world usage with all the necessary features and background processes running so using the device felt natural and functional. I say this so people don't think I fudged these numbers by doing things like letting my phone sit with the screen on while at the lowest brightness and not using it, or that I was using some power saving modes to squeeze out as much life as possible. My phone ran at full power all day. I've never even toggled power saving mode on my phone before.
Due to XDA's limit on the amount of image uploads I'm going to create two post with the complete list of disabled apps and link them here in the OP.
I'm using EZ Package Disabler (Samsung) from the play store to disable these apps and services. I bought that one because it had the highest rating.
Below here are some updates I posted during the process of figuring out what to disable. The post with the latest date is always going to have the most current and relevant information.
9/30/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68930083&postcount=16
10/2/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68950934&postcount=23
10/3/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68972097&postcount=26 / http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68972131&postcount=27
10/5/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68999679&postcount=33
[UNSTABLE something in this list caused me to bootloop]10/6/16 - 184 Disabled Apps & Services List Part 1 Here and Part 2 Here XML Export File List Here
Why do you bother to own this phone when you disable most of what makes this phone so great? It has a tonne of RAM, tonne of storage, not sure what you are trying to achieve by disabling so much?
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tonymy01 said:
Why do you bother to own this phone when you disable most of what makes this phone so great? It has a tonne of RAM, tonne of storage, not sure what you are trying to achieve by disabling so much?
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Actually, most of the features are still there. I bought it for the S-pen features and all that is still there. Did you go through the list and see what I turned off or are you just replying to reply? If you read my OG post you'd see I said that my goal was to keep the functionality of the device.
This phone is loaded with bloat and useless services and apps that most will never use. All these things can cause battery drain, cpu usage, ram usage, hardware heat, among other things. So why not turn off what is not needed? It doesn't matter how much ram the phone has, why run stuff that doesn't need to run since you aren't using it?
Fingerprint,shealth, Android pay, software updating, iris scanner, gmail, standard email, game launcher, Samsung cloud (much more useful than Google backup as it supports call logs, sms and other recoveries), the emergency alerts, car mode(for operating in car potentially with different launcher suitable for vehicle use) the list goes on and on and I did look, I don't post for no reason.
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tonymy01 said:
Fingerprint,shealth, Android pay, software updating, iris scanner, gmail, standard email, game launcher, the emergency alerts, car mode(for operating in car potentially with different launcher suitable for vehicle use) the list goes on and on and I did look, I don't post for no reason.
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Like I said, I bought it for the S-pen features. What I disabled I don't use and have no use for. Also If I want to use them at any time I can just reenable them. So let's go through your list. Fingerprint, I use swipe or a pin or a pattern. S-health, I use google fit, or nothing since I don't need a smartphone to tell me how to be fit. Android pay, I use cash. Software updating, if I want an update I can manually grab it, I don't need a service running constantly checking for them. Iris scanner, it's stupid and I'll never use it. Gmail, I use inbox and Alto. Standard email, I only have gmail accounts so don't need other email services. Game launcher, I don't play games. Emergency Alerts, seriously? You are just looking for things to justify your post, EA's are useless and annoying when they pop up and have never benefited me once. Car mode, I have no use for it since I drive a 2000 windstar minivan and waze provides me with all I need in a car. Also, you didn't name one thing that makes this phone great but rather things that are basically on all Android's. Again, I bought the phone for the S-pen, all that is still there. Why are you even doing this? your post are as useless as the apps and services I disabled.
Troll flushed where it belongs. Goodbye, no need to be so rude about it.
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It may be more useful to state what battery usage difference has been found / before and after
bonerp said:
It may be more useful to state what battery usage difference has been found / before and after
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Totally agree. I will try testing N7 when I get mine. First factory reset it out of the box (maybe get the update first then factory reset it with recovery). After that set it up keep all apps and see how battery is... the try the disabler I loke to debloat because phone looks much more cleaner then. And any debloat list is totally personal that why I used TB on my rooted devices, this time won't rush to root
Just disable the damn phone, turn it off and stop using it lol
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Why all the hate?
I really don't get when people post about disabling certain features that others get upset. Or use power saver, etc.
This is one of the great things about Android, the ability to customize and mod our phones to our liking. Try doing any of these things with an Iphone, you can't. So this particular user wants to disable Gmail and messages because he uses other services (Inbox is awesome). He reports back that things still seem stable? Great! I am interested in updates to see if he runs into any problems etc
Let's talk about the great features we have, which include the ability to replace core apps if we desire. Don't jump on someone for doing so.
A mouse running into a room at a party doesn't cause chaos, how people react to it does. We are all responsible for our own actions. You don't like how someone else customizes their phone, who cares? Move on to the next post.
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jmitr said:
Why all the hate? I am interested in updates to see if he runs into any problems etc
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Used the phone very heavy today and ran into no real issues. I had to reenable one service because I tried to use the built-in EQ and it made settings crash. I was able to find the cause in less than a minute and reenable it The service that needs to run for the EQ to work is "SoundAlive" on page 8.
Also got 2.75 hours of SOT and 3 hours of gps use and was right at 50% battery left. At the end of tomorrow I'm going to post some screenshots.
Thanks for the list OP, I probably won't be disabling as much as you have but it's great to know what I can kill without messing up the phone. (when I finally get it)
Mdizzle1 said:
Thanks for the list OP, I probably won't be disabling as much as you have but it's great to know what I can kill without messing up the phone. (when I finally get it)
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No problem. I plan on trying to get more added to the list. Once I know what I've added so far is safe and doesn't cause any issues I'll slowly add more.
I appreciate the list too. It is good to know what can be safely disabled and then we can decide what we want to keep or give the heave ho.
Smithfolk4 said:
I appreciate the list too. It is good to know what can be safely disabled and then we can decide what we want to keep or give the heave ho.
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I've done another day of heavy use today and I'm very happy with my results. I had over 3 hours of SOT using auto brightness which stayed on max brightness most of the time since I was outside and I still had over 40% (I estimate I was on track to get very close to 6 hours SOT with max auto brightness!!!) battery left when I got home. I also used GPS for about an hour along with installing app, and constantly doing other stuff on the phone. I'm going to update the OP with some more screenshots. But from these past two full days of very heavy use and no force closes or issues to speak of (other than having to turn SoundAlive back on for the EQ to work) I'm going to say what I've disabled so far is safe and causes no dependency issues. Also, the phone runs very smooth and doesn't get hot at all. Even today with basically 3 straight hours of SOT and max auto brightness the phone never heated up.
Oh! I'm at 101 things disabled now (not including my downloaded disabled apps) which is how I ran it all day today. More to come! Once I feel like I've found everything I can disable safely I'll do a new updated OP with all I found.
9/30/16 screenshots just showing some battery and cpu use stats. In the future I'm going to add some temp stats. If anyone has a good app for monitoring temps let me know even if it's paid. I don't mind buying apps that are good and useful.
Awesome the list is identical to what I disabled excluding iris, finger print, Samsung app store, gmail and sound alive. I can tell my phone lasts longer on a single charge and everything works just as if everything were enabled. For some odd reason I don't like seeing my RAM going over 2GB lol I know I know unused memory is a waste in Android OS.
NIKKOTUASON said:
Awesome the list is identical to what I disabled excluding iris, finger print, Samsung app store, gmail and sound alive. I can tell my phone lasts longer on a single charge and everything works just as if everything were enabled. For some odd reason I don't like seeing my RAM going over 2GB lol I know I know unused memory is a waste in Android OS.
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I've always hated automation. I can't stand things running without my permission! I've had all startup programs on windows disabled since 2003 Back in the day on Windows XP I got my active running services in task manager to below 20. I'm now at 101 things disabled on the note 7 and I know there is a ton more I can turn off but I'm going about things slowly. I've confirmed that the 101 things I've turned off so far are safe and the phone definitely runs better in every way.
As far as the ram theories and myths about Android it's mostly people repeating their misunderstandings. Of course if you are using the apps in the ram a lot it's good for them to be there because they will load faster but if you are never using those apps and services and they are still sitting in your ram then it's not productive and a waste of resources which will cause the phone to not run optimally. These phones (and computers) come preloaded with tons of stuff running because they are targeted at the average user and not at the power/informed users. Anyone who knows much of anything about computers and how they are setup from the factory knows they are not configured for performance but rather a balance between performance and usability. Of course Android is getting better and better at managing apps and putting them to sleep but there still is nothing better than completely disabling things you don't need and will never use and thereby freeing up resources you can use for things you are actually using...wow! what a concept, have resources there to use for things you actually use! Genius! People seem to act like having ram full just for the sake of having it full is a good thing in Android when that is completely false. Even Android likes to have resources free that it can use for other things.
142 disabled apps and services
So I'm now sitting at 142 things disabled. I'm going to run my current setup for a couple days and see how it goes. I'll report back the results. Hopefully in a week or so I'll have a full list of what can be turned off without having issues.
Looking forward to your end results. Thank You for sharing your experience debloating.