As the title says, is there no developer interested in porting PACman to this phon, not to be disrespectfull or anything cause i really apreciate the work and time you are givind to this phone, but I'm kinda angry when i see that even my dad's phone (HTC Desire HD) has android 4.2.2 PACman, and most other phones for that matter, and this phone didnt even have android 4,1,2 or 4.2.1 PACman, I meant i know there was a Paranoid build, but Paranoid Android is missing too many features i need (or want) from AOKP and CM (like lockscreen shortcuts), so my question is if isn't there any developer working or porting PACman to this phone, or at least adding Paranoid Settings to one of the allready existing AOKP or CM roms?
The devs get requests like this every day. I think it's a little unfair, devs are people too, they have lives, jobs and families just like us. Still they have brought us many roms. And they promise even more like ubuntu os. I think we should all be grateful for what we have. And if a dev does decide to port one of our favourite roms.... Bonus . If not, maybe it's time to do a little research on rom development, maybe try building a rom. If a dev see's "a normal" user putting alof of effort into a certain project, theres more chance they will step in and try to help
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honestly Pacman is not worth doing.... it creates issues with other devs apps on the market, and i honestly don't fancy getting the rage from app devs
-Lloir
AndroHero said:
The devs get requests like this every day. I think it's a little unfair, devs are people too, they have lives, jobs and families just like us. Still they have brought us many roms. And they promise even more like ubuntu os. I think we should all be grateful for what we have. And if a dev does decide to port one of our favourite roms.... Bonus . If not, maybe it's time to do a little research on rom development, maybe try building a rom. If a dev see's "a normal" user putting alof of effort into a certain project, theres more chance they will step in and try to help
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lol, first as I tryed to say it was not a request, more of a question if its comeing or not, and also i allready tryed to build my own rom, did a try with something easyer, and i was thinking i learned all i needed and downloaded the sources for cm9 and then tryed and it took me 5 days to manage to figure out how to get it build a flashable zip, cause it wouldnt build a zip file (not talking about this phone, and was long ago for my dads htc desire hd), and after that it ofc failed when i flashed it as in 1st i forgot to sign it and it didnt flash, then i did sign it and flashed, then flashed boot.img and ofc got a fail, wouldnt even get after the htc boot screen, so yah, if i could belive me i would try to build PACman, atm i only know the basic android things, like decompiling, compiling, smaling, backsmaling and signing apks, dont even remember how and what i did in my try to build cm9, and yah, im preety sure id fail again, plus at the time i tryed that i had a bit of time, now i have exams every week, so i totally understand the devs are bussy people and as i sayd or at least tryeing to say this was a question and not a request, i can live without it, even if i will silently hope it will happen one day
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honestly Pacman is not worth doing.... it creates issues with other devs apps on the market, and i honestly don't fancy getting the rage from app devs
-Lloir
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I dont really understand what you are trying to say, you meant some apps are not working on PACman, cause thats what I understand, also sorry for takeing your time?
EDIT: NVM this question/request, i just found the xposed framework and the xposed app settings and those make exactly what i want, im so happy now, for those that want to know what im talking about: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1574401 (for the xposed framework) and http://www.villainrom.co.uk/forum/threads/xposed-app-settings.5486/ (for the app settings)
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I was doing a little bit of surfing and noticed that cyanogen has made a cyanogen 9 version for the galaxy 2 and the nexus s... And I was wondering if it was possible to get this on our phones...
This should be in the general section...
Anyways one day it will
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Agree is should go in general. Cyanogen said that it wouldn't be until maybe January for an alpha of CM9.
As for asking for your specific phone, give it time... it hasn't even been a month since ICS source was released.
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Right. Moving to General.
jbizz said:
Agree is should go in general. Cyanogen said that it wouldn't be until maybe January for an alpha of CM9.
As for asking for your specific phone, give it time... it hasn't even been a month since ICS source was released.
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In the meantime, CM7.1 would be nice - but will they just skip over 7.1 for new devices and focus on 9?
Just as a heads up, Max Krivonos posted that he stopped working on CM7 for the amaze and is going straight to CM9,
Double edged sword. Great for CM9 but no CM at all for a few months.
Yea I really miss CM. Wish it would get here asap.
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I've thought alot about selling this phone due to the lack of having a huge community support (face it, it's no Sensation, Desire Z/HD, Evo, etc)... The hardware is good, the replacement? Obviously a Galaxy Nexus, if there is a solid CM9 port for this device, I would probably just save myself the trouble and keep using this, This has everything that the international GNex would have, except for the huge high res amoled screen. Please Koush/Max!!!! (I would think quite a bit could be borrowed from the Pyramid builds, with the obvious exception of the NFC/camera)
Uh... How long has the phone been out?? Let's face that first before complaining about the lack of development... It'd be nice if there was but its not going to happen over night...
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I've thought alot about selling this phone due to the lack of having a huge community support (face it, it's no Sensation, Desire Z/HD, Evo, etc)... The hardware is good, the replacement? Obviously a Galaxy Nexus, if there is a solid CM9 port for this device, I would probably just save myself the trouble and keep using this, This has everything that the international GNex would have, except for the huge high res amoled screen. Please Koush/Max!!!! (I would think quite a bit could be borrowed from the Pyramid builds, with the obvious exception of the NFC/camera)
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Be patient my friend! I think the reason behind (kinda) lacking developtment for this phone is because there will be an ICS came out soon for it in early 2012 and most Devs are waiting for the official Amaze ICS release rather than wasting their time to built rom that would only last for less than two months
On that perspective I am really thankful for Xboarder for his effort to brought us something to satisfied our addictiveness of flashing meanwhile
I am more thankful to Max Krivonos, and Keyan Mobli (Scepterr/kmobs), Max is probably gonna be the maintainer for the Amaze for CM9 and is currently the maintainer for the MT4GS, kmobs is the maintainer of the Sensation for CM9 and has it to a point where he's said "So I'm now using ICS as my daily driver"... There is hope, but if you're looking for CM7/9 or any REAL AOSP build, don't expect xboarder to deliver that, I don't think he compiles anything, he's a themer/kanger/(insert less offensive term here). There is hope, but I'm dying to see some actual AOSP builds, GB or ICS.
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I am more thankful to Max Krivonos, and Keyan Mobli (Scepterr/kmobs), Max is probably gonna be the maintainer for the Amaze for CM9 and is currently the maintainer for the MT4GS, kmobs is the maintainer of the Sensation for CM9 and has it to a point where he's said "So I'm now using ICS as my daily driver"... There is hope, but if you're looking for CM7/9 or any REAL AOSP build, don't expect xboarder to deliver that, I don't think he compiles anything, he's a themer/kanger/(insert less offensive term here). There is hope, but I'm dying to see some actual AOSP builds, GB or ICS.
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Well, I'm by no mean a tech guy or whatsoever in that manner. All I can do is follows instruction to flashing Rom and stuff so when it come to judging who done what I have no idea eventhough I'm very much understanding what kang is ...
Perhaps when Max and whoever on CyanogenMod team came over and gave us some ICS or CM9 goodness, 'til then, the very few peoples who get this Amaze forum go on as it is and gave us something to played with is Xboarder56, Mike1986 and NRGZ28 .... and for that I am appreciates their times and effort putting into it
Heck, I even thanksful those themer like Alexia Whitehurst, killathenoob, TheSneakerWhore for uploading their theme file even though I myself know how to extract files from rom and uploading onto UOT kitchen
Those guy are ways better than those who did nothing .
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Heck, I even thanksful those themer like Alexia Whitehurst, killathenoob, TheSneakerWhore for uploading their theme file even though I myself know how to extract files from rom and uploading onto UOT kitchen
Those guy are ways better than those who did nothing .
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Just trying to keep options out there during our "slow" (see:new) period. Development takes time--Hell, I'm stuck on a macbook until I can save up for a notebook. Once I get that, I'll be able to do real theming/modding. UOT framework feels like a cop-out right now, but it is all that is being offered and we need the activity to draw more people. I have a to-do list of mods I want to do, but until I get my hardware back, it isn't happening.
Ultimately, it is patience. This phone is very new--ICS is around the corner.
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Well, I'm by no mean a tech guy or whatsoever in that manner. All I can do is follows instruction to flashing Rom and stuff so when it come to judging who done what I have no idea eventhough I'm very much understanding what kang is ...
Perhaps when Max and whoever on CyanogenMod team came over and gave us some ICS or CM9 goodness, 'til then, the very few peoples who get this Amaze forum go on as it is and gave us something to played with is Xboarder56, Mike1986 and NRGZ28 .... and for that I am appreciates their times and effort putting into it
Heck, I even thanksful those themer like Alexia Whitehurst, killathenoob, TheSneakerWhore for uploading their theme file even though I myself know how to extract files from rom and uploading onto UOT kitchen
Those guy are ways better than those who did nothing .
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+1.
There is still very much a lot of effort being put in here.
I also am thankful to everyone helping out during our slow period. Although I can't wait for some true aosp action. I absolutely hate sense. It's pretty, but I just prefer aosp
wow man way to talk behind my back look at this:
https://github.com/Xboarder56/android_device_htc_ruby
wasnt gonna release yet but im working on cm7/cm9 compile so dont talk **** when you dont know.
PS: who fixed the recovery problem, me
PS: you compile just a basic recovery, hell port sense 3.5 with working data then talk
pss: just for prove recovery i compile 5.0.2.7 still working on fixing charging bug in this one but you make one of those without cm7 team and then you talk **** man i put hours into working on this **** for you just say that it makes me want to quite becuase you dont understand
http://www.multiupload.com/6ZLPJLUZ1S (5.0.2.7 recovery) happy now
Please refrain from argueing in thread's , take it to a PM . xBoarder doe's all of the work for us so don't even .
oh xboarder just schooled him. but back on topic i wish i could help xboarder but i know nothing about making roms and such.
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oh xboarder just schooled him. but back on topic i wish i could help xboarder but i know nothing about making roms and such.
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its not easy building a device tree but i did build one i still got to find all the libs to get it to compile right but thats the device tree it will compile cm7 just doenst boot all the way right now but it does compile working recoverys
to all the devs first of all thank you for your hard work. i know it takes time and time to build a nice not buggy rom and kernel,
and i know its hard cause of the lack of the wifi drivers and not having s-off, and i appreciate on staying with the amaze and not given up.
i know there are not many devs and i know working together can do more.
i was wondering if are there any thoughts on working on others roms
i know x been working on ics,
is it possible to port MIUI rom with miui camera in it not like the sensation that have the stock gb camera or CM like rom with the theme chooser apk
i heard before that it is easy to port roms from another htc android device i dont know i am not a dev you tell me. maybe not cause of the lack of s-off
i know if your thinking if i didnt like sense get another, but i do love sense but do like others ui like stock or miui base
and look at this rom for ICS looks cool
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430170
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to all the devs first of all thank you for your hard work. i know it takes time and time to build a nice not buggy rom and kernel,
and i know its hard cause of the lack of the wifi drivers and not having s-off, and i appreciate on staying with the amaze and not given up.
i know there are not many devs and i know working together can do more.
i was wondering if are there any thoughts on working on others roms
i know x been working on ics,
is it possible to port MIUI rom with miui camera in it not like the sensation that have the stock gb camera or CM like rom with the theme chooser apk
i heard before that it is easy to port roms from another htc android device i dont know i am not a dev you tell me. maybe not cause of the lack of s-off
i know if your thinking if i didnt like sense get another, but i do love sense but do like others ui like stock or miui base
and look at this rom for ICS looks cool
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430170
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If you want it to look cool like ICS
-get adw launcher ex, download the ICS theme
-download widget locket and pick the ICS unlocker, and set the background of the clock to invisible
-download exdialer or exContacts and get the ICS theme
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to all the devs first of all thank you for your hard work. i know it takes time and time to build a nice not buggy rom and kernel,
and i know its hard cause of the lack of the wifi drivers and not having s-off, and i appreciate on staying with the amaze and not given up.
i know there are not many devs and i know working together can do more.
i was wondering if are there any thoughts on working on others roms
i know x been working on ics,
is it possible to port MIUI rom with miui camera in it not like the sensation that have the stock gb camera or CM like rom with the theme chooser apk
i heard before that it is easy to port roms from another htc android device i dont know i am not a dev you tell me. maybe not cause of the lack of s-off
i know if your thinking if i didnt like sense get another, but i do love sense but do like others ui like stock or miui base
and look at this rom for ICS looks cool
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430170
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no offence to the OP but such kind of posts are stupid. Do you think the devs havent thought about it before you? you admit it you know nothing about roms and kernels but still you put yourself in the position of suggesting devs what according to you looks better. as seansk said just install couple of apps and make it look like the ones in the link you showed+that miui style is boring stressing iphone like stuff. just buy yourself an iphone 4 and you will be fine
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no offence to the OP but such kind of posts are stupid. Do you think the devs havent thought about it before you? you admit it you know nothing about roms and kernels but still you put yourself in the position of suggesting devs what according to you looks better. as seansk said just install couple of apps and make it look like the ones in the link you showed+that miui style is boring stressing iphone like stuff. just buy yourself an iphone 4 and you will be fine
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yes i know the devs prolly thought about this, this is just a reminder in fack this message was for devs there is no business here for you,
if i wanted an iphone i would had stayed with it,
and i just suggested that cause its nice having difference roms not just sense
and i know the time it takes to build one.
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yes i know the devs prolly thought about this, this is just a reminder in fack this message was for devs there is no business here for you,
if i wanted an iphone i would had stayed with it,
and i just suggested that cause its nice having difference roms not just sense
and i know the time it takes to build one.
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u mean the dev I suppose? cuz I do not see any devs here other then Xboarder
p.s there is business for me wherever I want mister gipsy from texas
I wouldn't say this is at all a stupid thread. It lets xboarder know that there are lots of people that are looking forward to something else. As for rom developement, its tough because x is really the only person here who knows how to work with source code. A couple others are learning but it just takes time. O and superstar just picked up an amaze so hopefully he will jump in and help! He has an ics build on the hd2!
I would totally love miui as well but know X is really the only main dev here.
Also love when people just ask simple questions and get fired at like they are a moron I bet other people that know a lot were once noobs too.
I guess that's the way xda is and has become its sad that people have to be afraid to post a question or a topic.
Yes I agree search first but damn we all aren't geniuses
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Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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None of my work counts as development so copypasta porting doesn't count. If it does, then what I did with the deblur/debloat script should count as a universal ROM for moto android devices.
I've heard people complain about copy and paste devs for a long time. Had alot of drama over it when I had the epic. Bottom line is it still takes know how. You have to know what and where to copy. And it still takes a lot of time. And some of the best roms I've used were from so called copy and paste devs. As long as they give credit to where it came from. Most devs learn from looking at what someone else has done anyway. Bottom line the more roms and devs the better. I appreciate your work here, but I see nothing good coming from a thread like this. No affense.My 2 cents.
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now I'm in no way crying but,.....what's the deal bud.....we do alot more than copy paste my friend every rom I do gets smali edits, I have to decompile/recompile several jars in different builds **** in gummy I have to edit the entire framework.jar just to get market working.....is it built from source, no, do I work hard on it without a doubt yes, i can't understand why you needed to open a thread to try to debunk my work..... reason I say my work .... I worked on miui, bill does it now, and does a pretty damn good job of it too..and you think its only copy paste getting miui working.....lol....that one is a beast of its own...takes several several changes to get our to just freaking boot.....I'm working on 4 ics based on the photon and 4 for the atrix.......and for both phones requires several edits ..... i mean seriously all we're doing is allowing more choices more options more roms..... I think you have a very wrong idea of what actually is done on these roms.....**** if it were only as easy as copy paste ....don't ya think we'd have had more of these roms sooner and made by different people, only reason miui got here is yepitsme gave up I picked up slack and took of with it then handed her off to bill.....so again I say whats the deal bud....should be happy our aging phone is seeing so much activity....now I do apologize if I have went out of line here but I couldn't help but feel a, little attacked here directly....and by two of the guys I freaking looked up to on here....all I can say is wow I guess I should just close my threads then since porting doesn't count..... and to say don't cry and tell you it took hours cause there are guides............who made the thread in the first place and the purpose of it is?? I'm in no way crying but not going to be called out like this and not respond, which your a very smart guy so I know that you knew exactly what would happen in opening a thread like this....sometimes it does take hours copy/paste you have no clue.....every new cm9 joker puts out we have to flash each lib one at a time to se e which one isn't playing nice,.but thats just copy pasting isn't it, edits to the build prop, updater script.....smali edits to numerous files, jars,apks....but thats just copy paste too I guess.....or maybe its how at times we flash each rom several times and troubleshoot each issue everyone has not just release and say nothing....but thats just pasting too....you really have no clue maybe should read a couple of those guides you are reffering to cause even in them they tell you this isn't all you have to do...**** some of them even say I can only point to what might work not that this guide works for every phone no matter what...
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I see points for either side of the coin but a discussion like this will not be good for the Photon forum. To have developers/contributors against themselves is exactly what has happened in other threads and it never ends up a positive for anyone. I feel there is a place for all kinds of work as long as no work is being stolen and credit is being given. It allows for more options and benefits us all. We could all debate this further but I think we know where this would be heading.
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Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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RockoDev said:
Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Let me set the record straight:
FIRST AND FOREMOST: I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A DEVELOPER.
SECOND: MIUI is NOT just cut and paste. If I had SOURCE for it, I would BUILD it SOURCE. As MIUI has NOT released it, I CANNOT do that. I DO PORT it, and I label it as such. But, to act like all I do is cut and paste, you're way off base.
1) I have to edit the framework files just to get it to fully boot with service/data, and the options that the users of my build have grown accustomed to. I have to test libs each time that Joker releases a new CM9, as not all are compatible.
2) I have to test libs with each MIUI release, as they often build with ARM7b, which is NOT compatible with our beloved Tegra 2 processor.
3) I then make 2 versions (Aroma based and CWM flash).
4) I credit everyone whose work I used to do what I do. That being said, if I port something, you're darn right I should get credit for the work I do.
5) The reson SO MANY (2) MIUI threads have popped up is that Spleef initially started the ports. At a point in late March, I took over doing the ports and he took to other roms. I have been asked recently by MIUI.us to start a separate thread so that I can keep the OP up to date and standardize it to the format that they wanted.
Now, on to my other CONTRIBUTIONS:
1) Fixes thread-yes, may be slightly out of date, but it's helped a LOT of people
2) How-tos thread-sure...I need to add more to it and plan to when I get the time.
3) Anyone here like Kitchen Sink? I ask as Joker and I have spent HOURS working together on that rom getting it to where it is. Not to mention if you use version 2.11, then you're using something I assembled, as it was done while Joker was on away on Vacation.
4) I am usually found on ALL the Photon/Atrix threads helping people with their issues ranging from flashing issues to data issues, etc.
5) Check out how many ROMs I've helped on.
Another thing, I don't have the title Developer...and didn't apply for it. I am a Contributor. I CAREFULLY examined the criteria for each and decided that I would apply for being a Contributor as I DON'T at this time do SOURCE work.
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
I would personally LOVE to have the opportunity to talk to ANY of the DEVS you cite as having an issue with the fact that I port MIUI.
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So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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your absolutely right anyone can do this it just takes some patience and a little knowledge....we give credit, thanks, and links to every rom we port over..... I'm guilty of forgetting things in roms. I know I am, sometimes things get forgotten or ill use the wrong damn file...lol.....I'm not taking shots or trying to start no crap but I woke up this morning to this thread and couldn't believe what I was reading.... I mean hell rocko rom was jokers originally and look at it now, we all start some where, true I don't do source right now.......but thats not to say I never will I've had joker trying to teach me for a while now but we live our lives so time is short
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
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Not sure who did that...we had an issue with SU in MIUI on one build due to incompatibility with MIUI and the 0.6.whatever SU xbin
Th3Bill; said:
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
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I'm not trying to pick any sides in this because I like both of your work, but damn he got you.
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shabbypenguin said:
......reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P )........
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Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
I think, this thread is something, that shouldn't be here. It's all about choices. I don't like the ROMs of all devs here, so I made my own. But I am still glad they are here. And I appreciate their work.
Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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AMEN!
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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willysp said:
Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
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lol was just poking fun at ya man hence the
jokersax11 said:
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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Can I get an AMEN
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shabbypenguin said:
Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
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No!!!!! I am not have never claimed to be.....
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To those that may be offended by my position let me clarify. I was on the Evo for the first price drop. A ton of ROMs suddenly appeared that were no more than a font or color change by folks claiming to be devs. To me, simple edits like that are not development or ROMs. I've seen the same with themes, swap a font and call yourself a dev. There are script releases by "devs" that all that was done was change the device name or partition location. To me none of that stuff counts as honest development.
Another example is ROMs from the JoyOS port guides. Copypasta and a couple build.prop edits and look you have JoyOS. That in itself is not development to me. Now if you have to go through and do framework/smali edits to get it to work, that's a whole different story. That requires know how, skill and time.
spleef, Th3Bill and others, I'm sorry if you took my previous post personally. I consider you guys a dev and your work is well beyond anything I have released. Digging around in the code to get things to work is not easy. There are many with contributor titles really should read developer. (again, in thinking about it I really am not one of them). I was also speaking about android as a whole and not specifically the photon forum.
jokersax11 said:
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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I can't speak for others but I agree with you on this only to a point. It goes back to the first paragraph in this post. To me, a font change or other very minor changes isn't development. I'm speaking in general however. When it comes to the Photon specifically, there's a lot of actual deving being done and folks that are very deserving of dev status (again, I am not placing myself in that category).
To All,
A lot of crap has happened to me personally over the past couple months. My attitude is lousy at best and I think it time I walk away for awhile. If I have offended I am sorry. Feel free to grab any of my work and run with it. I also have the following unfinished projects up for grabs;
2.3.5 sudo-Blur ROM with root ODEXed and De-ODEXed built straight from the 2.3.5 leak. (USB is intermittent but not sure if its the phone or the ROM)
webtop+ 2.3.5 leak (missing apps)
Copypasta JoyOS port (never connects to service)
Hi Guys
This one thought has been going through my head all day and all yesterday, and when I say it to people with android device which is custom ROMed or rooted, they have a little chuckle.
Now don't get me wrong, I love that the desire X has a development team for ROMs and what not, and I love every one of them (xpirt, atis112, MaartenXDA, neXus PRIME and whoever else I missed), but I can't help but think this is what they think
"Alright it boots... lets do something else"
Love you all <3
iTz.Ranga said:
Hi Guys
This one thought has been going through my head all day and all yesterday, and when I say it to people with android device which is custom ROMed or rooted, they have a little chuckle.
Now don't get me wrong, I love that the desire X has a development team for ROMs and what not, and I love every one of them (xpirt, atis112, MaartenXDA, neXus PRIME and whoever else I missed), but I can't help but think this is what they think
"Alright it boots... lets do something else"
Love you all <3
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That's not true at all.
First of all, only one of the people you mentioned is a "recognized developer" and he is in school busy with studies. Dont expect him to work full time.
Secondly, I was a learner for just about everything but became RC here on desire x, not before. (Although you missed prototype, and xpirt and Maarten also fall in the same category, even higher then me, i guess.)
Thirdly,
you people got these fully working things
1. CWM
2. TOUCH CWM
3. TWRP
4. FULL SENSE 4+
5. AOSP MODS and ALL OTHER MODS
6. Custom Kernels (LOTS OF THEM, with unique)
7. MIUI (sense-based)
8. and many many many things i missed. (special mention to sense 5, apart from BT bug, which will get fix soon)
Above were almost fully functioning products. Now lets mention the rest.
1. CM9
2. CM10
3. AOKP-ICS
4. AOKP-JB
5. PARANOID
6. CM10.2
and many more i must have forgotten.
All of above was done by 1 dev, and others good at porting and compiling. Thats more than you should expect.
Your thread is not the first one like this. Sometimes people show amazement at slow pace, some show sadness, others are ruthlessly blunt and rude. I understand that. But what we need are more people willing to learn the stuff.
Everyone will work what they like... if i want sweep2wake on my phone, i dont care how many others want overclock or undervolt, i'll concentrate on it. and when i start work, i'll get plenty of help from other communities as well.
I hope you get my point.... for future reference, whenever someone opens this kind of thread, i'll copy paste this same post....
Or i'll ask a MOD to make this a sticky.:silly:
Regards
Yasir
neXus PRIME said:
That's not true at all.
Or i'll ask a MOD to make this a sticky.:silly:
Regards
Yasir
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+1
Look at this from another point of view, if you'd be the developer,
sometimes you'd be getting pissed when you try to bring something to work,
but it won't work after you've spent 3-4 nights, lets say a week at it.
They need variety too!
fixing bugs isn't just like catching them
PS: bring your own ROM to boot before you try to judge
Jann F said:
PS: bring your own ROM to boot before you try to judge
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Not being an ass or anything but that part was really pointless. If he/she could have made Roms they would do so.
And as for others that keep asking questions like this should really just buy another phone. And use Roms on that.
Cake...
neXus PRIME said:
I hope you get my point.... for future reference, whenever someone opens this kind of thread, i'll copy paste this same post....
Or i'll ask a MOD to make this a sticky.:silly:
Regards
Yasir
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oho yasir bhaye, full time bharam
@iTz.Ranga if you have problem with devs then why don't you start your own development of a rom? I don't think so its hard enough or impossible.
dominos_liberty said:
@iTz.Ranga if you have problem with devs then why don't you start your own development of a rom? I don't think so its hard enough or impossible.
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I'm sure he didn't mean that he has a "problem" with the devs (and other contributors). More like wanting to know why so many roms are seemingly discontinued before reaching stability. And the simple answer is that these roms (PACman, AOKP, etc) are CM-based, so they cannot be stable until we have a stable CM rom
But attempting your own rom is also a good suggestion. I'm gonna experiment with some development/porting after exams, though right now the only experience with programming I have is web/database/object orientated (VB, ASP.net, SQL, etc)
Hope it's not too hard.
Hi.
iTz.Ranga said:
Hi Guys
This one thought has been going through my head all day and all yesterday, and when I say it to people with android device which is custom ROMed or rooted, they have a little chuckle.
Now don't get me wrong, I love that the desire X has a development team for ROMs and what not, and I love every one of them (xpirt, atis112, MaartenXDA, neXus PRIME and whoever else I missed), but I can't help but think this is what they think
"Alright it boots... lets do something else"
Love you all <3
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No. Pfffftt... Yeah you're right "Alriight it boots.... (Except you got the next statement wrong) lets go fix the bugs before we do something else" and NeXus Prime is right, almost most of the ROMs here are done by one dev Sense 5, Full Sense 4.1 and 4+. CM 10.2, MIUI, PA and more
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So there is a member with one post deciding he has to judge the developers on this forum. That is exactly what we were waiting for...
This thread is extremely disrespectful and we can easily do without it. If you don't like the roms the devs offer here, proceed to make your own.
If you can't, just take what is offered or move on.
can someone tell me why the developers have 2.3.4 rom in development, with bugs and little support ??? when it is better to devote time to a single good and seriously attended !!!!
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Same question. There are a few devs who would work on one build then abandon the project completely, and make another build of a different ROM.
Because most of that So called Development is just copy paste job. those guys don't actually develop anything by themselves. otherwise they could have fixed it, instead they wait for actual developers to fix it and just copy from them. :silly:
kraatus90 said:
Because most of that So called Development is just copy paste job. those guys don't actually develop anything by themselves. otherwise they could have fixed it, instead they wait for actual developers to fix it and just copy from them. :silly:
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[email protected] said:
can someone tell me why the developers have 2.3.4 rom in development, with bugs and little support ??? when it is better to devote time to a single good and seriously attended !!!!
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kraatus90 said:
Because most of that So called Development is just copy paste job. those guys don't actually develop anything by themselves. otherwise they could have fixed it, instead they wait for actual developers to fix it and just copy from them. :silly:
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1. You will know then answer when you try to compile one ROM (Not developing).
2. Compiling a ROM is not just a Copy & Paste work. If it's so... Do yourself.... (its just copy & paste nah..?)
So here is a answer. I'm also started Android Development just 2 weeks ago. And i compiled 4 different ROMs : Lineage, Candy, Slim, Glaze. I'm not doing it for you. But for me. I wanted to learn, no one can start from "Coding Everything from Scratch" especially legacy softwares like kernel and other things. So we start from compiling.... When we successfully compiled a ROM by facing and fixing many Errors. We move on to a new ROM, Coz New ROM will give new errors and we can learn to fix them. You may ask "Why you cant learn from Improving a rom...?" and my answer is "NO ONE IS GONNA TEACH ME HOW TO IMPROVE A ROM". Self learning needs lots of trial and error. So we building many ROMs. If you don't like that or you are a cry baby who cries for "XXXXX is not working" or "Poor XXXX". Just stick with STOCK ROM. XDA is for Learning and Not Only for SERVING YOU A BUG FREE, FULLY OPTIMIZED, FULLY FEATURED CUSTOM ROM for FREE.
Sorry.... if anything hurts anyone... I mean it.
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1. You will know then answer when you try to compile one ROM (Not developing).
2. Compiling a ROM is not just a Copy & Paste work. If it's so... Do yourself.... (its just copy & paste nah..?)
So here is a answer. I'm also started Android Development just 2 weeks ago. And i compiled 4 different ROMs : Lineage, Candy, Slim, Glaze. I'm not doing it for you. But for me. I wanted to learn, no one can start from "Coding Everything from Scratch" especially legacy softwares like kernel and other things. So we start from compiling.... When we successfully compiled a ROM by facing and fixing many Errors. We move on to a new ROM, Coz New ROM will give new errors and we can learn to fix them. You may ask "Why you cant learn from Improving a rom...?" and my answer is "NO ONE IS GONNA TEACH ME HOW TO IMPROVE A ROM". Self learning needs lots of trial and error. So we building many ROMs. If you don't like that or you are a cry baby who cries for "XXXXX is not working" or "Poor XXXX". Just stick with STOCK ROM. XDA is for Learning and Not Only for SERVING YOU A BUG FREE, FULLY OPTIMIZED, FULLY FEATURED CUSTOM ROM for FREE.
Sorry.... if anything hurts anyone... I mean it.
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Why did you took it personally lol? it was just an observation. yes there are people who want to learn and they have to start somewhere. nothing wrong in that. but when you see same people doing exactly same thing for a long time and not improving upon that. it becomes clear what they are doing.
and i never ask for fix this fix that, cuz i know who are actually developing and who are just waiting for fix to be developed by someone else. so no point asking. you sound like someone who wants to learn. but that doesn't mean everyone else is like you. there are people who as i said haven't learn anything but just copy paste cherry-pick for donation money. i rarely see anyone with their own piece of code. happens even more with kernel btw.
and yes i have compiled cm13 2 year ago that's the reason why i know this, and currently using my own (copy-paste haha) kernel for both MG5/nexus 5x. although i haven't released it. nor i'll. (source is on my git if you don't believe).
Anyway, best of luck for your learning, i hope you will learn a lot and will be able to fix problems by yourself instead of waiting for others. it's a long road ahead :good:
First of all, people always mistake ROM/Kernel etc development (not talking about app and other development which are indeed) as profession of devs, they do it in their FREE time because they like it, for example you play basketball because you like it.
Secondly, when there is shortage of ROMs, you yourself would complain about it, please correct me if I'm wrong. Different ROMs have different flavours, and everyone of us likes tasting different flavours. If you're worried about why a thread owner isn't updating it, you can migrate to other one instead of complaining about it.
Some guys have enough skills to compile ROMs, but not the ability to work on source code. So they wait for fixes by those who work on source, and update their ROMs as soon as bug is fixed. Also, compiling can be the start of learning development for guys.
Although I agree with @kraatus90 on some points, there are some things that I don't. First of all, there's no point of redoing the whole kernel, vendor, tree source stuff when you can use the available code with some modifications, obviously the one who uses it have to give proper credits to the bringup dev and other contributors. Also it should be moral duty of the forker to improve the forked code, be it in small or big ways. Simply forking, compiling and PUBLISHING is certainly disheartening and condemnable.