Sammy roms vs aosp speed - Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi guys just wondering is there any way to make pure Samsung roms as fast as aosp roms are such as cm 10.1 because even when I've frozen all the bloatware on any Sammy based rom it never seems to be anywhere near as fast or as smooth as a aosp rom, any ideas guys to get this kind of speed?
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Drizzy xS said:
Hi guys just wondering is there any way to make pure Samsung roms as fast as aosp roms are such as cm 10.1 because even when I've frozen all the bloatware on any Sammy based rom it never seems to be anywhere near as fast or as smooth as a aosp rom, any ideas guys to get this kind of speed?
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If I get a chance,I will pm you what I did, it's fairly straight forward, but will take a while to describe, might not be until tomorrow.

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If I get a chance,I will pm you what I did, it's fairly straight forward, but will take a while to describe, might not be until tomorrow.
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Okay thanks mate.
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Drizzy xS said:
Okay thanks mate.
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Also I think it could be something to do with the kernel on cm roms cause at the moment I'm using sotmax v 15 with latest perseus and I even have it OCed to 1.ghz and yet it still lags and stutters especially when opening apps and recent apps menu. What the hell could it be, I'm sure stock rom can't be like this otherwise no one would buy galaxy s 3..?
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You have oc'd it to 1ghz?
That doesn't make sense at all

Oh crap that was meant to say 1.6 stupid auto correct.
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try enabling gpu rendering

Already done it..
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Drizzy xS said:
Also I think it could be something to do with the kernel on cm roms cause at the moment I'm using sotmax v 15 with latest perseus and I even have it OCed to 1.ghz and yet it still lags and stutters especially when opening apps and recent apps menu. What the hell could it be, I'm sure stock rom can't be like this otherwise no one would buy galaxy s 3..?
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Well I certainly don't have lag opening apps, lag does appear after I've installed a few new apps or app updates but thats a rare and my recent apps menu is smooth.

The issue is not very related to the kernel, imho, because I tried dual booting with Siyah kernel between Sammy rom and CM10.1, and with CM rom I felt everything WAY more smooth, also in terms of free memory and multitasking:
I use Titanium very frequently, and with Samsung roms 90% of the time when I open it (even after a quick app switch) it has to reload the app list (because it was killed), while on CM10 it remains in memory much more, even with the same installed apps on both ROMs...
I disabled around 50 system apps in the samsung rom, still not enough to free the memory.

Yeah but I don't understand what is on cyanogen mod that makes it so much faster and what is on Samsung roms that is slowing them down so much?
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Drizzy xS said:
Yeah but I don't understand what is on cyanogen mod that makes it so much faster and what is on Samsung roms that is slowing them down so much?
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its not as bad as you are making out, the differences are minimal

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please, me too.

also other thing i read people are doing is using another launcher, like nova launcher. for me changing the kernel did the difference, i use boeffla kernel now.

Samsung stock roms are bloated as hell whereas CyanogenMod is pure aosp with just basic android system and important components to run it smoothly. Also CM feels more smoother because of various system tweaks and performance optimizations by the awesome devs whereas the samsung roms don't even implement the very basic of Google's Project Butter.
I've used Omega rom and damn that was fast for a stock rom. It is tweaked very well, I suggest you try that out too. I use Omega and CM dual boot with Siyah kernel. Curretly i'm only running Cm10.1 coz Siyah kernel hasn't been updated to support dual booting of jb 4.2.2

Is there not a way to strip samsung roms down so they're as fast as cm by removing all the crap you're talking about?
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Drizzy xS said:
Is there not a way to strip samsung roms down so they're as fast as cm by removing all the crap you're talking about?
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Most roms like the Omega rom remove unecessary bloatware. But the basic issue lies within the touchwiz design itself. The sammy rom is entirely a resource hog and the system is basically bloated with unecessary crap.
The most you could do at a user level is to remove useless apps, disabling unused services and most of all NOT use Touchwiz.. Instead use something like Nova launcher which gives you a more stock feel and is relatively low on system resources.
Personally I'll mention that Omega rom is pretty smooth when it comes to overall system performance. But again its just a modified version of the crap sammy rom.
PS: If you hate the fact that normal system apps like the dialer and call log take way too long to load on ur sammy rom..Use exDialer and exContacts.. A very very good alternative to the native apps..Loads extremely fast and has waaay better UI than sammy.
My primary rom is CM 10.1 for obvious reasons. But I'll keep Sammy rom on dual boot until they fix the Camera issue with AOSP based roms..

I think I'm genuinely going to consider just switching to aosp because it's just pissing me off how much slower it is the only thing keeping me from switching is probably the battery life and the crappy camera you get on aosp roms.. But to me it doesn't look there's a way to fix the ****ty Samsung roms and I don't understsnd how they are getting away with shipping this crappy bloatwiz on probably the best phone out at the moment..
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Pm.d you with how I set mine up ,^^

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Gingerbread Scrolling Vs ICS

Why scrolling on ICS roms (sammy and aosp) are worse than on Gingerbread? It really sucks. I just don't get it since ICS is supposed to have hardware acceleration and all. It stutters a lot and is not as smooth as gb. I've been using paranoid rom for some time now and I've tried almost everything available on xda and while ICS has clear advantages over gb, scrolling is not one of them. I just went back to cm7 just to make sure (it'd been a long time since I'd used it and I didn't remember very well) and scrolling is waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy better. Isn't it possible to make ics scrolling better? Am I missing some config or tweak that fixes this?
ICS has only recently been shipped out, give Samsung some time and they'll iron out these things
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I can only agree. The scrolling in ICS on Galaxy S2 is poor. It is stuttering and this makes it unpredictable and very unpleasant to look at. The latest (XWLPG) firmware doesn't help at all. In my view, ICS is a beta product due to this single flaw. It may be functional, but not as good as GB good.
I am therefore running GB again.
galmok said:
I can only agree. The scrolling in ICS on Galaxy S2 is poor. It is stuttering and this makes it unpredictable and very unpleasant to look at. The latest (XWLPG) firmware doesn't help at all. In my view, ICS is a beta product due to this single flaw. It may be functional, but not as good as GB good.
I am therefore running GB again.
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As they said - "TO EACH IS OWN". it really is a preference for the user if they want ICS or GB. Feature wise, ICS offers a lot more than GB. Stability wise, yes its GB. Just my two cents
Agreed. The scrolling sucks. Stutter, stu stu stutter...
I never knew how bad scrolling could be until these stock-based Samsung ICS ROMs came out. As you lift your finger off the screen, the tracking is way too sensitive and sometimes this causes the scrolling to go flinging off into the opposite direction, or too far in the same direction you were traveling before you lifted your finger. This isn't necessarily an ICS problem, because CM9 and AOKP based ROMs on the SGS2 don't suffer from this issue, so it's obviously something Samsung is doing. Changing kernels and playing around with different touch sensitivity / vitalij settings doesn't really help. I'll be curious to see if the stock-based ROMs on the SGS3 do the same thing.
I'm having the exact same problem. Tried everything from pure stripped down ICS ROMS to heavily customized ones and the scrolling sucks as compared to GB. It's a shame the UI experience is worse on ICS when it is the biggest factor in user experience. The SGS2 has very powerful hardware (even by today's standards) and shouldn't stutter while simply scrolling between homescreens or app menus. It really just ruins the experience for me.
Any new on the next android update? I hope they're not stopping at 4.0.4 cus there's a lot more to be done.
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OriginsOfLewis said:
ICS has only recently been shipped out, give Samsung some time and they'll iron out these things
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It has nothing to do with samsung. It's ICS itself. Using custom non-samsung ICS roms (even pure google ICS experience ones) stutters just as much.
DanDroidian said:
Agreed. The scrolling sucks. Stutter, stu stu stutter...
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Samsung-based ICS Roms are buttery smooth. All AOxP Roms are not.
Pfeffernuss said:
Samsung-based ICS Roms are buttery smooth. All AOxP Roms are not.
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Check out the aosp kernel Fluxxi, which has a setting in its xx tweaks application to mimic scrolling to the old GB way. Problem solved
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Pfeffernuss said:
Samsung-based ICS Roms are buttery smooth. All AOxP Roms are not.
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I'm on LPG with SpeedMod...
DanDroidian said:
I'm on LPG with SpeedMod...
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I tried wanam LPG with both siyha and cf-root and they stuttered the same....maybe i'll try with speedmod.
kitecarl said:
Check out the aosp kernel Fluxxi, which has a setting in its xx tweaks application to mimic scrolling to the old GB way. Problem solved
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Has anyone tried this???
I tried, and yes, it is way better !
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I'm using XX series of ROMs and with exception of the first one (LPQ) scrolling is perfect, especially on XXLPW. I read somewhere on this forum that Samsung implemented different scrolling engine on ICS ROMs so actually we shouldn't much compare these two stock ROMs families. ICS was supposed to behave a little different from the beginning. Anyway, I've noticed the differences in scrolling mechanism on ICS but cannot say single bad word about its fluency nor speed.
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legsim said:
I tried, and yes, it is way better !
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Glad you liked! Funny thing is I never even used GB on my S2. Brought my used one home from the shop in early Jan, flashed an early version of CM9 and never looked back Now I'm a devout Slim ICS user. Highly recommended.
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Samsung-based ICS Roms are buttery smooth. All AOxP Roms are not.
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I have only used official samsung roms and ICS stutters a lot. Use GB and ICS next to each other and you can't help thinking ICS is a step back when it comes to scrolling.

AOSP or Stock ?

which one do you guys think ?
I tried both of but I think AOSP is better.
What rom best rom posts are banned on XDA up to you to try them yourself .
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Android Is ReadyTo Play. said:
which one do you guys think ?
I tried both of but I think AOSP is better.
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After trying lots of different ROMS I have found stock to be most reliable on the S3, and by stock I mean Samsung Official Stock.
AOSP while good on the nexus range misses out quite a lot of features the S3
It all comes down to simplicity versus usability. Stock provides great software tricks, but it one heck of a ram hog. I'd still prefer it over aosp though, speed is excellent and the interface is pretty neat.
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[Q] Normal lag on S3?

Is it normal to take many seconds to launch the phone, sms or similar stock apps? I mean.. seriously? Is it normal for a quad core processor to lag with a so simple app? My SGS 1 doesn't take a second... I'm using this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2077844
No . I personally find no lag or very little lag. Use liquid smooth ROM or ultima Rom. Both are extremely smooth and do a full wipe. Make a clean install.
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Or even omega rom with a performance kernel like siyah...
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The idea is not to use custom roms, I prefer to use samsung roms as they're more stable and battery friendly in my experience. By the way, now I'm using the new XXELLC, it's extremely fast and it has a couple of new features... BUT the lag with some of the stock android apps like the phone, contacts or similar is still there. I mean, it's like it takes too much to load the app to the ram, because once the app is loaded, then it starts fast. I don't want to wipe the data because I'm too lazy to restore the apps and their data... lol
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Seicer said:
The idea is not to use custom roms, I prefer to use samsung roms as they're more stable and battery friendly in my experience. By the way, now I'm using the new XXELLC, it's extremely fast and it has a couple of new features... BUT the lag with some of the stock android apps like the phone, contacts or similar is still there. I mean, it's like it takes too much to load the app to the ram, because once the app is loaded, then it starts fast. I don't want to wipe the data because I'm too lazy to restore the apps and their data... lol
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Custom ROMs and kernels are definitely more stable, faster and better battery!
Use Jkay mod if rooted to keep the apps in memory!
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habylab said:
Custom ROMs and kernels are definitely more stable, faster and better battery!
Use Jkay mod if rooted to keep the apps in memory!
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custom ROMs never have been, and never will be, more stable than stock
Glebun said:
custom ROMs never have been, and never will be, more stable than stock
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Completely disagree. Install custom ROM and increase voltage, 100% more stable.
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habylab said:
Completely disagree. Install custom ROM and increase voltage, 100% more stable.
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you don't know what stable means, do you
Glebun said:
you don't know what stable means, do you
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Yep, and voltage will make it more stable. Plus, stock means more likely to be less updated. Unless you are rooted you're almost certainly behind. Won't be able to take a hold of latest performance increases and fixes either.
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Voltage will only make it more stable if the cpu manufacturing defect is above the threshold for normal operations and Samsung's quality control failed to detect it (which is not that uncommen, cpu's are very hard to test, especially in such large numbers)
Usually crashes are caused by software.
Sammy-based roms can be more stable if eg they include a kernel with fixes/bypasses for bugs found in real-world conditions.
At one point Samsung will release a fix but with carriers and ota that may well take weeks to propagate.
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So what ROM is everyone running?

I'm thinking of jumping to the CM nightles, but the new LOTK Rom seems pretty sweet as well.
I've also been thinking of trying out the cleaned up TW ROMs (cleanROM and Hyperdrive). Not really sure what Hyperdrive is, though....
so, yeah. What ROM are you using? Pros, cons?
Running the Jellybeans rom . Everything is running great no issues at all.
I'm running Hyperdrive. Love this ROM!!! I'm also running it on my Note 10.1 and ran it on my SG3. Super smooth and lots of customization options.
Hyperdrive here too.......lots of options to tweak and runs smooth as buttah!
Tried a couple
I tried CM Nightly and AOKP yesterday (both based on stock Android). Both seemed like they were getting close to good daily driver. I'm looking for something based on stock. Both seemed to have GPS issues and AOKP had camera issues as well. I really liked the features on AOKP. (I used to run AOKP on previous phone a GNex). I'll be trying AOKP again soon to see if some of those issues are fixed.
What I really want (may be fantasy) is a stock (or at least stock looking) rom that still has IR blaster, Pedometer & maybe some of the camera features. I also want (again, maybe fantasy) a rom that allows super easy transfer of apps and app data to SD. Right now it looks complicated to transfer and maintain apps on the SD card, especially if one flashes new roms often.
jscarano said:
Running the Jellybeans rom . Everything is running great no issues at all.
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Which rom is this? does it require anothr kernel?
roms
I have run gruesome, hyper drive and beans. ( I think I am an addict. ) they are all really cool. I love the one button kill which is in both gruesome and hyperdrive. beans is also very nice with full blocking mode enabled in one of the framework mods . beans lacks the one button kill though. I have run the faux kernel against all of these a recommend that. I would like to try clean rom next then some of the original development. I love some of the TW fluff. Having said all that, I tried the gruesome wolf rom first so it had to be changed to try more. but I would have probably stuck with it. it was super stable and I am new at this but the thread is super quiet. my money is that their release three will be dope.
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puma1 said:
Which rom is this? does it require anothr kernel?
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I believe the dev recommended on of the two mod kernels. but I ran it without as well. I loved it with faux
I'm on the stock rom. Rooted and flashed a few mods (and added toggles). It's perfect for me and I never lost any data (didn't have to wipe) or apps.
cm nightlies running great for me
No one using paranoid android?
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Using CleanRom 1.1 with Ktoons kernel. If I play it right I think I can get about 6hrs of screen on time.
puma1 said:
Which rom is this? does it require anothr kernel?
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This rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307357 . It doesnt require another kernel .
Jelly beans rom, loved it on my note 2 glad to see it on the s4
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I am also using 'Beans' Rom. Fantastic so far. Flashed it with ktoonsez' kernel and it flies. No issues at all. I like to put Nova launcher on it to get that stock vanilla feel while still having the features and functionality of TouchWiz. Dev did a great job debloating the rom as well. All the useless apps Samsung put on the phone (amazon, trip advisor, etc) were removed. Also the ongoing wifi notification icon is gone which really bugged the crap out of me. All in all, best rom on my GS4 so far. Highly recommended. :good::highfive:
Hyperdrive here damn rom is beast. I'm having np here been my dd since release :thumbup:
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No one using paranoid android?
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I'm watching that thread, but waiting for it to get out a few releases first. I've seen PA in various other areas of XDA (for use on other phones) so I'm confident that its going to be a great ROM even though I haven't personally used it.
With that being said, right now I'm on rooted stock but once Hyperdrive RC3 is released I'll be flashing that (still need to figure out what kernel is recommended)!
I'm currently using CM. It's good so far. I'd be using Hyperdrive, but I get stuck on boot (Samsung Galaxy S4 logo, no padlock). I'm happy with it though, it's a great rom. Spend a day with each rom that seems interesting to you before you make up your mind on what you want to use.
CM is the only ROM I run. I love it.
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I'd love me some somewhat-stock Android (CM or AOKP) but I just love some of the TouchWiz features too much. I don't use any of the gimmicky stuff, but the camera really has some nice things that stock can't even come close to touching.
Hyperdrive ROM for me

De-TW ROM.

So long story short I came from a long line of HTC phones and one of the big things I miss about the ROMs is when the developers would take a stock OTA and debloat everything down to just the basic elements and throw a launcher on it. You would get all of the benefits of the OTA (better camera, better reception, etc) but still have the slimmed down fast OS. AI still have not seen that here. I was wondering if any dev would mind stripping a ROM down or if anyone just feels like I do?
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Why not aosp or cm or any of the other source built roms? Seems like a waste to de touch wiz a rom when those are available. .
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I just want the better camera and reception really.
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I just want the better camera and reception really.
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I know what you're talking about. Its not quite the same, but you could take one of the already debloated ROMs and go through and remove as many system apps as possible before affecting stability and performance.
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mlin said:
I know what you're talking about. Its not quite the same, but you could take one of the already debloated ROMs and go through and remove as many system apps as possible before affecting stability and performance.
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Just pick a nicely debloated ROM and then use a launcher like Holo HD. You can customize the heck out of it...you will never know TW is even there.
I found a really good debloat script for the Note 2. Worked like a dream. I took a debloat ROM and stripped it down even more. I love it. Here is the link for anyone else like me. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1932202
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I just want the better camera and reception really.
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The reception is up to the radio which we can flash separately from any of the roms if we like. Camera I belive you could just pull the app from the new image of the update. Glad the script got you the right set up.
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I found a really good debloat script for the Note 2. Worked like a dream. I took a debloat ROM and stripped it down even more. I love it. Here is the link for anyone else like me. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1932202
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Did you use the flash able zip or the one that needed a computer?
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The reception is up to the radio which we can flash separately from any of the roms if we like. Camera I belive you could just pull the app from the new image of the update. Glad the script got you the right set up.
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Not sure how exactly the note 2 is compared to the S3 that I had, but this isn't necessarily true. CM based roms have to reverse engineer the radio resulting in worse signal and data handoffs relative to touchwiz. As far as I know, there has never been a fully functioning touchwiz camera ported to CM. Correct me if I am wrong.
If you want better signal and camera, touchwiz is your only option. I've flashed dozens of CM based roms, and all have the similar data and csmera issues. Remember, your experience may vary, but this is all relative to touchwiz, which has the proprietary drivers.
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I used a flashable zip. And I also came from a samsung galaxy s 3 and I assume that the camera and radios like you said are reverse engineered. I have a four month old baby so to me I need the camera or my wife will kill me
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Not sure how exactly the note 2 is compared to the S3 that I had, but this isn't necessarily true. CM based roms have to reverse engineer the radio resulting in worse signal and data handoffs relative to touchwiz. As far as I know, there has never been a fully functioning touchwiz camera ported to CM. Correct me if I am wrong.
If you want better signal and camera, touchwiz is your only option. I've flashed dozens of CM based roms, and all have the similar data and csmera issues. Remember, your experience may vary, but this is all relative to touchwiz, which has the proprietary drivers.
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Ahh yeah I've only used tw roms I didn't think about CM

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