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Greetings all,
Well here it is as promised, the fix for the dreaded audio adapter not working after upgradeio flash was of ROM. First of all, I upgraded my ROM and radio to DCD's newest 3.0.0 and radio, which fixed my SelectRadio issue where it dropped out, and looked at the RNC and discovered that it was as I suspected a timer value in the radio ROM was tweaked wrong causing the BER to run away and make the PPP session reinitialize very quickly or go dormant all together, but new radio fixed it. Still we had the audio adapter broken after upgrade issue, so here it is and how to fix it:
First, there is no 'electronics that you have to have' in the adapter as advertised. The problem was that a pin is wired differently in the ones that exibit the problem. The fix is as simple as clipping a wire ! Yep, thats right. Ok, with the connector of the adapter pointed at you, the curved part down, you will notice there are 6 pins on the lower edge. Numbered 1 thru 6 from left to right, pin 1 is unused, 2 is the tip of the 3.5mm jack, 3is unused, 4 & 5 are audio ground (sleve), 6 is the ring on the connector. On the stock adapter and the pigtail sound only adapters that do work properly this is how it is. The ones that mess up are a little different in that pin 1 is shorted to 4 & 5 which did not make a difference before, but really seems to upset any ROM based on 6.1. All you have to do is GENTLY cut the adapter and clip the wire going to pin 1 and all is good, no loss of any functio, it even still powers/charges as this is done by pins 1 & 5 on the top row. A tiny odity is that on some adapters the tip and ring are reversed resulting in left and right channels being reversed, but you can fix or ignore that at your leisure. ENJOY !!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. Maybe a mod would make this easy to find or sticky it ??? I bet many people are wrestling with this easy to fix issue, I know it bugged the stew out of me til I just sat down and figured it out. Thanks for looking at my rant and being patient as I took a long time to follow thru with my promise.
I've read what you posted in both of the adapter threads, and just want to confirm. I have the adapter shown in this link:
http://www.semsons.com/2miusband3st.html
Your fix works on this adapter? I wonder if there is a way to just remove pin 1 from the adapter without having to cut it open. How did you reseal the molded plastic (I assume some sort of glue). Thanks!
Thats the one
MIK1200 said:
I've read what you posted in both of the adapter threads, and just want to confirm. I have the adapter shown in this link:
http://www.semsons.com/2miusband3st.html
Your fix works on this adapter? I wonder if there is a way to just remove pin 1 from the adapter without having to cut it open. How did you reseal the molded plastic (I assume some sort of glue). Thanks!
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Thats the one I am talking about and i was thinking you might just be able to pull the pin but i was worried about damaging the connector.
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This fix works also with the HTC adapter that comes with the device.
Don't cut open the adapter, try to cut the pin 1 from outside in.
Thanks!
Pretty ghetto fix....
But I'll have to try it later, because rigging up 2 adapter and having to plug them in, in a certain order is really sucking.
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P.S. Maybe a mod would make this easy to find or sticky it ??? I bet many people are wrestling with this easy to fix issue, I know it bugged the stew out of me til I just sat down and figured it out. Thanks for looking at my rant and being patient as I took a long time to follow thru with my promise.
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Maybe this could be a Wiki topic
I can't believe this
First of all thank you for saving everyone on this forum money, because now we don't have to buy adapters to try and figure this out.
I spent months without being able to use the adapter and finally broke down and downgraded to the original 2.17 ROM.
Now, I can finally use the adapter again and can't believe that it was so simple all along.
I can't thank you enough.
This modification of the adapter works - I just confirmed it.
Michael
this is great. I now have garmin mobile gps, all my bluetooth devices working, and at last music through my headphones. life is good.
This will be great if I can get it to work. How are you guys removing pin-1? Are you opening the adapter or are you removing from the connector? If your removing from the connector, what are you using?
I took an exacto knife and bent pin 1 up and tried to bend it to get it to break to no avail, so I just bent it up as much as possible and pushed it into the connector hoping it would not short out any other wires, got lucky cause it works now, thanks for the tutorial
OMG!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I just figured it was worth trying this before buying a new one. I used a thread ripper to move pin one around till it was not aligned correctly then i just plugged it into my phone hoping it would break the pin. But it didnt, it bent it way far into the adapter. I thought i was screwed ... but i plugged it in and it works now! THANKS AGAIN!
you are the awesome!
pics?
Can anyone post pics of their "modded" adapter? I'm not new to soldering, but I am new to cutting open a molded rubber piece like this...
sputnik said:
Can anyone post pics of their "modded" adapter? I'm not new to soldering, but I am new to cutting open a molded rubber piece like this...
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Ditto. Can someone post a diagram or picture so we know exactly which one is pin 1.
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Ditto. Can someone post a diagram or picture so we know exactly which one is pin 1.
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This is based off reading madman34's post. I *THINK* this is what you should see when you look at the jack on the PPC6800 and the connector on the audio adapter. Can anyone verify this?
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PPC6800
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| 4 3 2 1 |
| 6 5 4 3 2 1 |
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| 1 2 3 4 |=====|===== to USB*: 1) +5V DC, 2) Data-, 3) Data+, 4) Ground
| 1 2 3 4 5 6 |=====|===== to Headphone**: 1) Unused***, 2) Tip (Left Channel****),
\______________| 3) Unused, 4) & 5) Sleeve (GND),
6) Ring (Right Channel****)
* [URL="http://pinouts.ws/usb-pinout.html"]http://pinouts.ws/usb-pinout.html[/URL] (the 4th physical pin is unused,
and therefore not labeled in these diagrams)
** Based entirely off madman34's research. I have not verified any of this.
*** On non-working adapters, this pin is shorted to 4 & 5. If your adapter does not work,
disconnect the wire leading to the pin or bend the pin back so that it does not make
contact in the jack.
**** Left & Right Channels might be swapped on some adapters.
Thanks for running with this
The diagram is spot on and I think pin 3 might be the microphone line, but have not tested this yet.
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The diagram is spot on and I think pin 3 might be the microphone line, but have not tested this yet.
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If that's the case, then I'd assume that pin 1 would be microphone ground. Are there any audio adapters that also provide microphone input? If so, maybe we should warn people not to cut pin 1 if they plan on using the microphone.
Or maybe it's possible that all of the non-working adapters were built to include microphone support, which for some reason isn't working.
It works!
Thanks!
I didn't get the pin to come out...But I guess it's bent back somewhere...
I used a sewing needle and then used that other adapter that came with the phone to crush it.
Are you people screwing with the port on your phone or the connector on the adapter? I personally would NEVER mess with my phone to get some adapter working.
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Are you people screwing with the port on your phone or the connector on the adapter? I personally would NEVER mess with my phone to get some adapter working.
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we are only talking about messing with the adapter's, not the phone......my adapter cost only $4 so I didn't have much at risk here
You DID NOT do that did you?
Otter said:
It works!
Thanks!
I didn't get the pin to come out...But I guess it's bent back somewhere...
I used a sewing needle and then used that other adapter that came with the phone to crush it.
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Otter, the way you put that it sounds like you did mess with the pin on the phone. Please say that we read this wrong as I meant only to alter the cheap adapter and never the phone.
Does anyone know if a TV out cacle is available or even possible on the micro usb connection of the Slide? I am about to go on vacation and need to keep the kids entertained without dragging a DVD player along with us. I am curious if HTC gas the same setup as far as pin count on this one as thet did on their micro plug. Any input on the subject is apreciated.
here's the best I can find. I didn't spend a huge amount of time so I may have missed one that may work better but here is a micro usb to mini usb adapter and then I know there are TONS of mini usb tv out cables out there so this setup may work for you. I did not see any micro usb tv out cables anywhere which I found odd. anyway, here's the link to the adapter I found, you may find something even cheaper:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/...7&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335
Thanks for the info. The only thing I worry about is HTC mini usb jacks have a lot more pins than standard mini usb jacks. It was a great idea in its day, though I am sure there are better ones now. Any adapter would have to be the HTC. Style output, and I don't even know if there is an "HTC" micro usb output.
As far as I understand, the extra pins on the HTC mini-usb plug were:
1x Ground
2x R/L sound Out
1x Mic In
These just carried an analog signal.
Since HTC is now defaulting a 3.5mm jack on almost all phones, these type mini-usb plugs are becoming obsolete.
The regular Data +/- and +/-5v pins never changed, which is what carried the digital signal for video/sound out.
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Sent from my MT3GS running SlideM
So there is hope with the adapter? Hopefully the phone is capable.
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Does anyone know if a TV out cacle is available or even possible on the micro usb connection of the Slide? I am about to go on vacation and need to keep the kids entertained without dragging a DVD player along with us. I am curious if HTC gas the same setup as far as pin count on this one as thet did on their micro plug. Any input on the subject is apreciated.
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Try looking for the cable designed for the Droid Incredible, I believe I saw that for one of my customers at T-Mobile by looking on Google.
yeah the droid incredible cable will work
Thanks, I will have to order one. Hope I get it in time. Much apreciated.
The question that hasn't been answered yet is "is the slide capable of tv-out?"
Good question. I haven't seen this feature advertised at all for this phone, including on T-Mobile internal documentation, so I very much doubt that it is capable of TV out. That would be awesome to find out it is, though!
I'm sure with a bit of tinkering, it would, but with the resolution and low GPU speeds, would it be worth it?
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using Tapatalk
ive read that the slide has a basic usb connector 4 or 5 pin
where as other phones .. incredible have 7 or 8 pin connectors.
htc's spec pages tell everything you want to know
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So there is hope with the adapter? Hopefully the phone is capable.
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Kinda where I was headed with all this.
So, any luck in getting video out? Thanks
This phone don't have tv out.
Has anyone come across a cigarette lighter mount for the GSM TP2 that will also charge the device? It has to be for the GSM version as the CDMA ones have their usb port mounted slightly to the left of center where the GSM versions are mounted.
I found two different ones so far. One is a universal one made by Arkon and seems to be less sturdy than it should be. It has a pass-through 12v port to plug in a charger to it. It only concerns me that the way it is made, it seems to not be sturdy enough based on the reviews.
The other one is made by iGrip and is pretty nice. It is made for the TP2, but it has no power option at all. If this would have a charging port on it, it would be perfect.
Anyone else seen any other options?
here in the netherlands you can buy them and they support paypal if im correct
http://www.mytrendyphone.nl/shop/htc-touch-pro2-54906c1.html
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here in the netherlands you can buy them and they support paypal if im correct
http://www.mytrendyphone.nl/shop/htc-touch-pro2-54906c1.html
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Sorry, but I didn't see any mount for the Rhodium on the linked page. Thanks anyway.
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Anyone else seen any other options?
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I use this: http://www.bracketron.com/products/universal-usb-power-dock
I got it from Radio Shack with a 1 year warranty just in case. I did have it break on me but that's because I wasn't using it right. I was within the 30 day return period so i returned it an got a new one. If you do get it make sure you press the red button when adjusting the angle. I would still recommend ti since it has everything I was looking for. I doubt you'll be able to have the keyboard open, but why would you need it open while driving?
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I use this: http://www.bracketron.com/products/universal-usb-power-dock
I got it from Radio Shack with a 1 year warranty just in case. I did have it break on me but that's because I wasn't using it right. I was within the 30 day return period so i returned it an got a new one. If you do get it make sure you press the red button when adjusting the angle. I would still recommend ti since it has everything I was looking for. I doubt you'll be able to have the keyboard open, but why would you need it open while driving?
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I'm still searching for something similar. I like that one, I'm just worried about having the charging cable hanging out of it. The plug only needs to be a standard USB plug. I would imagine there would be another phone or device that would require something of this sort. Also, I don't need the keyboard open while using this.
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I'm still searching for something similar. I like that one, I'm just worried about having the charging cable hanging out of it. The plug only needs to be a standard USB plug. I would imagine there would be another phone or device that would require something of this sort. Also, I don't need the keyboard open while using this.
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Yea that's what I initially wanted when I set out my search but ended up settling for this. My apologizes on accusing you of wanting to use the keyboard while driving. After re-reading your op I didn't see that mentioned like I thought I did before. For charging my phone I use one of these pretty good quality and it comes with a micro usb adapter which i liked since a lot of newer phones are using this. Best wishes on your search!!
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Yea that's what I initially wanted when I set out my search but ended up settling for this. My apologizes on accusing you of wanting to use the keyboard while driving. After re-reading your op I didn't see that mentioned like I thought I did before. For charging my phone I use one of these pretty good quality and it comes with a micro usb adapter which i liked since a lot of newer phones are using this. Best wishes on your search!!
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Hmmmm..... That combined with the universal mount you posted might actually work nicely. I was concerned about my current HTC car charger as it has a rather long cord. This would likely eliminate that mess. I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
Anyone know where I could find a short miniUSB to USB cable. Something like 2" or so would be fine. This might be able to complete the homebrew mount I'm working on.
Short USB Cable
Amazon.com has a 1ft cable (can't post links yet) and 3 ft cables, although I haven't seen any 2ft cables. If you need 2ft you could pick up a gender changer (also available on amazon) and link two 1ft cables together.
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Amazon.com has a 1ft cable (can't post links yet) and 3 ft cables, although I haven't seen any 2ft cables. If you need 2ft you could pick up a gender changer (also available on amazon) and link two 1ft cables together.
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That's a 2" (inch) cable I am looking for. Thanks anyway, though. I'm hoping I won't have to make one. Making USB cables is not fun.
Just wondering has anyone tried/thought about the feasibility of modding a Palm Pre touchstone charger for use in an atrix? would it be extremely difficult to do so?
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Just wondering has anyone tried/thought about the feasibility of modding a Palm Pre touchstone charger for use in an atrix? would it be extremely difficult to do so?
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As per post on engadget it's not so complicated
thantos said:
Just wondering has anyone tried/thought about the feasibility of modding a Palm Pre touchstone charger for use in an atrix? would it be extremely difficult to do so?
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xboxexpert posted a tutorial for this on a nook color here . Looks easy enough and the same method should apply.
Hmmm.. interesting.. only wished someone would have tried previously to know if it'd fit inside the battery cover...
After looking at the iFixIt teardown for the Atrix I'm not thinking this would be a straight forward process.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Teardown/4964/2
Boards aren't my strong point but it looks as though the +/- may be under the usb connector housing.
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After looking at the iFixIt teardown for the Atrix I'm not thinking this would be a straight forward process.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Teardown/4964/2
Boards aren't my strong point but it looks as though the +/- may be under the usb connector housing.
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Need a better shot, but it looks like you can still hit the resistor between the two ground posts. Going to need some thin wire though.
I am curious to know if anyone will attempt this.
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I am curious to know if anyone will attempt this.
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Don't think I'm going to sacrifice my Atrix to the hardware mod gods. Enjoying it too much and not terribly interested in dropping the money to replace it if it doesn't work out.
I don't know if I will be doing the mod, but these are some of the tips I would follow if i decided to. If I do it I'll post pictures..
1st:
Be sure to use the Palm Pixi's back cover with the smaller circuit board - this one.
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2nd:
You might wanna consider buying this case since its thicker and you can dig a little bit if the circuit doesn't fit the standard battery door.
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In many phones the metal that keeps the memory card in place is the ground (-).
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I'm sure there's an easy (+) pin you can solder to - so far i haven't found one, but many people cut a usb plug to fit inside the usb female socket and route the cables somehow (Watch the first video below). You have to remove the cut usb in order to use it with computer, also its quite ugly. The best, but very hard way is to solder the (+) wire directly to where the usb socket is soldered to the phone's circuit board .This I'll leave to a jewelry craftsman, I know, with lots of experience. MAKE SHURE YOU KNOW WHICH PIN IS THE POSITIVE!!! For polarity of the palm pixi's circuit boat refer to the first picture.
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I know its a bit difficult, but... that's the way it is.
Useful links:
Galaxy S Mod.
First HD2 Mod.
Same mod but with extended battery (Not good looking)
You have probably seen this.
A lot of people forget to do this.
YOU ARE WELCOME!!!
I bought some of the pixi components and will try this out without the requirement of soldering.. I've been thinking.. is there any way to use the leads from the battery as the connection point as opposed to soldering directly to the port? Or is there a voltage regulator that I'd have to go through first...
First, you should try if it's really charging Atrix (batt's percentage going up), because it needs more current than standart phone.
But i'm thinking of modyfing my own, but with less invasive method
I wouldn't take apart my atrix again. I may have killed my first one getting my screen out. Those ribbon cables are a pain, and well, you might not need to remove the flex cables (the black flat ones), but if you do, you are most times pulling up the temp sensor too, and that thing never goes back!!
Just make sure you are good at what you do
Why not solder the the inductive piece to a chunk of mini usb cable first ? Completely non invasive and you'll be able to prove it works before you solder to the phone.
That was what I was considering. Unfortunate that the variances for the attrix are so tight.
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Why not solder the the inductive piece to a chunk of mini usb cable first ? Completely non invasive and you'll be able to prove it works before you solder to the phone.
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If you're going to do that, you may as well just buy one that's already made.
I meant to do that as proof of concept. If it charger, take it apart and hide it under the battery cover.
Does anyone tried the Palm inductive charger with Atrix? Does it really work?
I just got mine in - will try it soon.
Let me ask you guys this...
1) Whats the point of all this?
Really? What is the point? The cool form factor? Bragging rights? It seems like
a big inconvenience for me, especially when you will need to take your charger somewhere.
Anyways, seems like a lot of work for just the convenience of not plugging in a mini usb cable.
Anyways, good luck and I hope you guys have fun
Perhaps you are right about it.
But whats the point in buying a lapdock or media dock when you can just get a laptop? What's the point in rooting or unlocking your phone? You could easily just leave it stock and most of the functions will work just fine.
Call it a hobby or challenge or a convenience or whatever. I made this thread merely asking for technical help. Not snide commentary that is counter productive.
Hello everyone,
I understand that the GPS Dongle for the Prime occupies the ASUS 40-pin, which means it won't allow the dock to be used. I'm just wondering whether it is possible in the future to have a cable with compatible ends at both side? Of course it should be male/female to be used with the dock's left hand side female.
This way, theoretically, I would be a able to use my Prime, dock and the GPS Dongle all together while travelling. But I'm not sure that it's possible, even if such cable exists... sometime in the future.
Probably some of you out there have any opinions regarding this matter.
No cable for this currently exists.
However one could be made, if the connector is a straight pass through then it would work. If the connector however only utilizes certain pins then it would either need to be modified or replaced.
Either way it will take some experimentation.
The easy way for now is to remove the device form the plastic housing and plug it into the dock to see if it works.
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No cable for this currently exists.
However one could be made, if the connector is a straight pass through then it would work. If the connector however only utilizes certain pins then it would either need to be modified or replaced.
Either way it will take some experimentation.
The easy way for now is to remove the device form the plastic housing and plug it into the dock to see if it works.
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Yes, I understand that it cannot be done at this moment. But theoretically it might work, right? Or is there something in the dock prevents the GPS to get connected to the Prime? Such thing like, power line (charging) is more priority and is using the same pins?
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Yes, I understand that it cannot be done at this moment. But theoretically it might work, right? Or is there something in he dock prevents the GPS to get connected to the Prime? Such thing like, power line (charging) is more priority and is using the same pins?
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Theoretically time travel is possible, anyhing is possible theoretically,
But to answer your question, no there are no pins which share data/power.
The only worry is that the dock female connector may only be power and ground, no data, I know this to not be true as I rooted while in the dock, so all pins pass through from what I can tell.
It looks like for ease of manufacture all o the connectors are the same on the tablet, the dock and the dock plug.
A wire or new housing should be easy enough to fab up.
I will test this tonight.
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Theoretically time travel is possible, anyhing is possible theoretically,
But to answer your question, no there are no pins which share data/power.
The only worry is that the dock female connector may only be power and ground, no data, I know this to not be true as I rooted while in the dock, so all pins pass through from what I can tell.
It looks like for ease of manufacture all o the connectors are the same on the tablet, the dock and the dock plug.
A wire or new housing should be easy enough to fab up.
I will test this tonight.
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gps dongle doesnt work when plugged into the dock, i tried it and the dongle isnt recognized. The dock doesnt have the proper lines routed to the connector.
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gps dongle doesnt work when plugged into the dock, i tried it and the dongle isnt recognized. The dock doesnt have the proper lines routed to the connector.
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Thanks for testing this out.
This means we will need to open the dock and connect the lines that are not connected if we wish for this to work.
Though it seems to me that this may be a specific doc pin being recognized...
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gps dongle doesnt work when plugged into the dock, i tried it and the dongle isnt recognized. The dock doesnt have the proper lines routed to the connector.
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Thanks a lot...
a little bit pity 'though, since I have a plan to use them all together on the road.
im currently in the process of tracking down which pins are used in the dongle, unfortunately i only have one dock and its too expensive for me to start ripping it apart however hopefully with the information im gathering and information others are gathering we can get a pinout for the dongle as well as the prime and dock to better understand how everything works
I am having difficulty with Asus support. Would like to buy a GPS Dongle if a member does not need it. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25705747#post25705747
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I am having difficulty with Asus support. Would like to buy a GPS Dongle if a member does not need it. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25705747#post25705747
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I have an extra one i could prolly get to you, you would have to pay for shipping and whatnot.... check your PM's and send me an email.
more experiments
flyingwolf said:
Theoretically time travel is possible, anyhing is possible theoretically,
But to answer your question, no there are no pins which share data/power.
The only worry is that the dock female connector may only be power and ground, no data, I know this to not be true as I rooted while in the dock, so all pins pass through from what I can tell.
It looks like for ease of manufacture all o the connectors are the same on the tablet, the dock and the dock plug.
A wire or new housing should be easy enough to fab up.
I will test this tonight.
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I have one of the SD CARD adapters for the prime (I purchased while waiting for the keyboard). I plugged it into the keyboard power port with an SD CARD inserted and the prime did NOT see it.
I think the port on the keyboard is power only