Greetings,
I know the easy answer to this is going to be to flash a new rom, but if I wanted to do that I would have already. I'd rather find and repair the source of the issue and learn from it.
That being said, shortly after getting my tbolt (when they were first released) I used the revolutionary root and added in VPN software for work. Being unaware that OTA updates hadn't been blocked during the rooting, the phone took an update and went into a death-boot-loop. I found a clean updated OTA rom, flashed and unrooted the phone as the VPN software didn't work well for what I intended anyway.
Great, now the phone is all back to stock (or so I thought).. After a while, another OTA update came down, it asked to update, I allowed, and it said update failed.. Repeat ad nauseum for the next several weeks. Since I was happy with the way the phone was operating, I didn't care if it got the updates or not.
So last week, I decided that since the phone is out of warranty anyway, I might as well root and get rid of some of the bloat, and while I'm at it, get rid of the damn nag screen every tine I hook it to a computer. Searched around, found thunderbolt tool 1.0.1, downed it and tried it out, and it proceeded to say unable to lock my phone.
After a little screwing around, the "update status" on the phone itself reports ROM Version: 2.11.605.9, while the tool was getting a response of 2.11.605.5, so it was using the wrong method to get into the phone. So I edited the batch file to use the .9 method no matter what it reported back, and it proceeded to root, add the recovery, and superuser.
Ahhh, life is good, the phone is rooted again, time to start doing my own customization.
Except that after a couple reboots, everything loses the root rights.
Running titanium backup says "asking for root rights" and then "titanium has been granted superuser permissions" but it just hangs there at the "asking for root rights" screen.
Wireless tether similar story... Start the app and it says "press to start tethering" and touching the screen gets "wireless tethering has been granted superuser permissions", then hangs at "please wait while starting".
Won't do anything that requires root, unless I run the tool again and select "S-off but no root", and it will go through a procedure and root will work again for a while.
Also, as I'm typing this, I discovered that it doesn't necessarily require rebooting to lose root. I had root working last night, but when I picked up the phone to get the proper messages to type, it is not showing root again, and it hasn't been rebooted since root was working.
Thoughts on how to repair this without flashing a rom?
Have you attempted to run the "fix permissions" option in your recovery?
If that does not help, You could use something like OTA RootKeeper to protect root, if you loose it you would just click one button to get it back.
Last thing I can think of is to just reflash the same ROM you are using now on top of what you have so you loose no data and any messed up settings or files will be rewrote.
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You should really think about installing a custom ROM, because until you do, or you block OTA updates, this will be a reoccurring issue.
You could easily install a stock rooted ROM of the exact same thing you have now. nothing would change except it would be properly rooted and OTA updates would be blocked.
That is because only temp root is applied to the official 605.19 Ruu. You need to downgrade back to 605.5 after getting temp root on the 605.19 Ruu then apply the perm root zip in recovery and then flash a newer rom from recovery. If that doesn't work don't lose hope. I may be misunderstanding the situation you have but it sounds like you're only applying temp root. The tool doesn't need to be edited and you may need to flash the 605.19 stock Ruu, relock and s on and then run the tool again.
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Milimbar said:
Have you attempted to run the "fix permissions" option in your recovery?
If that does not help, You could use something like -edit- to protect root, if you loose it you would just click one button to get it back.
Last thing I can think of is to just reflash the same ROM you are using now on top of what you have so you loose no data and any messed up settings or files will be rewrote.
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You should really think about installing a custom ROM, because until you do, or you block OTA updates, this will be a reoccurring issue.
You could easily install a stock rooted ROM of the exact same thing you have now. nothing would change except it would be properly rooted and OTA updates would be blocked.
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Haven't seen the fix permissions option anywhere I've been, care to point me in the right direction?
I'll check out the rootkeeper.
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That is because only temp root is applied to the official 605.19 Ruu. You need to downgrade back to 605.5 after getting temp root on the 605.19 Ruu then apply the perm root zip in recovery and then flash a newer rom from recovery. If that doesn't work don't lose hope. I may be misunderstanding the situation you have but it sounds like you're only applying temp root. The tool doesn't need to be edited and you may need to flash the 605.19 stock Ruu, relock and s on and then run the tool again.
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Never took the .19 update, and both the tool and phone report as .05 now. (if I remember correctly the .09 reverts back to .05 to get in)
damm315er said:
Haven't seen the fix permissions option anywhere I've been, care to point me in the right direction?
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What recovery are you using?
I only use 4ext and would recommend that.
The fix permissions will take up to 5 min and may not help your particular issue, but shouldn't hurt to try.
If 4ext - Boot into recovery, select tools then select fix permissions.
If CWM I think its in the advanced menu.
and If TWRP I think it is in the advanced menu again.
Good luck and listen to the others here, they go out of their way to help people a lot
Ok earlier I misread your post. I thought it said 605.19. Still though something you're doing is causing you to only get temp root. Reread the op of the allinone tool and make sure you meet the requirements before you start it. That away when you run it this time you are in the best possible situation for it to work. Trter is very helpful and if you post your issue in his thread he will probably assist you with anything you need.
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I remember having a similar problem about 6-7 months ago.
I would randomly loose root, though not as often as he is describing.
In my case it was a combination of an outdated root method and a flawed ROM.
If everything he is using is current, including the ROM, he shouldn't have an issue.
If it were me I would flash Santod's stock deodexed ROM and be done with it.
It is the stock ROM with nothing changed except it is prerooted.
I understand that you would like to "fix" this issue without flashing a ROM, however the ROM itself could be the problem. this solution is the simplest I can think of.
Using everything from the thunderbolt toolkit, so yes, 4ext.
Found and ran the fix permissions, ran for 15 minutes before it finished so we'll see how it goes.
I get what you're saying about the rom being screwed up, and am starting to think my only choice is to reflash it, so I'll start looking into a new rom.. That being said I'm still pursuing fixing this until I find a rom that serves my purpose.
Is there a good stable ICS for thunderbolt, pre-loaded with root and good battery life?
Yea the one in the post above yours. If you want something a that is faster and has better battery than it then head over to infectedrom.com and check out all the different options santod has made.
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Okay, so I haven't as of yet seen a thread that appears to spell out this process. Most of you are talking about applying developer-modified patches to get to DI01, using Clockwork recovery, and things like that. For various reasons, some of us prefer to remain a bit closer to stock, and not worry about bricking with custom recovery software and whatnot. I'm one of those people, and I've seen questions here and there on how to go back to stock, and if root can be maintained or redone afterward, etc., so I decided to document here what I did to apply the official update to my rooted and lag-fixed Fascinate. Without further ado, here's the process I followed:
Ran the unlagfixme.bat script from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=779597, which automatically reboots the phone
Used Root Explorer to remove the ".old" extension I had added to all system .apk files I considered bloatware (I chose to disable them, not delete them)
Rebooted the phone again for good measure
Downloaded the update, and let it install normally, after which root access was gone as expected (Superuser.apk and other apps that required root access were still present, but they wouldn't function)
Rooted my Fascinate again per the instructions in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=779238, just like I did the first time (only had to do it once, not twice like some here have said); note that I followed all instructions except for the final one, which is installing Superuser.apk, as that application was still installed, and still worked fine after applying the proper permissions to su and busybox
Opened Root Explorer, and once again added .old to all .apk files that I wanted to disable and remove from sight
Rebooted again
Ran the lagfixme.bat from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=779597 to re-apply the lag fix
Rebooted one final time to make sure everything was in still good working order
So there it is. I'm still running stock ROM, stock recovery, etc. I should be able to easily repeat this process any time there's a new OTA update, with minimal risk of bricking.
Helpful thanks, but I think I screwed up.
SO I got the OTA update message this morning. I have root and lagfix installed, and I ran the OTA. Everything works but I no longer have root access. SO I think I screwed up. Newb right. SO do I have to go back to the stock image? What do I need to do to recover while retaining my contacts apps etcetera. Thanks
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SO I got the OTA update message this morning. I have root and lagfix installed, and I ran the OTA. Everything works but I no longer have root access. SO I think I screwed up. Newb right. SO do I have to go back to the stock image? What do I need to do to recover while retaining my contacts apps etcetera. Thanks
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Just re-root, either through adb or there was a one-click out there.
Yeah, just re-root using the original procedure you used (except no need to reinstall superuser.apk), and you should be good to go.
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Thanks for taking the time to write that up Ivorycruncher!
How would this process differ when the Froyo update is released, also having ClockworkMod Recovery installed instead of stock recovery?
I, like you, would like to have legitimate updates installed while keeping root.
I've never installed Clockwork, so I can't comment on that. When Froyo comes out, I imagine the process will be much the same, though at this point there's no way to know if the original rooting method will still work or not after the upgrade. Also, depending on what they do with Froyo, the lag fix may not be necessary anymore, and might not work without some tweaking even if it is still needed.
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Ok, so apparently you cant just click reject on the verizon update and expect it to never come again. Every single day, sometimes twice per day they try and push their stupid update to my phone. Is there anyway to permanently disable OS updates? Getting tired of this.
If you are rooted use root explorer or super manager and set system to R/W. Then navigate to /system/etc/security. Find the file named otacerts.zip and rename it to otacerts.zip.bak and reboot. Should fix you up.
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Not rooted, there is no other way?
Sure. You root your phone and follow the steps in post 2.
Just messing with you. Looks likes there's no other way.
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Sorry to bump an old post, but FYI this worked. For anyone who might be wanting to do the same without adding custom roms. Root process took a little while but EasyRoot eventually nailed it.
Actually, this did NOT work. Verizon is still trying to update my phone! And I hear doing an OTA update after root can seriously mess stuff up. I renamed the file, rebooted, twice even, and I still catch my phone auto-downloading this goddamn update without even asking for permission anymore!!!!!
Do I have to just flash a new rom or something to finally get rid of this trash? I really like the stock rom without the bloat. I de-bloated it myself since all of the debloat links for other roms are dead and the authors refuse to allow mirroring so they can make money on their links. :thumbsup:
Yea, just have to bite the bullet and flash a new rom. I had the same issue with my Galaxy Tab when I went back to stock, except it wouldn't apply the update, just reboot and pester me again. Of course you know the benefits and pitfalls of rooting, might i suggest trying a clean 2.3 rom with Sense 3.0? You will practically have a new device.
Also, of you never had a Vanilla device try pur3a05p. They have a great offering.
Cast by the Odinson's mighty Mjolnir!
Help.
I have a rooted Thunderbolt and I have been able to reject the update from Verizon until this afternoon when my phone started to update on its own. The update didn't go through and I got an error icon. Now my phone just goes through the same cycle of turning it self off and trying to update and crashing.
I am able to get to the Clockwork Mod recovery page but the only option that works is the 'reboot system now', which starts the phone and the whole cycle of trying to update is started.
Does anyone have an idea of how to get my phone working again?
Thanks in advance.
Mike
I'm really sorry to hear that happened, I'm not sure what you can do. Hopefully someone will be able to help you out. But at least I can tell you that you are not alone! I wasn't rooted, but my phone did autoupdate on its own at about 2:30pm today.
I posted about it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1234844
Pull your SDcard, wipe the pg05img.zip file, and try again. You might have to reflash clockwork.
This is the problem with running rooted stock ROMs. I know flashing a new ROM isn't what a noob wants to do, but it will avoid these very confusing headaches.
whats if you rooted using revolutionary? As far as i know there wont be that pg05img.zip file to delete.
Would you always be in danger is this if you are rooted and stay stock?
Why would someone want to root their phone and stay stock ??????
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loonatik78 said:
This is the problem with running rooted stock ROMs
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Nope. One only has to keep up with the current releases, rooted versions of which come out within days of official release.
Are you sure it is the Verizon update?
I have the same behavior on my T-bolt since about 10 pst today. However, just before the phone shuts down to reboot, I see a note about a new version of Clockworkmod Recovery 4.0.1.5.
So I have been working on the assumption that it is CWM Recovery that is doing an automatic update.
I also am running rooted stock, and have not updated to latest release.
OK, it isn't the update to CWM Recovery that is the problem; it is the Verizon OTA update, which they have figured out how to force on us. I fixed my phone using the solution given by Mike later in this thread.
jbh00jh said:
Why would someone want to root their phone and stay stock ??????
Sent from my Verizon LTE 4G Thunderbolt
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Debloating. Stock is pretty damn nice without all the extra crap.
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Debloating. Stock is pretty damn nice without all the extra crap.
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This, plus "root while you can" - there's no guarantee that rooting will be possible with each subsequent (unrooted) release, but you can root now and stay rooted to keep your options open. Also, getting full backups of everything is easier when rooted.
Did the fix work?
Mike, did you try what loonatik suggested? Did it work? Waiting breathlessly...
Unless I am misunderstanding the problem wiping cache from Clockwork recovery should clear out the update and it will quit trying to install it. For the future if you go to settings in the about phone or software update section (dont remeber which) there is an option to de-select scheduled update checks.
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Wait.. what? Most ROMs I've seen are debloated.. At the very least they have VZW crap removed
Thanks guys for all your help and interest. I tried the solution offered by lunatic but it did not work. Thanks any way I was still looping through continuous on and off cycle. I did however did find a solution on another site. Here is the solution from Sele.
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/forum/htc-thundebolt-hacking-guides/2257-rs-guide-how-get-rid-ota-forced-reboots-rooted-phone.html
It was easier fix than I thought it would be. Step #1 worked.
I also did this to stop the update from happening again.
"If you are rooted use root explorer or super manager and set system to R/W. Then navigate to /system/etc/security. Find the file named otacerts.zip and rename it to otacerts.zip.bak and reboot. Should fix you up."
I'm sorry I can't remember who offered this solution to give credit to. I haven't had any updates yet but only time will tell.
Good Luck with your phone.
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Unless I am misunderstanding the problem wiping cache from Clockwork recovery should clear out the update and it will quit trying to install it. For the future if you go to settings in the about phone or software update section (dont remeber which) there is an option to de-select scheduled update checks.
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Yes you are correct wiping the cache fixed the problem.
mjkusa said:
Thanks guys for all your help and interest. I tried the solution offered by lunatic but it did not work. Thanks any way I was still looping through continuous on and off cycle. I did however did find a solution on another site. Here is the solution from Sele.
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/forum/htc-thundebolt-hacking-guides/2257-rs-guide-how-get-rid-ota-forced-reboots-rooted-phone.html
It was easier fix than I thought it would be. Step #1 worked.
I also did this to stop the update from happening again.
"If you are rooted use root explorer or super manager and set system to R/W. Then navigate to /system/etc/security. Find the file named otacerts.zip and rename it to otacerts.zip.bak and reboot. Should fix you up."
I'm sorry I can't remember who offered this solution to give credit to. I haven't had any updates yet but only time will tell.
Good Luck with your phone.
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Definitely a handy resource.. Every time a new OTA comes out, this is a very frequently asked question.
I suppose you could always use an RUU too
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Nope. One only has to keep up with the current releases, rooted versions of which come out within days of official release.
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Based on how many of these threads I see, that clearly isn't what's being done.
I just got a CLNR Rezound with the 1.xxx software--if I temp-root to debloat will the OTA still take, or will it fail? Is there a reason to want the 2.xxx software over the 1.xxx? I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm still trying to figure the Rezound out. Seems awesome, so far.
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I can confirm that I had removed QUITE a bit of bloat, but the OTA still self-installed on my phone. I was not temp rooted at that moment.
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I can confirm that I had removed QUITE a bit of bloat, but the OTA still self-installed on my phone. I was not temp rooted at that moment.
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Did it reinstall all the garbage? I'm basically just going to strip everything out.
Seems Ok
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Did it reinstall all the garbage? I'm basically just going to strip everything out.
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I don't recall 100% of what I removed, but I remember NFL something was one thing, and its still gone. So is VZW Navigator. Seems it did not reinstall those items; but I suspect if it was going to update something you removed, that would come back.
New bloat was installed (e.g., Verizon Location), per other threads.
Rezound OTA
I had used CleanTOOL to debloat and the OTA update would download ok but would not load. I tried it several times. I went back into CleanTOOL and rebloated, and the update loaded just fine the first time, though I had to wait overnight until I could download it again.
Now, of course, I can't temp boot and CleanTOOL no longer works. I hope this OTA update is worth it.
For me the OTA keeps downloading but it doesn't seem to want to install. I have frozen some of the bloated apps using the temp root method. This is the 2nd day in a row where I have caught the phone downloading the firmware update. I'm unsure what I can do to start it because it looks like it just retrys over and over without any success.
Why not just perma root? You can download cons otarom, completely debloat, dont have to worry about the turning off and having to re root? Heck, use TI and you can save all the bloat, and put them back on at anytime if you so desire.
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For me the OTA keeps downloading but it doesn't seem to want to install. I have frozen some of the bloated apps using the temp root method. This is the 2nd day in a row where I have caught the phone downloading the firmware update. I'm unsure what I can do to start it because it looks like it just retrys over and over without any success.
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You can do a factory reset and accept the OTA but iirc you cannot temp root again afterwards though, but I believe you can perm root afterwards. But while you are temp rooted you might want to back up your settings and apps with Titanium backup or MyBackup first.
Don't take my word on perm rooting though, search first if you want to perm root. But I believe that since you can unlock the bootloader you can perm root by flashing Amon Ra recovery then installing su with that, but the one-click perm root won't work any more.
I think I had used CleanTool as well, I love my Rezound and really wanted the bloat off. The update downloaded 3 times and then didn't install. I gave up and did the factory reset. Although I hate bloat, really I am happy with Sense and the way the phone itself functions so I didn't feel the need to do a full root.
I recently got s-off, updated from 1.15 to 2.06, installed abp and also flashed a no ads zip file for good measure because some ads would still get through. Everything was going great until the phone randomly froze. I held down the power button and rebooted into recovery and cleared my cache and dalvik cache, thinking that may have been the problem. Upon rebooting after that, I come to find out I've lost my root access. This is so weird. I am still s-off and have the 2222222 confirmation shown when I am in the bootloader, I still have super user installed, but when I run an app that needs root, such as adaway, it says I don't have root. I downloaded root checker and it confirmed that I didn't have root. I don't understand how this could have happened. Is there anyway to regain root? I have been having the worst luck with this phone :\
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I recently got s-off, updated from 1.15 to 2.06, installed abp and also flashed a no ads zip file for good measure because some ads would still get through. Everything was going great until the phone randomly froze. I held down the power button and rebooted into recovery and cleared my cache and dalvik cache, thinking that may have been the problem. Upon rebooting after that, I come to find out I've lost my root access. This is so weird. I am still s-off and have the 2222222 confirmation shown when I am in the bootloader, I still have super user installed, but when I run an app that needs root, such as adaway, it says I don't have root. I downloaded root checker and it confirmed that I didn't have root. I don't understand how this could have happened. Is there anyway to regain root? I have been having the worst luck with this phone :\
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Send me a PM if you want me to help you out. You need to install a custom recovery and use that to install a rooted rom and kernel. It can be a stock rooted rom. Or mostly stock however you want to do it, I'll help you set it up and teach you some things along the way.
I can teach you all kinds of things via team viewer, it wont take long and it's a necessity for having a rooted phone in my opinion. I know it can be frustrating and over whelming but it will get better I promise.
Oh and also you don't need to worry about losing s off. It's at a much lower level than anything you've mentioned touching. So it will always be there regardless because you definitely don't want to be messing with hboots or s off type stuff.
Hey, I PMed you.
Try uninstalling superuser and installing either supersu or the other superuser.
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I can't uninstall my Superuser unless I use Titanium Backup. I tried installing SuperSU (while still having my original Superuser installed) and the SuperSU said that "There is no SU binary installed"
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I can't uninstall my Superuser unless I use Titanium Backup. I tried installing SuperSU (while still having my original Superuser installed) and the SuperSU said that "There is no SU binary installed"
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I got your PM. I'll pick your brain about the ideal setup for your needs and how you use the DNA via gtalk. Then we'll make a plan of attack and you can update the thread with your solutions opinions etc.
As long as your opinion of me is good. Otherwise, it's prohibited. I have a green title and seniority rules
HTC EVO CyanogenMod Cant use BEATS AUDIO
CharliesTheMan said:
Send me a PM if you want me to help you out. You need to install a custom recovery and use that to install a rooted rom and kernel. It can be a stock rooted rom. Or mostly stock however you want to do it, I'll help you set it up and teach you some things along the way.
I can teach you all kinds of things via team viewer, it wont take long and it's a necessity for having a rooted phone in my opinion. I know it can be frustrating and over whelming but it will get better I promise.
Oh and also you don't need to worry about losing s off. It's at a much lower level than anything you've mentioned touching. So it will always be there regardless because you definitely don't want to be messing with hboots or s off type stuff.
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I need help with rooting my HTC EVO to stock or CyanogenMod. With CyanogenMod my phone will not play audio/BEATS or will not open
PLAYSTORE.
How to get root back after subsequent apps are denied root?
Over the last year, this has happened several times while having different custom roms installed. It happened several times with my Galaxy S4 and S5, and recently with my Galaxy Tab S 10.5. I have not lost root on my Nexus 7 (2013). The common denominator appears to be the Samsung devices.
Through SuperSu, I have removed root, rebooted, and installed root again with CF-Root which has not given me root access.
The only way I have been able to recover to date is to do a factory rest. It is interesting to note that I would have thought that the factory rest would take me back to the Samsung rom but in the last two time that I did this on either device, I ended up with the custom rom that I just had but without root or custom recovery.
To go back to a Samsung rom, I would think that if I started the device in download mode and did a flash with odin.
But rather than go through this, is there a reason why this happens and/or is there a way to avoid it?
Lastly, is there a true way of getting root back once it stops granting root?
cyaclone said:
How to get root back after subsequent apps are denied root?
Over the last year, this has happened several times while having different custom roms installed. It happened several times with my Galaxy S4 and S5, and recently with my Galaxy Tab S 10.5. I have not lost root on my Nexus 7 (2013). The common denominator appears to be the Samsung devices.
Through SuperSu, I have removed root, rebooted, and installed root again with CF-Root which has not given me root access.
The only way I have been able to recover to date is to do a factory rest. It is interesting to note that I would have thought that the factory rest would take me back to the Samsung rom but in the last two time that I did this on either device, I ended up with the custom rom that I just had but without root or custom recovery.
To go back to a Samsung rom, I would think that if I started the device in download mode and did a flash with odin.
But rather than go through this, is there a reason why this happens and/or is there a way to avoid it?
Lastly, is there a true way of getting root back once it stops granting root?
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Best to post such things in your device specific forum.
This forum is for the Droid DNA.
However, gaining root is as simple as downloading the latest SuperSu zip and flashing it in recovery.
Very simple to do on any rom.