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Hey everyone,
We've made a small change to this forum by giving it a different name. This is now the *default* Android development forum for Galaxy S II. Any works that are completely original will be filed in the Original Android Development forum. Everything else will go here.
We have a more long-term solution to the ROM situation in the works. It'll be a database-driven ROM upload tool that will make it super easy for users to find and rate the ROMs that you upload. You'll be hearing more about this in the coming months.
For now, please continue to provide feedback. Thank you for your help in making XDA a more organized place.
Thanks!
P.S. If you think your ROM should be placed in the Original Android Development forum, send me a PM.
Edit from noppy22: this thread is no longer relevant so I unstuck it...
Sveitus,
I am dissapointed that the original explainatory thread was closed without reason after it was collecting opposing comments. Not cool.
I believe what you've posted (not done, I am confident that this was done with some consultation, somewhere) should be discussed in a wider context.
To that end, I've opened a thread in the XDA general forum with an admittedly emotive title "First and Second Class ROMS, 1st, 2nd class users". Please track this thread, assuming it's not lost amidst the noise.
I would have posted my concerns in the original notification thread except...
What gives?
Just imagine someone from sensation comes here and sees two development threads...
Sensation owners must be jealous by now..
But why is this only done on the GALAXY S2 subforums? Please, implement this on all phone subforum. I want to see how others would react.
Still think this is a stupid idea. If devs don't want other devs recycling their works, better not publish it. Or you can just close the thread of the ROM that was derived from an another ROM without permission/due credit.
The current situation is not something new to all of us.
There were always have been such ''issues'' among the rom developers.
xda team the way you chose to work this out is not good at all.
I'm starting to think that you don't listen to the majority of the users...
You hear a few dev's that probably are jealous of others...
This is not right for the community.
I personally am not supporting anyone particularly, but you must find another solution.
giokou said:
The current situation is not something new to all of us.
There were always have been such ''issues'' among the rom developers.
xda team the way you chose to work this out is not good at all.
I'm starting to think that you don't listen to the majority of the users...
You hear a few dev's that probably are jealous of others...
This is not right for the community.
I personally am not supporting anyone particularly, but you must find another solution.
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I 100% support this view...
If this is the case, then no custom roms should be in "original" section, as they are all derived from the stock manufacturer's roms.
khein said:
But why is this only done on the GALAXY S2 subforums? Please, implement this on all phone subforum. I want to see how others would react.
Still think this is a stupid idea. If devs don't want other devs recycling their works, better not publish it. Or you can just close the thread of the ROM that was derived from an another ROM without permission/due credit.
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All hell would break lose and their would be a mass exodus of developers and some pissed off members.
And why was the other thread closed. Perhaps XDA didn't like that all the negative PR they were getting. This plan was poorly conceived and executed. And to make it worse, XDA is being the judge, jury and executioner.
I am quite disappointed that this unjustified separation and disqualification of some devs work is still not corrected. You justified your step by "feedback" asking for it. I believe you are severely misleading people here.
You earned a lot of justified feedback in the first thread being deleted meanwhile and still you don't get things sorted out.
It is obviously totally wrong to piss off devs and force them to prove they are not guilty of what you may think. It ought to be the other way around: you should have a prove to claim what you state before you behave (and take action) the way you did. Some kind of US wild west mentality around here. I understand when people think that you only try to protect some of the devs being closer to you or being longer active on xda than some others. The selection of Roms being put to one or the other section proves that already since there seems to be no logic behind your decisions. Some early birds being put to the second class thread while some others who have just released quite usual stuff but were active with other hardware before have been put to the first class thread. And till now no kind of explanation why this or that Rom has been put here or there? What about Litenin e.g. which has been asked for a dozen times in the first, deleted thread ?
And above all: what kind of guilt do you think of ?
We are talking about open source here and all Roms are derived from Samsung stuff except for CM / MIUI. So where does originality start and where does it end? And who may decide: Even if a custom ROM was copied from another custom one in the first step it might have become an own developement over time.
jlevy73 said:
All hell would break lose and their would be a mass exodus of developers and some pissed off members.
And why was the other thread closed. Perhaps XDA didn't like that all the negative PR they were getting. This plan was poorly conceived and executed. And to make it worse, XDA is being the judge, jury and executioner.
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The other thread was closed because it was a discussion on the Derived ROMs Forum format, which as you state wasn't what we hoped it would be. So, changed the forum format. The old discussion was closed and a new one started to discuss this iteration. The thread was also started and stuck by svetius.
zikarus said:
I am quite disappointed that this unjustified separation and disqualification of some devs work is still not corrected. You justified your step by "feedback" asking for it. I believe you are severely misleading people here.
You earned a lot of justified feedback in the first thread being deleted meanwhile and still you don't get things sorted out.
It is obviously totally wrong to piss off devs and force them to prove they are not guilty of what you may think. It ought to be the other way around: you should have a prove to claim what you state before you behave (and take action) the way you did. Some kind of US wild west mentality around here. I understand when people think that you only try to protect some of the devs being closer to you or being longer active on xda than some others. The selection of Roms being put to one or the other section proves that already since there seems to be no logic behind your decisions. Some early birds being put to the second class thread while some others who have just released quite usual stuff but were active with other hardware before have been put to the first class thread. And till now no kind of explanation why this or that Rom has been put here or there? What about Litenin e.g. which has been asked for a dozen times in the first, deleted thread ?
And above all: what kind of guilt do you think of ?
We are talking about open source here and all Roms are derived from Samsung stuff except for CM / MIUI. So where does originality start and where does it end? And who may decide: Even if a custom ROM was copied from another custom one in the first step it might have become an own developement over time.
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The thread hasn't been deleted, it's been closed. The reasons (while obvious) are above.
Clearer..
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This titling does make it clearer..
Example:
Original Development: CM7
It's built from the ground up with a myriad of coded additions to be a truly 'Original' product.
Development: Everything else
All other ROMS are stock deodexed upgrades.
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Don't like this idea...
DaveShaw said:
The thread hasn't been deleted, it's been closed. The reasons (while obvious) are above.
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Closed or deleted - did not see it but no big difference anyway.
And there is nothing obvious neither about the closing nor the separation.
If you like to install a new tool do so. Build it, introduce it. Till then leave things as they were, stop separation and maybe excuse for the mess you produced by an unbiased decision... My 5 ct
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I really don't understand what an "original ROM" is. Google wrote the only original Android ROM imho.
here's a thought.
Villain Rom Lite is in "original" even though it's clearly based off VillainRom.
There's CLEAR favoritism going on here.
It should either be merged with the original or moved. It's just the same ROM with removed apps. How is that "original"?
Simple Result:
As far as I see; Some devs are out of business and as far as I feel, more to be...
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here's a thought.
Villain Rom Lite is in "original" even though it's clearly based off VillainRom.
There's CLEAR favoritism going on here.
It should either be merged with the original or moved. It's just the same ROM with removed apps. How is that "original"?
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Uhm actually the fact that thread was buried a few pages until yesterday meant svetius may have missed it. Moved it across.
That's grand, we don't have derivated roms anymore, we have originals and others (stolen, fakes, not so cool). I like the way mods are listening...
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I must admit, the way the mods have chosen to separate the two development sections doesn't sit well with me at all. The criteria for which section a ROM goes in to is very subjective and open to various interpretations, all of which are prone to the moderator's possible bias.
Strictly speaking, only one or two ROMs are 'original development' and belong in that section. All the others are derivatives in some way or another.
A better way to clean up the dev forum would be to have a couple of sub-sections; perhaps one for all ROMs (regardless of source), one for kernels and related modifications and another for android-specific modifications. Then, be strict about enforcing the sub-section criteria. Also, ask ROM chefs to state in their OP whether the ROM is based on another ROM and to credit the original developer/chef.
Everything else goes in Themes & Apps.
Also, having a mandatory format for thread titles (a la the HD2 forum) is an excellent way to keep things tidy and ensure that people know when a new release has been posted and what the releases are based upon. It worked over in HD2 rather well I thought. After coming from an HD2 to the S2, I thought that the S2 forums were a little untidy to say the least.
Ok, serious mode off, back to my usual sarcastic self.
OK, I dont agree with the splitting of the forums, but its not my decision and will go along with it. One thing that does really annoy me and needs to be fixed is that this new forum doesnt show up on the android app. Can that be fixed? I like keeping up with a few roms here and am usually on the move.
TheBishopOfSoho said:
OK, I dont agree with the splitting of the forums, but its not my decision and will go along with it. One thing that does really annoy me and needs to be fixed is that this new forum doesnt show up on the android app. Can that be fixed? I like keeping up with a few roms here and am usually on the move.
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No harm in disagreeing! If enough people disagree, the mods may relent on this decision.
I notice a lot of members are quick to jump to conclusions without anything to back it up.
Negative comments like "Dude, never gonna happen" are discouraging to the community and developers. Yes some people like to prove these people wrong, but to say that something will never happen is wrong in my eyes.
Examples of this would be the recent VMWare thread and the nexus app dump in the dev section
Developers work hard daily to make sure our phones are running smoothly with the latest firmware and software. and to say it won't happen is wrong unless you have solid facts to back up your claim...
Rant over
I know what you mean, and to a point agree.
From the other perspective, we've been talking about ICS here for at least a month now. Now you'll find about 10 threads saying are
we getting ICS???
we getting ICS???
we getting ICS???
we getting ICS???
That question has been answered 50 times. But more threads will come up. It's been discussed extensively already. People say search before making a new (repeat) of an existing thread, and anyway, when you post a new thread, it shows you similar ones...so WHY???! That gets my goat.....
Yes, a lot of people are wanting ICS. At the moment i'm not holding my breath for a ICS rom to be release. I have a rough idea of when we may see ICS to older phones such as the x10 & xperia ranges. I don't think we will be seeing ICS roms for at least another 2/3 months.
Developers have lives that come first, but for people to say ICS will never come to our phone is wrong, because even the top end phones like the Galaxy S2 haven't got a ICS rom yet. So why are people so quick to say we won't get it at all?
Well in vmware thread it wasn't a thread to discourage anyone! It was a research I made about trying to support virtualisation over android phones and I wanted to share it and try to progress in it! So please don't judge any incomplete discussion with developers until we reach a yes or no if it could be done or not!
I'm not having a whak at the developers. It's more of a rant to those people who don't offer suggestions, those that just down play everything (eg: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19405449&postcount=2). The VMWare is a great idea and i'm looking forward to seeing if anything comes out of it.
I picked those 2 as an example but throughout this forum, there's a lot of those comments that fit this
Well...
we getting ICS yet???
Yes no maybe
nobodyAtall said:
Well...
we getting ICS yet???
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it's up to you
Anyway, real dual touch in the x10 mini... not gonna happen!!! Nobody should disagree with that...
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You're more in the know than i am. but i'm guessing another 2/3 months before we see ICS roms? :S
I can't believe you asked that question. (with about 15 existing threads on the matter now)
just stick to the topic. it isn't about ICS or any particular mod/rom/os. but comments that surround projects. people just seem to be too quick to jump to conclusions without any proper knowladge about what's involved.
Anyway, got the rant out of my system, i'm not gonna change the behaviour of a whole forum. I know to disregard those sorts of comments.
If some one would sticky them in bold letters on all sections it would be better. or else people will be posting asking about ics.
Hi
As this is the Q and A section of the X10 forums I thought this would fit right in!
Since I last installed FeraLab v.20 Final I've more or less cured myself from the flash-fever I had earlier. As a direct consequence of that, my visits to these forums has been quite sporadic to say the least. And now, when I return I find that the camera development for ICS based roms has taken a huge leap forward!
Now 6mpix seem to be functioning as expected and the full 8mpix is more or less fixed, apart from issues with rendering (huge over generalization). Video also seem to be more or less on a highway to becoming fully functional!
Questions:
How did this come about?
Who did what?
Was Sony themselves involved?
How much is left before we have fully functioning camera/video/hotspot features under ICS in our X10?
Might JellyBean even be possible as a direct result of this development?
The questions are many, but these are really interesting times!
+1 on those. We'll wait patiently, hope all the best effort from XDA developers. I don't think any SONY involvement on this kink of custom development, but our support by Donate would be great beneficial..
Cheers
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Hi
As this is the Q and A section of the X10 forums I thought this would fit right in!
Since I last installed FeraLab v.20 Final I've more or less cured myself from the flash-fever I had earlier. As a direct consequence of that, my visits to these forums has been quite sporadic to say the least. And now, when I return I find that the camera development for ICS based roms has taken a huge leap forward!
Now 6mpix seem to be functioning as expected and the full 8mpix is more or less fixed, apart from issues with rendering (huge over generalization). Video also seem to be more or less on a highway to becoming fully functional!
Questions:
How did this come about?
Who did what?
Was Sony themselves involved?
How much is left before we have fully functioning camera/video/hotspot features under ICS in our X10?
Might JellyBean even be possible as a direct result of this development?
The questions are many, but these are really interesting times!
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I can answer few question
Sony was not involved in it.
Zdzihu was the one who started it giving giving wvga camera working firstly. Here's the post . http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28818020&postcount=1028
he came out of nowhere and posted that lol He always does that and has done in past and hopefully will do in future p
Then championswimmer tried to compile camera and after few tries he was able to get 6 mp camera working.( I guess zdzihu's camera fix helped him)
No one knows how much time will it take for complete working of cm9.( FXP is involved in cm9 so hopefully they will be able to do it)
As for JB AFAIK FXP isnt going to develop cm10 for X10 but someone else might
I guess your doubts have been cleared
Question Above
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In some time wil be
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Depends of the guys, i really appreciate the work of developers, but in 1 month, i see like 4 or 5 updates, with annoying updates like, NEW KEYBOARD, CHANGED BUILD.PROP and others, but nothing with NEW KERNEL, if possible get 3 or 4 developers to do 1 thing!! Or Stable kernel only in 2014 :/
Velcis Ribeiro said:
Depends of the guys, i really appreciate the work of developers, but in 1 month, i see like 4 or 5 updates, with annoying updates like, NEW KEYBOARD, CHANGED BUILD.PROP and others, but nothing with NEW KERNEL, if possible get 3 or 4 developers to do 1 thing!! Or Stable kernel only in 2014 :/
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A few questions:
There are not many devs left here. Do you think it is a good idea criticize our work like that?
Are you saying you don't want any updates unless it is a new kernel?
Have you considered trying to build a kernel yourself instead of complaining?
Just asking.....
I heard that the devs working on porting the XOOM kernel have progressed. Hopefully in due time...
It will, it's under development.
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A few questions:
There are not many devs left here. Do you think it is a good idea criticize our work like that?
Are you saying you don't want any updates unless it is a new kernel?
Have you considered trying to build a kernel yourself instead of complaining?
Just asking.....
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Im not criticating man, i really appreciate your work, you win my 10+ repp i only said that these updates dont be affect anything that the guys test. Because, i see much guys from here, and from other forums, that trying ICS several weeks because it have a new update, did you understand? hehe
Dont think wrong about my answr ;P
What exactly is the point of threads like this? People around here are getting just too good at nothing but whining and complaining. FYI, opening a thread like this is exactly the same thing as asking for ETAs, and I really hope everyone knows you NEVER ask for ETAs here. Instead of littering the forum with useless whiny adn wallowy threads like this, you could have helped the development efforts yourself. But no, people would rather just sit around idly and complain and whihe.
If you want a stable and fully functional ICS/JB right away, get a different device. If you want it in some undefined time, have patience, be supportive and QUIT ASKING. Better yet, instead of just waiting, take initiative and MAKE IT HAPPEN YOURSELF.
Hey Guys, I've reported this thread. I've got fed up with threads like these. Only asking for ETAs, growing up a bad mood... not throwing good vibes at all. We need patience, not ETAs. If you need a kernel so bad, then you've gotta have patience. That'll do the trick
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What exactly is the point of threads like this? People around here are getting just too good at nothing but whining and complaining. FYI, opening a thread like this is exactly the same thing as asking for ETAs, and I really hope everyone knows you NEVER ask for ETAs here. Instead of littering the forum with useless whiny adn wallowy threads like this, you could have helped the development efforts yourself. But no, people would rather just sit around idly and complain and whihe.
If you want a stable and fully functional ICS/JB right away, get a different device. If you want it in some undefined time, have patience, be supportive and QUIT ASKING. Better yet, instead of just waiting, take initiative and MAKE IT HAPPEN YOURSELF.
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jhonnyx said:
Hey Guys, I've reported this thread. I've got fed up with threads like these. Only asking for ETAs, growing up a bad mood... not throwing good vibes at all. We need patience, not ETAs. If you need a kernel so bad, then you've gotta have patience. That'll do the trick
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wow, you've reported this thread?! all the guy was asking was how things are progressing. After the initial excitement of the ics leak there hasn't been anything of very much. He said he appreciated the work of the people who put the time and effort into trying to keep our phone as current as possible. Who do you think you are Ravilov labeling someone as whiny and wallowing (although just what you think the poster is wallowing in is beyond me - he asked a simple question). As for your pathetic 'no one asks for eta's' comment... I can only assume you've been spending too much time here.
Thankfully, the question was answered bu Syl and takemeouttt.
This is a forum, where people ask questions and, hopefully, get civil and informative answers.
1) New Keyboard -- Because people wanted to try the new keyboard with 'Swype'-like features.
2) build.prop edits -- Because different people are having different issues with the ICS roms. Devs are pretty much taking stabs in the dark to see which combination helps which device. (tegra part?)
3) Xoom Kernel Port -- Is compiled, but will be a while before everyone can test it and/or have a stable release (source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1941654)
As for your original question, there's a strong possibility we might, but don't expect it anytime soon. If it was that easy, Motorola would have done it at the same time they did it for Xoom. Remember, developers might also upgrade to newer devices. Would seem pointless to develop for a device--that even the manufacturer abandoned, when you have a shiny new device.
The current "team" of developers ARE working "together". In my experience, it's hard to collaborate on something with another person remotely, but they seem to be managing it. Going by the thread, there are at least 2 active developers. Might be others who aren't updating in the thread, but are simply contributing by email and/or other ways?
This thread may or may not be pointless. I think if it gets closed at this point, it might help someone trying to find a simple answer without going through 1000's of posts in the development section.
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wow, you've reported this thread?! all the guy was asking was how things are progressing. After the initial excitement of the ics leak there hasn't been anything of very much. He said he appreciated the work of the people who put the time and effort into trying to keep our phone as current as possible. Who do you think you are Ravilov labeling someone as whiny and wallowing (although just what you think the poster is wallowing in is beyond me - he asked a simple question). As for your pathetic 'no one asks for eta's' comment... I can only assume you've been spending too much time here.
Thankfully, the question was answered bu Syl and takemeouttt.
This is a forum, where people ask questions and, hopefully, get civil and informative answers.
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Maybe i've should answered this:
See the proper thread in the forum. Hint: search button.
Now thats an appropiate response to the question in the 1st post.
How long more do ppl keep their atrix?
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How long more do ppl keep their atrix?
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I bought an atrix 2 weeks ago, i'm waiting to the delivery from China, so i think i would keep it for a year
I think that the community is simply misguided.
There is not a single post which clearly explains that we hit a brick wall regarding battery life.
Not knowing that, it IS frustrating to see a "new update!!" as the title of the ROM post and find only minor graphical changes inside.
There is a simple way to solve that, we need a sticky with an explanation regarding the entire Atrix ICS issue.
It should have a brief explanation that the ICS and JB roms that we have now are incomplete and generally suffer from graphical issues due to the old kernel constrains and even though we have a leaked version of the original ICS kernel, it is only barely functional and in most cases far from being a daily driver.
It will save a LOT of browsing (for me at least) since I check almost daily on the progress in the development section and it is quite a hassle to browse through all the latest comments for a clue of any changes or new ideas of how to make the rom work better and it will inform all those that don't bother checking and simply end up disappointed in the new changes.
Creating such a post is easy and I can do so if you'll approve of my idea, but the major point is to make it sticky and up to date, even if the update is simply updating the title just to show that no progress regarding kernel development/ ICS implementation for the Atrix was made.
I have no problems updating it either.
I adore the dev community here and all of you guys.
It's nice to see optimism where other developers and testers would just give up.
I love you guys and keep up the nice job. :highfive:
Why we just can't delete everything and add the rom from galaxy r
mixlis said:
Why we just can't delete everything and add the rom from galaxy r
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I think epinter tried taking the kernel from either the galaxy r and other similar phones and came out with the same issues as we get with the leaked kernel.
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Tough to say if it will ever happen, but at least there are a few people still interested enough to try. Seems the current best hope is this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2016837
All the top devs are working on the kernel plz support them by donating something try reading QandA section
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Does anyone know whats the most stable ICS/JB rom here? Need one with good battery life, & hwaccell...
This might not be the right place for this, but is anybody working on porting an ICS kernel to the photon? I do not know enough programming to work on a port, but I am looking forward to something happening. The guys over at the Atrix forum are working on a kernel and are getting pretty far quickly. I do know that the Atrix shares some hardware with our Photons, like the GPU, which I have read is one of the biggest drivers that we need to have a proper working ICS or JB port for our phones. Well hopefully this will point some kernel devs to a forum that could have great benefits to the advancement of our phones. Thanks to any devs that may already or decide to work on this kernel.
Edit: Here is a link to their GitHub: https://github.com/CyanogenMod-Atrix/android_kernel_motorola_olympus/
Did everybody abandon us?
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I don't think we've been abandoned. I saw that Th3Bill was on Moto's sourceforge trying to get the sources we need, a rep at Moto is trying to help us but they do not have a time frame yet. I also think that once the Atrix kernel is closer to being finished more devs will jump onboard to get the kernel going for our phones. Really I made this thread to get some devs attentions that may have not known about the Atrix development going on. Until then I am trying to learn some C coding and trying to make heads and tails of how the Atrix guys got to where they are. I've only coded in Javascript and for only about 2 years now, so it's kinda slow going, but We Still Have Hope! Also if I can come across a cheap Photon that I can dev on it may help out a bit, I can't really dev on my only phone.
Maybe some useful info.
A PM I got from lehjr over at the Atrix ICS port thread :
"Porting the kernel as it is right now isn't advisable because you may not know if issues are a problem with the hardware being setup slightly differently, or a problem with the kernel itself. We are currently only in a very early alpha stage.
Porting the kernel once it is stable should be much easier, but keep in mind that you will likely have to refer to device-specific references in the GB source to make the required changes, since technical documentation for the Photon and Electrify seems to be very scarce to non-existent, whereas we at least have documented teardowns and a nearly complete schematic for the Atrix as well as a serial out port from the JTAG port. "
I know that this is not new info, but for the programmers that do not know where to start I think this is a step forward in the right direction.
We're getting close. Well the Atrix is getting close.
I keep following the thread over on the Atrix Forums http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2016837 and it looks like their project has come together. They have marked almost every aspect of their kernel as Completed. If we still have any developers that know how to modify a kernel to port from the Atrix to our Photons it looks like the time is almost here. The one thing they have marked as "work in progress" is the fingerprint reader which we do not need. Well thought I would share the good news with you guys. A fully working ICS would be nice. Cheers!