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If you are using one of the Over-Clocked Undervolted Kernels please uninstall set-cpu and observe your battery life for 3 days and compare it to what you got when you used set-cpu. Then report as to if it is better, worse, or the same.
Just compare to what how long your battery lasts with your normal usage. Please do not give replies like "I only used 30% in two days with normal use."
Just reply with either better, worse, or same. Because usage is relative and that is not the purpose of this.
I think that set-cpu is interfering with the built in govenor and its ability to scale the freq of the phone. I think that it is staying on what-ever freq you set in set-cpu and scaling properly and thus reducing the battery life, and making the undervolting useless.
IF YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE BETTER BATTERY LIFE WITHOUT SETCPU, THEN GET LOGS WHILE IT IS RUNNING AND SEND THEM TO THE DEV.
I have also noticed lag on the home screen with setcpu, I started using Overclock Widget to detect the values and to diff freq screen off 245-576 and put the phone on sleep while charging so will stay cool. Battery life has been great so far! I'm using 2.6.33.4 [email protected] #1 about to upgrade to his newest 2.6.34...I think SetCpu has flaws!
Will let you know my results.
this thread may be of some help. im currently trying pershoots 5.12vfp release without setcpu at all.
i do, however, remember getting 37 hours with moderate use with setcpu and profiles set, but i cant remember which kernal it was exactly. i think it may have been IRs 4.29 release..
Just uninstalled SetCPU and I'm running Pershoot's newest 2.6.33.4 925 Kernel. I will report back my findings in a couple of days...
Been curious about this for a while, but does the Nexus automatically throttle CPU speed by itself when SetCPU is not installed?
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Been curious about this for a while, but does the Nexus automatically throttle CPU speed by itself when SetCPU is not installed?
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Nope, incredible and onwards only.
Did this Quite a bit ago... ran with and without for over a week and i have better battery life without setcpu
When you don't have setcpu, you're not running at 1113ghz..
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When you don't have setcpu, you're not running at 1113ghz..
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Perhaps...However, Linpack is proportional (I think) to the device's performance. My little experiment was testing different frequency kernels and measuring that against Linpacl
998: 7.4
1.13: 8.2
1.19: 8.9
So it would appear that performance increases with each kernel which wouldn't be the case if SetCPU was required.
I have some reasons to believe that SetCPU would interfere with the actual design of the Nexus One. I mean after all, i'm sure it was programmed to manage itself. So why have another app that does the same thing, twice? Just a thought, but for one thing, my phone is definitely cooler when charging compared to having SetCPU with profiles.
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Nope, incredible and onwards only.
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You mean that the Incredible features CPU throttling?
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Perhaps...However, Linpack is proportional (I think) to the device's performance. My little experiment was testing different frequency kernels and measuring that against Linpacl
998: 7.4
1.13: 8.2
1.19: 8.9
So it would appear that performance increases with each kernel which wouldn't be the case if SetCPU was required.
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There are dozens of potential optimizations that can be done to improve performance without touching the cpu speed. Different kernels, especially if they're from different people, will have different flags set in the build and so will perform differently even at the same clock speed.
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There are dozens of potential optimizations that can be done to improve performance without touching the cpu speed. Different kernels, especially if they're from different people, will have different flags set in the build and so will perform differently even at the same clock speed.
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I completely agree however all the kernels I use are from the same person and the optimizations at the different clocks speeds are identical. Therefore the spread in my linpack scores indicate that setcpu is not required. At least, that's my theory
this and other threads have made me question why we need setcpu anyways. I have it running and its great but can't we just integrate what setcpu is doing from the get go instead of having an external app running a separate process?'seems a little inefficient to me. The reason I say this is that I noticed most people are using the same settings for set cpu.
anyways, I dunno how relevant all this is since froyo's just around the corner and that may alleviate some problems but bring more problems
Yeah, start bashing my app, knowing I was the one who came up with the ideas behind the 1113MHz/uv hack in the first place (in fact, I came up with the 21MB hack as well, so prominently displayed in the OP's kernel thread title). Thanks, nexus one community.
I can explain that setcpu does not run any code in the background if your profiles are disabled, I can explain how cpufreq works, I can explain what lengths I went to to optimize the profiles, and I can explain that the profiles are very passive (except sometimes on the Droid, but there's an option for tweaking that) but I probably won't bother. Grab 1.5.3a and use it, or don't use it. I don't care either way.
I think that set-cpu is interfering with the built in govenor and its ability to scale the freq of the phone. I think that it is staying on what-ever freq you set in set-cpu and scaling properly and thus reducing the battery life, and making the undervolting useless.
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You obviously do not know how cpufreq works. Setcpu does not touch the values after it sets a profile. Profiles actually run code only when it receives broadcast intents. It sets the max and min bounds and the governor if necessary within a fraction of a second. The service is completely idle otherwise. It can't "interfere with the built in governor." Okay, then. What is your big theory? What exactly is setcpu doing wrong?
SetCPU is advantageous because it allows you to tweak speeds on the fly and based on certain conditions. You can have solely kernel based overclocking and undervolting, sure, and that is perfectly fine. SetCPU is a convenient tool for controlling that without having to compile and flash a new kernel. If you do not like profiles, do not use them. They were only introduced in 1.3.0 But don't uninstall SetCPU because it does nothing with profiles disabled.
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HTC implements a rather awkward driver in nearly all of their Sense UI devices (and I think the Magic 32A) that throttles based on certain conditions. I am not entirely sure how it works, as I have not looked into the specifics, but it seems to max out the CPU under some conditions.
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I have some reasons to believe that SetCPU would interfere with the actual design of the Nexus One. I mean after all, i'm sure it was programmed to manage itself. So why have another app that does the same thing, twice? Just a thought, but for one thing, my phone is definitely cooler when charging compared to having SetCPU with profiles.
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I am 100% sure this is placebo effect. Setcpu can't make your phone run hotter just because it's there. If you had a charging profile set for 1113/1113, sure, but that is not setcpu itself. Linux does not control the CPU scaling any further than what ondemand does - there is nothing preventing the CPU from going up to your max during sleep (or rather, when the screen is off), for example, or when your battery is low.
Oh, and using the active widget is a bad idea if you care about battery life. I tried to optimize it as much as possible, but realize that it's updating a lot more things than other apps are (the frequency, the bounds, and two temperature readings) at a relatively fast interval. The home screen does pause a bit while it is updating. That is a fact of life. Longer intervals are essentially useless because the update interval for cpufreq itself is on the order of thousands of microseconds. The current appwidget refreshes if the screen is on, regardless of whether it's visible or not (there is currently no way to tell if it is visible). A live wallpaper would be a much better idea than a constantly updating appwidget, and I'll look into that.
Let me explain this bit better. Cpufreq will scale your CPU between the max and min values automatically. Once the CPU load hits the "up threshold," it takes your CPU frequency from the min to the max, then gradually eases it down. SetCPU lets you easily change the max and min values on the fly. If you want, it can also prevent the system from scaling the CPU up that high during times you don't want it to (with profiles, of course). It does not and cannot interfere with the actual governor.
Well there you have it, straight from the source
TL;DR - setCPU doesn't run code in background unless you use profiles, it doesn't make your phone hotter unless you use a 1113/1113 profile, & if you value battery life don't use setCPU Active widget.
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Props dude. Keep up the good work.
To be honest I'm a user, donator and supporter of SetCPU. I've never had cause to complain.
Not bashing your app dude, in fact I have the paid version. I am only wondering why people are noticing better battery life without it than with it. Want to see if it really is setcpu or something else. To do that something has to be isolated.
And I believe that if the freq are set in the kernel then the phone will scale up an down on its own.
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Yeah, start bashing my app, knowing I was the one who came up with the ideas behind the 1113MHz/uv hack in the first place (in fact, I came up with the 21MB hack as well, so prominently displayed in the OP's kernel thread title). Thanks, nexus one community.
I can explain that setcpu does not run any code in the background if your profiles are disabled, I can explain how cpufreq works, I can explain what lengths I went to to optimize the profiles, and I can explain that the profiles are very passive (except sometimes on the Droid, but there's an option for tweaking that) but I probably won't bother. Grab 1.5.3a and use it, or don't use it. I don't care either way.
You obviously do not know how cpufreq works. Setcpu does not touch the values after it sets a profile. Profiles actually run code only when it receives broadcast intents. It sets the max and min bounds and the governor if necessary within a fraction of a second. The service is completely idle otherwise. It can't "interfere with the built in governor." Okay, then. What is your big theory? What exactly is setcpu doing wrong?
SetCPU is advantageous because it allows you to tweak speeds on the fly and based on certain conditions. You can have solely kernel based overclocking and undervolting, sure, and that is perfectly fine. SetCPU is a convenient tool for controlling that without having to compile and flash a new kernel. If you do not like profiles, do not use them. They were only introduced in 1.3.0 But don't uninstall SetCPU because it does nothing with profiles disabled.
HTC implements a rather awkward driver in nearly all of their Sense UI devices (and I think the Magic 32A) that throttles based on certain conditions. I am not entirely sure how it works, as I have not looked into the specifics, but it seems to max out the CPU under some conditions.
I am 100% sure this is placebo effect. Setcpu can't make your phone run hotter just because it's there. If you had a charging profile set for 1113/1113, sure, but that is not setcpu itself. Linux does not control the CPU scaling any further than what ondemand does - there is nothing preventing the CPU from going up to your max during sleep (or rather, when the screen is off), for example, or when your battery is low.
Oh, and using the active widget is a bad idea if you care about battery life. I tried to optimize it as much as possible, but realize that it's updating a lot more things than other apps are (the frequency, the bounds, and two temperature readings) at a relatively fast interval. The home screen does pause a bit while it is updating. That is a fact of life. Longer intervals are essentially useless because the update interval for cpufreq itself is on the order of thousands of microseconds. The current appwidget refreshes if the screen is on, regardless of whether it's visible or not (there is currently no way to tell if it is visible). A live wallpaper would be a much better idea than a constantly updating appwidget, and I'll look into that.
Let me explain this bit better. Cpufreq will scale your CPU between the max and min values automatically. Once the CPU load hits the "up threshold," it takes your CPU frequency from the min to the max, then gradually eases it down. SetCPU lets you easily change the max and min values on the fly. If you want, it can also prevent the system from scaling the CPU up that high during times you don't want it to (with profiles, of course). It does not and cannot interfere with the actual governor.
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I too am a fan of setcpu, and over the last week I did get curious due to this this thread. I found my battery ran down quite significantly faster without setcpu, maybe because I didn't have my sleep profile of lowest freq min/max, or my battery profile of max 756, or my low battery profiles scaling down my cpu max. Either way, stop bashing the app, it's awesome, and if you had concerns, take them to the dev rather than start a witch hunt in the forums trying to make a posse.
People that report better battery, may not have had setcpu set up correctly in the first place. A friend of mine at work installed it, ran for a day and uninstalled it, citing it didn't do anything and infact drained his battery. He had the widget running, and had upped the minimum cpu freq to 500 and something, max to the 1.13ghx. He didn't run profiles. But as such, he wasn't letting his phone scale down to the lowest freq when it wanted to, and had the widget drain. I got him to set t up as I have mine, and he was blown away with the change.
"My car wont go over 20km/h"
"Are you putting your foot on the accelerator?"
"Whats an accelerator?"
Things have to be used correctly to get the best out of them, and unless someone saying it's far worse than without actually comes in and puts up their values they have it set to, we have no idea why they are having the fault. My experience (I have worked tech call centres for years) is that 99/100 issues people experience are due to not using things as they are set out to be, or just have no idea how to do what they are trying to do. My work mates thing was that he thought all apps would go faster if he increased the minimum freq, so therefore use less battery because the processes are completed faster. In a way it's logical, but the result is that even when nothings running the cpu wont fall below that value, so the battery drained much faster than he expected.
Is there a negative effect of setting the clock speed lower while screen off? Aside from running really labor intensive tasks?
It just seems like a great way to save battery to me. Right?
The only negative is getting the phone to wake up fast enough when you get an inbound call.
The CFS kernel (which is widely used now) seems to be less able to come out of a deep sleep rapidly than the older "zanfur" OC kernel did.
IIRC, on the older "zanfur" OC kernel, you could set the minimum scaling frequency to 19 Mhz - but with with the CFS kernel, you may need to use a minimum value of 122 Mhz or 245 Mhz.
Set the max scaling speed to 480 or 528 when sleeping. (The max frequency is only rarely used when the phone is sleeping - but you want the phone to pop out of it's low speed state quickly when you power up the screen, or experience an inbound call).
Thanks, Yeah I usually set the max to 480 while sleeping and 480 as min while awake. Battery seems good there.
Originally I was using SetCPU but I have switched to CPUBoost. Most all the kernels in the past few roms I have used are made by conap and he is also the creator of CPUBoost, so I figured they would integrate really well.
Also if I enter anything above the 800 range the phone will have random reboots throughout a few different roms I've tried.
As a note, if I remember correctly, if you have a kernel/ROM that supports the smartass governor, you should be able to use it and not need to have a profile set to underclock while the screen is off, or really need to underclock at all, as I believe it determines for you how much CPU is needed and sets the clock speed accordingly, simply abiding by your max and min speeds you set. Since less CPU is needed when the screen is off, it will automatically adjust accordingly. However, this is just something I've read around the forums, so don't take my word for it
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As a note, if I remember correctly, if you have a kernel/ROM that supports the smartass governor, you should be able to use it and not need to have a profile set to underclock while the screen is off, or really need to underclock at all, as I believe it determines for you how much CPU is needed and sets the clock speed accordingly, simply abiding by your max and min speeds you set. Since less CPU is needed when the screen is off, it will automatically adjust accordingly. However, this is just something I've read around the forums, so don't take my word for it
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Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. I will assume that's more or less accurate unless Conap or bftb0 chime in.
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As a note, if I remember correctly, if you have a kernel/ROM that supports the smartass governor, you should be able to use it and not need to have a profile set to underclock while the screen is off, or really need to underclock at all, as I believe it determines for you how much CPU is needed and sets the clock speed accordingly, simply abiding by your max and min speeds you set. Since less CPU is needed when the screen is off, it will automatically adjust accordingly. However, this is just something I've read around the forums, so don't take my word for it
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Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. I will assume that's more or less accurate unless Conap or bftb0 chime in.
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Well, I suppose it could be said that the whole point of any rate governor is to reduce overall power consumption without markedly affecting the user's perception of "responsiveness" or "speed" - however they go about defining those metrics.
OTOH, because there are - what - five different scaling governors available, it is apparent that people have found their own reasons to create new scaling governors; presumably that arose from a dissatisfaction with the behavior of the available scaling governor - or, that different users have differing application workloads, and so they prefer one governor over another.
As Pokelover980 suggests, you could just hand a given rate governor a fixed set of limits (min/max), and be done with it.** For folks that have the time and desire to experiment, I would suggest that: pick a governor and a min/max clock rate and run that way for 2-3 days - no profiles at all. Then pick a different governor with the same min/max clock rate and run that way for another 2-3 days, and see how it goes - maybe not in battery life, because that's hard to measure in a repeatable way, but at least to see if any problems occur coming out of sleep.
Is the "smartass" governor better than all the rest of them? I don't really know. I used it for a little while, but found something I didn't like about it. (But don't take that as conclusive about anything; I doubt that I was doing disciplined testing when that happened). I tend to use either "interactive" or "ondemand", and don't have a strong preference for one over the other.
There probably is some value in keeping things simple. I think that I mentioned before that at one point (back when the CFS kernels were still in a state of flux) I was convinced that using setCPU was exacerbating problems with lock-ups I observed (once every couple of days). Again, though - that was really only my suspicion; I can't really prove it.
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** I suppose that folks that insist on extreme levels of overclocking ought to use either an overtemp profile or some other means to monitor temperature so that they don't cook their phone.
I Installed SetCPU on the wifes Eris. The smartass governor on CM7 will max out the cpu (to your preset max) if needed. I dont think the smartest thing to do is max out the cpu at 15% batt life. I have 5 different profiles set. One for screen off, charging, < 50%, < 30%, <10%. I use interactive governor vs smartass. Her phone is pretty responsive and I dont hear about issues with it not waking up. Battery life has also increased quite a bit.
Sorry I've searched around. Can someone explain what smartass does ? On a kernel or how it interacts?
Interactive set up also?
Using adryn bamf rom 1.3. This is my first time messing with setcpu. He said to set it back to 1ghz is to use it but it only goes to 1032 close to 1. I don't really like overclockihg since the phone is fast as it is. Sorry for the noobish question thx again.
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In a nutshell, smartass is a type of governor that controls the scaling of the procesor speed and controls the idle loop.
What does a governor do? Well, while a processor may be rated at 1.0 GHz, it is not runnng at full speed all the time. It only runs at that full 1.0 when called upon to do so for various intense functions and calculations. The rest of the time, when the phone isn't required to be doing much, the processor "underclocks" itself to conserve power, minimize heat, and prolong the life of the chip. It's like driving a car: You don't floor the gas pedal and constantly keep the engine at 8,000 RPM all day, and so it is with processor scaling.The governor is what controls this latter part. And there are several different types of governors out there that control the scaling in different ways
Interactive is one type of governor that takes command of the idle loop. Smartass sort of doubles down on that same concept, but is more responsive. Smartass also allows for the kernel to cap the max frequency when the phone is sleeping (screen off). This prevents the need to create sleep profiles while reducing power draw, so it improves battery life
While we're on the subject, a few other terms you may want to know since you'll start seeing them soon are BFS (brain f-ck scheduler - pardon the french) and CFS (completely fair scheduler). These are two types of task schedulers that linux kernels use to control task management. Again, in a nutshell, BFS generally is faster, but lags when multitasking, while CFS is slightly slower, but can handle multitasking a little better
Hey thankbyou bro for taking time to explain this. I really appreaciate it. Now I can set up setcpu and actually understand some terms lol. Thx
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As I understand solution for "998 MHz with screen on" bug is found: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225411&page=17#post16944722
We need to replace only one governor.
I don't want to play with different ROMs and kernels and I'm looking for simplest solution.
Is it possible to compile it as a module ("ondemand_mod" for ex.) and add it to stock ROM?
Or any other (simple) way?
Wrong section ...
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Why wrong Section, this is Development to get the CPU Governor working correctly
Wolfbreak said:
Why wrong Section, this is Development to get the CPU Governor working correctly
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Exactly, this is the right section for such request.
However, I can't help but wonder: is this really a "problem"?
No offence to anyone, but I find that the phone is very snappy
when on max frequency... The big problem for me, would be if it
didn't go into Deep Sleep immediately after turning the screen off
and stayed at min frequency for an extended period.
When the screen is on (aka using the phone) I'd like it to be as FAST
as possible. That's the reason I use the minmax governor.
Anyway, again, I don't mean to argue with anyone, I am just
presenting my point of view.
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However, I can't help but wonder: is this really a "problem"?
No offence to anyone, but I find that the phone is very snappy
when on max frequency... The big problem for me, would be if it
didn't go into Deep Sleep immediately after turning the screen off
and stayed at min frequency for an extended period.
When the screen is on (aka using the phone) I'd like it to be as FAST
as possible. That's the reason I use the minmax governor.
Anyway, again, I don't mean to argue with anyone, I am just
presenting my point of view.
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Yes, it's really problem.
Higher frequency - higher power consumption. Moreover - with higher frequency CPU used with higher voltage so consumption is even more higher. So at 998 MHz CPU eats about 5 times more battery than on 246MHz.
With properly tuned governor I don't feel any real lags or slowdowns.
And, when screen is on CPU load is usually is lower than 20% at full frequency. So I don't want to waste my battery.
As I see it's possible to compile and use governor as module.
Could someone compile it? And assemble as xRecovery package?
Or point me where to read about compiling for arm, where to get tools and so on...
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Yes, it's really problem.
Higher frequency - higher power consumption. Moreover - with higher frequency CPU used with higher voltage so consumption is even more higher. So at 998 MHz CPU eats about 5 times more battery than on 246MHz.
With properly tuned governor I don't feel any real lags or slowdowns.
And, when screen is on CPU load is usually is lower than 20% at full frequency. So I don't want to waste my battery.
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The thing is, on 245 MHz, you can't get any kind of decent performance.
Try this: set the minimum and maximum CPU frequency with SetCPU to 245 and attempt to use the phone normally.
Also, you might be right about voltage, but if the CPU is forced to work on lower freqs when it actually needs higher, there's definitely stress and increased battery consumption.
My phone lasts for more than 24 hours and it's always at max frequency when the screen is on. No lag, no freezes, no drain.
I do agree that the ondemand governor might not function as expected but I fail to experience the actual problem. That might be just me though.
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The thing is, on 245 MHz with high load, you can't get any kind of decent performance.
Try this: set the minimum and maximum CPU frequency with SetCPU to 245 and attempt to use the phone normally.
Also, you might be right about voltage, but if the CPU is forced to work on lower freqs when it actually needs higher, there's definitely stress and increased battery consumption.
My phone lasts for more than 24 hours and it's always at max frequency when the screen is on. No lag, no freezes, no drain.
I do agree that the ondemand governor might not function as expected but I fail to experience the actual problem. That might be just me though.
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There is no need to work on 245MHz as proper governor rise frequency automatically when it's necessary.
And really no stress for CPU to work an low frequency at full load. Moreover - CPU will consume more power at 500Mhz with 45% load than at 250Mhz with 95% load.
Sometime I use phone for navigation - long time with screen on and very low load. In this scenario battery drains very fast.
And last one - I like to have everything working properly. In case that I'll really need high frequency all the time I'll use other governor. I just want to have a choice.
I need a simple solotion for this too..I use z kernel and I found that Thego2s kernel fixed this problem..I was going to flash that kernel but think that has a bug and stoucks on logo ..can some one sayas a simple way?
Yes, I think a lot of people would prefer to use just small and simple fixes rather than replacing the whole kernel with a lot of nice but (personally) unnecessary features.
I am waiting for developers to release a fix for this problam
(Scroll down to The Money Shot if you just wanna know the settings to use and skip all my preamble, but be aware that you may sacrifice results if you don't understand everything fully! You've been warned!!)
The Introduction
I'm about to tell you how to get buttery smooth, lag free performance with insanely good battery life, using an old school governor featured in practically every kernel... This tweak is applicable to every phone with any ROM or kernel--stock or custom--that provides the Interactive Governor. :good:
Yeah, yeah... everyone promises good battery with great performance, but who actually delivers? Maybe it isn't as smooth as you want, or maybe it requires something your kernel or ROM don't support. Or maybe the battery life promises just aren't what you expected. There's always some awful compromise. Not here!
This isn't a guide to get 36 hour battery life... provided you never use your phone. That's deep sleep optimization, which is lovely and all, but what good is the phone if you can never use it?! I'm talking about 7-14 hour screen on, actual hands-on usage times! Without compromising anything, you can get 7-8 hour screen on usage with regular, no-compromise usage habits: daytime visible screen brightness, both radios on, sync on, network location on, all the regular usage features, the whole kit and kaboodle... all smooth as a baby's butt and snappy as a Slim Jim! (Up to 14+ hours if you can stand minimum brightness and WiFi-only! And this is with stock voltages and full frequency range--you'll likely get even more if you choose to optimize those as well!)
However, it should be noted that this does not apply to gaming, heavy camera use, etc. Anything that is an automatic battery killer in and of itself. There's nothing that can be done about anything that forces the phone to utilize its maximum resources all the time. But you should know that by now. Further, this guide is about optimizing the CPU as much as possible. It does not cover things like eliminating wakelocks so your phone sleeps well, removing unnecessary and battery draining stock apps, keeping your screen brightness down*, and all that stuff that's been covered in other posts ad infinitum. Those optimizations are up to you.
*At least on the EvoLTE, you shouldn't be turning your screen brightness above about 60%. It should be more than viewable in sunlight at that brightness, and keep in mind that the brightness power requirements increase exponentially, so a 100% bright LCD screen will use about 3.5-4.5x more power than a 60% bright screen. I don't see that fact brought up often, so I thought I'd mention it here.
The Background
I got my first Android phone (Galaxy S4) about 8 months ago, and after dropping it in the toilet a couple months ago, I had to get something cheap. Enter the EvoLTE.
Performance on the EvoLTE was not what I was used to, and that disappointed me. (I should rephrase. Performance while getting similar battery life was disappointing. What good is a fast phone if you can't use it cuz it's dead?) While I had immediately caved and ROOTed and installed a new ROM (CM 10.2), I soon pined for a new kernel with promises of overclocking, under-volting, new fangled governors, etc.
So, I S-OFFed and installed Haunted Kernel. Played with overclocking, used the suggested governor (smartmax), under-volted, all that jazz. One problem: constant reboots. My focus shifted from performance and battery to just getting it to run reliably.
To my dismay, I learned that my phone has no tolerance for overclocking, so I lost that speed boost. Further, it has no tolerance for under-volting, so I lost that power savings. And then I discovered the recommended governor (which gave pretty good battery life and so-so performance) was too buggy to be reliable, so I lost that balance.
I was never fully satisfied with the performance of that governor. It promised a lot. People raved about it. It was certainly very power-friendly and lag free, but it stuttered. Notice how everyone promises lag free, but rarely do they talk about smoothness as things slow down. You know what I mean... quick scroll through a webpage or list, and as it slows down it hops and jerks. I hate, hate, HATE that! But hey, you can't have all three--smoothness, snappiness, and stutter-free... right?
Wrong! (But I'm getting to that!)
Shifting back to stock CPU settings (clock speed and voltages) I turned my focus to the governors. Surely, I thought, one of these other fancy governors will satisfy my needs. But after weeks of tweaking and testing, I had to make a compromise in one way or another. None of them delivered the results I wanted, no matter how I tweaked them. They were better than the standard governors in many ways, but still didn't meet my expectations. I sat there, so disappointed. All these cool features to boost performance, save battery, all that... out of my reach. I was back to square one. Stock speeds, stock voltages, basic governors...
Basic governors...
...basic governors...
...basic governors..?!
Well that's something I hadn't looked into much, I thought.
I mean, why bother? Either they keep your CPU at a low clock speed, or a high one, or slowly scale between the two, or jump quickly between the two. Pretty basic stuff. The new fangled governors were designed to more efficiently finesse these brute choices to improve performance and battery life, so what would basic governors have to offer?
Nothing, I thought. Until I looked at the kernel source and realized that the Interactive Governor had some advanced features I'd never seen anyone use in their recommended settings. On any forum. Ever.
That's not to say it's some well-kept secret or that I'm the first person in the world to post about such things. But it's certainly not widely known or promoted well. Most people just jump onto some new fangled governor with default settings to provide some features that, in all honesty, we can find in a governor featured in practically all kernels, and actually may out-perform the new fangled governor in both performance and battery life!
After a bit of tweaking and experimenting, I developed some settings that provide absolutely incredible battery life, buttery smooth performance, and a lag free experience. And you don't need a fancy governor, or a custom kernel, custom clock rates, or even an EvoLTE. This will work on any ROOTed phone with the Interactive governor!
Enough long winded preamble! Let's get down to...
The Nitty Gritty
Before I lay out all the settings so you can blindly enter them into your governor control, I should to explain some of the principals I employed to get the results I did. The primary thing to understand before I do is: little might you know, the settings in the Interactive governor can be tweaked on a clock range basis. That is to say, you can finely control how the governor responds at a variety of clock rates, thus better dictating how it should operate under various loads. This is integral to the configuration, because it means the difference between jumping from the slowest speed to the highest speed under load and sustaining lower clock speeds for tasks that don't really require higher clock speeds.
By default, the Interactive governor will jump from lowest speed to a "nominal" speed under load, and then scale up from that speed as load is sustained. That is lovely, but still too twitchy to provide serious efficiency and power savings. It spends most of its time at 2 or 3 clock speeds and barely hits other clock speeds that are ideal for other tasks or usage patterns.
Instead, what we want to do is configure it to handle different types of loads in different ways. A load suited for scrolling through a webpage is not the same as a load suited for decompressing streaming video is not the same as a load suited for snappy loading of an app is not the same as a load suited for high performance gaming. Every kind of load has different tolerances at which their minimal speed is indistinguishable from their maximal speed.
To understand what's best under a variety of tasks, we have to identify two types of load profiles: nominal clock rates and efficient clock rates.
Nominal Clock Rates
Nominal clock rates are the minimum CPU clock rates that perform a given task smoothly and without stuttering or lag. To find the nominal clock rate for a given task, turn on both cores using the Performance governor and turn them both down incrementally until you find the minimum clock rate that works best for what you're trying to do, without introducing hiccups, and multiply that clock speed by your number of cores.
For example, on my EvoLTE, scrolling (not loading, simply scrolling) through a large webpage smoothly will occur when the both CPUs clock rates are no less than 432Mhz. (This is on mine without background tasks taking any CPU. Yours may be different depending on services running, the browser you use, your ROM, kernel, etc.) Because the EvoLTE has 2 cores, we multiply 432Mhz * 2 = 864Mhz. Thus, the nominal clock rate for scrolling a webpage on my EvoLTE is 864Mhz.
Now, here's the rub. If you turn off one of the cores and turn the other core to 864Mhz, you will not find that it is smooth anymore. I will not write a dissertation regarding why this is the case. Suffice it to say, despite what is often incorrectly conveyed, multi-core usage is more efficient in multi-dimensional processing loads--such as rendering graphics, playing sound, or decoding video--than a single core's performance because the time spent at a given clock rate is non-linearly less than if it were processed on a single core at a higher frequency. We want a balance of battery life and performance, and that requires using both cores. The other core will kick on when necessary to "fill in the gaps" under such a load, so our measurement stands. For our purposes, the nominal frequency for a given task is the sum of the frequencies of all cores always on at a given clock rate.
Efficient Clock Rates
Efficient clock rates are CPU clock rates that are unique in that they are the most optimal frequency given the range of voltage requirements. If you map out the frequency jump and the voltage requirement jump between each of the available clock rates, you will find that occasionally the voltage requirement will jump significantly without the frequency jumping proportionally to the previous differentials. For example, using stock voltages, the EvoLTE's msm8960 chipset clock/voltage ratios jump significantly higher from 702Mhz to 810Mhz than the ratios from 594Mhz to 702Mhz.
Using stock voltages, the EvoLTE's efficient clock rates are:
384Mhz
702Mhz
1026Mhz
1512Mhz
These are the clock rates that are at the top tier of each of their voltage ranges, before each anomalous ratio jump. These are the most voltage efficient clock rates using stock EvoLTE voltages. If you are using a custom kernel or have changed your voltages (or a totally different phone altogether), your efficient clock rates may be different. Calculate them as applicable to your setup! List the clock rate differences between each frequency step and the differences for each frequency's voltages. You will see an anomalous voltage jump every several frequency steps. The frequency before this jump is the next efficient clock rate. Write it down and keep going through the frequency steps until you have exhausted them.
Clock Rate Biases
Using the information provided above, figure out both your nominal clock rates for the tasks you perform most often and your efficient clock rates depending on your kernel/custom voltage settings. For me, since I am using stock voltages, I use the efficient clock rates listed above. For the tasks I generally perform on my phone, my nominal clock rates are as follows:
Idle - 189Mhz
Page Scrolling - 864Mhz
Video - 1134Mhz
App Loading - 1350Mhz
High Load Processing - 1512Mhz
(Note that my nominal idle speed is less than stock. This is why you must calculate the values that are optimal for your phone for best battery and performance! Each phone is different because of the ROM, kernel, background tasks, etc!)
Once you've listed all of your nominal clock rates, try to consolidate them if you have more than 3. (This is not entirely necessary as you'll see later, but it simplifies things significantly until you're more comfortable dictating more than a few clock rates for your needed task loads.) If you have any tasks that rest in the far upper portion of the frequency spectrum, discard them! We are by no means underclocking anything, but we are trying to keep the CPU clock rate as low as possible for as long as possible. However, the fastest frequencies will be available for sustained load processing, as you will see later. In my case, in addition to discarding the "high load processing", I'll sacrifice a (very) little app loading speed and consolidate video and app loading:
Idle - 189Mhz
Page Scrolling - 864Mhz
Video/App Loading - 1134Mhz
With this done, you will want to start the fine tuning phase! Correlate the efficient clock rates with their closest nominal clock rates, similar to below:
Idle - 189Mhz efficient / 189Mhz nominal
Page Scrolling - 710Mhz efficient / 864Mhz nominal
Video/App Loading - 1026Mhz efficient / 1134Mhz nominal
Keep these handy, as they're going to be necessary for...
The Set Up
Now that we know what are the most efficient clock rates we want to focus on and what the most optimal are for what we want to do, we will start low and scale up as necessary. It's always better to begin with underperforming and tweak the settings upward until we're satisfied with the performance of our target tasks.
In its default state, the Interactive governor has a hair trigger that will raise and lower the clock rates, which means it spends too much time at unnecessary clock speeds, wasting power, and scales down too quickly, leading to stuttering performance. We will take advantage of a seldom used feature of the Interactive governor. Specifically, that with which it determines when it is okay to scale up to each higher clock rate, on a frequency by frequency basis.
We have two primary goals: respond as quickly as possible to each load request for a lag free experience and exceed the desired clock rate for a given task as little as possible. To do this, we will instruct the Interactive governor to trigger certain clock rates in different ways depending on our expected load.
I won't explain all of the settings of the Interactive governor--there are plenty of summaries all around. (Go search now if you don't know what any of the settings for Interactive governor do. I'll wait here.) However, I will explain an incredibly powerful feature of the Interactive governor that is rarely included in those summaries: multiple frequency adjustments.
The above_highspeed_delay setting, for example, defines how long the governor should wait before escalating the clock rate beyond what's set in highspeed_freq. However, you can define multiple different delays that the governor should use for any specified frequency.
For example, we want the above_highspeed_delay as low as possible to get the CPU out of the idle state as quickly as possible when a significant load is applied. However, we don't want it to jump immediately to the fastest clock rate once it's gotten out of idle, as that may be overkill for the current task. Our target trigger (which you will later adjust to suit your system and usage profile), will begin at 20000μs. That means 20,000μs (or 20ms) after our idle max load has been reached, we want to assume idle has been broken and we want to perform an actual task. (We want this value as low as possible without false positives, because it is one of a few factors that determine how snappy and lag free the CPU's response is.)
But at this point we're not ready to take on a full processing load. We may just be briefly scrolling a webpage and don't need the full power of the CPU now that we've allowed it to break out of idle. So we need it to reach a particular frequency and then hold it there again until we're sure the load is justified before we allow it to push the frequency even higher. To do that, rather than just setting
above_highspeed_delay - 20000
we will instead use the format "frequency:delay" to set
above_highspeed_delay - 20000 702000:60000
"Waaaait... What does that do?!"
This tells the Interactive governor to hold out 20ms after our target load when it's at our highspeed_freq (which we're actually using as our idle frequency--not a burst frequency as originally intended), but then it tells the governor to hold for 60ms after it's reached 702Mhz. (If you don't know what I'm talking about when I say "highspeed_freq" then you didn't go search for the basic Interactive governor settings and read about it! Go do that before you read any further, because I will not explain the basics of this governor!)
So now that we know how to specify different settings for different frequency ranges, let's finish it all up with...
The Money Shot
If you've made it this far, you're ready to put these strategies into play! If you have not read the previous sections, DO NOT COMPLAIN IF THE DEFAULT SETTINGS DON'T PROVIDE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR!! These settings are templates only and these need to be adjusted for each case based on your system and usage patterns! IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE PERFORMANCE OR BATTERY LIFE PROMISED, ***READ THE SECTIONS ABOVE!!!***
With that out of the way... let's rock!
If you are using an EvoLTE, use the following Interactive governor settings and then tweak with the instructions below:
(If you are using a phone other than an EvoLTE, you must read the above sections and replace the frequencies with your own efficient clock rates!)
above_highspeed_delay - 20000 702000:60000 1026000:150000
boost - 0
boostpulse_duration - 80000
go_highspeed_load - 99
hispeed_freq - 384000
io_is_busy - 0
min_sample_time - 40000
target_loads - 98 384000:40 702000:80 1026000:95
timer_rate - 30000
timer_slack - 80000
These defaults work fine for me, but I have otherwise optimized my system fully, so they are at the minimal adequate values. If you have background tasks that consume any somewhat significant amount of CPU on a constant basis, you will most likely see awful, stuttery performance and poor battery life! So you must adjust them to suit your system before you see results!!! Anything more than about 15-20% idle CPU use at any given time will negatively affect the results you see without further tweaking!
Optimize Idle Frequency
Now that you've got the base configuration, we need to tweak it so that the CPU stays at your efficient idle frequency (384Mhz in this case) without spontaneously jumping when your phone is actually idle. To do this, open a CPU monitor that displays the current core frequencies (I like CoolTool, but you can use what you like as long as it doesn't significantly impact the CPU use--you're best off using a passive monitor and checking the results after 30-60 seconds of no activity), watch the frequencies and see how often they go above your efficient idle frequency when you're not doing anything at all, and adjust the following:
timer_rate - If your idle frequency is not being exceeded much, adjust this downward in increments of 5000 until it is, then increase it by 5000. If your idle frequency is being exceeded often, adjust this upward in increments of 5000 until your CPU primarily stays at or below your desired idle frequency.
above_highspeed_delay - Only if your timer_rate has matched or exceeded 50000 and still won't stay at or below your desired idle frequency most of the time, set timer_rate to 50000 and adjust the "20000" portion of the value upwards in increments of 5000 until the idle frequency has stabilized.
The lower these two values are, the more snappy/lag free your system will be. So try to get them as low as possible without the idle frequency being exceeded too much, as this inversely affects the snappiness and efficiency of your phone when you're not doing anything. Lower = snappier but uses more CPU when you're not doing anything (such as reading a webpage); higher = less snappy but stays in a power saving state more often reducing CPU use when you're not interacting with the device. These are the most critical in determining your idle power savings, so keep that in mind if you want the most battery life!
Enhance Task Responsiveness
Now use the efficiency and nominal clock rate correlations you made for your master clock rate list in the section above and adjust your frequencies to suit your usage patterns. For example, I had web page scrolling as my 710Mhz/864Mhz rates, so I will open a web page and scroll and see how everything feels. If it feels sluggish, I will increase all the references to "710000" in both above_highspeed_delay and target_loads upwards to the next available clock rate until that task is smooth. What you are looking for is constant poor/sluggish performance when the task you're testing for is using its highest CPU use. If the task becomes sluggish/stuttery as it winds down (such as a scrolling webpage slowing to a stop), we will address that next, so do not take that behavior into consideration as you adjust these values! If the task is smooth until (or after) it slows down, then you have reached your optimal clock rate and can move on.
If you need to exceed your nominal clock rate for a particular task, first measure it again just to be sure you had it correct. If you did indeed have it correct, leave it at your nominal clock rate and adjust the value after the colon next to the task frequency you're tuning downward in increments of 5. For example, if my setting of "864000:80" is still not sufficient, I will adjust it first to "864000:75", then "864000:70", and so on until the task is smooth. However, it almost certainly won't come to this, but if you reach ":50" and the task still isn't performing how you want, set it back to ":80" and increase the clock step once more, then decrease the ":80" until it is smooth.
Do the same for each other frequency in your master clock rate list until you are satisfied. If you have chosen to use more than 2 primary clock rates, add them and use ":##" values between the two surrounding frequency values.
Fix Stuttering
Now that you have adjusted your frequencies for optimal high CPU use in each given task, you may notice some stuttering as the task winds down. (Such as a scrolling webpage slowing to a stop.) If this bothers you, you can tweak this at the expense of some (minor) battery life by adjusting min_sample_time up in increments of 5000 until you are satisfied.
If you have exceeded a value of 100000 for the min_sample_time setting and still are not satisfied, change it back to 40000 and increase (and re-optimize) your idle frequency by one step. This will impact battery life more, but less than if you were to keep increasing the value of min_sample_time.
Adjust High Load Clock Rates
You're almost done! Now you can leave everything as is and be satisfied with your amazing, buttery smooth, snappy experience, or you can optionally tweak things further to either increase the responsiveness of high load tasks (such as loading image previews in Gallery) or increase battery life somewhat.
Adjust the final delay value in above_highspeed_delay to suit your needs. The default ("150000") means that the CPU load at the highest set frequency (default "1026000") will have to be sustained for 150ms before it allows the load to go above that frequency. Increasing this value will prevent the CPU from reaching higher frequencies (which may be unnecessary) as often, saving battery life. This will come at the expense of burst-type high CPU load tasks. Reducing it will allow the CPU to reach higher frequencies more often, at the expense of battery life. However, adjusting this is probably unnecessary, as it will most likely not yield any perceptible difference in performance. It is recommended to leave this value at its default.
The Conclusion
I have achieved unprecedented performance, smoothness, snappiness, and battery life with the default settings I outlined above. However, your mileage may vary, as every phone, ROM, kernel, installed applications, etc are different. This is a very sensitive governor profile and must be tweaked to just meet the requirements of your system and your usage patterns!
If it is not optimally tuned, performance and battery life will suffer! If you're not seeing buttery smooth, snappy performance, you have not correctly tuned it for your system!! However, if you do have superb performance (and you tweaked the values conservatively and not in large steps), then you will also get the aforementioned battery life.
I will be happy to answer any questions, or provide any guidance I can. However:
You must otherwise optimize your phone first! This will not "fix" a poorly optimized system and will, in fact, reduce performance and battery life without further optimization and proper tweaking.
I will not answer questions about "what is a governor?" There are plenty of resources available already, so search for them.
I will not answer questions about "how can I tweak [some other] governor?" This is about the Interactive governor only.
I will not respond to "nuh uh! show proof!" posts. The fact that I spent 12 hours writing this up should be proof enough that I am satisfied with the results. You can take it or leave it; makes no difference to me. The default settings should work with any fully optimized EvoLTE, so just try them on your own. If you're not absolutely satisfied (and trust me, either it'll work out-of-the-box with flying colors and you'll know it works for your system, or it'll be an awful experience which means you must tweak it), then you haven't adequately adjusted the settings to suit your system.
Lemme know what you think, and good luck!
Really nice write up! Easy to read and understand. One question, how exactly are you changing the above high-speed delay. I input exactly but when I save and go back it's bank only to 20000
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Great article!
jmkarnai01 said:
Really nice write up! Easy to read and understand. One question, how exactly are you changing the above high-speed delay. I input exactly but when I save and go back it's bank only to 20000
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I was wondering the same thing.
jmkarnai01 said:
Really nice write up! Easy to read and understand. One question, how exactly are you changing the above high-speed delay. I input exactly but when I save and go back it's bank only to 20000
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I use the the fku updater app the paid version and all my settings stick on my g3 and my m8
Nice write up. Just the sort of info I've been looking for
Well done sir
Great information here!
Finally someone makes complete guide on this governor
hello..i am not an advanced user like you guys..great work !..i try my best to understand,i read threw every word,even though i dont have your device.i am useing a htc m8 on sprint..i flashed the kernal after reading all about it..i do want amazeing battery life,i work all the time,constantly networking and listening to music,useing data all the time really,i understand these things will kill battery no matter what..i also know you said if we have abother device other than the evo the device you laid out exact settings for,we would have to tweak on our own..and without you haveing the device i have im sure be hard to give some advice..couple questions?- 1.)if i just use default settings,and change nothing will it benifit me at all,or did i just flash the kernal for nothing,since im not advanced enough to really tweak kernal on my own..2)is there anyway possible to get exact instrutions for my device like you gave for the evo...just wanted to add how lucky users of that device are for you to of givein these details,you seem to of really mastered that device..thanks for hard work either way..if i cant get nothing out of this,its ok i can allways just wipe device and restore back up without the kernal installed...
Very nice, well-written guide. Thanks a lot!
@soniCron: How do I turn on and of cores one by one? I have quad core.
Hi soniCron, I just wanted to let you know that I followed your guide and tweaked my OnePlus One. Great results so far, and stellar battery life. I'm very happy with it, thanks
Phazonclash said:
Hi soniCron, I just wanted to let you know that I followed your guide and tweaked my OnePlus One. Great results so far, and stellar battery life. I'm very happy with it, thanks
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Can you share your changes/parameter settings?
Maybe via pm if not using the thread?
solar666 said:
Can you share your changes/parameter settings?
Maybe via pm if not using the thread?
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above_hispeed_delay 20000 652800:20000 1190400:40000 1497600:60000 2265600:80000
boost 0
bootpulse duration 80000
go_hispeed_load 99
hispeed_freq 652800
io_is_busy 0
mac_freq_hysteresis 10000
min_sample_time 60000
target_loads 98 652800:40 1190400:70 1497600:80 2265600:90
timer_rate 30000
timer_slack 40000
How the lemon does this guide only have 2 pages?
Great guide, thanks a lot, going to try it with my oneplus one now
thewind730 said:
I use the the fku updater app the paid version and all my settings stick on my g3 and my m8
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Can you share please your M8 settings and tell if it really had an impact on performance and battery life. Thanks.
Also I cannot save the edited parameters files under /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/interactive although I have full root. Any suggestions? I have an HTC One M8 with ViperOneM8 4.3, rooted and S-Off.
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Can you share please your M8 settings and tell if it really had an impact on performance and battery life. Thanks.
Also I cannot save the edited parameters files under /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/interactive although I have full root. Any suggestions? I have an HTC One M8 with ViperOneM8 4.3, rooted and S-Off.
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I'm testing this guide on my LG G2 and it seems to work pretty well.
Good job :good:
Awesome! I just tweaked mine now to the lowest frequencies that is lag free and will check tomorrow if battery life of my htc one m9 has improved somehow.
Also you might want to add this link to kernel cpu governor documentation. Which pretty much explains the other variables.
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Can u share ur m8 settings to try out please...... Thanks
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