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Looking for help/suggestions.
I have 2 aria that developed random reboot for no apparent reason...
My work aria was rooted and s-off running cm7.1 for about a month with no issues, I've flashed kang cm7.2 and all seemed ok, but the next morning the phone was dead (it was at 50% before going to sleep). charged it in the morning (the battery was 0%), came to work and while it was on my desk the phone rebooted and continued to do that through out the day. At home, i did factory reset, did not help. I've put it back to s-on and put back the stack ATT 2.2, same results, continues to re-boot at random intervals. Thinking it was hardware, got my job to get me a different phone.
3 weeks later, my wife's aria (rooted but still s-on) running cm7.1 started to run extremely slow and battery would drain in about 5 hours. I've done factory reset, clear everything and it still doing random re-boots just like my aria.
With one aria, I thought that it was a hardware issue, but now 2 arias, looks like os/software. Resetting/ re flashing does not help.
Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
Are the devices overclocked?
Theonew said:
Are the devices overclocked?
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yes, they both were overclocked, do not remember at what level, i think whatever the cm7.1 default was.... I did put them back to 600, which did not help.
Thank you
was such a problem! htc aria repaired and the problem was in nand module! I advise to contact the warranty service center!
dimon2242 said:
was such a problem! htc aria repaired and the problem was in nand module! I advise to contact the warranty service center!
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Thank you, I gave mine back at work, my wife's is out of warranty. Interesting that both of them developed the same problem (i haven't touched wife's in months). Do you know what may cause such a problem?
Did you try doing "format system" before doing a clean install? Also make sure you are using a recent version of Clockworkmod (5.x).
strykme said:
Thank you, I gave mine back at work, my wife's is out of warranty. Interesting that both of them developed the same problem (i haven't touched wife's in months). Do you know what may cause such a problem?
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You should touch your wife('s) more often
Sorry, couldn't resist
Running CM-7.2.0-RC for about a month and the Airia just started random rebooting this morning. Nothing changed except some software updates -- such as Google Maps.
I restored to a NAndroid backup from 3 weeks ago and it still random reboots. Suspecting a hardware problem, I even put the SD card in another Airia and restored the older NAndroid backup, but still having the reboot problem.
Any thoughts?
yar2 said:
Running CM-7.2.0-RC for about a month and the Airia just started random rebooting this morning. Nothing changed except some software updates -- such as Google Maps.
I restored to a NAndroid backup from 3 weeks ago and it still random reboots. Suspecting a hardware problem, I even put the SD card in another Airia and restored the older NAndroid backup, but still having the reboot problem.
Any thoughts?
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yea i do
malware
wipe the phone , then check it out
I have performed factory resets and all other formats and clear functions in Clockworkmod. Should I refomate the SD card too?
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yar2 said:
I have performed factory resets and all other formats and clear functions in Clockworkmod. Should I refomate the SD card too?
Sent from my Liberty using XDA
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Can, because possible errors on the SD card
I still have not solved the random reboot issues. I have two Arias with the exact same problem. I think I somehow contaminated the 2nd phone by swaping SD cards and loading a Nandroid backup from the 1st phone. Both phones are rooted.
I have tried loading 4 roms -- Liberated, CM7.1 stable, CM7.2 RC and Menjeni's version of CM9 and have the exact same random reboot problem Seems like the phones works for anywhere from 5 minutes to over an hour and then reboot.
When I load the different ROMs I wipe everything -- the factory data reset, all the caches and re-formats that CWM offers. I also reformatted the SD card and reloaded CWM via Rom Manger in an effort to completely clean the phone. I also ran two a virus/malware scans on the phone and SD card -- which found no errors.
Is there something else I can do to further clean the phones? Since the same problem is with both phones, I seriously doubt its a hardware problem.
Anyone interested in purchasing 2 somewhat functioning Arias?
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I still have not solved the random reboot issues.
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yar2, what HBOOT version do you have on the two devices?
HBOOT 6.02.1002
Thanks for trying to help me with this!
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HBOOT 6.02.1002
Thanks for trying to help me with this!
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OK. I'm assuming you have an AT&T Aria. If not let me know.
Here's what I'd suggest you do. I'm basically trying the most extreme steps to correct the issue so we can verify if the issue is something that can be corrected or not.
1) Reformat your SD card(s) with SD Formatter 3.1. This tool sometimes fixes hard to detect problems that aren't corrected when formatting with other methods. (Default settings are fine.)
2) Run the AT&T 2.2.2 RUU to revert your phone to almost 100% stock. I say almost because the RUU will NOT change your HBOOT, which means even after doing this process, you will still have S-OFF.
3) Try using the phone with the stock unmodified ROM to see if you experience the random reboots you described. If you do, the rest of the steps are not necessary and it's probably a hardware issue.
4) Install CWM by putting your phone into FASTBOOT mode, then using the Android Flasher utility to install the latest version of Clockworkmod. Use this version: http://www.mediafire.com/?lg6b63aqpi1cvbg (source). If you know how to do this from command line with the fastboot command line tool, that is fine too.
5) Boot into CWM. Do factory reset/wipe data and format system partition. Then install the ROM of your choice. I'd suggest something like a recent version of CM7 since it is very stable. If using CM7, install 20110828 gapps immediately after flashing CM7. Reboot and see how it goes.
Even if you already downloaded any of the above files, delete them and download them again this time around (or check the md5 sums if you know how). It's possible the files were corrupted when you downloaded them before and that is why you keep having problems.
Also, as an aside: Are you using third-party batteries with your devices?
Aria random reboot
Thanks drumist for all you advice! When I did my last attempt at a clean install, I used a spare SD card that had never been in the phone.
Both phones are AT&T Arias with the original batteries. I liked the Aria size so much that I upgraded my wife's expired Iphone contract when AT&T was providing a free Aria upgrade just to have a spare in case I damaged one by rooting. Now I have managed to mess up both phones!
I was thinking my next step would be to go back to a stock state, as you recommend. I was thinking of going even further and un-rooting and S-On. Do you think the problem could be in the Hboot partition? And wouldn't going back to S-on replace the Hboot?
I still think I somehow contaminated the 2nd phone by restoring a Nandriod backup from the first phone. The 2nd phone was working find until I did the restore.
Regardless, I will try what you suggest and let you know the results.
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I was thinking my next step would be to go back to a stock state, as you recommend. I was thinking of going even further and un-rooting and S-On. Do you think the problem could be in the Hboot partition? And wouldn't going back to S-on replace the Hboot?
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Reverting the HBOOT to stock (and yes, returning to S-ON) has some risk -- i.e., if you make a mistake during the process, you can permanently brick the device, so I wouldn't recommend that except as a last resort. The RUU will reflash every other partition on your phone back to stock besides the HBOOT and is safe to do, so stick with that.
I still think I somehow contaminated the 2nd phone by restoring a Nandriod backup from the first phone. The 2nd phone was working find until I did the restore.
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Yeah, it's possible. If that is the case, though, the HBOOT wouldn't be the problem (because Nandroid backups do not touch the HBOOT). The RUU will reflash every partition that Nandroid touches.
If you already tried using a different SD card, then I wouldn't worry about using that SD Formatter tool.
Can't find a copy of the AT&T 2.2.2 RUU. They took it off the HTC website. The instructions there are for an OTA update, which I can't do since I'm not running the stock rom.
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Never mind. I found a copy of the RUU on my laptop.
I have installed the hboot drivers and the phone shows up as a device on my computer, but the RUU says it can't find my phone. I am running Windows 7, if that makes any difference.
Got the RUU to load from an XP machine. Bad news is that the phone still randomly reboots.
I guess the only other step is to un-root and S-On. What have I got to lose. Can't use the phones as they are now.
Got a good way to do this?
This is my first time trying to ask help on the forums, considering i've never run across a issue of this magnitude with my HTC Evo 4g before. So please do try to help me out if its in the wrong thread, etc..
Anywho onto the problem
im not sure how to classify my problem
I have a htc evo 4g rooted, Via revolutionary method, im not sure if this plays a part in causing my htc evo 4g to reboot randomly every 1-5minutes.
This problem only comes up when i flash any other rom on my device. I first tried flashing Fresh Evo 4.3.3and after 1-5 minutes of use my phone goes into a reboot mode (when i attempt to download anything through market place, or heck i leave the phone idle).
I had also tried flashing the MikGinger - Re-Eng GB Sense (3/9/2012)
I did wipe data/factory reset
wipe cache partition
and also wipe dalvik cache 3x before each rom install.
This definitely didnt help what so ever. What my issue is, is that the stock rom (root enabled) android 2.3.3 functions perfectly fine but every other rom i attempt to flash works to the extent of 1-5 minutes idle or not. It forces a reboot. Oh and the kernel used on the android 2.3.3 rom is freedom-v0.8.5-UNIVERSAL-signed.zip Its the only kernel that runs stably on my htc evo 4g, enabling tethering, and full scale rooting, with semi stable functionality
Heres the current stock recovery menu version when i hold down Power and +volume
-Revolutionary-
SUPERSONIC EV2T2-3 Ship S-OFF
HBOOT-6.16.1002
MICROP-041f
TOUCH PANE-ATMEL224_16ab
RADIO-2.15.00.05.02
Mar 8 2011, 17:02:15
i also have clockworkmod Recovery v5.0.2.2 installed.
*Notes*
I always make nandroid backups, and i keep multiple ones backed up on the pc and phone for just incase measures like this one.
Im unable to diagnose what exactly my phones malfunction is so anyone who can provide useful info on how to diagnose the problem please do give me some advice, as everything else i've tried so far has failed (flashing, unrooting, re-rooting revolutionary method).
I'd also appreciate any advice that doesn't point me towards unrooting again and returning my device (as this is the 2nd htc evo 4g i have gone through, and the sprint repair center techs are idiots as far as im concerned. Their replacement htc evo's come shipped out refurbed and updated hboot which is harder to root and the stories go on and on.)
Try switching to Amon Ra recovery. You can use the original version - latest version is 2.3, or use the Amon Ra style recovery, I believe that the latest version is 3.11. Flash one of those as PC36IMG.zip via hboot.
From there, wipe everything except the SD card and battery stats, then flash whichever rom you want. Don't flash a kernel, just let it boot up and sit for at least five minutes. Then flash whatever mods you want to flash.
Hopefully it's just that things aren't being wiped properly - CWM is known for this on the Evo. Wiping system and boot via Amon Ra will hopefully get you on the right track.
If not, Evos can have a reboot issue that requires a replacement. Unfortunately if it doesn't do it on the stock rom then reproducible the problem for Sprint may be difficult. Hopefully it won't come to that.
alright ill give it a go, i did a system restore, and rolled back my phone to android 2.3.3 I'll try doing amon recovery later on tomorrow or come sunday. I need my phone to be in a operable stat to function for work. I'll be sure to post my results though. In the mean time if you can post a link (i dont mean to be lazy) just im heading to bed now.
And yes it is hard to reproduce errors for sprint techs. They think all it requires is a simple factory reset, and then install the most up to date RUU and it fixes the problem. If anything it makes the problem worse, as this is what happened with my first htc evo 4g (from launch). Except it caused the phone into a hard core brick like state. it literally locked you out of every function but dialing 911.
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Forgot to mention i updated my
-Revolutionary-
SUPERSONIC EV2T2-3 Ship S-OFF
HBOOT-6.16.1002
MICROP-041f
TOUCH PANE-ATMEL224_16ab
RADIO-2.15.00.05.02
Mar 8 2011, 17:02:15
to
-Revolutionary-
SUPERSONIC EV2T2-3 Ship S-OFF
HBOOT-6.16.1002
MICROP-041f
TOUCH PANE-ATMEL224_16ab
RADIO-2.15.00.12.19
Mar 8 2011, 17:02:15
(Just the radio was updated, updating radio did more than enhance signal quality it also broke some system functions, and alleviated other issues like glitchy rebooting bugs).
Its notable that after re-installing a backup of my android 2.3.3 alot of things restored broken (Broken links, that a fix permissions wouldnt fix), so i did another
wipe data/factory reset
wipe cache partition
wipe dalvik cache
from within CWM. (Im still surprised i havent borked my RSA keys yet, from the 39 times i have attempted reflashing both fresh & mikginger{Regardless a new rsa key backup was made})
{Question, since i have 2 RSA key backups, one from my original HTC EVO 4g, can i use them on the new device, or flash it to another 3g/4g enabled hotspot considering it is a active and available key? Or will it only function on the htc Evo 4g it was binded with (MAC address wise?) I havent tested it yet, and i dont know if ill set off red-flags. Hence the question.}
Then restored the phone, i noticed alot of things changed, like suddenly a vast majority of quirky reboots disappeared (Overclocking cpu suddenly doesnt cause a forced reboot if overclock is left to long due to overheat, it instead stalls and then crashes sense, and functions again instead of rebooting) a very nice improvement.
I've almost reinstalled everything through titanium backup, but only certain programs, im trying the one by one install, method, and seeing if this will beable to be upgraded to fresh 4.3.3 because if it can, then ill be a happy camper. Till then, ill explore your option, and if it backfires ill continue testing out my new fresh install of android 2.3.3 (rooted), with ICQ removed, and 98% of the stock apps removed. See how far i can get on getting my phone to run like android 2.3.2 the most stable android os i have ever run
(I dont want to restore my android 2.3.2 backup though to buggy, the only qirk was the texting bug and dialer bug, if its possible to port over the 2.3.3 updates to the text bug, and dialer bug, please do tell me as attempting to install from 2.3.3 into 2.3.2 tends to make the system run into a endless boot on 2.3.2)
I'm getting ready to head to work, but I just wanted to let you know to NOT restore a wimax backup from one phone to another. Toss it, it has no use now.
Amon Ra is in the Evo Development section. If I have time later tonight at work I'll post the link, but for now I gotta run. I will check back in with you though.
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I'm getting ready to head to work, but I just wanted to let you know to NOT restore a wimax backup from one phone to another. Toss it, it has no use now.
Amon Ra is in the Evo Development section. If I have time later tonight at work I'll post the link, but for now I gotta run. I will check back in with you though.
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Do you mean install this version of Amon Ra? Just to clarify Amon Ra and CWM have their own ways of making a full backup, and i cannot just restore a backup made with CWM via Amon Ra, or can i? Im new to using Amon Ra, as i never trusted it much (to worried it may cause more harm than good, as im more use to using CWM)
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Yep i tried Amon Ra, it didnt work. I tried reflashing Fresh 4.3.3 2x and it ended it the same 1-5minute idle or not before reboot failure, same with MikGinger - Re-Eng GB Sense (3/9/2012). Nothing works but the stock roms with SU added in. I tried with my android 2.3.3 backup, and android 2.3.2. It seems my phone is incapable of working on android 4.3.3 but it works on all previous builds. It makes no sense to me though why it is like this, anyone think they can explain as to whats going on exactly with my phone?
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Do you mean install this version of Amon Ra? Just to clarify Amon Ra and CWM have their own ways of making a full backup, and i cannot just restore a backup made with CWM via Amon Ra, or can i? Im new to using Amon Ra, as i never trusted it much (to worried it may cause more harm than good, as im more use to using CWM)
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Yep i tried Amon Ra, it didnt work. I tried reflashing Fresh 4.3.3 2x and it ended it the same 1-5minute idle or not before reboot failure, same with MikGinger - Re-Eng GB Sense (3/9/2012). Nothing works but the stock roms with SU added in. I tried with my android 2.3.3 backup, and android 2.3.2. It seems my phone is incapable of working on android 4.3.3 but it works on all previous builds. It makes no sense to me though why it is like this, anyone think they can explain as to whats going on exactly with my phone?
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I think it might be that you needed to update your radio and that fixed some things, but also I notice that your HBOOT version is not the right version. that version is only used to downgrade so you can gain s-off. use the hboots in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485
try that and see if it works
I just rooted my new HTC EVO LTE phone recently because I had to get a new one. Any way, after rooting it, I imminently made a nandroid back up. Then I flashed a few different roms and recoverys. However, what I found out is after I flash a new rom, my wifi says error and won't turn on. I'm not sure what the problem is. And yes, I cleared everything out before flashing a new rom. However, what is even more interesting is I can use my recovery that I made after rooting my phone to go back to the stock rom and it has no trouble with the wifi. I'm not sure why I'm getting this error or how to fix it.
I've thought about flashing some new radios, but I've had issues in the past with this phone trying to make it S-Off, so as a result it is currently S-On. I would like it to be S-off, but after having a lot of experience with it, I've learned it is very time consuming to do and it is a pain to get it to work, it almost always bricks my phone and then I have to go unbrick it in Linux.
I'm planning on running through the rooting method again to see if that does anything, but I'm doubtful. I've also tried updating the prl, profile, firmware and HTC software with no luck. Let me know if anyone has any suggestions. Thanks.
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I just rooted my new HTC EVO LTE phone recently because I had to get a new one. Any way, after rooting it, I imminently made a nandroid back up. Then I flashed a few different roms and recoverys. However, what I found out is after I flash a new rom, my wifi says error and won't turn on. I'm not sure what the problem is. And yes, I cleared everything out before flashing a new rom. However, what is even more interesting is I can use my recovery that I made after rooting my phone to go back to the stock rom and it has no trouble with the wifi. I'm not sure why I'm getting this error or how to fix it.
I've thought about flashing some new radios, but I've had issues in the past with this phone trying to make it S-Off, so as a result it is currently S-On. I would like it to be S-off, but after having a lot of experience with it, I've learned it is very time consuming to do and it is a pain to get it to work, it almost always bricks my phone and then I have to go unbrick it in Linux.
I'm planning on running through the rooting method again to see if that does anything, but I'm doubtful. I've also tried updating the prl, profile, firmware and HTC software with no luck. Let me know if anyone has any suggestions. Thanks.
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S-OFF is really the way to go if it's still an option for you it's the only way to get the new firmware without relocking and taking the OTA then unlocking and rooting again read post 2 in the lazypanda thread found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1737123 just go down the list and verify everything works before running lazypanda there are plenty of members that subscribe to that thread so there is plenty of help availiable
Also, rerooting won't do anything. You're already rooted? Think the problem is in the rom u installed. Possibly a bad download. Try downloading from a good connection and install it again. If it is close to stock like flex's stock w goodies just clear cache and dalvik in recovery.
And what do u mean u tried a few recoveries? Cwm doesnt work well with the evo LTE. Try twrp 2.2 and leave it alone until its updated again.
What is your hboot? What rom did you try flashing?
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Im also getting this issue and i know its not anything to do with rooting and all that since ive been rooted since i picked this up from best buy on preorder release day and ive been flashing and running the same rom and mods forever now also i was using wifi yesterday soooo yea lol
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First, I don't believe I can make my phone S-off, because it has software version 2.13.651.1 710Rd on it and even though I do have a nandroid back on 1.13 hboot, for the default rom from a long time ago with my old HTC EVO LTE, I can't flash back a hboot to 1.13 so I believe I'm stuck S-On for now. Let me know if I'm wrong.
I've attempted several different roms including fresh rom 5.1.1, viper4G_1.0.0, and a jelly bean rom (cm-cfX-20120904-OFFICIAL-jewel all with the same problem. As for recoverys, I should have said I've tried restoring back to several different nandroid backups that I created in the past that were working just find with my old HTC EVO LTE.
Right now my phone is unlocked and rooted. I am running H Boot-1.19.000, I am S-On, and Radio-1.12.11.0809.
I know this problem has something to do with flashing new roms, because when I do a nandroid back up to the default rom, I don't have this problem, and the wifi is working great, I only have this problem if I try to flash any custom rom or use a nandroid backup that I made with my old HTC EVO LTE.
Again, this is not my first time around the track with an HTC EVO LTE, this just happens to be a new phone that I recently got from Sprint when they were thinking my dropped calls were caused by my phone when in fact they figured out they had a tower down. Since then, the tower is back up, so that is why I just rooted this new phone they gave me.
Let me know if you have any suggestions or if you need anymore information.
It's been while now, and I haven't gotten a real response back yet, and I was wondering if anyone knows anything that will help me out? Thanks.
Edit: Found out that I simply needed to flash the boot.img manually of what ever custom rom that I want to switch to in order to get around being S-On.
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It's been while now, and I haven't gotten a real response back yet, and I was wondering if anyone knows anything that will help me out? Thanks.
Edit: Found out that I simply needed to flash the boot.img manually of what ever custom rom that I want to switch to in order to get around being S-On.
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Hey im having the same exact issue I however went back to my stock backup from right after I rooted. The issue I had was I flashed a CMX nightly. I had been running them fine and suddenly everything went haywire i was bootlooping but only after about 30 seconds after the rom would load up. I'd have just under a minute to fish around and the it would reboot again. it was in this short window that I saw the wifi error and that it would not connect to the sprint network at all for voice or data. Im S-On Hboot 1.15 Evo LTE. I used Flash GUI to go from Stock sense to CMX as im sure youve figured out you have to do. Since i had backups of previous CMX nightlies I tried to just restore But none of my nandroids would fix the looping issue I managed to flash the boot img from the CMX rom i was previously on through adb/fastboot and it took but still my device kept looping. Finally i found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1917106 but I didn't have any Sense Based Roms only my Stock Nandroid back up. So i used the Boot Image Flasher Tool, it took, then Instead of rebooting the system I went straight to my custom recovery and restored my Stock Sense BackUp since the tool flashes the stock sense kernel. To my relief the phone booted right up no problem connected to the network and all but to my dissmay the wifi is STILL broken somehow it says error and will not switch on. Everything else seems to be working fine though. This is crucial there is no way I can go without wifi on my phone. I don't want to ruin anything further or permanitely but i do plan to move forward. My plan is to download a sense rom (MeanRom) which im doing now but it's taking forever on 3G. Wipe everything (using TWRP 2.2) Data Dav rom and use super wipe, and try to install MeanRom. If anyone has any other suggestions Im all ears. Also im alittle confused on the Hboot kernel limitations I know I have to use Flash GUI if Im going from a sense Rom to Aosp and vise versa but do I have to use it when say Going to a nandroid backup of a sense rom while currently on a Aosp rom because I couldnt find a boot.img file in my backup file when i used the tool to extract it. I hate S-On HTC really screwed us with this. And I hate my original evo which had S-Off for dying on me on the 15th day and me having to get this replacement with 1.15 im sorry guys I love this phone but it has become a nightmare and the Evo 3D was no walk in the park either. I apprectiate any comment from anyone this is the first time in almost 8 years of hacking I've been truely worried I may not be able to fix something.
Try this....had the same problem during one of my flashing sessions from rom to rom...this fixed it for me.
You also might want to try a different rom with its corresponding boot img. I'm currently running Venom rom with its boot img file and its working great. Right now, it sounds like your kernel is what is giving you problems like mine, so flashing the correct boot img should fix it.
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Try this....had the same problem during one of my flashing sessions from rom to rom...this fixed it for me.
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Thank you I'll be sure to try this out quick update, in TWRP recovery I had (force MD5 check on all zips?) checked now I don't remember checking it or if it came checked by default but as soon as I unchecked it I was able to run superwipe and flash MeanRom which both failed multiple times when it was checked on. Not sure if this was the cause of my problem but I agree I think I got a bad kernel in the CMX nightly. Either that or the Flash GUI app didnt exract the boot image properly. Either way I haven't been brave enough to try another AOSP rom man I hate having S-On my first Evo was perfect then I get stuck with this locked down replacement. One question though is that boot image for a stock/sense rom just wanna be sure.
vel7wil's advice worked for me I was having the same issue. Download the zip he recommends. Use flash image gui to flash the kernel and clear dalvik and cache. I just did a standard reboot after that and it said "android updating... apps x of xx" then everything was back to working.
Let me start off by saying I have been reading these forums for a couple days and I am just getting more confused.
Currently I have root, S-On, and no other mods or ROMs. I am getting the popup notification to update literally every time I turn on the screen. I can select defer and set a date about a week in the future from whatever day it is, but the popup comes back within the hour. A few times it even began downloading on its own (while on 4G as well, ~100 mb of data used up every time).
All I would like to do is somehow get my phone to be as if I were complete stock and accepted the OTA, keep root, and not have to wipe any data (or be able to restore a full nandroid). I am getting very frustrated with everything and once I think I understand it, someone throws out something new to me.
If anyone is willing to take some time to help me with this I would gladly make a donation, either to them or another party of their choosing
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Let me start off by saying I have been reading these forums for a couple days and I am just getting more confused.
Currently I have root, S-On, and no other mods or ROMs. I am getting the popup notification to update literally every time I turn on the screen. I can select defer and set a date about a week in the future from whatever day it is, but the popup comes back within the hour. A few times it even began downloading on its own (while on 4G as well, ~100 mb of data used up every time).
All I would like to do is somehow get my phone to be as if I were complete stock and accepted the OTA, keep root, and not have to wipe any data (or be able to restore a full nandroid). I am getting very frustrated with everything and once I think I understand it, someone throws out something new to me.
If anyone is willing to take some time to help me with this I would gladly make a donation, either to them or another party of their choosing
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You can simply flash a stock rom that has the update & flash the newer stock kernel that goes with it but you wont be able to update the radios. You wont lose any info this way unless something goes wrong.(always backup everything just in case something goes wrong).
As for backup, you will only be able to backup aps & data with titanium backup or some sort of program like that because If you do a nandroid backup and then restore after applying the update, you would be restoring your old rom basically over the new one and lose most update enhancements.
You should just follow the thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155069 and go S-Off. I know you will have to restore everything because you will wipe your phone when you do this but its only gonna make things easier for you in the future.
Do a nan backup and save it in case you want to use it in the future and go back to what you had. Once you have S-Off, you can flash kernals, radios, & roms and put in any version you want.
Thanks for your response Jrocker,
So it looks like the best way to do this would be to backup my apps with Titanium, get S-off, install a stock ROM with the update, flash the kernel and radio, then restore from Titanium.
Step 1. Make nandroid
Step 2. Backup apps with Titanium, copy backup along with pics and video to PC
Step 3. Get S-off
Step 4. Flash Stock ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149095
Step 5. While still in recovery, flash stock kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149951
Step 6. Flash stock radio http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155915
Step 7. Restore apps and pics.
Does that look correct? Do I have to worry about flashing a boot.img or modules(don't know what those are)?
Spaded21 said:
Thanks for your response Jrocker,
So it looks like the best way to do this would be to backup my apps with Titanium, get S-off, install a stock ROM with the update, flash the kernel and radio, then restore from Titanium.
Step 1. Make nandroid
Step 2. Backup apps with Titanium, copy backup along with pics and video to PC
Step 3. Get S-off
Step 4. Flash Stock ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149095
Step 5. While still in recovery, flash stock kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149951
Step 6. Flash stock radio http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155915
Step 7. Restore apps and pics.
Does that look correct? Do I have to worry about flashing a boot.img or modules(don't know what those are)?
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Have you unlocked the bootloader? (this step is usually done in connection with rooting the phone at the htcdev.com website). If you have an ulocked bootloader, then you can flash an alternate recovery (eithe cwr or twrp) and do a nandroid backup.
Then follow the steps to get s-off. Note: the step where you have your data wiped is unlocking the bootloader, not obtaining s-off. If you already have an alternate recovery, and root, then s-off generally will not wipe your phone. But do an nandroid backup in cwr or twrp just in case Although a nandroid won't backup pictures etc.
Once you have s-off, flash the stock (but rooted) rom you linked to in step 4. This step SHOULD flash the stock kernel if the .zip file was prepared properly. If you boot into the rom and have flickering or wifi issues, then you will need to flash the stock 2.04 kernel (in fastboot). You can also verify if the new kernel was installed when the rom is booted by looking at the Settings:About:Software Information:More (baseband, kernel etc). You should see there kernel version 3.4.10. The baseband (radio) should be 1.01.01.0110 once you have updated the radio (see the step below). The kernel file is the boot.img file you were asking about. The modules will already be built into the stock rom.
While in fastboot (not recovery) you can flash the updated radio files (that will make the baseband referred to above be 1.01.01.0110.
The time when you need to worry about flashing a kernel (boot.img) and modules is if you are s-on, or if you are s-off and the zip file was prepared as you were s-on. When you flash a "kernel", it consists of a boot.img file, along with some extraneous files (the module). When you are s-off, these can both be flashed together while in recovery. When you are s-on, the boot.img file must be flashed from fastboot (or else an alternate method using an app like Flash Image GUI). Because until recently, most DNA's were s-on, the kernel developers prepared their files for s-on devices, with instructions for s-on devices.
When you flash a rom that uses a different kernel than the one you are using, if the .zip file is prepared for a s-off device, then there are no additional steps necessary.
You may want to do a factory reset when you flash the updated 2.04 rom. I think it would be wise. As I said earlier, you shouldn't lose your /sdcard partition UNLESS you haven't already unlocked your bootloader. s-off doesn't reset your device.
Wow, all I can say is thank you so much! That was an awesome, detailed answer. It makes so much more sense when someone fully explains everything all at once, instead of me trying to piece everything together myself from various threads.
Yes my bootloader is unlocked. So you are saying once the bootloader is unlocked wiping data won't touch the SD card partition, just as if I had an actual SD card? When I rooted my Thunderbolt and did subsequent factory resets on that, it never touched the SD card. When I rooted my DNA it wiped everything. Either way I will always make backups and copy those to my PC.
I will be trying this later today and I will report back with the results. Seriously, thank you so much.
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Wow, all I can say is thank you so much! That was an awesome, detailed answer. It makes so much more sense when someone fully explains everything all at once, instead of me trying to piece everything together myself from various threads.
Yes my bootloader is unlocked. So you are saying once the bootloader is unlocked wiping data won't touch the SD card partition, just as if I had an actual SD card? When I rooted my Thunderbolt and did subsequent factory resets on that, it never touched the SD card. When I rooted my DNA it wiped everything. Either way I will always make backups and copy those to my PC.
I will be trying this later today and I will report back with the results. Seriously, thank you so much.
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I was looking for this exact solution as well. This was before we had s-off. For a while my solution was to freeze a couple apps in TB so the OTA pop up would stop popping up. I think it was HTC DM 1.0.2219251543..... and HtcDm 1.0.221982913.... Looks the same but they are different.
I like stock but I eventually flashed ViperDNA. It looks like stock but you are able to customize the $h!!t out of it. Its an awesome ROM that I highly recommend. Although you might want to wait until he comes out with 1.2 (the new version with the latest firmware) becuase you have to wipe data. Data wiping isn't a big deal if you use TB.
Ether way you go - Stock ROM or ViperDNA - The recommended way to wipe your device is this way:
(I'm using TWRP but CR should be similar, might be in different menus)
Backup everything using TB
Backup Pics and other docs on internal SD card (JUST IN CASE)
Make Nandroid Backup in Recovery
Wipe Menu-> Wipe Dalvik Cache (some like to wipe 3 times others think its just a waste of time)
Wipe Menu-> Wipe Cache (Factory Reset wipes cache but I like to wipe cache anyway just for completeness )
Wipe Menu-> Factory Reset
Wipe Menu-> System
Don't Format Data and Don't wipe Internal Storage. You will loose SD card contents.
Once you install your ROMS, flash your kernals, flash radios...whatever you want to do...You can restore apps and data from TB
As always, follow the ROMS instructions on their page for more information.
Only Restore User Apps and Data
Never restore any system apps in RED. May not be compatible with new ROM
You can however restore system Data that is in Yellow or Green (DATA ONLY)
Thanks devilsaces
Once I get everything updated and get a good nadroid of the newest firmware with all my apps I will definitely give ViperDNA a shot. I tried a few custom ROMs on my Thunderbolt, and while they were great to customize, they weren't always stable. Like I said I use my phone for work all day so I really need something dependable, and so far stock hasn't let me down.
Thanks again everyone, a lot of great info in this thread. Hopefully this will be useful to others as well.
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Thanks devilsaces
Once I get everything updated and get a good nadroid of the newest firmware with all my apps I will definitely give ViperDNA a shot. I tried a few custom ROMs on my Thunderbolt, and while they were great to customize, they weren't always stable. Like I said I use my phone for work all day so I really need something dependable, and so far stock hasn't let me down.
Thanks again everyone, a lot of great info in this thread. Hopefully this will be useful to others as well.
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Yeah, I had the same problem on the Thunderbolt, nothing stable. Viper however feels great. I would definitely freeze the HTC apps in Titanium Backup to get rid of the annoying pop ups. I noticed Viper has them uninstalled.
About to start, few more questions. The stock ROM I linked to (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149095) says it doesn't have the new firmware, is that different from kernel or anything else? Do I need to flash that as well?
Spaded21 said:
About to start, few more questions. The stock ROM I linked to (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149095) says it doesn't have the new firmware, is that different from kernel or anything else? Do I need to flash that as well?
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I'm actually running that rom right now.
You don't need to flash the radio if you don't want. If you are happy with your cell reception, and battery life, as well as wifi, then you can stay on the original radio.
Or if you'd like to try the new radio, you can flash that (once you have s-off) with this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38197525
I'm not sure if there is a radio flash prepared to go back to the original radio. Generally speaking, once to are s-off, you can change radios at will.
From what I understand, if you flash the rom you linked to, and the radio above, then you will have everything from the update, except the updated hboot. I haven't bothered changing my hboot. changing hboot won't affect the day to day operation of the phone, but it can change the fast boot commands that are available. Until I see a good reason, I am not going to worry about my hboot.
FYI: about changing radios, from what I understand, the radio file is the code that tells the phone how to communicate with the towers. It tells the phone how to adjust the power output of the radio according to the strength of signal from the cell. This can be very aggressive, leading to better signal, at the expense of battery life (increasing power output of the phone radio takes more power from the battery), or it can be conservative, with a little lower quality signal, but conserving battery life.
It seems that the engineers at the carriers are constantly tweaking the radio code to find a sweet spot between signal quality and battery life. Different carriers may tweak the radio for the same phone with a different priority. Sprint may prioritize signal, while verizon prioritizes battery. So each carrier may have a different radio file for phone that is in the same phone family. And then each carrier may have multiple radios. On the thunderbolt there were about 6 or 7 I think, but it is generally believed that newer radios work better than older ones.
Some people on xda will often experiment to see which radio file works best for them, depending on where they live and work.
I always try to be careful to only flash redid that others have reported to work with my device, rather than experimenting personally. I would think that you can brick your phone flashing the wrong radio file.
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Is that ROM deodexed? Or would I be better off using this one? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2080200
Spaded21 said:
About to start, few more questions. The stock ROM I linked to (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2149095) says it doesn't have the new firmware, is that different from kernel or anything else? Do I need to flash that as well?
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Firmware is the Android system. The Droid DNA is on on 4.1.1 (Jelly Bean). That version has not changed in the new OTA update so I don't know why that ROM even mentioned it.
The Kernal is the interface that alows the software to access the hardware. A more detailed explanation can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=ROM-VS-Kernel
HBOOT is 'kinda' like your BIOS in windows. It is the bootloader. It is the first thing that is loaded on your phone. This too I believe has not changed with the latest OTA update.
This is the change log for the 2.04.605.2 710RD update
Bluetooth connectivity and volume level for specific models have been improved
Enhanced reliability and stability of the Contacts List have been made
Enhanced Recent Apps functionality has been improved
Incoming messages display with the correct timestamp
Improvements to Hotspot connectivity have been made
Improvements to Audio Quality for wired headsets and earpieces have been made
Improvements to default browser for zooming capability have been made
User can load videos on HuluPlus
Wi-Fi Connectivity has been improved
As you can see it is mostly stuff related to your radio so the radio is the main part you would want. I personally just updated my radio and din't worry about anything else.
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Is that ROM deodexed? Or would I be better off using this one? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2080200
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I don't think it is deodexed otherwise it would tell you. I think deodexed is good if you want to theme.
I'm using the first one, which isn't deodexed. But I'm keeping my rom close to stock this week
Next week, when the Viper rom has been updated to 2.04, I'll be flashing that, and probably a theme.
You indicated that you aren't currently running any mods or themes. Unless you are looking to change, I would suggest you flash the first rom you linked, which is stock, except for the root capability being added to it.
The de-odexed rom you asked about will have been modified, deleting the .odex files so that the rom can further be customized by themes etc. When a phone boots a rom that is missing the .odex files, it will take longer to boot because it will essentially create the missing .odex files on the fly while booting. But when you are modding your rom, adding themes etc., existing .odex files get in the way, so that is why developers remove the .odex files, even though the rom will take longer to boot. Once the phone is booted, whether the rom was odexed or not becomes irrelevant.
For now, if you are looking to be on the latest radio and HTC rom, I suggest you get s-off, then flash the basic 2.04 rom (the one you linked to first), and the updated radios. Hopefully HTC will soon release the updated source files for the 2.04 kernel, and then we will have more customization.
If you are looking to customize now, I would get s-off, then flash the updated radios, but stay with a rom based on the original released rom and source (like Viper). The latest Viper rom (with updates to 1.1.3) has modifications so that you won't have to worry about getting bugged to update your ROM for 2.04. If you decided to go with Viper, it is a little confusing when viper is updating from 1.1 to 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 to 1.1.3, because it uses an over-the-air (OTA) update process similar to the stock OTA update. So you may see notices for updates - but the updates would be for Viper. Once you have gotten your phone s-off, you don't need to worry about updates causing problems.
Spaded21 said:
Is that ROM deodexed? Or would I be better off using this one? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2080200
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Ok so I have done everything, S-off, deodexed stock ROM, 3.4.10 kernel (it flashed with the ROM), and updated radio. I'm able to boot up but I don't have wifi.
Edit: Flashed the boot.img from the zip and it's working now.
Spaded21 said:
Ok so I have done everything, S-off, deodexed stock ROM, 3.4.10 kernel (it flashed with the ROM), and updated radio. I'm able to boot up but I don't have wifi.
Edit: Flashed the boot.img from the zip and it's working now.
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Congrats!
I think that rom you used wasn't set up properly to flash the boot.img from recovery, so that is why you had to do it manually. As time goes on (and there are more users with s-off), I think most new roms will be set up properly, so you shouldn't run into that again.
The whole process wasn't that hard, and using TiB made it really easy to get everything back.
So how do I go about removing bloatware now that I have S-Off and I am deodexed?
Although there are several ways to start removing bloatware, one of the easiest ways is to go into TiBu, and freeze apps. Make a nandroid backup first, and start slow.
Some apps have dependencies, you freeze one, and another might not work, like contacts and dialer.
After you have frozen an app, and are confident that it isn't necessary, you can delete it if you want.
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Let me start off by saying I have been reading these forums for a couple days and I am just getting more confused.
Currently I have root, S-On, and no other mods or ROMs. I am getting the popup notification to update literally every time I turn on the screen. I can select defer and set a date about a week in the future from whatever day it is, but the popup comes back within the hour. A few times it even began downloading on its own (while on 4G as well, ~100 mb of data used up every time).
All I would like to do is somehow get my phone to be as if I were complete stock and accepted the OTA, keep root, and not have to wipe any data (or be able to restore a full nandroid). I am getting very frustrated with everything and once I think I understand it, someone throws out something new to me.
If anyone is willing to take some time to help me with this I would gladly make a donation, either to them or another party of their choosing
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I would highly recommend using the OTA blocking zip to kill the update messages. I'm not very handy with posting zips yet but search the threads for the disable OTA. I am on the Viper DNA rom also but I put the OTA blocking on just in case. If I were on my PC instead of my phone I could have posted the zip file for you. I'm sure with each rom the developer has added a file to make sure the OTA is killed but you can never be too sure.
Easiest way to get 2.04 OTA for rooted DNA phones
Hat-tip .Torrented from our discussion here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2152993&page=12
Get Facepalm S-Off: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155069
Download stock recovery from: http://goo.im/devs/Flyhalf205/DNA/dlx_recovery_signed.img
Flash the stock recovery using:
fastboot flash recovery dlx_recovery_signed.img
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Once you are on stock recovery, and assuming you're on stock kernel, it allows you to take the OTA update!
After you take the ota just flash the custom recovery of your choice again. CWM Touch is a good option: http://www.clockworkmod.com/rommanager
Flash the superuser-busybox.zip to root.
This gives you a completely clean "factory" upgrade to 2.04, without losing any of your data (YMMV - so pls always take a backup before you do this).
It worked for me - yippee!!!
Software number: 2.04.605.2 710RD
Kernel version: 3.4.10-ga02d2c6
Baseband version: 1.01.01.0110
Whole procedure took less than 15 minutes
zanyguy said:
Hat-tip .Torrented from our discussion here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2152993&page=12
Get Facepalm S-Off: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155069
Download stock recovery from: http://goo.im/devs/Flyhalf205/DNA/dlx_recovery_signed.img
Flash the stock recovery using:
Once you are on stock recovery, and assuming you're on stock kernel, it allows you to take the OTA update!
After you take the ota just flash the custom recovery of your choice again. CWM Touch is a good option: http://www.clockworkmod.com/rommanager
Flash the superuser-busybox.zip to root.
This gives you a completely clean "factory" up to 2.04, without losing any of your data (YMMV - so pls always take a backup before you do this).
It worked for me - yippee!!!
Software number: 2.04.605.2 710RD
Kernel version: 3.4.10-ga02d2c6
Baseband version: 1.01.01.0110
Whole procedure took less than 15 minutes
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Thanks zanyguy for the procedure and process outline. I have a question regarding my current format and was wondering if going to a stock rooted version would work for me. Since every end user is different then there are different things they want of course. For me the process is very simple. I like a very lean system. I also like to try and achieve many things to look as close to AOSP as I can get and keep functionality. My current setup has the phone unlocked, rooted, s-off and running Viper 1.1.3. My radio is the OTA update radio of 1.01.01.0110 and my kernel is the same 3.4.10-ga02d2c6. What I wonder is this. Should I even bother trying to flash the stock Rom? Is there any benefits to doing so? And if I do give it a spin should I just restore the Viper DNA rom or re flash anew?
Thanks
My phone recently lapsed from service with Virgin Mobile, and in order for them to reconnect my phone to their service they had to give me a new phone number. Predictably, we ran into some trouble when they tried to find my rooted phoned using their cell towers. They couldn't do it. They asked me to run the factory reset, but obviously that wouldn't work.
I need to be stock long enough for their towers to interface with my phone for a little while. What would you guys say is the easiest way to do this? I don't have to go whole hog and lock s-on this sucker, do I?
I assume that a stock based rom will work which would be the simplest.
-Nandroid backup
-Flash stock based rom
-Activate or whatever
-Nandroid restore
If that fails run ruu.
Activate
Flash recovery
Restore nandroid
There is no reason to s-on
Problems have arisen because it was necessary to get a new phone number to reactivate my account.
When installing any rom at all, my phone keeps identifying itself as having the old phone number. All the reset avenues, including a full wipe, haven't resolved this. Any clues on how to empty out the phone's registry so it can have a new number put in?
You could always just run the ruu pg86img.
That will leave you s off, but "factory reset" your phone.
If you want to root again, all you need to do is reflash your recovery and flash or restore
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Well, being the newb that I am, I updated the VM firmware to 2.95 before I'd done enough reading to know that that was a bad thing to do. Then I struggled for an hour or two to get the HTCDev unlock to work (eventually had to use an older version from the QADERSO download).
I'm now at s-off, and unlocked, but I am still unable to install superuser or recovery. I am unable to run any RUUs.
I would use the all-in-one-unbrick tool, but I am not on Linux.
Any advise, anywhere?
Feels like this stuff never ends. I now understand why this is a real business, such that someone should be paid hourly to work on this stuff.
If your phone is s-off now, you should Be able to run the ruu.
Why can't you install recovery or super user? What is happening when you try?