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This is just ridiculous - HTC Droid DNA

Check out Apple's new patent.
Doesn't every phone have lockscreen shortcuts?
I mean I love how they say it's "new technology"

Apple created Adam and Eve and therefore has a patent on anything they create.

It says a new patent that allows access to apps from the iPhone lock screen specifically.

So my question is why hasn't the other manufactures already patented it? If they would have this crap wouldn't happen. Guess thats the problem with open source. Google and the patent office need to fix this. I don't care that Apple wants that for their phones but to patent something already being used is just BS.

Ndaoud360 said:
Check out Apple's new patent.
Doesn't every phone have lockscreen shortcuts?
I mean I love how they say it's "new technology"
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Apple sues everyone for copying them, but as soon as they copy something that has been in android forever it's ok right... Honestly apple is just ridiculous in general. The interface is just easier for people and thats why the iphone is so popular, most people who own the iphone think its the best when the specs are lacking so far behind android. Thats why I have convinced two of my friends to get android phones after they both had iphones. They both like android better and said that the potential and things you can do on android is so much better. All those apple fan boys think their stuff is the best Maybe someone will sue them and give them a taste of their own medicine

Them filing a patent doesn't mean it will be approved. They attempt to patent just about everything they do, on the off chance it gets approved.
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Bigandrewgold said:
Them filing a patent doesn't mean it will be approved. They attempt to patent just about everything they do, on the off chance it gets approved.
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Well it said it was published. Doesn't that mean approved or am I mistaken?

Jaggar345 said:
Apple sues everyone for copying them, but as soon as they copy something that has been in android forever it's ok right... Honestly apple is just ridiculous in general. The interface is just easier for people and thats why the iphone is so popular, most people who own the iphone think its the best when the specs are lacking so far behind android. Thats why I have convinced two of my friends to get android phones after they both had iphones. They both like android better and said that the potential and things you can do on android is so much better. All those apple fan boys think their stuff is the best Maybe someone will sue them and give them a taste of their own medicine
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Most likely the best response I've read in a long time. I, for one, absolutely DESPISE Apple Mobility Department with a serious passion. All my friends who have the icrap come to me saying how they have Siri & other bs. Well, they don't have a full HD screen:good:, nor a quad core processor:highfive:, or the awesomeness of the XDA Developers & everyone in the XDA forums.

Ndaoud360 said:
Check out Apple's new patent.
Doesn't every phone have lockscreen shortcuts?
I mean I love how they say it's "new technology"
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Apple is on the way out. Why do you think Apple stock has fallen 40 percent in the last 6 months? People like preference and android is mature. Apple is far behind the competition.
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As much as I love to bash Apple until they're a nice warm cider I don't think I can agree that Apple is "on the way out". I think what we're seeing instead is the market shifting.
Apple for the past decade has targeted Innovators and Early Adopters offering Luxury goods. As the smart phone industry (specifically the always connected mini-computer touch screen phones we're used to now) matures margins fall and competition increases. iPhones used to be status symbols, and they still can be, however they've become so common place that they've lost a lot of their marginal utility.
Google, Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, even Sony have all stepped up their game on a united Android front. The brilliance of Android for Google that I suspect, is that the competition between Android devices (Samsung GS4 v. HTC One for example) improves the Android offering with tons of new features and brand visibility. I know for a fact that Android is regularly sipping away the iPhone's market share.
Returning to my point, Android has always operated with a model adopted from classic handset sales. Margins are fairly low, but, due largely in part by the free cost of Android to the developers, they're able to offer phones at affordable prices that match or exceed Apple's iPhone. Apple always tries to maintain that their products are different and superior to the competition. In fact, they rarely even acknowledge that there is competition and I do believe that this (over)confident stance has helped them maintain their market share and unique identity.
iPhones arguably lag behind Android's top offerings these days. No NFC, No Wireless charging, no HD screen, etc. I don't believe iPhones really hold the public perception of being superior to the competition anymore. Apple is struggling to keep it's market share and I think it's operating on a model that is unsustainable. Think of it this way.
When it comes time to replace a Macbook Pro, most users will grab the latest MBP without even thinking about it. When it comes time to replace their iPhone though, more and more people are considering, and switching to Android.

patents simply limit innovation. They limit what manufacturers can do with their devices.

booked said:
patents simply limit innovation. They limit what manufacturers can do with their devices.
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I suspect you've never invented anything.

What the OP fails to disclose (and I don't know if any one of you bothered to do the research).. was that this patent was filed way back in 2011 by Apple. Also, the functionality in question is a little bit more involved than just merely accessing apps from lockscreen.
Apple is the most valuable company in the world.. if you want to believe into the 24x7 anti-apple propaganda.. by all means do so. But that is not gonna deter apple or tech enthusiasts who value what apple has to offer.

Apple and the whole iphone phenomenon annoy the sh**t out of me... I don't know why, it's only a phone. Such a stupid thing to get so annoyed about. But it's true. Every time they add a new feature to the iphone, everyone acts as if it's groundbreaking and it's a huge f***ing deal. And then you have those iPhone owners that are still convinced that owning an iPhone makes them "unique" as if they haven't noticed that everyone else has the same exact phone as them. Android as an os is better in every way and so is the hardware current phones use. And yet I use their products because I have to. I use osx and have an ipad strictly because I require the software. Were it not for that, I would probably be sticking Linux and Android.
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jamiethemorris said:
Apple and the whole iphone phenomenon annoy the sh**t out of me... I don't know why, it's only a phone. Such a stupid thing to get so annoyed about. But it's true. Every time they add a new feature to the iphone, everyone acts as if it's groundbreaking and it's a huge f***ing deal. And then you have those iPhone owners that are still convinced that owning an iPhone makes them "unique" as if they haven't noticed that everyone else has the same exact phone as them. Android as an os is better in every way and so is the hardware current phones use. And yet I use their products because I have to. I use osx and have an ipad strictly because I require the software. Were it not for that, I would probably be sticking Linux and Android.
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All I can say is that I give Apple credit where it's deserved, otherwise I completely dislike any product they produce. Plus, iPhone's and iPads do have there place in the world..... like for my Mother to use.

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All I can say is that I give Apple credit where it's deserved, otherwise I completely dislike any product they produce. Plus, iPhone's and iPads do have there place in the world..... like for my Mother to use.
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Exactly. I have 0 issue with Apple other than their legal dept. They create a smooth, easy to use product. Polished, refined, it works. The retina display is truely remarkable.
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kaliblazin707 said:
Exactly. I have 0 issue with Apple other than their legal dept. They create a smooth, easy to use product. Polished, refined, it works. The retina display is truely remarkable.
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Actually their retina displays are made by samsung. So you can't really give apple credit there. They just buy them from samsung. According to what I heard.

MsEvyLynch said:
Actually their retina displays are made by samsung. So you can't really give apple credit there. They just buy them from samsung. According to what I heard.
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Under a no distribution clause Samsung solely sells the "retina" display to apple..
Apple just outsourced to save $ on a specialty product

Zarboz said:
Under a no distribution clause Samsung solely sells the "retina" display to apple..
Apple just outsourced to save $ on a specialty product
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Wait I Googled and Ipads display is made by samsung and iphone/ipod/macbook display made by LG

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Actually their retina displays are made by samsung. So you can't really give apple credit there. They just buy them from samsung. According to what I heard.
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Actually Samsung n LG just manufacture these products. 'Retina' display is just a marketing term used by apple to discribe pixle density+viewing distance needed to make individual pixles impossible to discern with the human eye or retina. Its core tech is no different than a standard LCD..http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/44728/what-exactly-is-a-retina-display
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Never have liked Gizmodo- now they are nuts!

They gave he galaxy note a 2/5 stars slamming it for its size then complaining that the s-pen is too small. Seems if the device was too big, the s-pen should have been perfect. This is the best phone I've owned and I've owned a BUNCH. 2/5? Hell no.
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People stopped reading Gizmodo years ago. That site went downhill.
The Verge / Engadget / Techno Buffalo for me

The sales of the device will speak for itself. Phones have been getting larger and will probably level off at 4.6 to 5.3 in my opinion.
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All I can say is WOW...
If people were reading it before, I now know they should stop now!

Gawker sites have been dead to me for awhile.

That's absolutely ridiculous. That's one person giving a heavily opinionated rating. They fail to realize the usefulness for a lot of people. For a Guy like me that has huge hands and large pockets, a phone this size is a no-brainer. Also, for women with purses, this phone is completely great when used with two hands. Also, even with my huge hands, I had no problem using the S pen. Did they also forget about the S pen holder if you think it's too small?
Lately I'm really disappointed with the lack of unbiased reviews on phones. Reviewers should take an unbiased viewpoint and point out basic facts about a phone, then suggest their own opinions. Not stating their opinions as fact and downrating a great device.
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welchertc said:
That's absolutely ridiculous. That's one person giving a heavily opinionated rating. They fail to realize the usefulness for a lot of people. For a Guy like me that has huge hands and large pockets, a phone this size is a no-brainer. Also, for women with purses, this phone is completely great when used with two hands. Also, even with my huge hands, I had no problem using the S pen. Did they also forget about the S pen holder if you think it's too small?
Lately I'm really disappointed with the lack of unbiased reviews on phones. Reviewers should take an unbiased viewpoint and point out basic facts about a phone, then suggest their own opinions. Not stating their opinions as fact and downrating a great device.
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Well said.
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The Gawker sites are all terrible.

DarthHobo said:
The Gawker sites are all terrible.
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Lifehacker is kinda bearable
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Lifehacker is kinda bearable
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I like Slashgear as well.

Lifehacker and io9.
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Haha, what an ass. I guarantee if it was the Apple Galaxy Note, it would be extraordinary! Revolutionary! The pen has been reinvented and modernized! 5.3 inches is the perfect size! Apple does it again!!!!!!

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Haha, what an ass. I guarantee if it was the Apple Galaxy Note, it would be extraordinary! Revolutionary! The pen has been reinvented and modernized! 5.3 inches is the perfect size! Apple does it again!!!!!!
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So true, so true, so unbelievably true. I love how anything apple releases is magically reinvented. Touchscreen phone? Revolutionary! Apps? Unbelievable! Rectangle form factor? We'll sue you for it! Graphical user interface with grid of apps? Your life will never be the same!
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So true, so true, so unbelievably true. I love how anything apple releases is magically reinvented. Touchscreen phone? Revolutionary! Apps? Unbelievable! Rectangle form factor? We'll sue you for it! Graphical user interface with grid of apps? Your life will never be the same!
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I still can't believe they actually had the balls to sue Samsung because they made a tablet that was rectangular in shape with rounded corners. Stuff like that is the reason I hate Apple. I'm not really an Android fanboy, I just hate Apple's heavy handed we invented the universe innovation through litigation.

macked said:
I still can't believe they actually had the balls to sue Samsung because they made a tablet that was rectangular in shape with rounded corners. Stuff like that is the reason I hate Apple. I'm not really an Android fanboy, I just hate Apple's heavy handed we invented the universe innovation through litigation.
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I dunno if I really blame Apple for that, more so I hate the idiotic patent office that actually approves of these really basic patents that should be universal to begin with.
With Apple I just see them as a symptom of the disease, the disease being a greedy capitalistic society and rulemakers that don't know wtf they are doing

ap3604 said:
I dunno if I really blame Apple for that, more so I hate the idiotic patent office that actually approves of these really basic patents that should be universal to begin with.
With Apple I just see them as a symptom of the disease, the disease being a greedy capitalistic society and rulemakers that don't know wtf they are doing
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I definitely hate apple for that reason. They were definitely not the first ones to make a rectangular phone, and they definitely weren't the first ones to make a rectangular tablet. You can't patent a rectangle. And apple knew that. They were just trying to create a monopoly or at least drown out as much competition as possible. The galaxy tab was the first real challenger to the ipad, and they tried to eliminate it. Same thing goes for their proposed injunction against the galaxy s...it was the first series of phones to directly compete with the iphone. Yes, the legal system is incredibly screwed up to even allow it, but I hate apple for even trying in the first place. Also, trying to sue for the use of a gridded system of apps. Ios devices clearly weren't the first ones with that, but when the first truly competitive device has an app drawer that looks like their whole os, out come the lawyers. Legitimately every picture I saw of those court cases only showed the app drawer on the galaxy tab. Ridiculous! There is so much more than the app drawer to android. Also, I think it's ridiculous that they photoshopped the galaxy tab in their presentation to match the aspect ratio of the ipad. And the judges that couldn't tell the difference from 20 feet away between the two are some luddites that seriously need to check out this technology called eyeglasses. Maybe apple can patent those too and supply them free of charge to bribe them a bit. Wouldn't put it past them.
Don't get me wrong, I loved my iPhone 3g while I had it, and I can't argue with the fact that apple devices are very visually appealing. However, android phones and windows computers suit my needs more. Though I don't imagine any of you defending apple and calling me a troll, haha, I am not trolling; anybody who knows anything should be upset with the way apple has done business as of late.
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These days I find myself giving less and less of a **** about these asinine bloggers opinions.
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I think this phone is near perfect. It fills a void where people don't have a phone that is to small or a tablet that is too big. The Note is in the middle. I love it!
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That's absolutely ridiculous. That's one person giving a heavily opinionated rating. They fail to realize the usefulness for a lot of people. For a Guy like me that has huge hands and large pockets, a phone this size is a no-brainer. Also, for women with purses, this phone is completely great when used with two hands. Also, even with my huge hands, I had no problem using the S pen. Did they also forget about the S pen holder if you think it's too small?
Lately I'm really disappointed with the lack of unbiased reviews on phones. Reviewers should take an unbiased viewpoint and point out basic facts about a phone, then suggest their own opinions. Not stating their opinions as fact and downrating a great device.
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I believe Engadget had a good review, thats why I got mine.
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What I like about the Note is that it fills the void that jb0nd was talking about -- between a smartphone and a tablet. When Apple released the iPad, which was supposed to be the middle ground between computer and smartphone, these biased bloggers refused to complain that it was just an oversized iPod, and that it would be a failure. No, they supported the idea full-on, gave it a 10/10, and convinced the public that it was the product to buy.

I guess all android users are poor now.

I saw this on pulse in an android section. I thought it was ridiculous. shows how ignorant isheep are. I guess $500 for a tablet plus 150 for a dock is cheap. Also there are android phones that cost way more than the iphone.
http://www.cultofmac.com/158610/che...elitists-making-fun-of-android-instagrammers/

Does this surprise you?
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I saw those articles. lmfao just goes to show how childish alot of IOS users are. they are hating the fact that Android has Instagram now. Android flood of instagram users will overtake apple users in a short period of time. Android has way larger user base. I got it on my Atrix. haven't really tried it out yet. seems like a bunch of b.s. really. so i want to see what the hype is over. I hope its not just some dumb filters as I've had those and more alot longer on android in general. seems like some kind of picture sharing thing mostly between users. overrated IMO.
also funny is how the most popular iPhone model is the free 3gs iPhone offered by at&t. lol. how can we be poor if they using a free phone..lol

monkey10120 said:
I saw this on pulse in an android section. I thought it was ridiculous. shows how ignorant isheep are. I guess $500 for a tablet plus 150 for a dock is cheap. Also there are android phones that cost way more than the iphone.
http://www.cultofmac.com/158610/che...elitists-making-fun-of-android-instagrammers/
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lol...what a fun read. Thanks for the link.

I'll not get too worried due to this. Only hipsters use Instagram and think they are "real" photographers. Yeah right.
In fact, no self respecting Android user will and should use Instagram. Camera360 beats it any day, anyway. Instagram is for spoiled brats and hipsters who think android owners live in a ghetto and live on food stamps.
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litetaker said:
I'll not get too worried due to this. Only hipsters use Instagram and think they are "real" photographers. Yeah right.
In fact, no self respecting Android user will and should use Instagram. Camera360 beats it any day, anyway. Instagram is for spoiled brats and hipsters who think android owners live in a ghetto and live on food stamps.
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never knew "real photographers" use iphones insead on full DLSR cameras. going to have to get rid on my sony a55 now. And maybe with that money i will be able to buy diner tonight because i am out a food stamps. lol

This is horrible. What pisses me off the most about Apple is that they outsource their manufacturing and claim that it is to keep the cost of their product down, yet I believe they have the highest priced devices. Secondly they create a standard for the outrageously priced devices when they could EASILY shave 30 to 40 percent of the price on ALL of their mobile products if not ALL of them products. And, what's the worst part of all is that the mobile market is exponentially growing, meaning the two grand you dropped on your current phone/tablet setup will be obsolete in 3 to 6 months. Rather than really fine tune a product, they continually shell out new devices with "better" specs. Kinda ridiculous the way they produce products, even Android is guilty of this. It's bad for the consumer, but great for the companies. I mean why create a solid product that stays current for at least a year when you can make devices obsolete after three months which in turn will guarantee that at least a greater percentage of consumers will repurchase the newest devices at a quicker pace. Whatever happened to companies providing what is best for the consumer and not what makes the most amount of money in the shorted amount of time!
Oh well, it is what it is. Before you know it there will be an entirely new type of gadget out that replaces the smart phone/tablet all together and then the cycle repeats but with higher prices and shorter device life spans. Actually, to be honest, I am suprised that we aren't forced into purchasing firmware upgrades... Hmm, maybe I shouldn't of said that, I could totally see a CEO reading this post and going ZOMG GREAT IDEA $50 to update your device!

In any event, kudos to Cult of Mac for reporting on this, given that they're describing a large part of their own audience.

Ever jealous of being behind I see.

even if the iPad3 would cost half of the prime i wouldnt buy it.
man i hate the apple ecosystem and its hipster fanboys!
and whats up with the 'professional' photo-editing lol..
buy a real cam for that !

We didn't get Instagram, we got an emulator for the magical phone. Now we can carry all that smug self-importance in our pocket whenever we want to feel rich. 2 stars though because the voice recognition sucked and the photo filters made me feel ironic.
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I am not going to read that article...
But I do have to say that when people buy an iPhone, they don't just buy a phone. They buy into a highly proprietary culture that promotes thoughtless spending.
Android? Well just comparing how easy it is to get refunds for purchases on Play vs App Store should give us all a good idea.

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We didn't get Instagram, we got an emulator for the magical phone. Now we can carry all that smug self-importance in our pocket whenever we want to feel rich. 2 stars though because the voice recognition sucked and the photo filters made me feel ironic.
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LOL! That is funny!

Social media really brings out the stupid in people. We used to think about something before sharing it with the world but now people share it with the world before thinking about it. It is because there always seems to be an audience (the internet) available. This is not the only case. (Incoming Hunger Games Spoiler) A while ago when the Grammys were on there was the whole "I would let Chris Brown beat me any day" tweets. Then when the Hunger Games movie came out there was the whole "I don't feel so bad about Rue anymore after finding out she was black".

Tempie007 said:
even if the iPad3 would cost half of the prime i wouldnt buy it.
man i hate the apple ecosystem and its hipster fanboys!
and whats up with the 'professional' photo-editing lol..
buy a real cam for that !
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Same here couldn't have said it better!
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Who cares what a bunch of iDiots think?

I'm sure you'll all enjoy my comment on the article.
Master race transformer prime/htc one x owner reporting in. What's it like still using a dual core device guys? I mean I have pictures from 2006 but I'm sure you all could refresh my memory with your pictures from your lower resolution cameras on your redundant 'retina' displays?
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lol all their rage right now.

What I get from this is Apple users blindly buy apps and hope they work for what they want it to do (As there is no refund). With Android I'm going to look for the free app if i'm looking for a specific function. If it does it well, then It might entice me to look into the paid version to see what extras you get if you pay for it. There are a lot of crap apps, and you kinda have to test them all to find the best one that works for you. It's annoying when there are no free apps on Apple to test what you want to do, and if the app you bought isn't what you thought it was or has problems, you can't refund. Sucks!

I really hate waking up, reading a thread and finding out Im poor.
I really need to talk to the IRS and get my 30 sum thousand dollars I sent them last year back.. do they not know Im poor?!?
What else can the Apple gods tell me??
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This is horrible. What pisses me off the most about Apple is that they outsource their manufacturing and claim that it is to keep the cost of their product down, yet I believe they have the highest priced devices. Secondly they create a standard for the outrageously priced devices when they could EASILY shave 30 to 40 percent of the price on ALL of their mobile products if not ALL of them products. And, what's the worst part of all is that the mobile market is exponentially growing, meaning the two grand you dropped on your current phone/tablet setup will be obsolete in 3 to 6 months. Rather than really fine tune a product, they continually shell out new devices with "better" specs. Kinda ridiculous the way they produce products, even Android is guilty of this. It's bad for the consumer, but great for the companies. I mean why create a solid product that stays current for at least a year when you can make devices obsolete after three months which in turn will guarantee that at least a greater percentage of consumers will repurchase the newest devices at a quicker pace. Whatever happened to companies providing what is best for the consumer and not what makes the most amount of money in the shorted amount of time!
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Apple has kept a pretty consistent 1 year release schedule. Also why would you expect a company to lower their prices when they are selling their products as fast as they can? They arn't charities.

Why so much iPhone hate?

I know I don't have a lot of posts and you guys don't see me around a lot, but I'm on this forum for a couple hours each day and I just see a TON of Apple and iPhone hate. What I don't understand is why you hate them so much. A lot of you categorize ANY iPhone user as a sheep who doesn't know that there's any other phone out there.
I have an iPhone and I can guarantee you that I'm not a sheep. I chose my 4S because the specs are great and I love iOS. I also bought an Evo 3D on ebay because I like Sense also. I use my iPhone as my main phone because it fits me best, I love the apps, and I get updates the day that they are released (ICS was released back in October, thats 7 months ago and we still don't have it on our phones!!!!). Just because I prefer a different phone than you doesn't mean that I follow everyone else. It just means I have a different preference than you.
It annoys me that the majority of users on this forum think that Apple is evil and anyone who owns an iPhone is evil as well. Why can't you accept that people have different preferences on phones and that doesn't make them sheep or stupid fanboys?
I'll probably receive a lot of trolling because of this thread, but I just wanted to get this off my chest.

It really goes both ways; just as you have rabid Apple fans, you have crazy Android fans. There are a lot of really immature people here who don't seem to think before they post. Many of them seem to believe that just because they decided to be different that they are better than people who purchased Apple devices.
I don't really understand why people are so insecure with their choice that they feel the need to belittle others, but they do it. Even mentioning something that iOS has over Android will provoke twenty people saying that once they overclock their phone, tweak everything, and so on, they are able to get the same performance as iOS and that Apple users are homosexuals and etc.
It's like a group of people sitting at their computers waiting for someone to say "Apple" so that they can go on about their petty little vendettas against Apple. It's like a group of children who only want to pick on each other. It's disgusting. They're just hypocrites, and not worth anyone's time.

i completely understand you and i also dont understand why so much hate, but i think it is more between samsung and apple users XD i also like iphone, ios and sense but i dont like small screens, so thats reason why i never even thought about buying and iphone xD but if there will be iphone with bigger screen, ill consider about buying it, but ill keep my evo

I Personally don't like Apple or any of their products. Never owned one and never will, I'm proud to say so.
I will say they are very good at what they do. When the IPhone first came out, it was very impressive.
You are right, it is just a matter of preference. Most people on here like HTC phones. I'm sure if go on IPhone forums and start talking about HTC phones, they will hang you out to dry.

The name calling specifically sheep, has mostly been in jest
The recent hate is justified though. These lawsuits apple has been filing are for the most part frivolous because the wacked patent system in the US. The EVO 4G LTE was delayed because apple claimed it infringed on one of its patents. HTC found a workaround to avoid using the patent but even so one unit per shipment of phones has to be examined by US Customs thus delaying the phone some more.
Important to note that iPhone 5 is being held up or delayed to workaround 5 patents HTC owns.
Both companies have been suing each other. However one has been a royal douche. One of the companies says the other blatantly copied the former while in fact the former ripped off features from the latter in its last major OS update. If you haven't noticed, the former is Apple and the latter is HTC. It's appalling because Apple is making more money than ever and can't be happy with that.
For me, I say screw the patent system and let all the companies out innovate each other, that way the consumer wins.
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i refer to the sheep as those who buy it for posing around with....then when they see another phone they start moaning that the iphone can't do this and that and the other. And the fact that people complain about the monthly prices after buying them and signing the extortionate contract.
Also i don't like the fact that how some iphone users seem to belittle others by very slyly implying their phone's better by doing this that and what have you, and if you argue...it doesn't go down well with them.
Again this is only for the minority who own idevices but the minority is making their voices heard and the majority who buy and iphone and get on with their life suffer.
THAT WAS THE USERS.....NOW THE ACTUAL PHONE
I like what they've done, its pretty much bought that section of the market along with the rest of the competition to the mainstream. the phone specs right now are good...the original bunch of iphones not having 3g and multi-tasking? wtf to that decision....but anyways they learnt. I myself am thinking about getting an ipad 2 soon (depends on a few things....not $) because it is way ahead of anything for now.
the lawsuits don't help, i dont care whether its for stopping products or the conspiracy of giving them publicity. they need to stop because its a bad PR for anyone, including the consumer.

I own an iPhone and iPod. Daily devices have always been Android phones though. It's all preference. I need the Open Source nature of Android.
Some people are better suited for an ios device.
Being called a sheep isn't technically inaccurate as a majority of ios users don't believe in much else besides the device they have.
I don't agree with fanboyism though, It's annoying and immature, but it'll always continue.
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Welcome to XDA, can't even refer people here because it's a bunch of 2 year old out trolling the other.
On a OP note. Apple has to be doing something right. They customer service rates are so much higher. I loved my iPhone. Yes we don't have ics yet but who cares. The ONLY beef I have with my current setup is sprint. I know not HTC's fault. I can not stand having to download a video to watch it because it's faster to do that then stream one. All in all HTC ftw on AT&T network? Lolz
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Apple are marketing geniuses. I don't get into the fanboy wars between either OS, but my problem with Apple is the way they lock down their OS & the choice of apps, or rather I say users have no free choice of apps cuz they only get what Apple feels is good for them. Now they have amazing hardware, but the cost for it isn't worth it IMO since they're paying way less for the parts & production of their products.
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SoraX64 said:
It really goes both ways; just as you have rabid Apple fans, you have crazy Android fans. There are a lot of really immature people here who don't seem to think before they post. Many of them seem to believe that just because they decided to be different that they are better than people who purchased Apple devices.
I don't really understand why people are so insecure with their choice that they feel the need to belittle others, but they do it. Even mentioning something that iOS has over Android will provoke twenty people saying that once they overclock their phone, tweak everything, and so on, they are able to get the same performance as iOS and that Apple users are homosexuals and etc.
It's like a group of people sitting at their computers waiting for someone to say "Apple" so that they can go on about their petty little vendettas against Apple. It's like a group of children who only want to pick on each other. It's disgusting. They're just hypocrites, and not worth anyone's time.
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I completely agree, unfortunately the stuck up people from either side are the ones who let themselves be heard. I see Apple fans also hate on Android a lot and I really don't see why everyone can't accept that other phones and OS's are really cool.
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i completely understand you and i also dont understand why so much hate, but i think it is more between samsung and apple users XD i also like iphone, ios and sense but i dont like small screens, so thats reason why i never even thought about buying and iphone xD but if there will be iphone with bigger screen, ill consider about buying it, but ill keep my evo
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It's definitely worse between Apple and Samsung, but I still see stuff between HTC guys and Apple guys. I can kinda see the Samsung thing because they have actually taken ideas from Apple, but HTC? I think Apple and HTC are the best two phone companies out there. The screen doesn't really bother me, but I would like a bigger one.
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i refer to the sheep as those who buy it for posing around with....then when they see another phone they start moaning that the iphone can't do this and that and the other. And the fact that people complain about the monthly prices after buying them and signing the extortionate contract.
Also i don't like the fact that how some iphone users seem to belittle others by very slyly implying their phone's better by doing this that and what have you, and if you argue...it doesn't go down well with them.
Again this is only for the minority who own idevices but the minority is making their voices heard and the majority who buy and iphone and get on with their life suffer.
THAT WAS THE USERS.....NOW THE ACTUAL PHONE
I like what they've done, its pretty much bought that section of the market along with the rest of the competition to the mainstream. the phone specs right now are good...the original bunch of iphones not having 3g and multi-tasking? wtf to that decision....but anyways they learnt. I myself am thinking about getting an ipad 2 soon (depends on a few things....not $) because it is way ahead of anything for now.
the lawsuits don't help, i dont care whether its for stopping products or the conspiracy of giving them publicity. they need to stop because its a bad PR for anyone, including the consumer.
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I hear you, and its nice to see that there are a lot of people here who have common sense! Lawsuits are annoying, I hope the patent system changes

http://www.impactlab.net/2010/07/03/iphone-vs-htc-evo-cartoon-video-may-get-best-buy-employee-fired/
This video pretty much sums up the attitude of a lot (not ALL) of Apple users. This is why I will never buy an Apple product. At first, yeah, the iPhone was cool. Now there are much better devices (technically speaking) that do much more, yet "Oh my God look mommy it's an iPhone!" is still heard everywhere as if it's some sort of magical device. I suppose my hatred for Apple products stems from irritation from ignorant consumers who simply get on my nerves.

The reason why there are people who have issues with Apple is simple: Apple has become an icon of Corporate World. Yes, corporations are evil and after Steve Jobs has resigned from Apple even more people have turned against Apple. By buying an iPhone you support the wealth-culture that thrives on social inequalities created and sustained by global corporations. There is nothing wrong about hate towards corporations and those who support them. It is only natural.
In fact Android (while being not so different from Apple in its core) still represents all those have-nots who deserve just as much as their wealthy counterparts.
As for homosexuals and iPhones, well...this is obvious: they have become the driving force of the trend-over-intelligence kind of tendency that have only added more crap to already TV-brainwashed minds of the general North American population. Another thing homosexuals should have never done was occupying the entire artistic and design-related industries and forcing all the talented straight folks out of the market to completely eradicate even the possibility of having a healthy competition that can damage their reputation as the only worthy artists on the planet.
Now the iPhone owners are called sheep because of that very trend-over-intelligence choice the majority of them have made when they chose to buy iPhone. Did you notice that all these crappy musicians and graphic artists turn to Apple computers not because of the fact that those are the most optimized for the industry tools, but simply because they are the most expensive ones? Just like the worst musicians always own the most expensive instruments that money can buy.
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http://www.impactlab.net/2010/07/03/iphone-vs-htc-evo-cartoon-video-may-get-best-buy-employee-fired/
This video pretty much sums up the attitude of a lot (not ALL) of Apple users. This is why I will never buy an Apple product. At first, yeah, the iPhone was cool. Now there are much better devices (technically speaking) that do much more, yet "Oh my God look mommy it's an iPhone!" is still heard everywhere as if it's some sort of magical device. I suppose my hatred for Apple products stems from irritation from ignorant consumers who simply get on my nerves.
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Apple theirselves are some cocky & egotistical assholes, just look at how they handled antenna-gate from the iPhone 4
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Strange, I am not noticing much hate for iPhone here.. Perhaps I am visiting non-haters forums ))) In my opinion people who like OS that is pretty easy to use prefer iPhone, people who like tweaking go for Android And I think that lot of (not all though) iPhone users are just posers
Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead...

ubcwigwam said:
http://www.impactlab.net/2010/07/03/iphone-vs-htc-evo-cartoon-video-may-get-best-buy-employee-fired/
This video pretty much sums up the attitude of a lot (not ALL) of Apple users. This is why I will never buy an Apple product. At first, yeah, the iPhone was cool. Now there are much better devices (technically speaking) that do much more, yet "Oh my God look mommy it's an iPhone!" is still heard everywhere as if it's some sort of magical device. I suppose my hatred for Apple products stems from irritation from ignorant consumers who simply get on my nerves.
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Haha that video was good. Made me laugh.

crolikman said:
The reason why there are people who have issues with Apple is simple: Apple has become an icon of Corporate World. Yes, corporations are evil and after Steve Jobs has resigned from Apple even more people have turned against Apple. By buying an iPhone you support the wealth-culture that thrives on social inequalities created and sustained by global corporations. There is nothing wrong about hate towards corporations and those who support them. It is only natural.
In fact Android (while being not so different from Apple in its core) still represents all those have-nots who deserve just as much as their wealthy counterparts.
As for homosexuals and iPhones, well...this is obvious: they have become the driving force of the trend-over-intelligence kind of tendency that have only added more crap to already TV-brainwashed minds of the general North American population. Another thing homosexuals should have never done was occupying the entire artistic and design-related industries and forcing all the talented straight folks out of the market to completely eradicate even the possibility of having a healthy competition that can damage their reputation as the only worthy artists on the planet.
Now the iPhone owners are called sheep because of that very trend-over-intelligence choice the majority of them have made when they chose to buy iPhone. Did you notice that all these crappy musicians and graphic artists turn to Apple computers not because of the fact that those are the most optimized for the industry tools, but simply because they are the most expensive ones? Just like the worst musicians always own the most expensive instruments that money can buy.
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That's why I will NEVER buy a mac, & why? What can it do that Windows can't do? They're just paying an extra 5-700 more bucks for a pretty GUI.
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I personally don't like the iphone because 1. The screen is tiny 2. They want to charge you for every and anything (including help)smh 3. It's very easy to break and 4. All roads lead to apples wallet, they limit you to only the apps and music they want you to have! I do believe apple is evil and don't care about there consumers at all. Yeah ics isn't here yet but android phones still have better costumer assistance. I bought a g5 apple for thousands of dollars just to find out its incompatible with lots of things including websites like netflix for example and can't even be updated therefor I have to spend a few more thousand for a new one... **** apple!
*Bang Bang Big Bad Galaxy Note Gang*

I love when iOS haters say that flash is old and they don't need it.
When nearly every damn website has flash content!!!"
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Personally I like the iPhone only when it's jailbroken because I need the freedom. Other than that to me the iPhone is complete garbage. But hey that's just me xD
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I have both Android and IPS devicrs(phone, iPod & ipad). Both have pluses and minuses. The frivalous lawsuits by all companies is getting annoying.
Pluses to Android is the openness. I use my phone for work and personal. I want to be able to have the option to block calls with a white list and also block calls permanently. I jailbroke my iPhone but it had several app issues. Once I returned to stack all issues went away.
Minuses for Android is background bugs that lead to severe battery drains. Some of the apps on Android are not as nice as iOS.
Pluses for iPhones are accessory like extended life batteries as a case and battery as one
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So they released the iZombie 5 and

8 hours battery life hahahahahahaha
I mean the other specs are a bunch of crap honestly...
People are already saying they aren't impressed which I assume everybody here would not be either...
My curiousity is honest thoughts...Besides the fact that we all hate apple I get that...
But what do you guys think?
It can download up to 100 megabits per second. Single chip, single radio, dynamic antenna, a slide shows. It can switch antenna connections beetween different networks when needed.
This display has 44 percent more color saturation than the iPhone 4S display. “This is the most acfurate display in the industry,” Schiller says. It has integrated touch in the display, which makes it 30 percent thinner. Now, it has ultrafast wireless technology too. “We’ve built in GPRS, Edge, EV-DO, HSPA, HSPA+, DC-HSDPA, and yes LTE,” Schiller says
10:17
All of Apple’s software is being updated to take advantage of this display: Keynote, Pages, Numbers. iLife software too like GarageBand and iMovie and iPhoto.Apps run at the same size as on previous iPhones, with black borders above and below if necessary, if they aren’t optimized for this larger display yet.
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“This display is simply amazing,” says Schiller. They’ve added a fifth row of icons to the home screen — the better for those hundreds of apps you’ve downloaded. The calendar shows more events, email shows more emails, Schiller demonstrates all this with a few slides.
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The iPhone 5 is the thinnest and lightest phone Apple has ever made: 7.6 mm thin, 18 percent thinner than the iPhone 4S and the world’s thinnest smartphone. Its 112 grams, 20 percent lighter than the iPhone 4S. It has a 326 PPI Retina display. The new screen on iPhone 5 is 4 inches, 1136 by 640 pixels with a 16 x 9 aspect ratio. “A phone should feel great in your hand,” Schiller says.

Just so you know I copied them from a website those are NOT my opinions
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I'm loving the thread title haha...sneaky sneaky
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I don't get why people hate. I didn't understand it when I was an iPhone guy.
The iPhone has it's place in society. They're incredibly simple and reliable for people with little knowledge of techy stuff.
That said, they're too simple for me.

Whos hating? They dropped a new phone with old features and an old look...thats facts...!
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LOL, you said "we all hate apple".
Anyway, I agree with you that this update is very poor...

If the screen was 5 inches I'd switch back.
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Interesting why?
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And okay I mean ya as a company yea I do...
They rape their customers as far as releasing phones then adding better features and making them pay $200 again six months later...
Also the fact that they dont allow carriers to fix their phones is dumb because then you have to find an apple store, which sucks...
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Kflan22 said:
And okay I mean ya as a company yea I do...
They rape their customers as far as releasing phones then adding better features and making them pay $200 again six months later...
Also the fact that they dont allow carriers to fix their phones is dumb because then you have to find an apple store, which sucks...
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First, Apple has been releasing new phones every year, not 6 months.
And every single industry does it. Not just cell phones. Computers, tablets, cameras, cars... Everything. It is consumer's choice to decide when to spend.
Carriers carry a multitude of phones. They can't train their employees to fix everything.
At least iPhones have Apple stores to fix them. If my Note broke, I have to find a service center which is alot more inconvenient. If anything, Apple has this the easiest for their users.

ddochi11 said:
First, Apple has been releasing new phones every year, not 6 months.
And every single industry does it. Not just cell phones. Computers, tablets, cameras, cars... Everything. It is consumer's choice to decide when to spend.
Carriers carry a multitude of phones. They can't train their employees to fix everything.
At least iPhones have Apple stores to fix them. If my Note broke, I have to find a service center which is alot more inconvenient. If anything, Apple has this the easiest for their users.
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you cant argue these facts...I would MUCH rather take my phone back to a manufactures "store", than the 3rd party service centers or send back to the factory option that we are saddled with as Android users..For this, I give Apple kudos for..
And, I agree with an earlier poster, about IBones having their "place" in society for the non techie hordes...You dont sell all those phones that Apple does, unless there is a really strong demand from SOMEONE for them..

Apple ....uh....(sorry, I threw up in my mouth there for a second )...
I guess what gets my goat ...is the level of high mindedness that apple users often have toward the android community in general.
Several people I work with are absolute azzhats about it.
They presume that they hold the greatest level of technology ever created in the palm of their hand, and scoff at any android device.
When in truth, the device is a few years behind the latest device in terms of software advances, and hardware as well.
I guess it might be the denial factor, or maybe the lack of freedom to do anything with the device other than turn it on or off and put a case on it.
Regardless...the latest device is still the same as it always was.
An iPhone, joined at the hip to it's Creator, and ever so badly needing it's users to understand that truth.
Folks can buy and use what they like, but I would "Never " buy a device that had to answer to anyone but me ....g

gregsarg said:
Apple ....uh....(sorry, I threw up in my mouth there for a second )...
I guess what gets my goat ...is the level of high mindedness that apple users often have toward the android community in general.
Several people I work with are absolute azzhats about it.
They presume that they hold the greatest level of technology ever created in the palm of their hand, and scoff at any android device.
When in truth, the device is a few years behind the latest device in terms of software advances, and hardware as well.
I guess it might be the denial factor, or maybe the lack of freedom to do anything with the device other than turn it on or off and put a case on it.
Regardless...the latest device is still the same as it always was.
An iPhone, joined at the hip to it's Creator, and ever so badly needing it's users to understand that truth.
Folks can buy and use what they like, but I would "Never " buy a device that had to answer to anyone but me ....g
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there's no shortage of azzhats in the world, is there?
love the barf comment in your first sentence!

Sony Mobile president: "...not afraid of lawsuits..."

'No (need for) Windows 8 because....'
"We are not afraid of lawsuits, because we have an extensive portfolio of intellectual property rights”
Sony Mobile’s President and CEO Kunimasa Suzuki
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/09/12/sony-mobiles-new-ceo-says-no-to-windows-phone-8/
This is exactly what I expected of Sony. You may have noticed when Sony bought out Ericsson's share, part of the deal which was commonly overlooked, was that Sony gets unrestricted license to Ericsson's patent portfolio. Combine Ericsson's founding foot in the origins of telephony combined with Sony's extensive catelogue, and you have a patent portfolio that would make even Apple pee themselves. If only Sony could share them (though it would be extremely disproportionately unfavourable to them).
I read that in some industries, something called 'patent pooling' can be agreed. So companies as you might expect, share specific patents and prohibit lawsuits related to those patents. I read though that in the mobile industry, it's very unlikely though.
Any thoughts?

Oh.

I was actually wondering what are the major patents that Sony (Ericsson) holds?

You would have to think that along with Motorola for example, Ericsson probably own many of the parents that mobile telecommunications are founded on. These are companies that have been in telecoms a neck of a lot longer than apple and build much of the infrastructure.
I doubt apple can hold claim to any of the core technology (though correct me if I am wrong), I would imagine much of their "innovative" tech is based around user experience. However how much did they patent during the newton project I wonder. Sony however have a very long history in portable gadgets and particularly audio so it could get interesting if there were to be a suit I guess.
Personally I believe Samsung did copy apple but only because much of that 'copied' was obvious and the patents shouldn't have been granted in the first place (how can you patent a rectangle with rounded corners when potable gadgets have been that shape from forever). Strange how other countries are throwing apple's allegations out of court yet in the us they are upheld - I'm not implying bias btw, just that the patents system is badly broken. The funny thing is that many of the key components in apple devices are made by Samsung in the first place, I know what would be thinking if iwas was Samsung.
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I was actually wondering what are the major patents that Sony (Ericsson) holds?
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A quick google found this
http://www.ericsson.com/thecompany/company_facts/patents
The problem Is how many are standards essential or legitimately licensed. Wouldn't fancy the job of going through them to find out!
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tarbyonline said:
You would have to think that along with Motorola for example, Ericsson probably own many of the parents that mobile telecommunications are founded on. These are companies that have been in telecoms a neck of a lot longer than apple and build much of the infrastructure.
I doubt apple can hold claim to any of the core technology (though correct me if I am wrong), I would imagine much of their "innovative" tech is based around user experience. However how much did they patent during the newton project I wonder. Sony however have a very long history in portable gadgets and particularly audio so it could get interesting if there were to be a suit I guess.
Personally I believe Samsung did copy apple but only because much of that 'copied' was obvious and the patents shouldn't have been granted in the first place (how can you patent a rectangle with rounded corners when potable gadgets have been that shape from forever). Strange how other countries are throwing apple's allegations out of court yet in the us they are upheld - I'm not implying bias btw, just that the patents system is badly broken. The funny thing is that many of the key components in apple devices are made by Samsung in the first place, I know what would be thinking if iwas was Samsung.
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A quick google found this
http://www.ericsson.com/thecompany/company_facts/patents
The problem Is how many are standards essential or legitimately licensed. Wouldn't fancy the job of going through them to find out!
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Thanks! You got your first thanks from me! :good:

Wohoo!
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Sony will never ever ever be sued for the same reasons Apple sued Samsung, neither will HTC, Motorola, and even LG. Their hardware is distinctive from the iPhone and they follow Google's hardware design guideline, unlike Samsung, who tries so hard to imitate the iPhone. First with the big fat giant home button, then S-this S-that. And they wonder why Apple goes after them.

apple cant even dare touch sony...

I doubt they've ever even considered it.

He also acknowledged in his statement that the company has consistently lost market share over the years. That's their greatest challenge....competing with the likes of Apple and Samsung. Forget Apple because Samsung is who they''ll really be up against. They need to first of all improve significantly on software and end this releasing phones with dated software business. It cripples the phones. Secondly they need to respect the idea of the flagship device and never again repeat the crap of a new flagship every three months or so. A joke!
Repeating any of these mistakes will just ensure that this market share that's already in decline, will see its devaluation accelerate. They are already too close for comfort to the point of no return.
Put all talk about patents to one side.
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lokenok said:
apple cant even dare touch sony...
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Of course they can.
This is not how the patent litigation game is played.
It is a gamble. An attempt to cripple the oponent (just for now or permanently) and to cause as much bleeding and pain as possible. Means to kill outright (if they are lucky) or in worst case to get a better position in later negotiations.
For example, they are not afraid of Motorola which has tons and tons of various patents. They were not afraid of Nokia. They lost, but the gamble was worth trying.
Sony is safe for now only because they have such a tiny market share.
There are other reasons why Sony is currently not interested in WP platform. It would drain their resources, so Android phones would get even bigger delays. And currently there are no money in WP world, as there is a dying and desperate elephant ready for literally anything.

draugaz said:
Of course they can.
This is not how the patent litigation game is played.
It is a gamble. An attempt to cripple the oponent (just for now or permanently) and to cause as much bleeding and pain as possible. Means to kill outright (if they are lucky) or in worst case to get a better position in later negotiations.
For example, they are not afraid of Motorola which has tons and tons of various patents. They were not afraid of Nokia. They lost, but the gamble was worth trying.
Sony is safe for now only because they have such a tiny market share.
There are other reasons why Sony is currently not interested in WP platform. It would drain their resources, so Android phones would get even bigger delays. And currently there are no money in WP world, as there is a dying and desperate elephant ready for literally anything.
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Considering Apple has released documents showing how they copied Sony, hell the phone even has Sony printed on it, they dont have a leg to stand on. Sure they could sue but they don't have much of a case vs Sony.

lokenok said:
apple cant even dare touch sony...
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They dont need to. They can just sit and wait for Sony to collapse. After all they have so many times more money than Sony can ever have.

draugaz said:
Of course they can.
This is not how the patent litigation game is played.
It is a gamble. An attempt to cripple the oponent (just for now or permanently) and to cause as much bleeding and pain as possible. Means to kill outright (if they are lucky) or in worst case to get a better position in later negotiations.
For example, they are not afraid of Motorola which has tons and tons of various patents. They were not afraid of Nokia. They lost, but the gamble was worth trying.
Sony is safe for now only because they have such a tiny market share.
There are other reasons why Sony is currently not interested in WP platform. It would drain their resources, so Android phones would get even bigger delays. And currently there are no money in WP world, as there is a dying and desperate elephant ready for literally anything.
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Ok mister know all.
Sony would bangbus Apple.
Its not like what you see on media. Everything runs in the background. Even Samsung and Apple ****.
Drain resources?
Wp just sucks and has no customers thats the point. = No money.
I say it again, Sony would bangbuss Apple.
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mrsatan said:
Considering Apple has released documents showing how they copied Sony, hell the phone even has Sony printed on it, they dont have a leg to stand on. Sure they could sue but they don't have much of a case vs Sony.
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It is not like that matters much, there are 3242345 different ways to spin it in their favour. In that particular case Apple was just so incredibly lucky to get such a *censored* jury. Or maybe it is a home turf advantage, I don't know, but they equally did not had a leg to stand on against Samsung.
Such design or feature "inspiration" games are perfectly normal industry practice. Before "copying" Sony they did copy Braun: http://cheezburger.com/6563205376. And the new iPod nano is a "stolen" Samsung P2 from 2007: http://www.randomprocess.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/p2.jpg
In a sane world it is not a problem at all, everyone does it, it is called "getting inspired and improving on" or simply "following the industry trends". Unless you get a chance to persuade a bunch of laypeople that this is something wrong.
For example, look at the car or fashion industry. All cars follow certain fashion trends and get similar design elements. It is perfectly normal and nobody sues mercedes just because they adopted edged design pioneered by bmw. Or flat door panels without moldings with sharp bend going through door handles. Or LED DRL eyebrows from Audi which possibly in turn copied it from someone else.
Anyway, they don't necessary need to even touch the design patents, they have a ton of insanely broad technical patents.

louis.b said:
They dont need to. They can just sit and wait for Sony to collapse. After all they have so many times more money than Sony can ever have.
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They're not that dim witted to simply watch Sony die. Their revenue each year, with the net profit alongside well surpasses what they need to purchase Sony. And still be left with plenty of finances. They would most likely just purchase Sony.
Compare revenues this year, there's an $8 Billion deficit in favour of Apple. That's not including the Iphone 5 sales which will more than likely send said revenue soaring this year. Sony have released many new products this year, doesn't bode well right?

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Secondly they need to respect the idea of the flagship device and never again repeat the crap of a new flagship every three months or so. A joke!
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Which is pretty much what Nokia seemed to do (a long with putting all their eggs in the Symbian basket) and look what happened to them.
At the end of the day it all comes down to marketing. Like the new iPhone. Is not the moist technologically advanced handset out there but you can bet apple will shout about its merits louder than Sony will about their range. At the end of the day, prior to the iPod how many non-IT people had even heard of apple -the iPod itself is an example of clever marketing. As an MP3 player the original iPod wasn't fantastic -the sound quality was patchy, you had no custom equaliser, etc, etc. But people avoided more established audio brands including Sony in favor of the iPod as apple got the timing right and built a product many people found desirable. Its like jeans. What's the difference at the end of the day between 2 pairs of denim jeans made in the same factory. Probably not a lot. But put a brand name on one pair and you can bet it will sell a lot quicker due to the marketing undertaken by that brand.
If Sony want to make a major impact on the phone market then IMHO they need to do 3 things
1. Design desirable handsets with features people want and can't get from competitors such as apple like SD expansion, and equal or better everyone Elses build quality. Aluminium will always feel better quality than thin plastic yet apple make huge margins even though their production is outsourced.
2. Invest in marketing with a view to the payback coming in the long term (IMHO they missed a trick with the Xperia 2012 devices by not marketing the sound quality -many people use the MP3 function on their phones whilst commuting for example so why not trade on the Walkman brand more for example). Create a strategy and allow the mobile division to innovate without interference from other parts of the company - strong leadership is needed for this
3. Create a level of exclusivity by releasing a limited number of handsets a year, say an entry level, mid-range, and a flagship device with each having its own best in class feature and the higher models incorporating at least as good features as the models below in addition to their headline feature which appeals to their particular target market. If apple released as many phones as Sony have since the split from Ericsson there's no way they could create the hype and buzz around each new release. Samsung are a special case as their strategy seems more focused on flooding the market with devices but even so their build quality isn't the best which could haunt them.
RE the patents issue it seems to come down to who has the most luck on the day. It seems to me that apples big fear is someone else coming up with the next big thing as once apple are no longer seem by the general public as leading edge they have nothing to fall back on as essentially their only asset is the apple brand. Is not like they can supply components to other companies like Samsung, Motorola, and Sony can and regroup.
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I agree with a lot of what others think here too.
Another thing is, look at how many partners Apple has in making the iPhone including:
CPU: Samsung, though rumoured Apple is trying to develop it's own chip
Screens: Samsung, Sharp
Camera: Sony
Can Apple really afford to fight with everyone? (I mean more than just money terms).
p.s. I have no doubt that Apple would be intimidated by the Sony+Ericsson patent portfolio. If having a huge patent portoflio wasn't useful, then why would all these tech. companies be spending billions on buying patents? I finished my thesis on the patent wars in college a few months ago, I wish I could have gotten more of this in! :victory:
I just found this, one of Steve Jobs' best friends thinks the Apple vs. Samsung verdict will be overturned and he says he doesn't agree with Apple recent behaviour anyway:
http://www.talkandroid.com/131823-a...idForums+(Android+News,+Rumours,+and+Updates)
Steve Wozniak

It's not about Sony itself.
The big boy here is Ericsson,wich have almost the entire range of intellectual patents for essential GSM communication and data. (2g,3g,4g...)
And Sony acquired it
Apple is not so dumb to do this.
They know the smell of "danger".

@draugaz
Mister, Sony is among the top 5 patent holders GLOBALLY. There is no way Apple can even dream of suing Sony.

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