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Anyone use tethering to download too much data and had repercussions from T-Mobile? I'm just wondering if/how much I should limit my bandwidth use. Use tethering frequently on the train and such.
After 5gb of data you will likely get throttled to EDGE-only speed. You will receive a message from TMO if this happens. If you are just checking email, chat, facebook, etc it is highly unlikely you will kill your 5gb.
I just recieved the text message yesterday and I have to say the speed that they throttle you down to renederd my laptop practically useless. Even just trying to log into Yahoo my browser timed out. Just FYI.
How much bandwidth did you use? I was up to 2.3 gigabyte last month.
KerryG said:
After 5gb of data you will likely get throttled to EDGE-only speed. You will receive a message from TMO if this happens. If you are just checking email, chat, facebook, etc it is highly unlikely you will kill your 5gb.
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its not even EDGE speeds. more like a little bit better than GPRS speeds around 50-59kbps. my edge speeds is almost triple this and my 3g speeds peak at 5.3mbps at night and 3-4mbps during day
to OP- Tmobile used to allows 10GB of bandwidth but now its cut to half to 5GB which can be easily used up by tethering,but then again tethering using USB in settings, MobileAP, or an app like EasyTether and PDAnet is not covered in the contract and actually goes against the terms of use
Of course, most probably already know tethering is expressly forbidden by the terms and conditions for most (if not all) contracts with TMO. While they've cast a blind eye to in the past, this is changing.
Beginning Nov 3, TMO will offer a $15 Tethering option which is less expensive than other carriers. Each activated IMEI (phone serial) will get no more than one IP address. All tethered data will count toward your 5GB monthly limit. Like other carriers, your monthly data cap doesn't increase just because you pay more. Unlike other carriers though, you will NOT be charged overage fees unless perhaps you somehow manage to tether without a proper plan in place.
The DHCP pool which currently assigns / allows acquiring of the additional addresses for any tethered devices that you may be using will be limited to just "one" address. In order to tether after this change, you'll require a minimum of 2 IP addresses. This limitation will only be officially lifted upon adding a monthly paid tethering plan to your account. Being rooted or on an unoffical rom likely won't change this as it'll all be controlled by the TMO's network hardware which is out of our reach.
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That assumes that TMO won't modify the normal operation it's APN gateway to prevent Private DHCP then tethering as we know it might not be possible. Then, you'd be forced to get your addresses from their DHCP server alone.
Yeap . this is a sad sad day for tmob...
I am going to look for a better carrier ./ option
I can get Virgin mobile wifi unlimited , and someone else cheaper for the phone
You think they will send a notice to all users with a 'Change of Terms' letter enclosed???
Also, does anyone know how to monitor my usage?? How do I know how much data I've transfered thus far in my billing cycle??
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You think they will send a notice to all users with a 'Change of Terms' letter enclosed???
Also, does anyone know how to monitor my usage?? How do I know how much data I've transfered thus far in my billing cycle??
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You can monitor usage with netcounter in market. Free and I have been using it since g1.
epakrat75 said:
Of course, most probably already know tethering is expressly forbidden by the terms and conditions for most (if not all) contracts with TMO. While they've cast a blind eye to in the past, this is changing.
Beginning Nov 3, TMO will offer a $15 Tethering option which is less expensive than other carriers. Each activated IMEI (phone serial) will get no more than one IP address. All tethered data will count toward your 5GB monthly limit. Like other carriers, your monthly data cap doesn't increase just because you pay more. Unlike other carriers though, you will NOT be charged overage fees unless perhaps you somehow manage to tether without a proper plan in place.
The DHCP pool which currently assigns / allows acquiring of the additional addresses for any tethered devices that you may be using will be limited to just "one" address. In order to tether after this change, you'll require a minimum of 2 IP addresses. This limitation will only be officially lifted upon adding a monthly paid tethering plan to your account. Being rooted or on an unoffical rom likely won't change this as it'll all be controlled by the TMO's network hardware which is out of our reach.
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As long as tethering still works like it did with usb tethering on cyanogen roms we do not get 2 ips from the carrier. Your phone gets 1 ip address from carrier and then acts as a router giving you private ip addresses that your carrier does not see. Same as you home ISP does not give out multiple ip addresses if you have multiple PCs at home conneted to a router.
Conclusion: Pay tmo $15/mo extra or root and do it for free (at your own risk). I have done it since the g1 days but very rarely, never had a prob.
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2000nits said:
As long as tethering still works like it did with usb tethering on cyanogen roms we do not get 2 ips from the carrier. Your phone gets 1 ip address from carrier and then acts as a router giving you private ip addresses that your carrier does not see. Same as you home ISP does not give out multiple ip addresses if you have multiple PCs at home conneted to a router.
Conclusion: Pay tmo $15/mo extra or root and do it for free (at your own risk). I have done it since the g1 days but very rarely, never had a prob.
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^ This. I don't see how t mobile could track that you are tethering. Your phone requests the data, than transfers the data to the device you are tethering just like a router. The "outside world" only ever sees your router, or phone in this case. Unless I am misunderstanding the way tethering works.
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AFAIK, an APN is required for tethering to work. The carrier controls this. Without APN access and one that plays nice with tethering apps, tethering may become impossible with existing tethering / wifi router apps?
Tethering Via Kies or Tethering Via Dial-Up Connection
Currently you can easily tether via Samsung Kies or by creating a dial-up connection. How will these two options change?
How would T-Mo know you are tethering via keys or dial-up connection?
I do have Kies and I've set up dial-up tethering, it works, however I have internet everywhere I go, so I never have really tethered other than just testing to see if it works. I think it is a shame though, people who abused tethering kinda ruined it for everyone. Now if you need to tether in an emergency, which in my case would be maybe like once a year or something, now the option is closed to everyone? Maybe they can create an emergency tethering plan. You pay for the 1 time you need to tether. I dunno.
*dial-up isn't really dial-up in the sense you may be thinking like in the old modem dial up days.
My Thunderbolt is rooted and LTE is live throughout campus down the road from me at Notre Dame. I get 4G speeds on my Thunderbolt just fine, all the way up to 40mbps down and 15mbps up.....But when I tether to my laptop, I get 2-3mbps down and 1mbps up AT BEST!
I have tried every free tethering app out there, both wireless and wired.
What am I doing wrong? Is there some sort of trick to doing it?
Thanks!
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My Thunderbolt is rooted and LTE is live throughout campus down the road from me at Notre Dame. I get 4G speeds on my Thunderbolt just fine, all the way up to 40mbps down and 15mbps up.....But when I tether to my laptop, I get 2-3mbps down and 1mbps up AT BEST!
I have tried every free tethering app out there, both wireless and wired.
What am I doing wrong? Is there some sort of trick to doing it?
Thanks!
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you must be in an area where they haven't throttled your normal phone data usage yet. i've tried out 4G in a few places and seem to get around 3 - 5Mbps max (1 - 3Mbps average) with my phone as is. when i tether it's slower.
and yes, i've tried different rom/kernal/radio combinations
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you must be in an area where they haven't throttled your normal phone data usage yet. i've tried out 4G in a few places and seem to get around 3 - 5Mbps max (1 - 3Mbps average) with my phone as is. when i tether it's slower.
and yes, i've tried different rom/kernal/radio combinations
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They have not "throttled " my data either because I'm getting great data speeds.
As for tethering. When I was doing that I was getting a little less than what my smartphone got. But my tablet was still getting 12-15Mbps download speeds.
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flooritnfly said:
My Thunderbolt is rooted and LTE is live throughout campus down the road from me at Notre Dame. I get 4G speeds on my Thunderbolt just fine, all the way up to 40mbps down and 15mbps up.....But when I tether to my laptop, I get 2-3mbps down and 1mbps up AT BEST!
I have tried every free tethering app out there, both wireless and wired.
What am I doing wrong? Is there some sort of trick to doing it?
Thanks!
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You know a why? Because 14 megabits per second is about 2.5 megabytes per second
give or take a little
Now the speedtest app measures using megabits, your computer uses megabytes. See the confusion?
It's a clever sales 'trick' to say 20 megabits per second instead of about 3.5 to 4 megabytes. And I think it's a dirty little trick that they shouldn't use
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You know a why? Because 14 megabits per second is about 2.5 megabytes per second
give or take a little
Now the speedtest app measures using megabits, your computer uses megabytes. See the confusion?
It's a clever sales 'trick' to say 20 megabits per second instead of about 3.5 to 4 megabytes. And I think it's a dirty little trick that they shouldn't use
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I think I'll buy that explanation. And I'll agree it's stupid as hell since NOBODY uses bytes to measure serial data transfer. It's ALWAYS measured in bits. And there's reasons for it, too. ...just further confirms my belief that bandwidth tests are total BS.
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I think I'll buy that explanation. And I'll agree it's stupid as hell since NOBODY uses bytes to measure serial data transfer. It's ALWAYS measured in bits. And there's reasons for it, too. ...just further confirms my belief that bandwidth tests are total BS.
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I never understood everyone wanting to post number in bits, since I'd say a good amount of the forum have no idea what megabits means in terms of their download speeds (other than more is better), but as you said, it's just a way for ISPs to make it look "super fast." It's about as relevant to most people as me telling the average American how fast I am driving in kilometers per hour or the current temperature in Celsius.
I suspect the reason no one posts their speed in bytes (despite most speedtests allowing you to change to that in the settings) is because of the same reasoning. When someone finds a user friendly app or browser that defaults to telling you your speed in kilobits per second, let me know, but until then showing everyone your bandwidth in Megabits per Second is silly. I mean even wget and curl on the command line use kilobytes by default, lol.
Not sure the megabit/megabyte explanation is completely accurate. It may be in this specific case but in general bits are always used for network traffic measurements (speedtests, nic speeds, etc) and bytes for storage measurements (hdd/sd space, etc). Unless the OP manually changed how it was being measured (or used a different site/tool than on the phone) which I suspect isn't the case since he would know he did it, it should still be in megabits.
Someone else noticed slower speeds when tethering to certain hardware but for some reason I can't remember the reasonable explanation for it at the time.
@OP: try tethering another device/phone and check through it.
I suppose this assumes the OP is using a similar tool/site (i.e. tried speakeasy on both).
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I never understood everyone wanting to post number in bits, since I'd say a good amount of the forum have no idea what megabits means in terms of their download speeds (other than more is better), but as you said, it's just a way for ISPs to make it look "super fast." It's about as relevant to most people as me telling the average American how fast I am driving in kilometers per hour or the current temperature in Celsius.
I suspect the reason no one posts their speed in bytes (despite most speedtests allowing you to change to that in the settings) is because of the same reasoning. When someone finds a user friendly app or browser that defaults to telling you your speed in kilobits per second, let me know . I mean even wget and curl on the command line use kilobytes by default, lol.
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The reason serial data transport is usually measured in bits and parallel data transport is measured in bytes is because serial transport must take into account transmission protocol and QoS overhead, whereas parallel data transport usually doesn't because much of those controls are handled via sideband. For instance parallel SCSI: SCSI3 (U2, U160, U320) specifies a 68 pin twisted pair, actively terminated data cable. Only 16 of those pairs are data channels though, the remaining 18 pairs are there for ID, QoS, and control protocol. In serial applications, such as SAS (Serial Attached SCSI), those features must be integrated, usually in a packet method, with the data stream, usually incurring a 20% tax on actual data throughput across the interconnect. Serial data ratings include that 20% as part of the data rate, whereas parallel data ratings usually do not. Therefore, a U320 implementation of SCSI can realistically achieve near the theoretical maximum of 320 megabytes per second (310 MB/s is pretty much bus saturation in practice) of real data transfer. However, a serial implementation of SAS rated for 6Gbit, transferring a theoretical 750MB/s, in practice will only transfer roughly 600MB/s assuming a mean protocol/QoS overhead of 20%. That's a significant loss of throughput, however, the loss isn't assumed. Some methods of serial transport take up more bandwidth with protocol, some less. It's not technically accurate to describe a physical interlink's transport capabilities in terms of what the applied protocol can provide since that can change. For instance, 1Gbit Ethernet can move 1Gbit, however, the protocol applied over that topology can vary yielding different actual data throughput results.
That's why serial is always measured in bits and parallel in bytes.
Anyone test their speeds using Internet Connection Sharing? I did a bandwidth test from the phone and got 8.9 Mbits download and 3.6 Mbits upload. Then I then did a test from my laptop and I got 3.5 Mbits upload but my download would not go above 0.6 Mbits. Anyone else noticed this problem?
This is not slow, hsdpa gives 7.2 Mbps speeds only so expected
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vikram.m.mohan said:
This is not slow, hsdpa gives 7.2 Mbps speeds only so expected
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This phone is capable of 14.4 Mbps, not just 7.2 Mbps. My Carrier is capable of 21 Mbps. This was not the issue. The issue was getting over 8 Mbit/s download speeds on the Titan, but when using Internet Connection Sharing the speed would not be greater them 0.6 Mbit/s. This was tested right after the initial test. The upload speed was very similar though.
As is my understanding, you will never achieve the same speeds when using ICS.
When your phone is communicating with the internet, it is dealing with one lot of data being sent and one lot of data being returned.
But when connecting your computer via your phone, your phone has to take that data from your computer, then pass it on. So it is dealing with one lot of data to/from your computer, and another lot of data (the same data!) to/from the internet - So you are doubling the amount of work the phone does. Your phone only has the one radio chip for this data, so it has to alternate between all the incoming and outgoing data.
You get the same slow-down on home wifi networks if you use a wifi repeater.
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As is my understanding, you will never achieve the same speeds when using ICS.
When your phone is communicating with the internet, it is dealing with one lot of data being sent and one lot of data being returned.
But when connecting your computer via your phone, your phone has to take that data from your computer, then pass it on. So it is dealing with one lot of data to/from your computer, and another lot of data (the same data!) to/from the internet - So you are doubling the amount of work the phone does. Your phone only has the one radio chip for this data, so it has to alternate between all the incoming and outgoing data.
You get the same slow-down on home wifi networks if you use a wifi repeater.
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I understand that it will be less, but to go from over 8 Mbits on the phone to 0.6 Mbits on my laptop is more then what one should expect as a penalty for connecting thru the phone.
Even with your example of using a wifi repeater the bandwidth is only halved, and that is because the link is using the same frequency band over both hops. In the case of the phone, Internet Connection Sharing is acting like a home router with the cell frequency side the equivalent of the wan port and the software is providing NAT to clients connected on the 2.4ghz wifi connection side so there is no penalty for using the same frequency band.
As I also stated the upload from the phone and the upload from my laptop are the same, around 3.5 Mbits. What I was asking is if other people have had this same discrepancy when using Internet Connection Sharing. Even if the results from just the phone were ignored, the fact that I only got 0.6 Mbits download vs 3.5 Mbits upload thru the phone tells me something is not working properly.
If anyone is seeing this discrepancy between upload and dowload speeds with Internet Connection Sharing let me know.
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I understand that it will be less, but to go from over 8 Mbits on the phone to 0.6 Mbits on my laptop is more then what one should expect as a penalty for connecting thru the phone.
Even with your example of using a wifi repeater the bandwidth is only halved, and that is because the link is using the same frequency band over both hops. In the case of the phone, Internet Connection Sharing is acting like a home router with the cell frequency side the equivalent of the wan port and the software is providing NAT to clients connected on the 2.4ghz wifi connection side so there is no penalty for using the same frequency band.
As I also stated the upload from the phone and the upload from my laptop are the same, around 3.5 Mbits. What I was asking is if other people have had this same discrepancy when using Internet Connection Sharing. Even if the results from just the phone were ignored, the fact that I only got 0.6 Mbits download vs 3.5 Mbits upload thru the phone tells me something is not working properly.
If anyone is seeing this discrepancy between upload and dowload speeds with Internet Connection Sharing let me know.
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Have tried same SIM different phone? Different SIM same phone?
It could well be your provider!
Seems to me that Splashtop might be a big drain on data plan. Our only high speed internet is a Verizon 4g Mifi. We had one with 10g data plan which we just got a few months ago. Last month we went through 90% of that in like10 days. We figured someone had hacked into our network, because our history on our old sprint air card only showed an average of like 8g/month. A few days ago we decided to make some other changes, dropped the hot spot on husbands Droid and bought a second Mifi with 10g/month plan. But we just went thought over 3g on that Mifi in just a few days. The only thing I can think of is that I was using Splashtop Remote to run my Mac from the couch... we were not streaming any video or downloading big system updates or anything along those lines that might account for the big drain....
What did you expect. Just about any remote desktop app is going to use up bandwidth.
To clarify what the guy above said.
Splashtop is streaming essentially a 720p video from your computer to your tablet (along with keyboard/mouse input and audio). If you are doing that over your 3g/4g thats a lot of data. Typical compressed 720p video is 300 to 500 mb per half hour. So for every hour you use splashtop you are going to use probably between .5gb and a 1gb depending on how well they compress it. At least in the HD versions. If you are using a standard edition splashtop at a low framerate (if you can even set that, i don't remember) then you could save a lot of data. Splashtop is really meant to be used on wifi networks rather than over the internet, but they give you the option to do internet because some people have great uncapped internet.
Hope this helps clear this up.
Thanks for the info jacobrv.. I might be missing something here. Sorry to be so clueless about this. But, I am doing this at home, connected to our router. The router gets the internet service from the Mifi...(ACtually, what I have is one router connected to the Mifi, and a second router downstairs connected to the Ethernet and setup as an access point.)_ In theory should Spashtop not be using any Bandwidth and basically just be using the LAN network...
Well, if both devices (computer and tablet) are on the local network then it "should" use that and not go out to the internet. One thing I would try is to remove your Google account from splashtop, if you put it in, and see if they still find each other. They use your Google account to match up your devices over the internet, so without it, it should only look at the local network. If that doesn't help, or if you never put in your Google info in the first place, then I don't know.
That's pretty much all I've got. I mean, another thing to try would be to turn off all internet devices (mifi's/modems/etc) and try then. If they can no longer see each other, then obviously they were using the internet. But then the question becomes, why can't they see each other on the local network?
Hi,
I'm hoping that someone can help me with this issue, as far as my wifi goes, I'm on at&t fiber 1000 connection speed. I would think that I should have enough bandwidth available to be able to listen to a online radio station without any buffering occurring. When I'm using my red pocket 4 G LTE mobile connection that connects to at&t there's not any buffering at all, I do have a private dns server setup to block ad's, the one that I use is this address (dns.adguard.com). It might be something rather small that I'm overlooking but so far I can't seem to determine what it might be. I only have a 8 gb data allowance per month, so that's why I can't use my mobile data connection all of the time. Of course my phone is a LG V30 phone that's running android version 9.0, any suggestions will be appreciated !
David
Davy49 said:
Hi,
I'm hoping that someone can help me with this issue, as far as my wifi goes, I'm on at&t fiber 1000 connection speed. I would think that I should have enough bandwidth available to be able to listen to a online radio station without any buffering occurring.
When I'm using my red pocket 4 G LTE mobile connection that connects to at&t there's not any buffering at all, I do have a private dns server setup to block ad's, the one that I use is this address (dns.adguard.com). It might be something rather small that I'm overlooking but so far I can't seem to determine what it might be. I only have a 8 gb data allowance per month, so that's why I can't use my mobile data connection all of the time.
Of course my phone is a LG V30 phone that's running android version 9.0, any suggestions will be appreciated !
David
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Even though your AT&T is 1 Gbps speed, that's your line in/ethernet cable speed. Have you run speed tests to see what your Wi-Fi speed is? It will vary, depending on distance from your Wi-Fi router.
Yes, it should probably be fast enough, but I'm still curious what your average Wi-Fi speed is, when testing from your phone.
Your DNS ad server blocking is a nice detail to help trouble shoot. But you're probably blocking the same ads on Red Pocket. Therefore it's something that's not playing nice with AT&T network. Just for experimentation, while on Wi-Fi TEMPORARILY turn off your AdGuard or whatever app you are using. You can temporarily disable it. See if the buffering still happens then?
Hi,
Thanks so much for your reply, I'll try that and see if it makes any difference. The reason I'm using the private dns address is so I don't have to use software for blocking ad's. Today I've been checking out unlimited data plans for my phone. I'm currently using red pocket and I pay for 8 gb of data per month. Happy Thanksgiving ! Stay Safe
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Hi,
Thanks so much for your reply, I'll try that and see if it makes any difference. The reason I'm using the private dns address is so I don't have to use software for blocking ad's. Today I've been checking out unlimited data plans for my phone. I'm currently using red pocket and I pay for 8 gb of data per month. Happy Thanksgiving ! Stay Safe
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Sure, I understand why you're using it. I use Ad Guard (paid, lifetime license) on two phones and Blokada (free) on 5 others, used by family/friends. Both allow choice of servers that will block ads.
We just need to see if something is conflicting on your home AT&T internet with Adguard servers. That may not be the case. But if so, there's workarounds we can try.
(For instance I know some websites have issues with Cloudflare DNS servers.)
Hi ChazzMatt,
Happy Thanksgiving, I hope you & yours have a wonderful day ! I've turned of the private adguard dns setting in my wifi settings on my phone, of course by doing so now I'm seeing more ad's once again. As I remember I did that a couple of day's ago, the first day when I was streaming some internet radio station's I didn't seem to have many buffering issues as I recall. Then yesterday while listening to some of the same stations with are provided by different sites I did have some buffering issues but not quite as bad as before. Also, I've went into the at&t gateway ( Pace 5268AC ) webpage & double checked the settings in there. Quite some time ago I did in fact change some of the settings that I was informed to do in another great forum where people who actually work for the companies can give users good advice ( http://www.dslreports.com ). For your reference, here are some of the settings I changed: (2.4 GHz Wifi Radio Confg. Heading), Channel Bandwidth from 20 MHz to 40 MHz, Transmit Power To Maximum 100, (5 GHz Wifi Radio Config. Heading), Current Wifi Channel To A Lower # Via Rescan 56, Transmit Power To Maximum 100. The main that I upgraded to the Fiber 1000 speed was to obtain additional bandwidth for the # of devices on the network. As I'm SURELY not an expert in broadband gateways, that's why I followed the suggestions that were provided to me. Also, where I stream the internet radio stations is located approx. 50 ft from the gateway. Maybe it has something to do with the wifi modem that's installed in my phone when it was manufactured. Thanks again for your help, Please Stay Safe !!
David
ChazzMatt said:
Sure, I understand why you're using it. I use Ad Guard (paid, lifetime license) on two phones and Blokada (free) on 5 others, used by family/friends. Both allow choice of servers that will block ads.
We just need to see if something is conflicting on your home AT&T internet with Adguard servers. That may not be the case. But if so, there's workarounds we can try.
(For instance I know some websites have issues with Cloudflare DNS servers.)
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