Does anyone still condition their batteries whenever flashing new ROMS and such? I remember back when I had the Vibrant when it first came out and I learned about custom ROMs and xda forums, you always had to condition your battery afterwards. This idea still relevant at all for keeping a healthy battery or extending its life cycle?
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It's helped me, so yes I still do it after flashing new roms..
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If you mean charging your phone to 100% and deleting batterystats.bin, that process is pretty useless. The battery stats file is automatically deleted when your phone reaches 100%, and unless you phone is almost dead, just use and charge it normally.
I usually calibrate the battery using battery calibration only after I have went from dead to 100% on the battery on a new ROM. If you have any issues with drainage like I have on Tweaked before, just do it.
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endo689 said:
Does anyone still condition their batteries whenever flashing new ROMS and such? I remember back when I had the Vibrant when it first came out and I learned about custom ROMs and xda forums, you always had to condition your battery afterwards. This idea still relevant at all for keeping a healthy battery or extending its life cycle?
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I've has GN2 since launch day. Never conditioned the battery once, never had a single battery problem on stock, Cleanrom or Tweaked. This is the first phone in a long time that the battery just works and lasts and lasts without micromanagement.
I've been wondering this since I got this phone. I always saw the battery threads in the charge forum and thought it was weird when I didn't see that here. I've dine it a few times on this phone but I guess now I know that I don't need too.
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I've been using my Note II for a couple of weeks now and I never had to do any conditioning when using anything TouchWiz based. I flashed an AOSP ROM for the first time today, so I'll be keeping an eye out to see the changes.
Also do you guys think its a bad idea to flash ROMs without a fully charged battery?
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I do battery conditioning...it's called letting the battery management system do it's job and not trying to interfere.
And, there is no particular advantage to flashing with a full charge. I actually can't remember the last time I did, and I'm thinking back across 3 phones over two years. The worst you might get is a messed up percentage until you fully charge, but even that is rare.
The only thing I would worry about if flashing while low on battery would be the device dying mid flash.
Other than that I can see no reason not to.
Right on, thanks for the responses guys. Yeah I just been curious about this because before I used to always see people talk about conditioning batteries and wiping battery stats etc.
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Also do you guys think its a bad idea to flash ROMs without a fully charged battery?
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Pretty sure the main reason you don't want to flash on a low battery is it could run out while it's still flashing. I've flashed at 30% and no ill affects.
People should go here and then make up their own minds rather then try to follow a bunch of mixed information.
Charging -
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
Calibration - http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/battery_calibration
Care & Feeding -
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Seriously these are worth the read
Note 2 - Nexus 7 - Charge - Player 5.0 - Fascinate
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I usually calibrate the battery using battery calibration only after I have went from dead to 100% on the battery on a new ROM. If you have any issues with drainage like I have on Tweaked before, just do it.
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i calibrated using the playstore app followed all directions and now my phone takes 17 to 18 hours to charger from 0% no less than 12 from any other percentage any ideas what i can do? this started happening the day after i calibrated any help would be much apreciated
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So I was one of those who was finding my battery life to not be sufficient on the Photon and bought the Seidio extended battery. First thought is that it does make the phone heavier, but I can deal with that. Not a deal breaker.
My issue is that the Photon doesn't recognize the fact that I now have the extended battery. I've spent the last two days using Battery calibration software (charging overnight to 100%) and then trying to discharge completely and recharge. The problem is that the phone continually is showing 1% for almost 3-4 hours if not longer. I can't get it to recognize that there is more juice in there.
While it's great that it seems to be working well (first real work day with it today), having the battery drain like mad (or seemingly) and then sitting at 1% for half or more of the day and not knowing when it will die is a problem.
I wonder if this is why the stock seemed to drain so quickly - maybe it's a programming bug? Firmware bug? I dunno. In any event, any suggestions on how to make the phone actually see that there's more juice would be great.
As an FYI I've used "Battery Calibrator" - both of them and Battery Drainer and Fast Discharge to get the phone down. I am rooted, but everything is stock other then the root itself.
I spoke with Sedio - they said I should unroot the phone and do a master reset. I can't believe that would make it work better - but I'd rather ask this community first.
Thanks!
Check in the accessory forum there is a couple things on the Seidio battery and some people there that have them may have run into the same issue and have a fix for it.
Can't seem to find a thread where people talk about aa problem with it. Can you point me in the right direction?
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I meant about the battery not that specific problem. If you post there they may have had a similar issue
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Ahh.. Ok - actually someone on AndroidCentral just responded indicating the same issue on a non-rooted phone.. I'm gonnna try doing a full restore to see if that helps..
Yeah. Give that a shout and let us a know if it helps.
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have this battery, after the initial eight cycles allow nearly complete discharge, allow to charge for at least two hours after phone indicates battery is fully charged..... my battery is working very well, just use a battery indicator from the market, I didnt piss around with any battery calibrators, think this might be your problem, have never used a calibrator on any of my phones with extended batteries. Android market probly has an app to wipe your ass.....do you really need it? Hope the analogy is clear to you.
LOL fair enough. I did do the full flash this morning - so I'm unrooted.. Hasn't seemed to help - drain looks the same.. Been through about 6 full cycles since I got the battery. What battery indicator program are you using? I have battery circle and it's got the same issue.
Again - battery lasts just fine - but the amount of power left is never accurately indicated to me - and that's the problem.
I have had many Seidio Batteries, dating back to the OG EVO. The problem I have with this particular battery is this: These batteries work "properly" when charged on an Independent Charger, NOT inside the phone. If you Cycle/Discharge/Charge with this Battery on an External Charger, the Battery should calibrate correctly. I still believe the issue with charging within the phone, is that the Mopho doesnt accurately measure the Battery Capacity. Try and External Charger, should solve your problems....
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Riggy -
Battery def is charging fully as I get tons of life - the MoPho only shows 1% left though for hours on end.. It's a matter of it doesn't see the correct amount of juice left. As per cutter2668, it may just be a situation of discharge - charge. Dunno.
As an FYI I did the full flash this morning, and I haven't really seen a difference in the phone telling me how much batt life I had left. I'll give it another day and hopefully after a period of time it will start reflecting a true number.
I have also emailed Seidio support directly on the issue.
So as an update, seidio is going to be sending along a new battery to see if that solves the issue. I guess we will see!
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Keep us posted and let us know how it goes.
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Don't know if said already but used battery monitor widget pro can be found on apktop or 4shared if can not find it let me know
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For free?
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So as an update, seidio is going to be sending along a new battery to see if that solves the issue. I guess we will see!
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Any luck on the new battery? Just noticed my extended battery is doing the same thing. :-(
So things still aren't working right. Battery shows 1 percent for half my day and the Photon just doesn't know. However, I read a thread on Amazon about a generic extended battery and someone suggested using Battery Monitor and using Voltage Based monitoring. Its certainly not perfect but it gives you a somewhat accurate reads on remaining battery. I truely wonder if this is OS or a hardware limitation.
Oh well.
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Why doesn't anyone wipe the battery stats from recovery (only available if you have CWM recovery)?
kusanagi-sama said:
Why doesn't anyone wipe the battery stats from recovery (only available if you have CWM recovery)?
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I did with bootstrap recovery this morning, no difference. Sitting at 1% for the last couple of hours.
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I did with bootstrap recovery this morning, no difference. Sitting at 1% for the last couple of hours.
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Maybe this is an Android issue, I've read the LG Optimus S has the same problem with extended batteries.
Ive been using 1800s lately..2 of them that i charge with an external charger that came with them. Usually getting around 18 hrs at normal/heavy use. Considering i was lucky if i ever made it 12 hrs on the stock 1500, it was a good deal.
So both 1800s were dead and the plug in charger wasnt charging for some reason...phone kept restarting.. so i popped in the stock as a last resort and it made it 1 day 13 hrs and might have kept going if i hadnt taken it out at 4%. Really??
What changed it? I had charged it on the external charger and itd been sitting unused for a few weeks. Or does the phone adjust to longer cycle times when using extended batteries?
Ill have repeat the experiment and see if i get the same results.
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Good for you.
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Good for you.
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This comment was unnecessary. He's just asking a question.
Anyway, it may be a calibration issue but regardless how are you getting your battery to last so long? Do you not use your phone heavily?
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Ive been using 1800s lately..2 of them that i charge with an external charger that came with them. Usually getting around 18 hrs at normal/heavy use. Considering i was lucky if i ever made it 12 hrs on the stock 1500, it was a good deal.
So both 1800s were dead and the plug in charger wasnt charging for some reason...phone kept restarting.. so i popped in the stock as a last resort and it made it 1 day 13 hrs and might have kept going if i hadnt taken it out at 4%. Really??
What changed it? I had charged it on the external charger and itd been sitting unused for a few weeks. Or does the phone adjust to longer cycle times when using extended batteries?
Ill have repeat the experiment and see if i get the same results.
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Some higher power decided you deserved an ungodly amount of battery life considering two 1800's broke on you
I've no idea as to why this would happen. You got quite lucky my freind!
Just to clarify for future reference, battery calibration has never been and never will be relevant in accurate battery readings. It tracks what hardware and software on the phone have used the battery, nothing more.
Anyway, I don't have an answer for you. The fact that you got significantly less battery from your 1800's as opposed to your recent stock battery experience simply doesn't make sense. Could you have been using one of your 1800's and not realized it? I know that sounds silly, but that drastic improvement from a considerably weaker battery is illogical. I think you're missing something.
I could be wrong though, and for your sake I hope I am. I hate the stock battery. It's horrendous. Trident 3800mah ftw!
I am a heavy user most days. I turn the data off most nights and mostly just use wifi at home. I didnt play as many vids or any games that day but none of that matters most of the time. Light or heavy use and i usually get crappy battery life. The 1800s being the exception. Not broke...i just hadnt had time to charge them..the external charger is very slow..im talking 6 or more hrs for a full charge. So honestly no idea how my stock battery outlasted my 1800s... im going to put it on the external charger and try it again next battery change. Couldve been a fluke.
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Obvious lack of a read is obvious. Please, do read the entire original post before making a response. It comes across as rude, and is simply not productive. It isn't necessary.
Thanks!
It was definitely the 1500... the batteries look different and the 1500 actually counts down accurately...was nice having that again for a change. The 1800s i have seem more for the atrix than the x2 or theyr from a batch that just dont report accurately. It goes from 99 down to 1% within the first few hrs and then just stays at 1% for the majority of the charge. So i never know when its going to shut off on me.
The 1500 is charging..so ill give it another go whenever the 1800 thats in now dies.
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It was definitely the 1500... the batteries look different and the 1500 actually counts down accurately...was nice having that again for a change. The 1800s i have seem more for the atrix than the x2 or theyr from a batch that just dont report accurately. It goes from 99 down to 1% within the first few hrs and then just stays at 1% for the majority of the charge. So i never know when its going to shut off on me.
The 1500 is charging..so ill give it another go whenever the 1800 thats in now dies.
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Mine has done that also, more than once. Doesn't seem to effect anything though. Seems to go away after a battery pull. Weird.
It mustve been a fluke. Used the 1500 again and got maybe 16 hrs. Thats still longer than what i usually got out of it when it was my daily. Letting it die completely and then using the external charger does seem to extend the charge cycle a bit..but thats nothing new.
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Anyone else ever have battery stats like this? The lines look weird going through it toward the end.
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Just to clarify for future reference, battery calibration has never been and never will be relevant in accurate battery readings. It tracks what hardware and software on the phone have used the battery, nothing more.
Anyway, I don't have an answer for you. The fact that you got significantly less battery from your 1800's as opposed to your recent stock battery experience simply doesn't make sense. Could you have been using one of your 1800's and not realized it? I know that sounds silly, but that drastic improvement from a considerably weaker battery is illogical. I think you're missing something.
I could be wrong though, and for your sake I hope I am. I hate the stock battery. It's horrendous. Trident 3800mah ftw!
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I agree with you. I find it amazing to get that much battery life. I am using a knockoff 3800mah and would not trade it for the world. Especially since I got it for 15$ including shipping!
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Anyone else ever have battery stats like this? The lines look weird going through it toward the end.
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That big drop off at the end always happens to me when I upload a big video to dropbox or I sync my T-backup to dropbox.
I don't have Wifi at home.
I have seen it mentioned in here a couple times now about "letting the battery die completely" don't you all realize how HORRIBLE that is for the life of a Li-on battery?! these batteries were DESIGNED to last longer and stay "healthier" when you plug in when it gets down low on charge (say 15-5% with 5% pushing it cuz its gonna shut off real soon) tho I do understand it's difficult to gauge when to plug in using a 1800mah(aka Bh6x battery) due to inaccurate readings by the system (it's best to use a widget that will show in real time the voltage left and when it gets low throw it in charger).
ALL these battery "calibration" apps& techniques have been lieing, they almost all day to drain battery completely when that's just a bad idea (not to mention "calibration" isn't actually necessary IMO anyways)
sorry, didn't mean to get off topic...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051
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Anyone else ever have battery stats like this? The lines look weird going through it toward the end.
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I see those "empty spaces" sometimes as well, usually happens if I have rebooted, pulled battery, gone into BSR , time got screwed up somehow (I set time manually most of time cuz i found using automatic setting seems to make my phone wake up for no apparent reason..if I need to reset time I just check the automatic box for a minute and the time/date goes to what it should be then I uncheck it)
but I haven't exactly pinned down what causes those lines, if I figure it out I'll let ya know
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I see those "empty spaces" sometimes as well, usually happens if I have rebooted, pulled battery, gone into BSR , time got screwed up somehow (I set time manually most of time cuz i found using automatic setting seems to make my phone wake up for no apparent reason..if I need to reset time I just check the automatic box for a minute and the time/date goes to what it should be then I uncheck it)
but I haven't exactly pinned down what causes those lines, if I figure it out I'll let ya know
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Thank you, please do. Yes I notice they go away after a full charge and reboot. So not to much of an issue. Have had a question mark in my battery before too. Was strange but it went away. Oh well, to hell with it! CM7 all day!
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I am currently on CM7 (Cybik's) but I have experienced this on CM10 as well, just never seen it. This time I actually saw it literally step down directly to 20 from 37 as if there was nothing in between.
No battery apps or task killers to speak of. Getting great battery life on CM7 and the usual 8 hours or so on CM10. Anyone else experience this?
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You calibrating the battery properly? How many reboots have you done since flashing?
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You calibrating the battery properly? How many reboots have you done since flashing?
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Probably not, I'm not doing anything fancy with the battery. And it's been about a week since I flashed CM7... couple reboots at most.
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Probably not, I'm not doing anything fancy with the battery. And it's been about a week since I flashed CM7... couple reboots at most.
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Calibrate the battery. That will go away after two or three full charge cycles.
1) Charge to full
2) Wipe battery stats in cwm
3) Deplete the battery as fast as you can till the phone dies
4) Charge the phone to full while android is booted (not the charging only screen that pops up when you plug a dead photon into a power source)
Itll still drop a wide margin the first cycle. After 2 or 3 cycles it will stop doing that.
Ok so phone doesn't charge as fast as usual and while charging and using it loses battery percentage and never has before. Also when I get a full charge then unplug it goes straight down to 12%. What do you guys think.... Battery or port problems?
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The only way to know that answer is to rule out possibilities. Try different batteries and chargers.
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The only way to know that answer is to rule out possibilities. Try different batteries and chargers.
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Used many different chargers same thing and waiting on a battery coming in
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It's the stock I777 battery I assume?
clear battery cache and try.
if it false please replace it with genuine battery.Unless it will restart during the charging
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It's the stock I777 battery I assume?
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Yes it is
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bqudamith said:
clear battery cache and try.
if it false please replace it with genuine battery.Unless it will restart during the charging
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Did wipe battery stats same issue... Sorry didn't quite understand the second part
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Ok so phone doesn't charge as fast as usual and while charging and using it loses battery percentage and never has before. Also when I get a full charge then unplug it goes straight down to 12%. What do you guys think.... Battery or port problems?
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I just bought another battery. I found it was the battery more than port problems or anything like that. My friend and I have the same phones, same roms. We tested this by first going through 3 power cycles. After we charged it, we had only the same apps working, except for some minor checking of FB and twitter (I don't use twitter, but he does).
After our 4th power cycle, it seemed like his phone was dying faster w/ my battery in it. His battery in my phone lasted about 5-10 hours more, I did my normal daily activities on it, even played some youtube videos in class.
So I bought a new one, and bam, stays alive more than 12 hours
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I just bought another battery. I found it was the battery more than port problems or anything like that. My friend and I have the same phones, same roms. We tested this by first going through 3 power cycles. After we charged it, we had only the same apps working, except for some minor checking of FB and twitter (I don't use twitter, but he does).
After our 4th power cycle, it seemed like his phone was dying faster w/ my battery in it. His battery in my phone lasted about 5-10 hours more, I did my normal daily activities on it, even played some youtube videos in class.
So I bought a new one, and bam, stays alive more than 12 hours
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Thanks ordered a new one today and a micro usb port just to have in case... Does feel a little loose
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I also had the same issue in my i777. i changed OEM batteries and doesn't work. for me it was the PORT.
i ordered 1 from ebay and replaced. now its work fine.
please change the port. it will work perfectly
work around
i am using super nexus rom battery life is great compared to stock.
try tablet charger if you have. it will charger your phone faster. i am using my nexus 10 charger its definitely taking less time to charge.
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I also had the same issue in my i777. i changed OEM batteries and doesn't work. for me it was the PORT.
i ordered 1 from ebay and replaced. now its work fine.
please change the port. it will work perfectly
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Common sense post of the day:
You have to be really careful getting phone accessories off e-bay. In the past I've been duped into buying a fake SD card and a wonky battery.
OK so to calibrate my new battery charge to full unplug then use till it dies then recharge to full and that's it? Is one cycle enough?
Thanks
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there is no calibrating requirement for lithium ion batteries...
Not sure if it is good to let it die. I was told on the gnex that running it till it dies was not good for thag type of battery? Maybe someone with more knowledge can clarify that.
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Not sure if it is good to let it die. I was told on the gnex that running it till it dies was not good for thag type of battery? Maybe someone with more knowledge can clarify that.
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No adverse effect.
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Actually you are not supposed to let them drain completely..
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-tips-for-extending-lithium-ion-battery-life/289
I know this is slightly a different question. My issue is after you flash a new rom it seems the % is not entirely accurate. It will act fine for a while and then when u get to like less then 10% it drops dramatically like it wasnt reading it correctly or just like today I turned the phone off and did a reboot at 96% and when it powered on it was at 92% which is quite a bit of time on the note 2.
How do you get your battery reading accurate again after you have flashed a new rom? This has happened with my Bionic in the past as well. Thanks.
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Actually you are not supposed to let them drain completely..
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Correct, it is bad to deep discharge Lithium Ion batteries.
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I know this is slightly a different question. My issue is after you flash a new rom it seems the % is not entirely accurate. It will act fine for a while and then when u get to like less then 10% it drops dramatically like it wasnt reading it correctly or just like today I turned the phone off and did a reboot at 96% and when it powered on it was at 92% which is quite a bit of time on the note 2.
How do you get your battery reading accurate again after you have flashed a new rom? This has happened with my Bionic in the past as well. Thanks.
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100-90% can vary depending on when you take it off of the charger. Basically, once the battery hits 100% on the charger, it will start slowly discharging itself to avoid damage. Once it get below a certain threshold, it will charge back up to capacity again.
Regarding rebooting, that process is fairly system intensive and it is natural to lose some battery life. In addition, prior to the reboot the OS is calculating a rough estimate of the percentage left partially based on previous use. So for example, if your phone was in deep sleep for hours, then you reboot where the CPU ramps up significantly, the percentage will alter to more accurately reflect the charge left in the battery.
In short, there is never a need to "calibrate" a battery, the OS will sort it out itself even after flashing different ROMs and it can take a couple days for kernels to settle.