I've been lurking the Desire X forum for some time now, and I'm getting my own DX in a few days. Something I've noticed is the slow development for this device, lack of S-OFF, and no official support from CM, AOKP and so on.
This is slightly worrying, since the device has already been out for about 6 months now. Is this too short of a period for development to pick up more quickly? Or is it just not as popular as other devices?
The DX is the only affordable dual core device I can get at the moment and I'm really hoping development will pick up soon.
PS - thumbs up to all the developers currently contributing to this device, keep up the great work :good:
oddoneout said:
I've been lurking the Desire X forum for some time now, and I'm getting my own DX in a few days. Something I've noticed is the slow development for this device, lack of S-OFF, and no official support from CM, AOKP and so on.
This is slightly worrying, since the device has already been out for about 6 months now. Is this too short of a period for development to pick up more quickly? Or is it just not as popular as other devices?
The DX is the only affordable dual core device I can get at the moment and I'm really hoping development will pick up soon.
PS - thumbs up to all the developers currently contributing to this device, keep up the great work :good:
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You asked 2 questions:
1. Is this too short of a period for development to pick up more quickly?
No, its a long long time. Some flagship devices get all above you mentioned within a month. But mid-range phones are not so lucky. Browse the sony/samsung/lge MID-RANGE sets, and i repeat MID-RANGE, and you'll see that they are even handicapped than us. This phone is getting 4.1.1 officially and in my opinion have no reason not to get 4.2 as well. (5.0 will be a dream)
2. Or is it just not as popular as other devices?
See above. Its a mid-range device with satisfactory performance. The design and build makes it look costly and so our expectations rise. I dont deny that HTC have recently not been as consumer-friendly as they used to be, but thats that.
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Yasir
Developers still waiting for JB kernel sources
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Developers still waiting for JB kernel sources
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JB kernel sources dont explain the lack of interest dear.
The ICS kernel sources are out and ONLY ONE developer did something with it. Even if JB sources are revealed soon, it does not guarantee that more developers will come (and i mean AOSP developers).
But i hope u r right.
Not to be antagonistic but it's a pretty poor phone with a dearth of support from HTC to begin with. There won't be a surge of development, for a number of reasons.
I'm not even starting on this phone as I'm already sick of it and looking to sell.
You're better off with a flagship, popular phone if you want many roms. Ideally not a HTC. Sorry to be so negative.
Yes, but how do you explain tha for instance HTC Desire is no flagship but has so many Custom ROMs and official CM too... I think it also depends on support, literally speaking, how many people are using that brand of phone and how much is it favourite...
HTC Desire X
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melendi said:
Yes, but how do you explain tha for instance HTC Desire is no flagship but has so many Custom ROMs and official CM too... I think it also depends on support, literally speaking, how many people are using that brand of phone and how much is it favourite...
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HTC DESIRE WAS A FLAGSHIP. Make no mistakes about it. At its time of release, it was THE MOST POPULAR android device and from then on, it got SO many devs that still its going strong.
Just check some of the features which our 3-year newer device desire x doesnt have.
1. Multiple colored led lights. (4 +)
2. Digital compass
Plus these things which were awesome in 2010.
512MB ram AT THAT TIME 2010. Even now, 512 is not found on every phone.
AMOLED screen
GPS/FM/BT/WIFI all radio related sensors. We are still stuck on the same sensors in 2013. no nfc, no dual camera.
5MP camera. We still have the same MP sensor even though its much much better.
What i wanna say is, Desire X is not a flagship, so dont treat it like one. You spent less money so expect less.
Strictly speaking, for its price, its a very good phone IMHO.
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i dont think it really matters whether a phone is mid range or high end all that matters is how famous the device and how much devs support it i have a galaxy mini not a flagship phone but intensely popular and it has unofficial cm10.1 til date running on a 600 mhz processor our desire x is way better and gives a better bang for buck than any htc phone :highfive::highfive:
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Yes, but how do you explain tha for instance HTC Desire is no flagship but has so many Custom ROMs and official CM too... I think it also depends on support, literally speaking, how many people are using that brand of phone and how much is it favourite...
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HTC desire is first real android smartphone, first nexus released, basicaly only option in its time... maybe it isnt now, but it was best phone avaliable out there 3 years back
btw I had lcd display (you mentioned amoled), it was so much fun when I flashed amoled rom
Just look at the HTC explorer, i sold mine at the time due to lack of development at the time (nothing but jaggyrom i think) but within a few months development was booming and now I'm kicking myself
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Just look at the HTC explorer, i sold mine at the time due to lack of development at the time (nothing but jaggyrom i think) but within a few months development was booming and now I'm kicking myself
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Well then, we shall wait for u to leave desire x and all will be rosy (kidding).
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Just look at the HTC explorer, i sold mine at the time due to lack of development at the time (nothing but jaggyrom i think) but within a few months development was booming and now I'm kicking myself
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The current owner of Jaggy rom aka danceoff also bought this phone! He will also start making roms after a week.
I have been in contact with 2 devs who are buying this phone. So we are soon going to have rapid development(I am also making cm roms and kernels for this phone)
I think the main reason for lack of development is that there are no current devices that possess the same soc thus new base has to be created from scratch and the work for older devices cant be used.Atis112 succeeded in doing that so i think development should increase in frequency for this device.
PS this is my opinion not sure its correct or not.Though its mainly based on my experience tinkering with my galaxy fit.
hopefully we have a rise in developers(though current number is healthy so wait for summers i guess).Cause All i need is a stable cm built and im happy:fingers-crossed:
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The current owner of Jaggy rom aka danceoff also bought this phone! He will also start making roms after a week.
I have been in contact with 2 devs who are buying this phone. So we are soon going to have rapid development(I am also making cm roms and kernels for this phone)
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DanceOff is cool. He's always in the OT...
Great points Dark Passenger.
Worth reiterating there's some great devs still here working away. I'm sure patience and support will be rewarding.
IMHO, the one and only HTC flagman and inspiration for all custom ROM makers is HTC HD2. Just take a look, how many custom roms on all the kinds of OS it has!!!!111 I had one since 2009, but I've decided to give it to wife, she likes it very much.
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I'm not even starting on this phone as I'm already sick of it and looking to sell.
You're better off with a flagship, popular phone if you want many roms. Ideally not a HTC. Sorry to be so negative.
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Personally, I find performance more important features. I think this goes for many other people that bought the DX as well, who wanted value for money. As you can see from my sig, I'm moving over from its predecessor, HTC Desire S. Take a look at the Development Index - it may have been a mid range HTC but there was a lot of development being done.
hell_lock said:
The current owner of Jaggy rom aka danceoff also bought this phone! He will also start making roms after a week.
I have been in contact with 2 devs who are buying this phone. So we are soon going to have rapid development(I am also making cm roms and kernels for this phone)
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If by "this phone" you mean the Desire X, then this is very good news. I look forward to these developments. Looks like there may be more devs coming to the DX :good:
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The current owner of Jaggy rom aka danceoff also bought this phone! He will also start making roms after a week.
I have been in contact with 2 devs who are buying this phone. So we are soon going to have rapid development(I am also making cm roms and kernels for this phone)
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Dark Passenger said:
I think the main reason for lack of development is that there are no current devices that possess the same soc thus new base has to be created from scratch and the work for older devices cant be used.Atis112 succeeded in doing that so i think development should increase in frequency for this device.
PS this is my opinion not sure its correct or not.Though its mainly based on my experience tinkering with my galaxy fit.
hopefully we have a rise in developers(though current number is healthy so wait for summers i guess).Cause All i need is a stable cm built and im happy:fingers-crossed:
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This is great news !!!
I'm also planning on getting this device within a few weeks !!!
I was a little hesitant on buying this phone due to lack of Activity and Deving [There was lot's of Activity and development going in my previous phone's thread i.e. Galaxy Ace ...]
But,
Now that many people are purchasing this phone and some Senior Dev's are coming , I guess this Forum will also have lot's of Activity !!!
I'll also start deving after this device gets Cm10 !!!
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I'll also start deving after this device gets Cm10 !!!
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Don't get me wrong here
I thought the word deving is for
0 -> deving -> CM10
After there is CM10
CM10 -> modding/kanging -> various
So what neXusPRME and atis112 is doing now is deving
I'm pretty sure modding is still considered development
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Hey guys,
New to the board, new to the Ray. I used to frequent the Arc, Play, Nexus S, and Desire S boards under a different user name but I've not posted in a while so I've since forgotten my User info, so thought I'd make a new one.
Anyways...
I got my Ray, bought it out unlocked, and unlocked the boot loader. I was really excited to get my Cyanogen on and enjoy this beautiful device. Only...Cyanogen Rom for the Ray is HORRIBLE. The Camcorder is broken, the live wallpapers option is non-existant, and the control widget is completely useless for brightness control. Seriously, WTF is wrong with that ROM its is absolute garbage.
I can understand the Ice Cream Sandwich ROM being bug ridden, its early time, but at the very least I expected Cyanogen 7 to be fully functional. Geez.
Those are the only 2 ROMS I've tried so far, the rest look boring. MIUI I am not interested in, and outside anything that slightly alters the Stock firmware there is NOTHING AVAILABLE?
Where are the ROMS? Where is the support? Where are the quality developers?
All we have are half backed ideas, ROMS that don't work properly, and nothing else.
Maybe we should start up a fund and maybe donate a few Rays to some good developers that can actually provide because at this point, there is no point in using anything other then Stock Firmware.
The Ray is a capable device, similar to the Arc, there should be more support. I miss the great support that the Nexus S and the Desire S recieved. Especially the Desire S, the Developer from that board are truly amazing. Proxuser and Super kid were really really good developers, and we need developers like them who dedicate the time needed for quality ROMS. Our support is a joke compared to what they have, and I think we need to either put up some money or some incentive, like maybe donating a few Rays, to get the ball rolling.
I agree with you, it's pretty disappointing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the differences between Ray and Arc are minimal, so it's quite surprising that Arc gets tons of support and Ray gets basically nothing. Even more that inferior devices such as the Minis are more supported. Maybe the device is not selling well and not many people have it? I don't know.
Obviously I'm just a tinkerer and not a developer, so I don't know how hard it could be to port Arc stuff to Ray, but yeah, this devices needs more support. How to get it? I have no idea.
I think the stock rom is pretty good, I don't find any major problem with it, it look pretty good and it's decently fast (with Supercharger it's much better), so for now I don't really feel the need to install an unofficial one.
Also, many Arc mods to the interface work on Ray too, so check out those forums too and see if there is something you like. I installed the Xperia styled torch widget and the modded battery icon (with percentage) from the Arc board and they worked fine.
MarkMRL said:
I agree with you, it's pretty disappointing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the differences between Ray and Arc are minimal, so it's quite surprising that Arc gets tons of support and Ray gets basically nothing. Even more that inferior devices such as the Minis are more supported. Maybe the device is not selling well and not many people have it? I don't know.
Obviously I'm just a tinkerer and not a developer, so I don't know how hard it could be to port Arc stuff to Ray, but yeah, this devices needs more support. How to get it? I have no idea.
I think the stock rom is pretty good, I don't find any major problem with it, it look pretty good and it's decently fast (with Supercharger it's much better), so for now I don't really feel the need to install an unofficial one.
Also, many Arc mods to the interface work on Ray too, so check out those forums too and see if there is something you like. I installed the Xperia styled torch widget and the modded battery icon (with percentage) from the Arc board and they worked fine.
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Re-reading my initial post I may have sounded a bit harsh. Its just very very disappointing coming from a device that had a TON of support to one that has virtually none.
I will take your advice and check out some of the Arc's mods.
I've owned a ton of Android devices (Xperia x10, Captivate, 2 Xperia Arcs, Nexus S, another Xperia Arc, HTC Desire Z, HTC Desire S, and finally the Xperia Ray) and this is by far the worst support I've ever seen.
Adreno said:
Re-reading my initial post I may have sounded a bit harsh. Its just very very disappointing coming from a device that had a TON of support to one that has virtually none.
I will take your advice and check out some of the Arc's mods.
I've owned a ton of Android devices (Xperia x10, Captivate, 2 Xperia Arcs, Nexus S, another Xperia Arc, HTC Desire Z, HTC Desire S, and finally the Xperia Ray) and this is by far the worst support I've ever seen.
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I agree with you!...even my previous worst phone...Se X8...got tons of support ...i am really disappointed seeing Ray being put aside...
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What are you guys on anyway? The X8, since it was mentioned, was released 1 year ago. With 1.6 on it... there have been, what 4 different versions? And Gingerbread is sub par on it.
Regarding Adreno's note on HTC Devices.... As you are aware HTC makes phones for many companies, including T-mobile and Google. So most of these devices have almost the same internals. Hence development on those devices is really easy (you just copy paste files from one rom to another and bam you got your kang).
So on to the Ray... It was released 4 months ago. It has a different screen than most phones (480x854) so porting any generic rom onto it requires some smali editing skills. And... There is NO AOSP release for Xperia devices... at least so far. What makes other devices so "different" than the Xperia's is that some of them have been build on AOSP.
For example the DesireZ - Tmobile G2. One has Sense, the other is built on AOSP. So you have 2 completely different builds for the same device.
And some food for thought... Sony Ericsson needs about 6 months, an enormous team of developers and a ****load of money to build their own Firmware based on Already released Code. What makes you think you will see something "new" from some amateurs in less than 6 months time?
Yes i have built my "own" Rom based on the Stock Rom for the Xperia Active. I dont even consider my self an amateur. I am a total noob.
So, to finish this rant, since development for these devices is young, yet the android system as it is, is quite mature, I would recommend you to assist the people who have already developed a Rom for the Ray, in order to make something good from it. Creating a Thread in the development section, complaining about the development being "dissapointing"... then i rest my case.
/rant off
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So, to finish this rant, since development for these devices is young, yet the android system as it is, is quite mature, I would recommend you to assist the people who have already developed a Rom for the Ray, in order to make something good from it. Creating a Thread in the development section, complaining about the development being "dissapointing"... then i rest my case.
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I personally don't want "assisting" of the developers that have been working on the Ray thus far, as I said my original post I don't believe that they are up to the job.
I want to entice more talented developers. What can we do to bring experienced developers that know what they are doing to the Ray?
At this point, rooting and unlocking the bootloader is pretty pointless. You are screwing yourself out of over the air updates, and there is nothing that can fill the void from the development community thus far. What. is. the. point.
This is where you are wrong.
What do you actually want from a Rom? Speed? Stability? Battery Life?
I have managed to do all these with no real coding at all. The Xperia Active with DooMLoRD's Kernel and various tweaks that i found on XDA, when on max OC ranks between the Sensation and the SGS2. Both are Dual core with a far better GPU than the Adreno 205. Oh and the OC is completely bulletproof.
For the time being, the best developers for these devices is Sony herself. It is stable, and battery efficient. You on the other hand can make it more "personalized" and fitting to your needs... Gaming-browsing... whatever...
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This is where you are wrong.
What do you actually want from a Rom?
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Even if I had just Cyanogen working properly I'd be happy.
On the Desire S board Superkid had Ice Cream Sandwich ported (AOSP) to the desire S within 2 weeks, only being able to work on it on the weekends. Thats like 6 days.
On top of that, he had everything working flawlessly other than the camera by week 3.
Thats the kind of development I am talking about. Imagine how hard that was.
We don't have anything like that over here.
No it wasnt that hard. I say again. You need to be able to edit THE WHOLE DAMN BASE, if you want it in a different resolution than the one it was intended.
Yes some guys are simply amazing at what they do, but as i said earlier, most HTC devices use the same chipsets, boards, cpu's, modems etc. Sony uses a board (codenamed mogami i think) specific to the mini's. It uses a different one for the Ray, Play etc.
You will almost never have something like that. Be happy that the Cyanogenmod Team is actually working on these devices.
Hell, the mini's dont even have a MIUI build. Its either CM7 or Stock. But honestly i couldnt care less. I got bored of flashing a new rom every 2 weeks, just to see nothing different. The only difference was Sense 2.1 Sense 3.0 Sense 3.5. The rest ROMS use the same old AOSP build with an ADW launcher or a LPP on top... Big deal.
Now if someone gets sense on these devices... i'd be impressed
Complaint/rant threads about developers are not allowed at XDA. If you want something done, make it happen!
Hi,
I've read that KitKat would need less resource compared to JB.
Since there are already ROM's based on JB for the Legend, do you think that a custom ROM will rapidly appear based on KitKat for this phone?
Thanks.
No.I don't think there are any developers left on this forum.
I too believe this won't happen, sadly. JB for Legend wasn't such a good idea, it simply can't run smoothly on that device. But, if what google says is true (about the hardware requirements), then 4.4 could be the greatest thing that has happened to this phone in a while. I still use my Legend as an mp3 player, but i would just love it if it was more functional, so i could use it in some high-risk situations (to avoid breaking my GN4). This could be Legends last chance to die with honor
Personally I have the Baked Blackbean Rom on my Legend (JB thus) and I'm rather satisfied of this Rom (thank you to the team BTW).
It lags a bit and there are some bugs but it allows me to play with the latest versions of the apps (I love the latest version of gmail for example).
Give it a try if you haven't already. The Legend deserves a better end than as a mere MP3 player .
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Personally I have the Baked Blackbean Rom on my Legend (JB thus) and I'm rather satisfied of this Rom (thank you to the team BTW).
It lags a bit and there are some bugs but it allows me to play with the latest versions of the apps (I love the latest version of gmail for example).
Give it a try if you haven't already. The Legend deserves a better end than as a mere MP3 player .
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I'm also using JB on my Legend, but it is not really that stable (don't get me wrong, congrats to the developers, they did a great job), but it just feels too "heavy" on the phone. My biggest problem was the low amount of internal memory - yes, i know you can create a partition on the sd card, but i've never managed to accomplish it. Tried everything, just wouldn't work. So I really can't use the latest app version, as i can have about three apps installed at a time xD
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. The app that launches 10 sec after you put your finger on it...
For the internal storage, I use Link2SD, which actually works pretty well. When I check, it tells me that I got something like 280MB in use and still have 70MB free.
I just created like you said a second partition (using a soft [named Mini-Tool if I remember correctly] in Windows while my phone was plugged in USB) and then using this second partition to install my apps.
Are you interested in trying again ? You have another phone but, anyway...
I've been part of legend community for about 2 years now, never got into full blown deving, rather doing relatively small mods, tweeks and stuff for personal use only (read, cutting my teeth with android).
Activity in legend has unfortunately died over the past 3-6 months and I haven't seen much from our last major Dev zeubea for long time, so unless there is a skilled Dev equal or better than zeubea out there that loves the HTC legend, its not going to happen. Even then given that jb version never really got finished to stable version, I very much doubt KitKat would come anywhere near the level that jb reached simply due to lack of source code for the required harware drivers...
Ya never know your luck in a big city...
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Well, let's hope such a developer exists than...
KK has been ported to the HTC Desire so there's hope
and sorry to hijack, but is anyone willing to test some gapps? Would be appreciated, cheers!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47101145&postcount=204
Ah cool! That's indeed a good news!
Thanks for the info.
KK was said to be optimized for devices with 512 MB+ RAM via Project Svelte. The Legend unfortunately doesn't even have that much.
But, I ask, why would everyone ideally want to have their Legends running Android 4.x? I don't understand why because although Gingerbread is now running on less than half of all Android devices, it was the last OS on our phone to run fluidly and with stability. With JB and above, Google's cramming more and more features into Google Play services, which really brings down the space the Legend has in its internal memory for apps. KK just won't run like Google intended to on this device. I just don't understand why people want the latest and greatest on a ~4 year old device. Maybe you have your reasons, and I'll respect that, but I can't think of any reason why personally.
It hurts to say, but with the Legend nearing four years since announcement, this phone isn't worth being developed for anymore. It wasn't that huge of a hit, like the original Desire or the Sensation. Therefore, it tends to be more forgotten. It doesn't have the computing power of neither of these devices, nor does it even come close to it, so while the aforementioned devices are slowly getting the bleeding edge, we'll be getting it slower, if at all.
It's a harsh reality, but if you want the best experience in Android possible, it's time to upgrade. ~Four years, that's around two two-year contracts. For Legend owners in Canada, your contract should have been up just this past summer.
This phone will always be a classic, guiding HTC through its brilliant design language with the HTC One flagship and its variants. Its legacy is shown on the devices that succeeded it. Unfortunately, I don't believe it has anything more to bring.
Hi Asovse1,
Thank you for your opinion.
You're right when you say that 4 years are an eternity for a smartphone but personally right now I can't afford a new device that would have for example the screen quality of the Legend (which has an amoled screen while even recent phone still use LCD). If I buy a new phone around 99 $ (my budget) I would have a screen with a poor resolution so the change is not worthy.
I have a JB Rom on my Legend and I can enjoy the last version of GMail for example that has really cool stuff. And this version of gmail runs rather smoothly on my phone, so why not ?
The Legend doesn't have 512MB RAM, for this reason he wasn't supposed to support ICS, but it worked, so while it works with the new version of Android, I will hope that a talented developer will build a Rom for this fantastic phone .
Or maybe I can wait just a few days ans see what the Moto G has to offer...
Cheers.
Hear hear, someone in the same boat as myself. Still using my Legend for daily use. I am on CM7.2 stable. Only GPS is not reliable. Tried a lot higher roms, never worked out well.
I am looking into importing a Chinese phone. Nice specs and an affordable price. Only risk is a broken phone within 2 years...
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Hi Wim,
Have you ever tried the Baked one as I mentioned earlier?
I have it on my Legend and use it daily without any problem. And the GPS works too, even if sometimes it needs some time to find itself, once it's done, it works perfectly.
Hello there,
I have great news for all the fans of the Legend: it might get KitKat !
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1905588&page=28
Let's cross our fingers !
Cheers!
It's been 5 years, any news?
I'm deciding between these two and I like to put custom roms on my phone. From what I know, both Sony and HTC are pretty easy to root and support devs (much better than Samsung I guess), but which one would have more roms and easily rootable?
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I'm deciding between these two and I like to put custom roms on my phone. From what I know, both Sony and HTC are pretty easy to root and support devs (much better than Samsung I guess), but which one would have more roms and easily rootable?
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its tough call on which device is easier to root...
as far as developer support is concerned, I for one hope to get the Z2, the FreeXperia team (CM devs) [they get devices directly from Sony] will be supporting it, so there will be official CM support, AOSP/AKOP will be supported [Sony gives devices to these devs too]... other than these there would be a lot of other devs also picking up this phone... so that should give you a good idea...
BTW, in general, Sony devices have lesser developer support as compared to other flagships of HTC & Samsung...
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I'm deciding between these two and I like to put custom roms on my phone. From what I know, both Sony and HTC are pretty easy to root and support devs (much better than Samsung I guess), but which one would have more roms and easily rootable?
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If u wanna phone or device for developing nothing can replace by Nexus or GPE devices
btw famous custom roms are supported for almost of sony and htc and also samsung devices.
and rooting; as u know almost of time u don't need to do anything for rooting ur android. there always a tool from devs that u use some keys and done!
and suggest u to go for xperia z2 (generally cause i will go for it )
Most likely the HTC M8.
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i havent owned any HTC or Sony devices, but their rooting instructions are somewhat complicated comparing to Samsung, not sure where you are getting that Samsungs are hard to root/unlock. Now, they all can be rooted. just that Sony and HTC are a little harder because:
Sony have a protected system partition where it stores its camera drivers, you might have to restore that partition after rooting/unlocking the bootloader, so to install custom ROM you required extra steps and AFAIK the camera wont work the same due to the lack of drivers in custom roms.
HTC they have some extra security for their bootloader it seems (S-ON/S-OFF, google that) but they support most custom ROMs. Just gotta deal with that BS.
Samsung, their main issue is their Qualcom drivers are closed source, so you might have a buggy bluetooth/camera/video driver at first until some devs are able port/improve the original driver to use with AOSP (kind of).
Just got rid of my S4 one month ago since my job got my an iPhone :crying: I am going to get the Z2 even if they dont have as much custom ROM love as the others, but I am tired of Samsung already. Im thinking of either replacing my Nexus 5 or get rid of the iPhone and stay with the Z2 and the N5. That way i can satisfy my flashing and hacking needs with the N5 while having a premium device such as the Z2.
I'm currently trying to decide between the Z2 and M8. Coming from S3 with literally massive dev support, I can see that the M8 is likely to get more dev support than the Z2, but as long as there is some decent stock based ROMs and decent AOSP/CM ROMs then I'd be happy on the Z2.
I do keep reading about broken camera on custom Kernels (on Z1) though. Is this likely to be the case on the Z2?
I've never been on Sony before, so it is new ground to me...
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i havent owned any HTC or Sony devices, but their rooting instructions are somewhat complicated comparing to Samsung, not sure where you are getting that Samsungs are hard to root/unlock. Now, they all can be rooted. just that Sony and HTC are a little harder because:
Sony have a protected system partition where it stores its camera drivers, you might have to restore that partition after rooting/unlocking the bootloader, so to install custom ROM you required extra steps and AFAIK the camera wont work the same due to the lack of drivers in custom roms.
HTC they have some extra security for their bootloader it seems (S-ON/S-OFF, google that) but they support most custom ROMs. Just gotta deal with that BS.
Samsung, their main issue is their Qualcom drivers are closed source, so you might have a buggy bluetooth/camera/video driver at first until some devs are able port/improve the original driver to use with AOSP (kind of).
Just got rid of my S4 one month ago since my job got my an iPhone :crying: I am going to get the Z2 even if they dont have as much custom ROM love as the others, but I am tired of Samsung already. Im thinking of either replacing my Nexus 5 or get rid of the iPhone and stay with the Z2 and the N5. That way i can satisfy my flashing and hacking needs with the N5 while having a premium device such as the Z2.
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It really depends because you can just unlock the bootloader and flash a recovery without having to S-OFF if you just want root and custom ROMs for an HTC. Samsung is generally more frustrating because they don't really merge device trees and there are many variants of the phone itself all over the world. Used to own the Exnyos S4 and it was development hell .-. So I switched to the HTC One and I got what I wanted. In currently S-ON and I would only S-off to change CIDs and such. It's quite dangerous to S-ON again from an S-OFF as well. Something to consider if you plan to get an HTC.
Happy Flashing from the proud owner of a HTC One.
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I plan to buy a Z2 because it has the specs, the functionality and we are gonna have some hands on good devs from the start of development. I truly believe that its the Z2s time to shine as its such a beautiful phone that's hopefully gonna get alot of development. The M8 is meh. I'm an HTC Fan but honestly the m8 doesn't look all too good and I had much higher expectations for HTCs new flagship
Happy Flashing from the proud owner of a HTC One.
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It really depends because you can just unlock the bootloader and flash a recovery without having to S-OFF if you just want root and custom ROMs for an HTC. Samsung is generally more frustrating because they don't really merge device trees and there are many variants of the phone itself all over the world. Used to own the Exnyos S4 and it was development hell .-. So I switched to the HTC One and I got what I wanted. In currently S-ON and I would only S-off to change CIDs and such. It's quite dangerous to S-ON again from an S-OFF as well. Something to consider if you plan to get an HTC.
Happy Flashing from the proud owner of a HTC One.
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I plan to buy a Z2 because it has the specs, the functionality and we are gonna have some hands on good devs from the start of development. I truly believe that its the Z2s time to shine as its such a beautiful phone that's hopefully gonna get alot of development. The M8 is meh. I'm an HTC Fan but honestly the m8 doesn't look all too good and I had much higher expectations for HTCs new flagship
Happy Flashing from the proud owner of a HTC One.
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The htc m8 like you said doesnt seem too impressive specially spec wise, but i have a feeling it will get a much bigger development support. Not to mention that sony is going to release another flagship in 6 months.
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The htc m8 like you said doesnt seem too impressive specially spec wise, but i have a feeling it will get a much bigger development support. Not to mention that sony is going to release another flagship in 6 months.
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True... After a while I am considering that a snapdragon 805 might do better. Not much innovation is going on with the current flagships and i think 2014 is going to be a pretty boring tech year for phones and wearables are coming in. I'm a proud owner of the HTC M7 and ive seen the leaks of the M8 im finding the speaker grills look weird and there is no use of the bottom bezel. I have to be honest the M8 looks terrible compared to the HTC One and all these flagships are carrying the 801's which are just a bump up... I think i might wait...
Nah, the M8 will have more support (and legs) due to the fact that it has a GPE version. They are already committed to updating it to the latest version of android for two years. This will be ported across for most of the other variants just like it was on the one and that work will be available not long after the GPE hits the street as the same dev already has it in the works and is just waiting for a dump. Meanwhile here you have a phone that will already be old and pathetic when the 3 comes out on its fancy smanchy 805 chipset before the end of the year.
I bought in here guys so don't get me wrong. I feel this phone will have plenty enough support but if that were my main criteria I would have went with the M8.
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I'm deciding between these two and I like to put custom roms on my phone. From what I know, both Sony and HTC are pretty easy to root and support devs (much better than Samsung I guess), but which one would have more roms and easily rootable?
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HTC cannot be Compared to Sony for the Quality of the Build Materials but for Developing Section HTC is more far away from Sony.
So if you want have Software support for your device buy Nexus or HTC, if you want have the feeling of an amazing quality phone in your hand, buy Sony.
Is the G2 the worst phone for flashing? Most G2 ROMS are alpha or beta a year and half later. Now it could be a LG thing because the G3 doesn't seem to be much better. Given the track record with this phone would any of you actually think about a Flex 2 or G4?
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Is the G2 the worst phone for flashing? Most G2 ROMS are alpha or beta a year and half later. Now it could be a LG thing because the G3 doesn't seem to be much better. Given the track record with this phone would any of you actually think about a Flex 2 or G4?
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If you get flex 2 you will cry even more about roms....Imo g2 isnt supported like htc devices, i mean that many roms and that many customisation options especialy Venom roms, thats why i liked htc that much, also htc has best looking UI in my eyes, next is G3 Ui, thats why i got g2, cuz i could afford only htc one m7 which has bad camera and snapdragon 600 for preety much same price (used), and i am totally happy with my decision. If you want more roms, buy htc m9 and enjoy
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If you get flex 2 you will cry even more about roms....Imo g2 isnt supported like htc devices, i mean that many roms and that many customisation options especialy Venom roms, thats why i liked htc that much, also htc has best looking UI in my eyes, next is G3 Ui, thats why i got g2, cuz i could afford only htc one m7 which has bad camera and snapdragon 600 for preety much same price (used), and i am totally happy with my decision. If you want more roms, buy htc m9 and enjoy
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Yeah. the HTC M8 has definitely been looking like a good option.
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Yeah. the HTC M8 has definitely been looking like a good option.
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Good phone, but i dont see it like some nice "upgrade" from g2.....
The thing is that htc phone have been getting modded for a long time now. With the likes of AndroidRevolutionHD (ARHD), Insertcoin, Venom (formerly pokemon rom i think) these guys have been working on htc phones for years and know htc sense well, coupled with unlockable bootloaders and htc's usually great build quality these developers have no real need to move elsewhere. They do great work just as our developers do but our developers have a different ball game to play. Locked bootloaders are a dev headache. Delayed source code is a headcahe. While the roms may be beta and alpha here its not fair to say this phone/oem is bad for flashing as the developers may not want to leave beta before all bugs are fixed (and some bugs can be damn stubborn). This coupled with the speed google releases new android versions and peoples lust to have the latest and greatest time for development roms often get left as beta/stable and people move on to the next port/source compile of android. I find alot of the time beta roms are perfectly acceptable for daily drivers but my logic would suggest if theres a bug it should be beta (although oems dont seem to obide to that ). Not to mention to alot of people this is a hobbie not a job, life gets in the way of hobbies.
With that said, i do agree that the m8 doesnt feel like much of a step up from here. Maybe you should hang around here flashing roms until the next HTC upgrade comes along and jump to that? At this point i think its fair to say that the latest htc phone will be supported by the big teams, it will most likely gain s-off and support multirom and the forums will most likely be rammed as usual with people who are new and not so eager to read before flashing
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I have a G Pro 2.
Well, that's the most unsupported smartphone I ever had
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The thing is that htc phone have been getting modded for a long time now. With the likes of AndroidRevolutionHD (ARHD), Insertcoin, Venom (formerly pokemon rom i think) these guys have been working on htc phones for years and know htc sense well, coupled with unlockable bootloaders and htc's usually great build quality these developers have no real need to move elsewhere. They do great work just as our developers do but our developers have a different ball game to play. Locked bootloaders are a dev headache. Delayed source code is a headcahe. While the roms may be beta and alpha here its not fair to say this phone/oem is bad for flashing as the developers may not want to leave beta before all bugs are fixed (and some bugs can be damn stubborn). This coupled with the speed google releases new android versions and peoples lust to have the latest and greatest time for development roms often get left as beta/stable and people move on to the next port/source compile of android. I find alot of the time beta roms are perfectly acceptable for daily drivers but my logic would suggest if theres a bug it should be beta (although oems dont seem to obide to that ). Not to mention to alot of people this is a hobbie not a job, life gets in the way of hobbies.
With that said, i do agree that the m8 doesnt feel like much of a step up from here. Maybe you should hang around here flashing roms until the next HTC upgrade comes along and jump to that? At this point i think its fair to say that the latest htc phone will be supported by the big teams, it will most likely gain s-off and support multirom and the forums will most likely be rammed as usual with people who are new and not so eager to read before flashing
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Well said :good:
Far from it. With the LG G2, there are probably more unique options than any other (non-nexus) phone. It can run the skinned G2 software, stock or tweaked. You can flash the skinned G3 software with an updated look. You can flash the LG Flex software. You can run Stock Android in 4.4.4 or 5.0.2 as it's similiarities with the Nexus 5 makes it easier to develop.
I will concede that within skinned roms, the updates are rarer... that will most likely change in the next two months as LG's Official 5.0 updates will go through more optimization until it works as a dev thinks it should.
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Is the G2 the worst phone for flashing? Most G2 ROMS are alpha or beta a year and half later. Now it could be a LG thing because the G3 doesn't seem to be much better. Given the track record with this phone would any of you actually think about a Flex 2 or G4?
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I think the HTC flagships having the GPE editions give them an advantage if you don't like dealing with hardware compatibility issues the CM, AOSP etc ROMS can have.
The # of models of the G2 doesn't help much.. Daily CM 12's right now for just the one edition IIRC?
I had many HTC phones and the main thing is they abandon their phones quickly. Or at least they did as of One X+. Every phone, we'd have the promise of official firmware for a new version of android and at the last minute the phone would be eol'd.
I guess the gpe phones might help porting new stock firmware? Not sure since I left HTC after the one x+. Also, I found HTC phones bricked easy and unbricking was difficult.
But man, sense has always looked the best, and viper rom is always amazing.
But I like lg because the stock firmware doesn't even make me want to mod it. Every other brand I've had (Sony, Motorola), the stock firmware left something to be desired.
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I had many HTC phones and the main thing is they abandon their phones quickly. Or at least they did as of One X+. Every phone, we'd have the promise of official firmware for a new version of android and at the last minute the phone would be eol'd.
I guess the gpe phones might help porting new stock firmware? Not sure since I left HTC after the one x+. Also, I found HTC phones bricked easy and unbricking was difficult.
But man, sense has always looked the best, and viper rom is always amazing.
But I like lg because the stock firmware doesn't even make me want to mod it. Every other brand I've had (Sony, Motorola), the stock firmware left something to be desired.
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My previous phone was HTC One X, HTC said they wanted to update it to 4.4.2 but nvidia dropped support for its tegra socket, so they didnt have drivers to do that, but i see that htc one m7 is doing good, it will get lolipop till end of next month, so i think they got better with updates, at least thats almost 2 years of fast updates what you want more? Even google haven't updated their galaxy nexus cuz of dropped socket support...
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I think the HTC flagships having the GPE editions give them an advantage if you don't like dealing with hardware compatibility issues the CM, AOSP etc ROMS can have.
The # of models of the G2 doesn't help much.. Daily CM 12's right now for just the one edition IIRC?
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I've heard the Verizon model has super sweet CM12 support and everything just amazing works perfectly. I haven't tried it yet but there are several Lollipop roms for the VS980 model, which is what I have and follow dev for.
The amount of number of various models doesn't help, although by now most roms support all variants with options to select your model for the fine tweaks each different model requires. The only model that has issues is the Verizon one using generic roms. It seems the stock Messaging app doesn't like to do MMS (I think because Verizon uses IMS). Not that there are road blocks. Lots of ports have fine tuned Verizon editions with everything working. I am personally loving the G3 Verizon rom port. It has everything I want/need and no issues.
I agree that the LG G2 does have plenty of options to choose from and it isn't just Stock or AOSP or CM.
I would not see any problem with my flash addict, if camera quality weren't that bad on AOSP roms. It's the only reason why I'm not swapping roms like crazy. I hope Lollipop will somehow change it (dreaming).
Coming from the Rezound and then the Razr MAXX HD, the G2 is My Flash Dream!!!! Roms, kernels,and mods- the ease of it all is ridiculously great(specially being virtually unbrickable)!
Actually I disagree. Yes G2 is not the best in the field of development and flashing but compared to many other flagships, I prefere it. Take a look at development section of exynous version of samsung flagships. Also there is no bootloader lock or knox or... Here
So that's one of the reasons after messing around with a few phones, including note3, nexus 5, G3 and one m7, I came back to g2
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Coming from the Rezound and then the Razr MAXX HD, the G2 is My Flash Dream!!!! Roms, kernels,and mods- the ease of it all is ridiculously great(specially being virtually unbrickable)!
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When flashing pay attention to model/variant you have, you can end with brick if you select wrong model.
I would not call it the worst phone but it definitely doesn't have the support the old school Galaxy S2 Skyrocket have, I'm still flashing on that thing even though I'm not using. G2 has a ton of alpha and beta roms but very few official stable roms. I'm almost ready to go back to iPhone if these Android phones keep having short-lived ROM support
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I would not see any problem with my flash addict, if camera quality weren't that bad on AOSP roms. It's the only reason why I'm not swapping roms like crazy. I hope Lollipop will somehow change it (dreaming).
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That is the problem with any other phone too unless nexus or cyanogen inc phones.
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I would not call it the worst phone but it definitely doesn't have the support the old school Galaxy S2 Skyrocket have, I'm still flashing on that thing even though I'm not using. G2 has a ton of alpha and beta roms but very few official stable roms. I'm almost ready to go back to iPhone if these Android phones keep having short-lived ROM support
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I suggest you stick to Nexus devices, which is what I'll do once I sell my G2. They tend to have the best action, but I have yet to see a new community with the variety of ROMs that the HTC G1 had...
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totally hoping that the new rumors that LG will build a Nexus phone are true, and hoping it will be a real phone and that stupid Nexus 6
Oneplus x is a really nice phone , i especially like its form factor which is why i brought one just today , but i read a thread where oneplus did not release MM kernel sources and this phone's production stopped. Now i am thinking about giving it back as it would be nearly impossible for future development.
What would anyone who is a present owner suggest in such a situation ? I am only getting this phone because of its 5 inch form factor and good development team.
P.s i know onyx got some top class dev's and Nougat is already on its way, i do not doubt their potential but just this phones future development progress.
Thank you.
We don't need OnePlus for further development. We are perfectly capable of keeping it up to spec. You'll be fine. Enjoy your new toy
It's a phone. You aren't buying it for its future development, you buying it for its features and the fact that they satisfy you. Don't fall in such buyer loop.
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sniper20 said:
It's a phone. You aren't buying it for its future development, you buying it for its features and the fact that they satisfy you. Don't fall in such buyer loop.
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I am a person who is easily bored out using the same rom , i like aosp but i tend to move between different roms (once a week) just because of that . The fact that this phone has CM13 , MIUI (WIP) , SAILFISH OS excited me the most. This is the only reason i look for a phone with good dev community in it which partially require OEM & Chipset supplier support to release drivers.
Of course the phone excites me but I've looped through so many phones that the phone hardware alone does not excite me anymore.
Thank you for the advise tho.
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We don't need OnePlus for further development. We are perfectly capable of keeping it up to spec. You'll be fine. Enjoy your new toy
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thank you for the reply , but might i ask why . I always thought OEM's have to release the kernel sources or the phone will have less chance to be supported by next android version because dev's have to depend on hacks to get things working which is never ideal.
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thank you for the reply , but might i ask why . I always thought OEM's have to release the kernel sources or the phone will have less chance to be supported by next android version because dev's have to depend on hacks to get things working which is never ideal.
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No. Theoretically the only thing we need kernel wise is the DTS and a few drivers. We can pull the source for the 801 from Qualcomm themselves. We don't need an OEM outside of that