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Hey guys, I was recently trying out a few games on my Rezound, namely Real Racing 2 and Let's Golf 3. I was wondering... does anyone else seem to have issues with really choppy graphics with these games? The frame rate dips to really low but it seems like it's just capped at a low speed and not hiccuping.
I'm wondering if it's my device or if it's a known issue cause I'd imagine the Adreno GPU we're using isn't complete garbage.
Any thoughts? Thanks.
I'm also experiencing laggyness and slow frame rate on temple run and switch. Our rezounds should easily handle these games.
same issues here im afraid. ics is pretty laggy as is.
Maybe an issue with your ROM and kernel?
Just theorycrafting.
I noticed this but only after flashing the leaked ruu
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I noticed this but only after flashing the leaked ruu
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im on old firmare with rezrom ics and i get alot of lag myself. i think it's more a kernel issue.
Hmm, Sorry about that I forgot to mention I'm on stock gingerbread right now.
Maybe HTCs not updating our drivers?
I am on Nils Gingersense with stock kernel. Temple run performs perfectly for me. Maybe there is something taxing the processor/gpu? Shadowgun also is smooth.
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Sleek69 said:
I'm also experiencing laggyness and slow frame rate on temple run and switch. Our rezounds should easily handle these games.
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I just put mine down from playing Temple Run. It runs buttery smooth. Not one single hick-up. My girlfriend was amazed how smooth and crisp the graphics were. I've got a CPU load monitor bar app that shows the load. It RARELY hits 100%. It's usually hovering around the 70-80% area on Temple Run.
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I'm also experiencing laggyness and slow frame rate on temple run and switch. Our rezounds should easily handle these games.
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Running temple run on my phone, latest leak, Scott's DE rom and kernel. No lag issue.
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I can pretty much play all games. I have long been a doubter of snapdragon chipsets GPU since my OG incredible. I'm currently unlocked, running completely stock with the exception of the unlock. I figured I'd see how the newer adreno 220 fairs with the HD screen and have been extremely happy with graphics performance and ill be the first one to admit that this blows my GNex out of the water. So much so that I've since sold that phone in favor of more storage, better screen, better camera and overall better phone.
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I have not used ics yet, so I don't know where exactly it is in settings. but there is an option for force gpu rendering. try enabling it.
What rom and kernel are you currently using?
You may just be unlucky or I may be lucky. I've never had any lag issues on any configuration I have used so far. I can't imagine you have tons of background processes also running.
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Hey guys, I was recently trying out a few games on my Rezound, namely Real Racing 2 and Let's Golf 3. I was wondering... does anyone else seem to have issues with really choppy graphics with these games? The frame rate dips to really low but it seems like it's just capped at a low speed and not hiccuping.
I'm wondering if it's my device or if it's a known issue cause I'd imagine the Adreno GPU we're using isn't complete garbage.
Any thoughts? Thanks.
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How were you even able to get Real Racing 2 on your Rezound in the first place?
The Google Play store isn't letting me Install it, because it's not compatible for some reason; yet you have it on your phone?
I don't get it. :/
i have a non touch rezound with all stock and runs pretty well
I've been playing nova on my htc one x as well as transformer prime, problem is it gets laggy in some areas with full effects chainfire fix (no chainfire means no effects but no lag) however my gs3 plays it fine with chainfire and A 200 quid chinese tablet with dual core rockchip and quad mali400 with chainfire plays it full effects no lag???!!! And to help you understand this the antutu score on chinese tablet is 7560 and all tegra devices are just over 12500 so wtf?! I'm just so annoyed,
All devices running clean rooted ics no mods or tweaks only interactive governor
My nexus 7 plays nova3 with no lag at all...full effects
Plays fine on my prime also. No lag, full effects.
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Plays fine on my prime also. No lag, full effects.
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ditto here.
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Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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thanks deadlocked, i thought i was going crazy here and ive been reading the forums of other users complaining. without tweaking anything llike going into development settings max 1 process kill all processes is a temp fix but it doesnt work that well, i shouldnt have to do all that, not sure why a cheap chinese tablet can do this yet an expensive tablet with tegra 3 cant get it right?
i respect the recognized developer above but i thought he was winding me up there as a developer of all people should know there are issues
question now is what can be done, why is this issue even here, how do we resolve this
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thanks deadlocked, i thought i was going crazy here and ive been reading the forums of other users complaining. without tweaking anything llike going into development settings max 1 process kill all processes is a temp fix but it doesnt work that well, i shouldnt have to do all that, not sure why a cheap chinese tablet can do this yet an expensive tablet with tegra 3 cant get it right?
i respect the recognized developer above but i thought he was winding me up there as a developer of all people should know there are issues
question now is what can be done, why is this issue even here, how do we resolve this
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He isn't a dev.... & well.. I'll end there.
As for Tegra 3 ULP Geforce GPU (with 8 spectacular cores)... it isn't a powerhouse GPU. It lacks raw power compared to Mali 400 (and basically all other GPUs)... however, it does have those "oozing" special effects that Nvidia patented.
Also, with single I/O memory controller... with the lack of bandwidth being channeled through during GRAPHIC intensive games... it can have some "FPS" issues.
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Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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What's to lie about? Nova3 and all other games do play fine on my Nexus 7. The framerate not slow either. Like I said, it plays great on my NEXUS 7. now for Prime, Nova3 seems to like to crash on mines. So as of now, I honestly don't know how it plays on my prime. But I do have it for my Nexus 7. Even with full effects, nexus 7 handles it with ease. Prime has software shortcomings that is likely what you are experiencing. Plus you have to REMEMBER THIS, EVERYONE PRIME BEHAVES DIFFERENTLY. SO IF THE NEXT MAN SAYS THE GAME WORKS FINE ON HIS PRIME, THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT. IF YOU DONT, PEOPLE WONT BELIEVE YOU EITHER. JUST LIKE NOT EVERYONE PRIME BEHAVES THE SAME AFTER AN UPDATE.
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP ASSUMING THAT JUST BECAUSE YOUR DEVICE SEEMS to Run the game slower, everyone else's must also. PEOPLE ASSUME TO DAMN MUCH UP HERE. These devices are not all the same, unfortunately.
I have to agee with demandarim. I have a prime with 0 wifi issues, unlike most.. also I have mine rooted and clocked to 1.6ghz, also with no issues at all.. Since alot of people have issues with those I agree that no two prime are 100% equil
And if it runs well on other Tegra3 devices like the Nexus 7 .. Then it might be a issues with the Asus software.
I know were not even on a 3.x.x kernel yet.. we have 2.6.39.4.. even that might be an issue..
There is a lot of reasons youre's might be slow.. You can wait for Asus to release new firmware that might resolve you're issues, or you can load a custom rom, that is useing different firmware for you're hardware that is more based around performance.
Everyone here is willing to take there Desktop PC, load the latest drivers for there screencard or what ever, imagen you had to wait for a new release to update the driver? Like complaining Ubuntu 10.2 is craps compared to Ubuntu 11.1cause it doesn't run well on you're Alienware Desktop.. No.. you update the it... cause it fixes it! So if you would update you're out of the box Desktop for 25 more FPS, then THATS WHY WE BOUGHT ANDROID AND NOT APPEL... cause with a little tweaking its better..
appel is like flying business class.. its just fine.. Android/linux is like flying first class, you just get the bolts and spanner on you way in to fasten your seat.. so with a little tweak is better, or you fail to tighten the bolts, and then you complain on XDA forums
I think you should also remember that your chinese tablet has an 800x480 screen, not 1280x800. That's a HUGE different in pixel count, so a slower/cheaper SOC can easily push 30+ frames a second to that screen.
Its just like all other Gameloft games, they are not optimized at all to run with QuadCores or Tegra3 devices. Order and Chaos has the same issues, it doesn't have mind blowing effects and still runs at 24ish fps. Hell even Asphalt 6 doesn't feel like running at 60 fps. While other games with far, far better graphics run smooth like butter even when connected to the TV.
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I think you should also remember that your chinese tablet has an 800x480 screen, not 1280x800. That's a HUGE different in pixel count, so a slower/cheaper SOC can easily push 30+ frames a second to that screen.
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chinese tabet is 1280x800 so its not any less,
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chinese tabet is 1280x800 so its not any less,
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Really? Which one do you have?
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Really? Which one do you have?
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latest Window N101 it also has a chinese name yuanduo n101 or something like that, for 200 bones its a good deal, capacitive multi touch 10 point ips screen, ics 4.0.4. rooted etc. hd screen and plays 720p files smoothly, not tested 1080p it has a dual core rockchip 3066 and quad core mali 400 gpu tablet itself is really nice, i thought the asus would have have performed better than the cheap chinese one, but obviously not in this case, its probably gameloft being lazy and not optimizing for tegra as all tegra games run really smooth even in high activity scenes, large environments, etc.
still peed off thogh
just figured i'd chime in again (because of the controversy,lol)...
i was running androwook 2.1 with motley's lite kernel, o'ced to 1.8
the last time i checked out NOVA3(actually the only time i played it).
i went through a couple of levels and didn't have any issues on my Prime.
lately, i have been running team EOS Jelly Bean, and benchmarks have been down,
even from stock ROM, so i haven't tried to run it lately.
i have been playing Riptide GP tho, and it is still smokin fast!
Since upgrading to JB and updating Dead Trigger, I have only noticed one hiccup right when loading a level, and then no more lag through the rest of the level. Before the update and on ICS the game lagged like crazy for the first 30 seconds then finally cleared up. I'm not sure which one fixed it, but perhaps you should check out the JB rom as well...
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I have to agee with demandarim. I have a prime with 0 wifi issues, unlike most.. also I have mine rooted and clocked to 1.6ghz, also with no issues at all.. Since alot of people have issues with those I agree that no two prime are 100% equil
And if it runs well on other Tegra3 devices like the Nexus 7 .. Then it might be a issues with the Asus software.
I know were not even on a 3.x.x kernel yet.. we have 2.6.39.4.. even that might be an issue..
There is a lot of reasons youre's might be slow.. You can wait for Asus to release new firmware that might resolve you're issues, or you can load a custom rom, that is useing different firmware for you're hardware that is more based around performance.
Everyone here is willing to take there Desktop PC, load the latest drivers for there screencard or what ever, imagen you had to wait for a new release to update the driver? Like complaining Ubuntu 10.2 is craps compared to Ubuntu 11.1cause it doesn't run well on you're Alienware Desktop.. No.. you update the it... cause it fixes it! So if you would update you're out of the box Desktop for 25 more FPS, then THATS WHY WE BOUGHT ANDROID AND NOT APPEL... cause with a little tweaking its better..
appel is like flying business class.. its just fine.. Android/linux is like flying first class, you just get the bolts and spanner on you way in to fasten your seat.. so with a little tweak is better, or you fail to tighten the bolts, and then you complain on XDA forums
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1. Linux Kernel 3.1.1 vs 2.6.39.4 hardly matters.....
Perhaps you didn't know but Linux Kernel 3+ is really 2.6.40 but Linus Torvald simply renamed it to Linux Kernel 3.0...
The changes between the two kernel is minimal (of course, higher is always better in theory.. but here... it is extremely minimal)
If people want to discuss kernel & drivers..... and need someone to blame for multiple issues we have currently... look towards Nvidia FIRST & Asus 2nd (Asus is customer of Nvidia... and they are binded to their work.. sadly)
2. Tegra 3 SoC... no matter how much.. umm.. someone tells you... IS NOT A POWER SoC. It focuses mainly on battery performance (thus the 4+1 technology)... although.. sadly, it doesn't really perform that well in this category either if you look at smartphone sector (S4 HTC One X > Tegra 3 HTC One X).
Anyways, especially with single I/O memory controller, poor kernel/driver integration by Nvidia & Asus (this is assumption), and not very powerful GPU (yes, in terms of raw power... Tegra 3 is crap compared to other GPUs)..... IT CAN HAVE ISSUES during Graphic Intensive Games. IT CAN... as in... if we take Prime for example.... it behaves very radically from device to device.... thus... some will be unfortunate & some very fortunate.
3. I doubt Google wants Android to be portrayed as "tweaker" device. Google's trying their hardest to appeal to the mass public with Nexus 7..... Btw, all the updates & etc you speak of with Desktop.... going from Ubuntu 10.2 to Ubuntu 11.1 are OFFICIAL support. Custom ROMs are not....
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Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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This. I couldnt agree more. I was looking for NOVA 3 lag fixes on my Nexus 7 and came across similar posts stating how smooth the game is. It's not smooth. The frame rate is ****. Seems like all of Gamelofts recent titles, lag to hell on Tegra 3. (Amazing Spiderman, Modern Combat 3, Nova 3). Look at videos of Nova 3 running on the Galaxy S3. Now that is smooth.
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This. I couldnt agree more. I was looking for NOVA 3 lag fixes on my Nexus 7 and came across similar posts stating how smooth the game is. It's not smooth. The frame rate is ****. Seems like all of Gamelofts recent titles, lag to hell on Tegra 3. (Amazing Spiderman, Modern Combat 3, Nova 3). Look at videos of Nova 3 running on the Galaxy S3. Now that is smooth.
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Yup they all lag on my N7 and Prime, although there is some hope: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1780587 hopefully its true they are working on optimizations for the Tegra 3 platform.
that is bs
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My nexus 7 plays nova3 with no lag at all...full effects
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Dude that is b.s.No offence.you can't install chainfire3D,hence no full effects.TEGRA 3 DOES NOT GET FULL EFFECTS ON NOVA 3.You don't see fire and smoke on the building at the right side in the first level, before you jump off the building you crashed into.Secondly it does lag very badly especially in multiplayer,I am on 620mhz GPU overclock with 1.6ghz CPU with smoothrom 4.1 android 4.1.2
I don't know about Nova 3, but I have to agree that Wild Blood for example is not smooth at all on my Prime.
Backstab on the other hand seems much smoother.
I'll try Nova 3 and let you know. ( Using Latest Energy Rom).
Hi. I am going to get a new phone, I am coming off of a Motorola Photon Q. I'm looking for a new phone and I don't really know which ones to get, I have a couple of them at the bottom. I am a moderate user. I text mildly, watch some youtube videos, etc. But I do like playing high-end games. My old Photon Q has an adreno 225, and it strains on playing MC4, around 13 FPS give or take.
The keyboard also just doesn't do much anymore and with 4 GB or storage, I can get one high-end game. -.-. I am considering these phones:
Htc One X+ - Because of good Tegra 3 clocked at 1700 and 64 GB space
Htc Droid DNA - Because of very good screen, but GPU might not be good enough for high end games? (Modern Combat, Asphalt, etc.)
Nexus 4 - Because cheap xD, GPU won't have as much strain on the lower resolution.
LG-G2 - 2300??? S800???? ADRENO330??? OF COURSE!
I haven't researched that many phones. (Only about 15 in-depth) so what is your opinion on these 4 phones? Any suggestions otherwise?
My budget is really around ~400 so the LG-G2 is like a dream haha...
Well thanks in advance!
The Adreno 320 in our DNA is MORE than enough for gaming. It is one of the fastest and most capable on the market. I play MC4, ASPHALT 7, SHADOWGUN: Deadzone etc with zero lag at all. In my oppinion, the DNA is supperior and the screen doesn't slow it down at all. This cpu and Gpu BLOW AWAY tegra 3.
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But, don't have any concerns with this GPU. It is as fast as my wife's iPhone 5 with the 543mp3 GPU.
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I have noticed a bit of stuttering in many games that isn't related to framerate. I've also noticed this on my buddy's GS4, so it may be a common experience. However, I got a chance to play around with the new nexus 7 and games seem to run smoothly (no hitching or juddering unrelated to framerate), similarly to my iPad, so this may be unavoidable on most hardware not google sanctioned (though the nexus 4 apparently has throttling issues, so who knows).
I'm convinced that most android graphics drivers suck. Hitching in games like angry birds is a bit on the sad side.
Well, the new Nexus 7 has the S4 processsor I believe but regardless, the only time I notice any stuttering is in some 2-D games and I belive that's because games not being optimized for the 1080p display. 3D games I play run flawlessly and are smooth as silk. Lol. But I do notice some stuttering in some games similar to 8 Ball Pool and Jet Pack game (or whatever it's called) I do hardcore Modern Combat 4 multiplayer gaming and it's never stuttered once on me.
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Speaking of gaming, if anyone on here is up for some Shadowguneadzone or Modern Combat 4 or maybe a quick game of 8Ball Pool, then PM me for my info. Always wanna play some games.
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I don't play a lot of games, but Plague, Inc. runs fantastically!
I LOVE plague inc.
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Well I'm on Ecliptic Sense 5. Dead Trigger and NBA 2K13 run VERY smoothly. And 2k13 is probably one of the most proccessor and graphicaly intensive games on the Play Store. I wouldn't recommend a CM ROM for gaming, because of the lower GPU clock speed. You could also look into the HTC One or the Butterfly S if you haven't already.
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I'm back on Stock Sense 4+ with Blackout-V5.9 kernel and stock levels and gaming is ultra smooth. This truly is a gaming phone for me. I play Asphalt 7 and compare it to my wife's iPhone 5 and the framerate is 100% the same and the graphics are actually slightly better on my DNA. That's saying a lot because the iPhone 5 GPU is a BEAST!! But once they released optimized games for our Adreno 320 GPU then it will hands down, be the best. Modern Combat 5 and Asphalt 8 and Dead Trigger 2 is going to he AMAZING on here!!! I can't wait!
On an unrelated note, my Dead Trigger name is Deadlytrigger24 and my Modern Combat 4 tag is my facebook James Anderson. Lol
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So I purchased a new nexus 7 yesterday and experience absolutely none of the non-fps related stuttering that my DNA runs into, even through they're running very similar hardware. It looks like the DNA and even the new S600 phones iare definitely crippled by some kind of software or driver inefficiencies.
Okay, so plague inc was running... Now that I'm on 4.3 it keeps crashing when the world map comes up.
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I know that my friend has the stock DNA and was having some lag issues with a game called Dragonvale. Nothing major but after too much stuff got on the screen it would stutter just a bit. He moved to the NOS M7 3.0.1 (JB 4.2.2) ROM and his performance went way up and has absolutely no issues. Not sure if this is related to the phone having no bloatware, or if the ROM actually has some performance improvements.
I wud suggest the htc one x for u bcoz my friend owns it and ive used it to play high end games which run veryy smoothly
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So guys, I traded down for the S3 and games seem to be more optimized for it. Games def run smoother on my S3 and I find it strange because the S3 has an Adreno 225 and the DNA is the Adreno 320...:/ but I'm glad I switched, 4.1.2 on the S3 is smooth as butter with no hiccups at all.
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So guys, I traded down for the S3 and games seem to be more optimized for it. Games def run smoother on my S3 and I find it strange because the S3 has an Adreno 225 and the DNA is the Adreno 320...:/ but I'm glad I switched, 4.1.2 on the S3 is smooth as butter with no hiccups at all.
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Thanks for the heads up. I guess we just don't rate. Note to self: don't buy a carrier exclusive phone again.
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Thanks for the heads up. I guess we just don't rate. Note to self: don't buy a carrier exclusive phone again.
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I suppose I'd like to pose a question to developers:
In addition to the DNA, the HTC One and GS4 I've found to run most games, most noticeably in 2D scrolling games, with a sort of hiccup roughly every hundred frames. I'm not sure whether to classify it as a dropped frame, hitch, or microstutter, but it seems to ave very little bearing on the framerate the game is running at, of course more noticeable at games that run at a higher framerate. After purchasing a new nexus 7 with very similar hardware, I found that this 'hitching' was mysteriously absent in all games I had observed it to occur using the other devices. My best case example would probably be the game dead space; on the DNA and the One, I noticed severe hitching/hiccups at almost regular intervals with an otherwise excellent framerate. Coming from the world of PC gaming, the first thing that pops into my head is a driver issue as most games exhibit this behavior. I should note that I've observed this same behavior in AOSP and CM ROMS (4.1-4.3) using the DNA. I suppose my question is: why does this occur and is there a possible fix?
Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score. Not to mention, the Droid Ultra has a WORSE chipset than the DNA's yet it gets a significantly higher 3DMark score?..
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score.
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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Ive only ran 3DMark when I was on stock ROM, considering A8 and the A2 Benchmark weren't out then, and on the Extreme test on 3DMark I used to always hit 5.9k or below, now I get about 61xx. On other ROMs, especially the NOS M7 port, or any M7 port for that matter, I always got way worse performance through both gaming and benchmarks.
I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
Slow?
I've owned the DNA since launch (a launch model and a replacement w/ the Verizon update pre-installed). My original was rooted with S-OFF. My current is stock. I have never heard the word slow and the Droid DNA in the same sentence. I have a 2013 Nexus 7, which I believe is also a S4 Pro, and when comparing the two, my Nexus has has more non responsive moments than my phone. My DNA has been a champ for close to a year now. The only drawback is battery life, but that's not the topic of this conversation.
You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
He did mention lower framerates on Asphalt 8.
I think he's mainly concerned about gaming performance, as we now have some fairly demanding games on the market. I don't play games on my phone, so I can't really give any examples of my experience...
Otherwise, regardless of benchmark numbers, I think 2012+ phones have such advanced internals that day-to-day basic usage of the device will be fine.
orangechoochoo said:
You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
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Games like Asphalt 8, I can understand having a drop to a lower framerate, however, even when playing Dead Trigger on High on my current kernel and ROM setup, when turning the camera, I experience immense framerate drops, to even like, 11 or so. I honestly don't understand why the DNA is so under performing. I do a lot of gaming on my DNA, and early benchmarks when the phone was first released revealed better scores than the Nexus 4, but now it seems like the exact opposite. I can't even keep a decent frame rate on Real Racing 3.
rejectedjs said:
I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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You're failing to understand my point here. My main question in this thread is, if all these devices use the exact same GPU, and most of them, the exact same chipset, why do the Adreno 320s in phones like the Nexus 4, the Xperia Z, Droid Ultra, how do those outperform the GPU in the DNA by so much? Even in real world performance. In real racing 3, a nexus 4 can get like a good average 30 FPS, on my DNA, I'm lucky to see FPS Meter hit 30 once.
I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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This is the type of information I'm talking about. I don't know more about Android other than flashing zips, but I never knew that we're basically running off of a generic driver. It's literally about the same as me installing a new GPU in my desktop and running off of Microsoft's OEM display driver? If so, how much better would gaming be if the upcoming HTC One Dev Edition 4.3 update was ported to the DNA as a flashable rom? I did notice that the NOS HTC One GE rom on 4.2.2 had a lot better performance than all other 4.2.2 roms. If the HTC One Google Edition's 4.3 was ported to the DNA, it'd be running off of Qualcomm proprietary drivers? If so, I absolutely cannot wait.
Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
rejectedjs said:
Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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On 3DMark, my scores are higher than the average for any device with an Adreno 320 GPU, on all three tests Thanks dude, I absolutely cannot wait for a 4.3 update!
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resolution has alot to do with graphic performance. Using a high resolution can have a big toll on a graphic chip and thats true with any kind of computer, tablet or smartphone. the reason the Droid ultra and Nexus 4 run smoother in games because the resolution is lower. Simple as that. Dont know about the Xperia Z. 720 vs 1080p. Thats a 25% increase in resolution. It wont be appearant on most games but on high gpu powered games you will start to notice fps drops.
Found a thread with the trick to getting Tegra 4 graphics on our Note 3's. Our device is more than capable of running this so it's BS that Madfinger and other devs do this crap. Give thanks to "lm that guy" in the original thread linked below.
Tegra 4 Graphics: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2496204
Dead Trigger 2 Download: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.madfingergames.deadtrigger2
Enjoy!!!!
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Found a thread with the trick to getting Tegra 4 graphics on our Note 3's. Our device is more than capable of running this so it's BS that Madfinger and other devs do this crap. Give thanks to "lm that guy" in the original thread linked below.
Tegra 4 Graphics: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2496204
Dead Trigger 2 Download: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.madfingergames.deadtrigger2
Enjoy!!!!
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I tried this on the Nexus 7 Grouper and it was almost perfect. You can notice very tiny lag when looking at the reflective water, so I expect that any other device out there such as the Galaxy S4 and Note 2 can run it no problems.
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I tried this on the Nexus 7 Grouper and it was almost perfect. You can notice very tiny lag when looking at the reflective water, so I expect that any other device out there such as the Galaxy S4 and Note 2 can run it no problems.
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It was unplayable laggy on my Grouper, might have been the level I was on. The N7 ROMs based on CM are a mess and don't allow custom kernels without what I consider major problems. Not sure what's going on there.
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It was unplayable laggy on my Grouper, might have been the level I was on. The N7 ROMs based on CM are a mess and don't allow custom kernels without what I consider major problems. Not sure what's going on there.
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Yup you were right depends on the level. First level plays pretty stable. Indoor levels are a disaster. The game is pretty damn optimized if it stays as stable as it does. It is playable on mine, just unpleasant to play, not a dramatic lag. I'm pretty pissed i waited all summer for this game, never released then, and now that it is it requires you to be connected to some sort of internet all the time to play. Groupers depend on wifi, i live in NYC where the best time to play is while on the buses. Buses don't have wifi?!?! How am I to play lol. And my Nexus 7 is mint but the wifi is pretty crappy compared to my girls which has some wear, so here at home even with a good connection i encounter issues playing and the loading also depends on internet believe it or not.
As for roms for the Nexus 7, go with SmoothRom 5.2. Its AOKP based instead of CM. If you've done your homework, AOKP is claimed to be glitchy, but that really doesnt apply to the Nexus 7. And SmoothRom is 99% stable, no crashes, no "Unfortunately BlaBlaBla has stopped working," no fluttering graphical glitches. The 1% instability goes to the fact that at times the stock AOSP browser's Back/Forward/Refresh buttons dissapear. Its stable for daily use. I have it installed on mine and my girls. Only con is that its still stuck on 4.2.2 but the preformance IMO exceeds 4.3 with the tweaks it has.
Kernel-wise, I use M-Kernel to reach the crazy 1.6GHz although I never really clock it that high except when testing preformance differences (it can reach 1.7GHz, the secret is it must be on a single core as NVIDIA points out on their Tegra 3). Franco Kernel gives nice battery life, but theres occasional slowdowns on the entire rom and freezes, at times complete system crashes (not sure if thats only with this rom, i know the latest updates to that kernel suddenly brought that).
So if your looking for a stable, fast, reaponsive rom for the Grouper, think SmoothRom. Kernel is up to you.
I will look in to that ROM, thanks for the heads up.
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nolimit06 said:
I will look in to that ROM, thanks for the heads up.
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No problem! You wont regret it let me know how it works out! I'm now testing this on the LG Optimus G...wish me luck!
I'm using the Root Browser in Rom Toolbox. I can edit the value in the XML, and it says it's saving, but when I go back in to the file my edit is reverted back to the original.
How can I tell visually if the ultra high graphics are actually enabled?