1st off I have looked through the forums and none that are active projects come near this to my knowledge, so if I missed it, I preemptivly apologize.
So I have been oogling this for months since I watched Iron Man 2 back in november and have been messing around with app developer and theme creators to try and make a few variations of this thing work.
This is my first post so it won't let me post a picture of what im talking about.
So.... if you head to concept-phones.com and search for "iron man". You will see what I mean.
Now Im not looking for the point and click and take over a monitor thing (though that would be awesome) im looking for the sleek design of the graphics rendered.
At first i thought it would be for the normal apps, not very practical with a screen like the droid 2 has, maybe for the xoom, but not the D2Global.
Then I thought maybe just a file manager with a sleek look.
I have tried many variations and it makes me go crazy. Then my upstairs neighbor flooded thier apt and fried my computer, so all my work is now gone.
So I ask for help. Seasoned programmers of themes can you help me with ideas/an app that took 10 minutes for you to make that makes me feel both happy and emasculated. I am happy to answer any questions and my aim SN is on my profile. I also answer emails often.
Thanks
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Droid 2 Global
Rooted - Epic Unleashed Rom
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So, if rooting the g tablet is the way to go, it surely must stand up to a few simple speed checks. Has anyone posted various root's numbers or have some to post?
Stuff like, time to boot? Time to load common apps? Time to open the same web page? Frames on games? Time to download? Max browser pages open? Other relevant numbers welcome...
As far as I can tell, without any objective numbers comparing root performance, a lot of this rooting fad raves could just be subjective reported elation about being able to be different.
Granted, originally, the Gtab OS had some flaws. That's old news, get over it. How do the current roots compare with OTA version 3588? I'm somewhat shocked not one of the pack of geeks that have rooted their G tab hasn't backed up their raves with real numbers...
Granted, being rooted to the latest vegan might get access to the full Android market, and perhaps even future updates in Android... However, if I'm finding most of what I want at Amazon Android, is rooting worth the trouble until the roots and android versions stabilize? Show us the NUMBERS...!
I've been there done that with this subjective stuff long enough not to be swayed without real numbers...
Also, do any of these roots do OTA auto updates or do root updates require a download & re-root? Just asking...
Jesus christ if you can't do a simple search for benchmark tests then I highly suggest getting the ipad2. I hear that the ipad 2 reads your mind so out don't have to do any search. We've only had a kazillion threads on this.
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This is not to mention all the YouTube vids on this people have posted.
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Actually, here are a few.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1047098&highlight=benchmark+2011
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12984546&postcount=9
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12986416&postcount=10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12986416&postcount=10
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I'm serious, I highly suggest the ipad 2 to everyone I talk to. Speaking as someone who repairs computers as a side job, I'm fully aware that most people want to be spoon fed everything, which is why the ipad 2 is the ideal device for most people. If people want to complain about nothing, let apple deal with them.
Thanks for the links.
However, as best as I can tell, they seem to verify that the OTA updated Gtablet is about the same speed as Vegan in the benchmarks when the CPU speeds are similar.
However, do the benchmarks used translate into much of relevance to speed of actually using the tablet to open programs, boot the tablet, download & open web pages. Stuff that people actually do with the tablet... Unless that's what the benchmarks are testing... But that info isn't provided in the links. Again -- weak...
The numbers and detail provided in these links deserve barely more than a C grade, if that... And what they provide seems to be at equal speeds, the current OTA updated gtab OS works fine... As long as you don't need the full Adroid market...
You Tube links? As best as I can tell, not one of them is an objective comparison with the OTA 3588 update gtab. They are just videos of vegan working... As far as real world numbers and comparisons -- Grade D-...
Where are the Grade A numbers? It's not that I don't believe the ROMs are not an improvement, it's just where are the numbers to support these raves?
What exactly are you looking for? There are no hard numbers when it comes to real world use, just your user experience versus mine.
You're not telling us what you want. You said you wanted numbers so I gave you a bunch. Then you say you don't want those numbers. So, I ask again. What do you want?
I'll be brutally honest on this one. Vegan isn't that fast. From all my tests, Calkulin+Clemsyn combo is by far the fastest custom rom+kernel for the gtab.
After trying out everything, I'm back to Calkulin+Clemsyn combo.
Would you like me to make a video of myself openning various programs and post it for you? What do you want?
I'm thinking you should drop that 'r' from your handle.
You also have a misconception of what rooting is/does.
To become root in Linux/Android is to gain administrative privileges. In windows root would be called Administrator. Gaining root privileges gives you the ability to change system files and settings, NOTHING MORE. By itself it does nothing.
Now boys...
The fact is that if you need numbers, reports,testimonials or anything else to justify mucking around with the gtab thenyou probably should just get an iPad. Nothing to prove then -everyone "knows" its the best-no numbers needed! The gtab is for people that don't mind the hardware and software quirks as long as they have the freedom to mess around. Its not about the numbers -its about the experience.
[Q] Why should we ..?!
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I've been there done that with this subjective stuff long enough not to be swayed without real numbers...
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Well, I am not sure anyone here is trying to sway you in one direction or the others.
Here is how things go in community forums like this one:
- People search for what they got in mind first.
- If they didn't find its either undoable or not that interesting for the community that no one bothered doing it.
- In both case those people are expected to either drop whatever they are wishing for or pursuit it on there own and then share their findings with the community.
In other words, why the heck am I supposed to go beyond whatever benchmarks readily available on the market to show YOU how good/bad are custom firmwares compared to stock ones when :
- custom firmwares are volatile and each couple of days there is a new rom or rom add on or a kernel released (am I supposed to maintain the stats for every single update released ? else how meaningful would be my outdated stats to you? when it represents a ROM that is no longer a candidate)
- the whole flash back and forth and in between roms is a 10~20 minutes process of YOUR time which would suffice to answer all your questions.
If you still need some usability tests (you can use your own stop watch to time through the videos) you might want to check here.
Best of luck,
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I'm thinking you should drop that 'r' from your handle.
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I think this was the best answer.
The information you are demanding is indicating your ignorance. As was already stated rooting does nothing for performance. If you want numbers you can install each rom and test with each kernel setting whatever your heart desires. Its not likely anyone else even cares as most people only care about stability and a lack of lag
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So, if rooting the g tablet is the way to go, it surely must stand up to a few simple speed checks. Has anyone posted various root's numbers or have some to post?
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Rooting itself does nothing other than giving you root - the speed of your device before and after rooting is identical.
Now, if you want to talk about the speeds with or without an overclocked kernel, or with a custom Froyo vs custom Ginger vs stock rom, as others have said there are plenty of posts out there.
Mine lasted on the stock rom for exactly one boot after opening the box - so I could copy on the bits to begin the rooting/custom rom flashing goodness.
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What exactly are you looking for? There are no hard numbers when it comes to real world use, just your user experience versus mine.
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What I'm looking for is defined, at least in part, in the first post. Copy and pasted here for your convenience.
Stuff like, time to boot? Time to load common apps? Time to open the same web page? Frames on games? Time to download? Max browser pages open? Other relevant numbers welcome...
If I go to a notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards, the various card performances in various games are reviewed. The reviews are very professionally and objectively done with detail. Clicking on any specific card opens a detailed review of that card. This allows users to make decisions based upon what sorts of (graphic game) uses they might actually have.
It seems a similar but much smaller objective set of benchmarks could be performed on the various g tablet roots using a set of common uses in part noted above. It doesn't need to be as elaborate or detailed as the video card review site noted above. Just objectively testing a few simple end user tasks would seem to be adequate to get beyond the subjective raves that one commonly sees about this or that OS change...
FYI, part of this is related to my background as a doctor (plus a computer background dating back beyond the Apple II to programming FORTRAN and COMPASS on mainframes in the 1960s). As doctors we are constantly bombarded with all sorts of anecdotal raves about this or that treatment all the time, only to find that they aren't supported by actual objective research -- some cause harm, not healing. Fortunately for those promoting software changes related to raves and fads don't have the potential to cause anyone significant harm... Excuse me if I'd like to see similar objective professional 'standards of care' when it comes to reviewing and analyzing software/hardware fads. I'm sure there are plenty of others in the audience who'd feel the same...
So is this a religious thread, I see Jesus was mentioned.
Actually sometimes you modders act like it.
I'll get the other times later. Here is the startup time.
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FYI, part of this is related to my background as a doctor (plus a computer background dating back beyond the Apple II to programming FORTRAN and COMPASS on mainframes in the 1960s). As doctors we are constantly bombarded with all sorts of anecdotal raves about this or that treatment all the time, only to find that they aren't supported by actual objective research -- some cause harm, not healing. Fortunately for those promoting software changes related to raves and fads don't have the potential to cause anyone significant harm... Excuse me if I'd like to see similar objective professional 'standards of care' when it comes to reviewing and analyzing software/hardware fads. I'm sure there are plenty of others in the audience who'd feel the same...
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Well, while I can see your point, I also have to point out the other side of the argument. I am an engineer. Last year, we got a college graduate who, from the outlook, had all the numbers and credentials. He graduated with almost a perfect gpa. Sounds nice, right? He had all the numbers. The problem was as soon as he began working with us we figured out very quickly that we had a book smart-absolutely no common sense person with us. I swear, he pulled me aside one time and asked me why they were "watering the concrete slabs" in the lab. It got worse from there. I had to explain to him very basic engineering concepts and applications like stirrups, slippage, etc.
This guy actually went through college getting the grades and everything without actually understanding any of it. He graduated with a structural engineering degree without knowing the very simple practical processes of curing concrete or reinforcing footings.
The point is numbers can be deceiving if you ignore annecdotal (aka common sense) evidence. You need both objective numbers and common sense to work in reality. Sure, I've heard plenty of annecdotal nonsense like creationist BS, religious miracles, and homeopathic crap. I'll give you that. But you seem to be on the other extreme side, which is to ignore all personal evidence and place all your bets on pure numbers.
I'm telling you now. We got both the numbers and personal evidence. I'll try to get them for you.
Doofus
I like the list of missing benchmarks you listed. Why don't you measure them and report back?
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What I'm looking for is defined, at least in part, in the first post. Copy and pasted here for your convenience.
Stuff like, time to boot? Time to load common apps? Time to open the same web page? Frames on games? Time to download? Max browser pages open? Other relevant numbers welcome...
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All those numbers are identical before and after rooting your device since nothing changes before and after root, other than you now have root access.
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While watching everyone bash eachother here has its entertainment i have some advice.
Droofus
1 i would recomend not comming into a community forum and bashing people who put a lot of effort into making the product you own better. These people don't get paid for the hours of work they put in.
2 if you don't like how thing are done around here take the time to be a good example and do it better. You clearly have an idea in your head on how to make a professional stastical representation of the roms so do it.
3 what some people are trying to tell you is that it is not all about the numbers. Some people want gingerbread features. Right now all of the gingerbread roms suck for video performance due to driver issues so i don't use them. I like the gingerbread features but i watch videos a lot so i use a froyo rom. Others really care about performance so they give up some stability and overlock.
4 people around here get upset when the same question gets asked over and over again. If you have done some reasearch reference other articles to show that.
5 this is a dual core tablet, what are you doing that you care that much about preformance.
This thing is faster than my netbook.
6 dropping your title on us just makes you sound pretentious. There are a lot of very intellgent successful people here who are not impressed by doctors or your past experience. If you have useful skills to the community don't brag just use them and people will be grateful.
7 people were a little rude about it but they are right. I tell people that if they want something that is easy go buy an ipad or a xoom. If you want something for under 300 then buy a g tab and understand that with some effort it can be great.
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1 relax... starting flame wars with someone who doesn't know their way around isn't going to help anyone.
I forgot to mention that traditionally us geeks are known for our lack of formal documentation.
P.s. while many of us proudly wear the badge of geek calling us a pack of geeks is a little adversarial.
Hi Guys
apologies if this has already been answered i did search and found a few pots but they didn't give me all the information i was hoping for or match my criteria exactly.
Ok so i have a 3 year old son,
his hand to eye coordination is coming along and ever since he's been able to unlock his mothers ipad we cant get him off it.
i have no problem with him using the technology at such a young age in moderation and im sure it can be quite educational with the right apps etc.
however using his mothers ipad is not ideal, its totally open he could accidentally press anything from in app purchases or anything that is available on the internet which is a scary thing.
we came to the conclusion that he needs his own tablet, that we can load with selected app's and he can play etc.
i looked at the tablets designed specifically for kids like the vtech's leapfrogs etc but im not exactly sure they will be the best way forward because they wont really grow with him yes they are probably great for a certain age range but as he gets older it will loose its usefulness.
i need something that's going to be pretty much a disposable price (£30/£60) lets be frank this is probably going to be destroyed on several occasions.
so i want want an android tablet the bigger size the better. I need it to be able to root the device as i want to take advantage fully of titanium back and restore direct to a replacement device if needed.
needs to be able to run sort of childrens apps available i know the can be a broad spectrum but lets just say the average ones (processor / memory consumption wise)
i have seen lots of different softwares to lock the os down, so only use certain apps etc but any other suggestions would be great. or anyone who has made something similar.
cheers guys
cap
There's a dedicated thread for such questions here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
I'll close this thread.
Good luck!
Hello XDA,
I would like to know if any developers out there would like to take on actually creating my project. For the past eight months or so I have been drawing up (mainly on Inkscape) an entirely new rom based on the AOSP on the G3 (the phone's getting older, I know). All I have are some basic drawings and an idea, and I want someone that can actually help make the dream real.
What even is this?
I've named this little project of mine Hevena OS. The name idea simply came from a friend. I've watched as the past few years how android and the mobile world in general has stagnated. Many of the things that I have thought of came from my own frustrations about Android. Also, my first devices that I have ever used were Apple stuff. I've always liked iOS' uniformity, but they never have enough customization. Android is the opposite. It has zero uniformity, but great customization. I attempt here to get the best of both. Take a look through a few of the screenshots I've attached.
Other stuff
I've explained things a bit more and I've also laid out a few more ideas on the website I created for it https://hevenaopensourceproject.github.io/index.html so be sure to look at that as well.
I know tech is a divisive topic, so please keep negativity to yourselves. Remember that I'm just a High School Student who has minimal C++ experience and that all of this was made with a bit of free time and some basic Inkscape skills . Some of the drawings, particularly the older ones, are incomplete as well fyi. But as I said before, any developers would certainly be welcome!
home screen drawing - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjRjBFWVdtQXNkcG8
dialer UI - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjTmdpVUh6eHcxSEU
notification screen - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjb25Nekt1ZnFScDQ
music app - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjZXdfbU5LY2VZZjA
camera app -https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjRmo4SVhrSG1HeU0
weather app - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjTVdDc1hCR2NZYWM
Settings app (incomplete) - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjcW9yNHVLNUlqZkk
Hi
I have been thinking about why has nobody created an app like WatchChat but for Wear OS
I have no idea how to create it, but I think if you create it you will earn a lot of money. A lot of people would be happy to pay for a suscription to use that
It sucks to only be able to answer notifications and not being able to open a chat and write
Smart Watches has a lot of potential, But there aren't many apps available
yes we can do a lot of money with this
Hey everyone, actually I also had a Wear OS version in the store for like a year however it wasn't financially viable to keep it online so I had to pull it unfortunately.
Probably the biggest issue was piracy which is a huge problem especially on the Play Store but even with that factored out, there unfortunately wasn't much money to be made. Besides that, on Android you generally have a much lower conversion rate due to people expecting stuff for free.
Not blaming anyone, back when I was in school I'd rather put hours into finding a crack and installing dodgy APK's (soft bricking my device and on the bright side learning a lot along the way) instead of simply paying 50 cents for an app, I definitely know where some people are coming from with that and I can't judge - but the bottom line is the same, I wasn't able to justify putting any more work into this since it couldn't attract many people so I had to drop it.
I may get back to Android development at some point, maybe things have changed since then but at the moment that's the status.
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Hey everyone, actually I also had a Wear OS version in the store for like a year however it wasn't financially viable to keep it online so I had to pull it unfortunately.
Probably the biggest issue was piracy which is a huge problem especially on the Play Store but even with that factored out, there unfortunately wasn't much money to be made. Besides that, on Android you generally have a much lower conversion rate due to people expecting stuff for free.
Not blaming anyone, back when I was in school I'd rather put hours into finding a crack and installing dodgy APK's (soft bricking my device and on the bright side learning a lot along the way) instead of simply paying 50 cents for an app, I definitely know where some people are coming from with that and I can't judge - but the bottom line is the same, I wasn't able to justify putting any more work into this since it couldn't attract many people so I had to drop it.
I may get back to Android development at some point, maybe things have changed since then but at the moment that's the status.
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I just sold my Galaxy Watch 4 Classic, I will switch to Apple Watch because I really need an app like WatchChat
I don't like iPhones, I was very happy with the S21 Ultra, but I'm a medical student and I need to check my messages fast and write fast too and I can't take out my phone because I'm not allowed to