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I bought the htc touch pro sprint version off a good deal. I used the elite team unlocker and I tossed the vzw leaked rom on the touch pro. Installation of the leaked rom went fairly well, and I thought I was ready to get this device connected via vzw network. I called vzw 3 times, went to 3 different stores, all have the same answer.
They cannot add the esn to their database. So my question is - what's the workaround regarding that policy? Do I have a very expensive alarm on my hands or is there something that can be done?
btw I haven't unlocked the msl code and I put the sprint rom (stock rom) back on the device to start fresh. Bear in mind I tried Getspc and I found that didn't work too well. I also tried QPST on vista and windows xp and the same popup on both machines came up (installing new drivers, please select driver location) to try and change the msl.
Any other thoughts or a good direction of where to go? I tried going to mobile files and I got an okay understanding of it, but an issue is well...I'm not sure of what to do.
I know there was a thread in the diamond forum to change the esn and I think that would be a good idea, what are your thoughts on it? Is it a good idea? Did I just open up pandora's box?
Try this
Go to forum.ppcgeeks.com
I believe I read something similar to this on that site. Don't know about the solution, but they are more advanced in dealing with the CDMA Pro, as they appear to have had it longer.
Sorry I couldnt help more. So Much for the Open Network Verizon promised.
Carriers sometimes are just a BIG Joke.
yeah I was reading two topics started by one guy...seems he went through the same drama that i went through
so I'm thinking from the discussion the only way would be to send the phone to verizon and I don't want to do that honestly
Dont
Don't Do it, and Verizon would rather you bu their own touch Pro when it gets released
Unless you can edit/spoof a Verizon ESN I don't think it's possible currently. If you do manage to find a way to do that, you need to be careful as it's probably illegal (as the ESN could belong to someone else -- and I'm sure there's laws in place to "protect you") -- Guessing at least, IANAL
Yes, technically it is illegal to change the ESN of a phone, however, I know that there was a way to change it (at least for the Mogul).
its been done
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44663
trying it now and so far my results are exactly as advertised huzzah!
So what's the verdict? Success or Fail?
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So what's the verdict? Success or Fail?
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its my understanding that at this time vzn has suspended adding ESN's to there DMD. check the PPCgeeks post above your post and check to make sure though.
Yeah, I see they have some Sprint Touch Pro's on e-bay and I was thinking about getting one for my verizon account because they are cheaper and also I heard they have more processor memory or something. So does that no longer work, or can someone point me to a thread on this?
if you go to PPC geeks you can fint the post in the TP section.
I have a sprint touch pro on vzw network working perfectly using the above method a wile back, however 2 days ago i lost internet, and decided to activate an old phone and reactivate the touch pro to reset the internet settings on verizons network, when reactivating the sprint touch pro i was told the esn was invalad du to the fact that it was not 911 compadable,.. wich we allknow it is, but i believe verizon has just set their network to generate that error when a sprint esn is trying to be added, as of right now there is a truble ticken in with verizons it department but, im not very hopefull, i think my next step would be to clone an esn of a verizon phone i am not using, can anyone help me with that?
if it was anything close to what I had to do to get it on alltel, if you can get them to add the esn you may have to manually program it then add a prl then try *228 it....you do best to call vzw CS and tell them its theirs if they ask...
I can't find any information on flashing samsung vibrant to cricket. I don't care about a full flash, voice and text is fine for my purposes. I don't care about data or android market or any of that.
I have seriously been NON STOP looking for last 2 days with no luck. I checked the cricket forums and I searched the forums here without any luck. I am an amateur I am not going to lie.
But I have a very good general background in technology and, I have already rooted the phone. I was trying to follow a guide I found but honestly I am not 100% sure that even does what I want it to. QPST samsung vibrant but when I do it I cannot simultaneously connect both the phone and run the software. If software is running first my computer won't recognize the phone as a modem and if the phone is connected first the software freezes and I can't even close it with task manager, I have to reboot comp.
Any help at all would be appreciated. I don't even know if this is the right forum for this question and I am sorry if I put it in the wrong place but this is vexing me.
Does cricket even use sim cards? If they are not a GSM carrier, it would make it impossible to use the vibrant on their network/service
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Cricket is cdma (sprint, Verizon, us cellular type radio, meaning no sim card) and the vibrant is gsm (meaning it uses a sim card).
The vibrant cannot and will not work with cricket.
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Well question solved. Definately not the answer I wanted but that can't be helped.
Are there any nationwide carriers that use GSM available similar in price to cricket? I will be looking into this right after posting this question but I figure I might as well see if anyone knows any decent ones they can recommend. Basically, looking for cheapest possible with nationwide coverage.
I just need talk and text. Preferably no activation fee and no cost for sim but I know I am being overly optimistic with that lol. I also know that this forum isn't the place for that so any help is appreciated but I understand if no one has an idea.
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Are there any nationwide carriers that use GSM available similar in price to cricket? I will be looking into this right after posting this question but I figure I might as well see if anyone knows any decent ones they can recommend. Basically, looking for cheapest possible with nationwide coverage.
I just need talk and text. Preferably no activation fee and no cost for sim but I know I am being overly optimistic with that lol. I also know that this forum isn't the place for that so any help is appreciated but I understand if no one has an idea.
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there is the one that wal-mart sells that you could look into
Ok, this thread was closed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660357 before anything "illegal" could be discussed.
However, it does raise questions for me and possibly for others and while the power of Google is there, I'd like to ask here for clarification and educational purposes.
DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT get my thread closed by explaining how to change ESN. It has been made VERY clear that is illegal and against XDA.
However, this is the question: What is ESN and why exactly is it illegal to change it?
It was brought up in the aforementioned thread that if an Evo 3D is to be put on VM, the ESN would have to be changed.
That also brings up another question: Does the ESN have to be changed to be flashed to other carriers (Metro PCS, Cricket, Boost, etc)? If so, why are there guides on how to flash over.
Again, I'm curious about this, which is something I don't know anything about. And, again, please DO NOT get this thread closed by posting instructions on how to change ESN.
Thanks in advance for non-flaming assistance.
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Ok, this thread was closed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660357 before anything "illegal" could be discussed.
However, it does raise questions for me and possibly for others and while the power of Google is there, I'd like to ask here for clarification and educational purposes.
DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT get my thread closed by explaining how to change ESN. It has been made VERY clear that is illegal and against XDA.
However, this is the question: What is ESN and why exactly is it illegal to change it?
It was brought up in the aforementioned thread that if an Evo 3D is to be put on VM, the ESN would have to be changed.
That also brings up another question: Does the ESN have to be changed to be flashed to other carriers (Metro PCS, Cricket, Boost, etc)? If so, why are there guides on how to flash over.
Again, I'm curious about this, which is something I don't know anything about. And, again, please DO NOT get this thread closed by posting instructions on how to change ESN.
Thanks in advance for non-flaming assistance.
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Although it is easy to search and find out roughly how to flash a phone to a different carrier, here's the basics.
You have to have a donor phone from the carrier you want. You clone that ESN of the donor to the new phone. As far as the new carrier is concerned, your phone will appear as the donor phone. Although I believe it is illegal to clone ESNs, it seems to be a bit of a grey area. This is because more than likely, you go buy or get a cheap boost/cricket/or other carrier phone to use as the donor and therefore you actually own that phone. It's like copying an old CD to a new burned one when it is too scratched up to play in a player to me. You own the original CD and just want to transfer it to a new CD to keep using it for your own purposes.
+1 to all these questions, especially why flashing for VM would be any different than Metro, etc. I was discussing my conjecture that using the 3d on VM would be a simple matter of finding a compatible Rom with proper radios (like the VM ics leak) and doing a few minor tweaks. Then the ESN thing was brought up and thread closed.
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ESN is electronic serial number and is used to identify each device. Its something like IMEI for CDMA phones. Then, if some people has lost the phone you can report the ESN and no one can use it. But if you change it to another number you can use as long as you want. That's the main reason it is illegal.And not, you don't need to change ESN if you want to change the carrier. At least I didn't see the need. I usually buy phones from sprint and then I flash in Mexico to iusacell and the ESN is never changed.
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Although it is easy to search and find out roughly how to flash a phone to a different carrier, here's the basics.
You have to have a donor phone from the carrier you want. You clone that ESN of the donor to the new phone. As far as the new carrier is concerned, your phone will appear as the donor phone. Although I believe it is illegal to clone ESNs, it seems to be a bit of a grey area. This is because more than likely, you go buy or get a cheap boost/cricket/or other carrier phone to use as the donor and therefore you actually own that phone. It's like copying an old CD to a new burned one when it is too scratched up to play in a player to me. You own the original CD and just want to transfer it to a new CD to keep using it for your own purposes.
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Very good explanation. Yes, I know searching it is a possibility, however, I didn't see anything that jumped out at me on this Q & A forum and figured others are curious and should now about this stuff. There are some lines that are ridiculous, but, there are some that should not be crossed and this sounds like one.
Perfect analogy with the CD burning.
coal686 said:
+1 to all these questions, especially why flashing for VM would be any different than Metro, etc. I was discussing my conjecture that using the 3d on VM would be a simple matter of finding a compatible Rom with proper radios (like the VM ics leak) and doing a few minor tweaks. Then the ESN thing was brought up and thread closed.
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Ditto, ditto, ditto.
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ESN is electronic serial number and is used to identify each device. Its something like IMEI for CDMA phones. Then, if some people has lost the phone you can report the ESN and no one can use it. But if you change it to another number you can use as long as you want. That's the main reason it is illegal.And not, you don't need to change ESN if you want to change the carrier. At least I didn't see the need. I usually buy phones from sprint and then I flash in Mexico to iusacell and the ESN is never changed.
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So, CDMA phones have IMEI and GSM phones have ESN?
Also, it was mentioned the ESN would have to be changed to go to VM. Why would that be if the ESN doesn't have to be changed to be flashed to other CDMA networks?
saboxerman said:
Very good explanation. Yes, I know searching it is a possibility, however, I didn't see anything that jumped out at me on this Q & A forum and figured others are curious and should now about this stuff. There are some lines that are ridiculous, but, there are some that should not be crossed and this sounds like one.
Perfect analogy with the CD burning.
Ditto, ditto, ditto.
So, CDMA phones have IMEI and GSM phones have ESN?
Also, it was mentioned the ESN would have to be changed to go to VM. Why would that be if the ESN doesn't have to be changed to be flashed to other CDMA networks?
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Yes, CDMA phones have an Electronic Serial Number (ESN) and GSM phones have a International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI). My understanding is that if you want to use an EVO 3D on Cricket say, you have to do the donor phone swarp because they don't use the EVO 3D on thier network.
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Yes, CDMA phones have an Electronic Serial Number (ESN) and GSM phones have a International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI). My understanding is that if you want to use an EVO 3D on Cricket say, you have to do the donor phone swarp because they don't use the EVO 3D on thier network.
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Is that specific to Cricket?
Sorry for so many questions, but, I'd like to have a clear understanding for myself and those reading.
Metro PCS doesn't use the Evo 3D on their network, however, there are instructions on flashing the phone to their network. Is that illegal? If so, how is that thread still up in the Development forum?
saboxerman said:
Is that specific to Cricket?
Sorry for so many questions, but, I'd like to have a clear understanding for myself and those reading.
Metro PCS doesn't use the Evo 3D on their network, however, there are instructions on flashing the phone to their network. Is that illegal? If so, how is that thread still up in the Development forum?
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So after some searching and watching some videos on youtube, you may not have to change the ESN to flash to a different carrier.
raptoro07 said:
So after some searching and watching some videos on youtube, you may not have to change the ESN to flash to a different carrier.
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Yeah...I can't hit YouTube at work. They have it blocked.
So, the question now is whether or not it is true the ESN has to be changed for VM. If so, why would it have to be changed?
saboxerman said:
Yeah...I can't hit YouTube at work. They have it blocked.
So, the question now is whether or not it is true the ESN has to be changed for VM. If so, why would it have to be changed?
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Okay, more info after more seraching.
You do not need to change the ESN (the process using a Donor phone) if the carrier you are attempting to use will accept your ESN. However, from what I have read, Virgin Mobile will only accept the ESN from a phone they have sold. Some carriers will allow ESNs on their network. In order to get a phone onto VM, you will have to get a donor and change the ESN (mentioned before as ILLEGAL). You could try flashing it, there are some guides out there to VM, but may not be able to activate without changing the ESN (Again ILLEGAL).
Ok, so lets sum it up. Most CDMA carriers only allow phones on their network that they themselves sold. Meaning it HAS to be branded by them. I.E. Sprint, VM, Boost (depends on who you talk to), Verizon, and a few others. On the other hand some carriers allow any ESN to be put on their network.
And that is where it lies. Because VM will not add ANY ESN to their database that they didn't sell. But for say like Cricket, they will allow any CDMA phone to their network. Thats why for Cricket all you have to do is get your data profile setup correctly and get the ESN registered with them.
But for VM, you have to change ESN's which in fact in black and white is illegal. There is no grey area. If you modify an ESN in any way shape or form you are breaking the law.
Cool, can we close this thread now?
I think that sums up everything and now I have a very clear picture of what the deal is.
Thank you to everyone who contributed to the answer and I hope this helps others out there with the same question.
Cool to close the thread?
Okay so I found a nice new phone come into my hands from a craiglist deal, popped in sim card, everything worked great. Sometime over night my device had been blocked from network use. I understand AT&T now can blacklist a phones IMEI phone and block any network access onto AT&T's gsm network. My sim would no longer work in my older phone, so I called and got that fixed, but I now have a stupid nice phone that im using for a paper weight. Obviously the person who sold it to me either knew it was reported lost or stolen, or reported it after selling it to me, its whatever it happens right. I dont want to go on craigslist and rip someone else off, thats not fair and would make me a ****ty person.
So I still have the phone, I know ill never be able to change IMEIs even with samsung tools12.7, and I know ill never see AT&Ts network work on the phone. Now, I understand that t-mobile is also on the gsm network, and I know that t-mobile has the highest block/blacklist capability of all cellphone carriers, that will even block an IMEI just for a late payment. But does AT&T share the same IMEI block list as T-mobile? Would I be able to just root my phone, and unlock it for Tmobile use, get a tmobile sim card and go from there? Or since theyre both gsm is my IMEI gonna blocked from all gsm networks.
I just need a way to put this phone to use, I spend good money on it and would like it to work. Even if that means switching cell phone companies and starting up a new "go phone" like plan. If anyone with any helpful tips or any useful information could just throw me some of their time with a reply I would be so grateful.
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Okay so I found a nice new phone come into my hands from a craiglist deal, popped in sim card, everything worked great. Sometime over night my device had been blocked from network use. I understand AT&T now can blacklist a phones IMEI phone and block any network access onto AT&T's gsm network. My sim would no longer work in my older phone, so I called and got that fixed, but I now have a stupid nice phone that im using for a paper weight. Obviously the person who sold it to me either knew it was reported lost or stolen, or reported it after selling it to me, its whatever it happens right. I dont want to go on craigslist and rip someone else off, thats not fair and would make me a ****ty person.
So I still have the phone, I know ill never be able to change IMEIs even with samsung tools12.7, and I know ill never see AT&Ts network work on the phone. Now, I understand that t-mobile is also on the gsm network, and I know that t-mobile has the highest block/blacklist capability of all cellphone carriers, that will even block an IMEI just for a late payment. But does AT&T share the same IMEI block list as T-mobile? Would I be able to just root my phone, and unlock it for Tmobile use, get a tmobile sim card and go from there? Or since theyre both gsm is my IMEI gonna blocked from all gsm networks.
I just need a way to put this phone to use, I spend good money on it and would like it to work. Even if that means switching cell phone companies and starting up a new "go phone" like plan. If anyone with any helpful tips or any useful information could just throw me some of their time with a reply I would be so grateful.
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Report the buyer to ATT and they can unblock the phone if you can prove you bought it from someone.
iSmkGrnBud said:
Okay so I found a nice new phone come into my hands from a craiglist deal, popped in sim card, everything worked great. Sometime over night my device had been blocked from network use. I understand AT&T now can blacklist a phones IMEI phone and block any network access onto AT&T's gsm network. My sim would no longer work in my older phone, so I called and got that fixed, but I now have a stupid nice phone that im using for a paper weight. Obviously the person who sold it to me either knew it was reported lost or stolen, or reported it after selling it to me, its whatever it happens right. I dont want to go on craigslist and rip someone else off, thats not fair and would make me a ****ty person.
So I still have the phone, I know ill never be able to change IMEIs even with samsung tools12.7, and I know ill never see AT&Ts network work on the phone. Now, I understand that t-mobile is also on the gsm network, and I know that t-mobile has the highest block/blacklist capability of all cellphone carriers, that will even block an IMEI just for a late payment. But does AT&T share the same IMEI block list as T-mobile? Would I be able to just root my phone, and unlock it for Tmobile use, get a tmobile sim card and go from there? Or since theyre both gsm is my IMEI gonna blocked from all gsm networks.
I just need a way to put this phone to use, I spend good money on it and would like it to work. Even if that means switching cell phone companies and starting up a new "go phone" like plan. If anyone with any helpful tips or any useful information could just throw me some of their time with a reply I would be so grateful.
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Sell it to me .. Hit.me with a pm if u
Interested
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I'd honestly like to keep it, can anyone verify if it will work with t mob
iSmkGrnBud said:
I'd honestly like to keep it, can anyone verify if it will work with t mob
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It will operate on TMo, but except in a very few areas where TMo uses the same 3G bands as ATT, you will only get edge data speeds.
Edit: once it's unlocked it will operate on TMo.
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It will operate on TMo, but except in a very few areas where TMo uses the same 3G bands as ATT, you will only get edge data speeds.
Edit: once it's unlocked it will operate on TMo.
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OK so normal SMS, calling, general networking would still be the same? Just I would get edge data instead of the 4g or 3g?
please note the blacklist will soon be shared with all carriers
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please note the blacklist will soon be shared with all carriers
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Yup, T-Mobile and AT&T will be sharing their IMEI blacklists soon so it will only work on T-Mobile for a month before they start blocking it, too.
You can either use it as something other than a phone or sell it on eBay to someone who doesn't want t use it as a phone.
Or track the buyer and report it to ATT. They will remove it if you can provide proof.
I just feel sorry for the poor guy who had their phone stolen.
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I just feel sorry for the poor guy who had their phone stolen.
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If it was even stolen. I'm pretty sure they just sold it then reported it stolen so that they get cash and a free replacement from att.
Hey all,
So I've done some searching here, but I cannot find a concise, definitive answer to my questions. I'm buying a first phone for my daughter for Christmas, mainly for use as an MP3 and video player, but also for emergencies. She's still young, so when I say emergency we were leaning towards ONLY FOR A 911 TYPE EMERGENCY, as I believe those are placed even if the phone isn't activated. Anyway, her mom and I are on a GSM carrier so if we did activate it, we'd likely do it there, or a very cheap CDMA provider like Page Plus. So if I buy a phone off eBay or Craigslist today, regardless of whatever HBOOT/BOOTLOADER or ROM it has on it, can I still root it, use HTC Dev to unlock the bootloader, the toolkit to S-OFF, and then flash a 4.X ROM and use GSM if I desire?
Thanks for any help! If this will work then I'll go this route and she'll be very excited!!
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Hey all,
So I've done some searching here, but I cannot find a concise, definitive answer to my questions. I'm buying a first phone for my daughter for Christmas, mainly for use as an MP3 and video player, but also for emergencies. She's still young, so when I say emergency we were leaning towards ONLY FOR A 911 TYPE EMERGENCY, as I believe those are placed even if the phone isn't activated. Anyway, her mom and I are on a GSM carrier so if we did activate it, we'd likely do it there, or a very cheap CDMA provider like Page Plus. So if I buy a phone off eBay or Craigslist today, regardless of whatever HBOOT/BOOTLOADER or ROM it has on it, can I still root it, use HTC Dev to unlock the bootloader, the toolkit to S-OFF, and then flash a 4.X ROM and use GSM if I desire?
Thanks for any help! If this will work then I'll go this route and she'll be very excited!!
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The answer is yes, you can do that... the phone will work for E911 calls without being activated. You can also unlock, S-OFF, root, ROM and everything else like you said, although the Rezound is a little more complicated than to S-OFF than just using a toolkit it is doable with some homework and a little Linux knowledge, but to be honest, GSM works fine (Edge data only, 3G/4G higher possible with significant tweaking on some GSM carriers) on the stock 4.5.605.14 ROM.
If you know you will likely be activating this on a GSM carrier, why not get a phone designed for that right off the bat? Several unlocked GSM phones can be purchased for around the same price as the Rez, like the Galaxy Nexus, Sony Xperia S, HTC Sensation, Samsung GS2 GT-I9100 or similar phones. Don't get me wrong, I love the Rezound, but for ease of use on a GSM carrier with full 3G data you migh be better off looking at a phone suited to that purpose.
Yes, it's doable, just know what you are in for...
Thanks you.SO much! I've done wire tricks on some phones before and I think I'm learning that is the challenge here, but I should be good. I appreciate the other thoughts as well. To your question, well, we have poor GSM coverage in a number of spots around here, even we my wife and I using it, and CDMA seems like a good emergency precaution.
Thanks again so much!!
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Thanks you.SO much! I've done wire tricks on some phones before and I think I'm learning that is the challenge here, but I should be good. I appreciate the other thoughts as well. To your question, well, we have poor GSM coverage in a number of spots around here, even we my wife and I using it, and CDMA seems like a good emergency precaution.
Thanks again so much!!
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Cool... Note that activating the Rezound on PagePlus requires significant "tweaking" and a donor PagePlus phone to clone the ESN/MEID, PagePlus will not activate the Rezound as it is, neither will any other CDMA carrier but Verizon, and even then they won't do it on a prepaid plan. People have mentioned before that Cricket will do it, but the results have been mixed.
As long as you are aware of the issues and what you might need to do, go for it. Although for use as a video player, I would recommend an extended battery, the screen time on a standard battery is >2 hours. :/
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Cool... Note that activating the Rezound on PagePlus requires significant "tweaking" and a donor PagePlus phone to clone the ESN/MEID, PagePlus will not activate the Rezound as it is, neither will any other CDMA carrier but Verizon, and even then they won't do it on a prepaid plan. People have mentioned before that Cricket will do it, but the results have been mixed.
As long as you are aware of the issues and what you might need to do, go for it. Although for use as a video player, I would recommend an extended battery, the screen time on a standard battery is >2 hours. :/
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Excellent points. Yeah, I had a S3 on PP for a while and it was a pain - actually CDMA overall is a pain to me so I probably won't do it. Per your advice - looking for an extended battery right now!