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New Hero owner here... using it 3 weeks. LOVE the phone, love the 7 pages, love the widgets, love the screen, love SenseUI, HATE the capacitive screen.
Coming form windows mobile for past 5 years, i am expending at least 5x more time and energy to navigate or browse due to this "feature".
I am certain this has been hashed out here before, but I will settle for a short answer, even one that has a laundry list if you like.
All I ask is that you please tell me it has something to add other than MULTI-TOUCH. I could care less about pinch-zoom. Initially when seen on first i-phones it had a wow factor. But very soon on WM, with OperaMini, Netfront, Skyfire, Iris and other browsers, pinch-to-zoom was rendered irrelevant, as all of these browsers provided way more efficient way to zoom in, out, and frame the area of the screen you want to look at. One tap, or two taps, or grab a square positioner (netfront) and tap.
Regardless of marketing, not only were these solutions fantastic, I alos didn't feel any sense of loss.
Now that I HAVE multi-touch on Hero, it's way beyond "yawn". It's more like, "what in the world is the advantage here. all I see is that a capacitive screen is far inferior to a resistive screen for easily 25 reasons. I listed them elsewhere on an XDA "general" forum. Typing: worse. accurate hitting a target: worse, but not just worse, horrible. Tap-hold context menus, require twice as long to press in order to instruct the OS you're indeed pressing for the purpose of holding, vs pressing just to try to make contact. Takes twice the tap impact to activate GO and other action buttons.
So I am dying to hear what is the advantage I have been given on this fantastic $500 USD phone I bought?
2nd question: I am currently using the device straight out the box, with just maybe 25-50 aps or widgets form android marketplace -- which has been fantastically smooth user experience, with perfect degrees of feedback on what access each app will give to the phone etc... very reassuring.
Has the truly amazing world of XDA-devs made some of my major usability complaints above go away, or lessen (after rooting the phone and using a custom ROM)?
Sign me: Baffled and Dismayed in San Francisco
Are there no replies here because this has been previously beaten to death? If so, wold someone please point me to the best thread discussion on this subject matter?
Thank you.
personally, i love a capacitive screen for typing.. as long as you can hit the buttons. For me i have no problem in the horizontal view, but they shouldnt have used a "qwerty" keyboard in the horizontal view, i despise it aha.
for the browsers multi touch, personally i just think its kinda cool, but as you say not very productive.
so really to me, i just love the feeling of capacitive touch screens...when they work of course!
and i know that companies "try" to put capacitive screens on as much as possible (because the iphone and ipod touch are so popular) but you can only really have it on bigger screens. The hero has pretty much the "bare minimum" screen size, and thats why we have some problems!
sorry i didnt really answer your question, just my thoughts but i guess the advantage is (was ment to be) that iphone touch screen experience, but capacitive screens work much better when the buttons have space between them (on bigger screens!)
THis was very helpful thank you. I know what you mean that the glassy smoothness is elegant and competes, I guess, with the look & feel of the Apple handheld devices. But also you seem to be answering my question, which is really the essentiual thing wanted to know:
Apparently there is ZERO added-value that capacitive brings over resistive screen than pinch-zoom... and that glossy glass feeling.
Is this correct, though? Can it really be that the primary reason for running Android on a capacitive screen is its sexiness factor in comparing to glossy look of the iphone?
I know there MUST be threads galore at XDA regarding the value of stylus for rapid composing, and more rapidly scrolling thru a long list on contacts, going into something like 2x or 5x speed flashing through the letters of the alphabet, then slowing down to land on desired contact...
The HTC Leo thread addressed this quite a bit, with both groans and raves for that WM device...
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personally, i love a capacitive screen for typing.. as long as you can hit the buttons. For me i have no problem in the horizontal view, but they shouldnt have used a "qwerty" keyboard in the horizontal view, i despise it aha.
for the browsers multi touch, personally i just think its kinda cool, but as you say not very productive.
so really to me, i just love the feeling of capacitive touch screens...when they work of course!
and i know that companies "try" to put capacitive screens on as much as possible (because the iphone and ipod touch are so popular) but you can only really have it on bigger screens. The hero has pretty much the "bare minimum" screen size, and thats why we have some problems!
sorry i didnt really answer your question, just my thoughts but i guess the advantage is (was ment to be) that iphone touch screen experience, but capacitive screens work much better when the buttons have space between them (on bigger screens!)
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well i used apple as more of an example but i dont think i was very clear before sorry!
Although the screen is glossy and well glass, but i ment that alot of people like having that "touch" not "tap" feel. like how with capacitive you can barely touch the screen and it responds whereas resistive you have to push on the screen. so this makes companies want to use capacitive so there putting it on alot of the bigger touch screen phones
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Coming form windows mobile for past 5 years, i am expending at least 5x more time and energy to navigate or browse due to this "feature"
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well here is your problem. and I know exactly how you feel, having some PDA and SE P1 also with resistive touch. you'll have to get used to it, there is no other way. it looks similar, like, it's a touchscreen! but difference in technology makes it hard to shift your way of using it
same thing as forgetting clickable keyboards where you can feel edge of each key and you KNOW exactly what you have pressed... and believe me, when you get that feeling with almost microscopic P1 keyboard, first few weeks of brand new high tech on-screen typing makes you smash that phone into wall next to you... but it gets better with time
This is the correct answer. Most people prefer the touch feel of capacitive compared to the press needed for resistive screens.
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well i used apple as more of an example but i dont think i was very clear before sorry!
Although the screen is glossy and well glass, but i ment that alot of people like having that "touch" not "tap" feel. like how with capacitive you can barely touch the screen and it responds whereas resistive you have to push on the screen. so this makes companies want to use capacitive so there putting it on alot of the bigger touch screen phones
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I moved from an Omnia i900 (WM, resistive screen) to the HTC Hero (Android, capacitive screen) and I am really enjoying the sensitivity of the Hero's screen. Everything is activated with a feather-light touch which really adds to the experience of using a touchscreen device.
On the Omnia, when I tried to halt a scrolling list with my finger, more often than not, I would end up choosing an item instead of stopping the scolling. This got irritating enough that I ended up using the scroll bars most of the time. On the Hero, the scrolling list amazingly stops when my finger makes contact without any unintended item selection. This probably has to do with the sensitivity of the capacitive screen but whatever it is, it works brilliantly.
The only time when I miss the resistive screen is if I need to accurately touch points on the screen due to poorly designed software but this can generally be avoided. Copy and paste could potentially have been a pain with a capacitive screen but the Hero has a trackball which gets the job done quite well.
I agree that multi-touch is nice to have but not critical. It is the sensitivity of the capacitive screen that really makes my day !
IMHO the capacitive screen is one of the best parts of my Hero (the other is not having to use clunky Windows Mobile anymore). It makes it so much more user friendly - and that attribute is what has made the iphone the best seller it is.
It is so much easier to scroll through my emails, texts, contacts, apps etc without accidently clicking on one and opening. And the same applies when scrolling between screens. In my last phone (HTC Touch Diamond) I was forever opening apps and windows I did not mean to when trying to scroll up down or sideways.
And scrolling long lists (I have over 200 contacts) is so easy. Just flick and let it run and then stop it with a finger. Try that on a non-capacitive screen and you are likely to open something you did not mean to open.
And, admittedly after a bit of practice, I have found the QERTY keyboard is no problem at all. It is almost as easy to use with my finger as my TD was with a stylus. And it is even easier when you are in landscape mode.
Still, each to his/her own. If, after giving it some time to get used to, you still don't like it I am sure there are plenty of alternatives out there - it always amazes me the number of different high-end phones HTC makes.
Resistive touch screen: You have to press harder to make it work better (Rinzai school)
Capacitive touch screen: You have to touch lighter to make it work better (Soto school)
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Resistive touch screen: You have to press harder to make it work better (Rinzai school)
Capacitive touch screen: You have to touch lighter to make it work better (Soto school)
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Well somehow you faked me out with your zen-like branch differentiations. I clicked on Soto school first --- and I thought, therefore, that when I clicked on Rinzai, it would communicate more aggressive, harder. But it didn't!
Thus, i don't understand your analogy other than making it up in my head, with the meaning being:
Expend less energy and force, grasshopper, and all will be revealed.
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Since the day of my posting this topic, I am starting to feel a shift by gentler tapping. In some cases, yes, I am seeing a difference in better responsiveness.
But I have to admit that this is not always the case. Leading to:
Dac0908:
well here is your problem. and I know exactly how you feel, having some PDA and SE P1 also with resistive touch. you'll have to get used to it, there is no other way.
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I am starting to get it. Quick illustration: My sim card (my old one from t-mobile wing) happens to be going bad, I just discovered. So I had to swap it out from my HERO back to my WING just to see if I could make a phone call. I had not used the WING (resistive) for a while.
I immediately started making mistakes in the opposite direction. I wasn't pushing hard enough now, and was not activating my selection. So, young grasshopper may be getting the Zen of Capacitive Touch!
it looks similar, like, it's a touchscreen! but difference in technology makes it hard to shift your way of using it. same thing as forgetting clickable keyboards where you can feel edge of each key and you KNOW exactly what you have pressed... and believe me, when you get that feeling with almost microscopic P1 keyboard, first few weeks of brand new high tech on-screen typing makes you smash that phone into wall next to you... but it gets better with time
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I get your point exactly... So, sounds like the people in this forum who have had their HEROs for longer time... must think I am just whining! ha hah
Here are my conclusions thus far:
(a) lighter touch IS helping select more easily.
(b) I began to do as others have said on the soft keyboard-- aim your finger just a nudge above the keys. (because the point of tangency between finger and screen is quite a bit below the tip of the fingernail) (** me thinks they should provide a settings option called "Offset finger touch?" -- and I could select that to in fact shift all the target zones of the on-screen keys slightly below the way they display on-screen, thereby improving accuracy dramatically.)
(c) even with "getting used to" adjustments, the accuracy on the portrait-layout keyboard is still lower on those left edge and right edge keys... And thus I am finding that landscape keyboard is almost becoming required for me (and i have thin fingers!)
(d) On the WM resistive screen, I found that, when using handwriting via stylus, the system really did LEARN to compensate for the style of handwriting of an individual by going thru the alphabet to select the path of drawing each letter that best matches how I write... it absolutely improved handwriting recognition) (AND MAY AS WELL SAY: I miss that the most of all things: I loved being able to jot notes down with stylus and handwriting. I used that daily... SO I miss it)
Similarly, there is an OFFSET ANGLE adjustment on the WM input screen controls, which absolutely made a huge difference: I the natural positioning of a hand and fingers in resting mode on a flat object (a screen) has one's index finger aiming on an angle inward. Thus, the angle adjustment was a smart user interface setting, that I would guess WM came up with over time, as better recognition of this issue surfaced.
(e) I can't expect to use my capacitive screen phone in the lazy ways I used my WM phone with resistive: ie, laying down in bed and tapping out a message to send. When I try to do that with Hero, the angles of finger-contact with the screen are "off" from a standing or sitting alignment of where you hold the device and how you strike the keys. Trying to tap out a note using portrait mode, while laying in bed, and holding phone to its side (or any other awkward position) = probably 10% success rate of hitting the correct keys... Mostly due to that distance-factor between the tip of the finger -- the sight-targeting cross-hairs used for decades in pressing most things that need pressing -- and the underside of the finger, which makes the contact point lower than the tip by a somewhat predictable distance.
I still think there are some ways to go where various compensation settings could nail those issues and bring touch accuracy to much higher percentage, especially in those situations of at what angle you're holding the device in one hand, and tapping with the other hand, is "off", like laying in bed.
(f) Accelerometer: again, when laying in bed (lazy mode), the auto portrait-landscape shifting almost never occurs and i have to hold the phone parallel to the ground and flick it in order to get the layout adjustment, then continue at whatever angle it is I am holding the phone.
(g) WISHLIST #2: (after handwriting/ capacitive stylus is brought to market by HTC, etc) .. is: COntext-sensitive accelerometer.. such that it works in almost any hand-held 3d location, and a 90 degree shift = a shift layout command.
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Okay, these are my responses from a Human Factors Interface Design professional background.
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Maybe I will have to talk to "Charles", the guy in my nieghborhood in San Francisco, who just happens to be the designer of the original G1 for Google, both in form factor and user interface of android...
San Francisco can be pretty interesting in that way.. you never know who you'll bump into, just like in L.A. with movie stars!
kenkaw said:
I am really enjoying the sensitivity of the Hero's screen. Everything is activated with a feather-light touch which really adds to the experience of using a touchscreen device....On the Hero, the scrolling list amazingly stops when my finger makes contact without any unintended item selection. This probably has to do with the sensitivity of the capacitive screen but whatever it is, it works brilliantly.
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I am starting to feel this now, too. So I am shifting mental gears in my head.
Copy and paste could potentially have been a pain with a capacitive screen but the Hero has a trackball which gets the job done quite well.
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This is actually where I have the most problems.... way more than touching the screen, which I am becoming accustomed to, and now seeing what p[eople are saying about feathertouch responsiveness.
I have not been able to find any settings for trackball responsiveness, the kind you'd find on any laptop for the touchpad or mouse rate of movement -- from super fast to super slow. IS there such an adjustment?
I want to love the trackball, and I am getting better at it. But to me, this is almost just the opposite of featherweight touch on screen. My finger "wants" a more "sticky" or locked-on connection to the trackball, so i can control it better with micro-movements. For me, right now, it is so slippery as to super-slide way out of range, and shifting fields on form data entry, and , when I am using it on a slider bar such as for volume control or color mixing (chnaging color of a background), it's sensitivity is way too wild for even a light touch attempt to control it
QUESTION: I am not yet using any rooted rom from XDA... I am still experiencing the Hero out of the box. So, are there any added control settings that people at XDA have figured out and added to the custom ROMS?
thank you
I agree that multi-touch is nice to have but not critical. It is the sensitivity of the capacitive screen that really makes my day ![/QUOTE]
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And scrolling long lists (I have over 200 contacts) is so easy. Just flick and let it run and then stop it with a finger.
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I a starting to feel this now. I was flicking too hard initially -- as part of my learning curve. I am now getting the hang of it and am getting the kind of control you speak of. nice!
it always amazes me the number of different high-end phones HTC makes.
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No ****. what an amazing company... and why I like how XDA-developers built up around HTC... This is a serious question: Is HTC a good stock buy? They seem like moreso than ever, with their new branding and direct-to-consumer marketing campaigns (at least in the USA, big time), ready to leap out as a huge brand in the way Samsung shot up from obscurity many years ago, into a top-5 leading brand of electrionics.
I've tried 4 different Capacitive Screen styluses on my Tablet S, with no screen protector, and it requires me to push much harder than on any other tablet or screen I've tried it on.
Can anyone test this out on their Tablet S for me?
Is this normal? Or is this just a defect in the one I got? Give it a try and let me know please.
Ive never tried a stylus on any other tablet than the Sony one I own so I didn't know it was just an issue on this one but yes, the performance of the stylus is horrible.
The stylus didn't work very well for me either. The Nook color I have also didn't work very well. Pretty sure the capacitive touchscreens work differently between iOS and android so this may just be a "designed for ipad" kind of issue.
The problem I have is that I used it on the Xoom and ALL the other tablets they had over at Best Buy on display, and they worked flawlessly. Some of then better than it did on the iPads on display :-( damn it SONY, I think it's just a screen sensitivity thing... if anyone figures out how to increase this, let me know.
Why do you need a stylus anyway? If you really do need a stylus, you should have gotten a tablet that supports an active stylus by either Wacom or N-Trig for actual precision, and quality when writing. I know at least the HTC Flyer and one of the Lenovo tablets support this.
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I've tried 4 different Capacitive Screen styluses on my Tablet S, with no screen protector, and it requires me to push much harder than on any other tablet or screen I've tried it on.
Can anyone test this out on their Tablet S for me?
Is this normal? Or is this just a defect in the one I got? Give it a try and let me know please.
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Hi,
A friend of mine recommended the Griffin Stylus, although he has an iPad2 he said that after trial and error with several brands, this one was near perfect.
I'm also looking into this, so that I can use the tablet as a notepad for classes - I have the apps installed already, all I have to do now is find the proper stylus.
Dunno if you guys didnt realize that there is a factory installed screen protector over the glass ( yes glass, mineral glass in fact). thats causing sensitivity issues.
If you read the manual it will tell you NOT to use a stylus. The Tablet S is not meant for anything other than your finger tip.
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If you read the manual it will tell you NOT to use a stylus. The Tablet S is not meant for anything other than your finger tip.
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Not according to the link below
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/st...10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666381663
I searched all the leaflets and booklets that came with the tablet and could not find any evidence supporting your claim, I also went online to the Sony Forums and nothing about Stylus Pen issues - but it's still possible, as stated, that due to design/build characteristics, stylus pens work badly with the tablet.
So far, according even to my friend's experience on the iPad and the information at the Sony Store, I'm still hoping that maybe the Sony Tablet is just picky when it comes to Stylus Pens and we just have to do our homework before buying one.
I hope that's the case, as I'm planning on using this device for classes and so far, software-wise I'm all set, so all I need now is a suitable stylus pen to write with.
I'll let you know how it goes, but please if anyone else has any successful results on this, please share as well.
Hi, Maybe I am "mis-remembering" it. I believe if you click on the Sony Help Icon it will take you to a website with various tips and information. In there it will tell you not to use anything on the screen except for your finger tips. I should confirm this for you but I am tired and lazy. Anyways, I don't see the point in using a stylus with this tablet. To me, this is the kind of tablet you leave beside the couch or your bed. In my opinion it's not a travel / work tablet.
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Hi, Maybe I am "mis-remembering" it. I believe if you click on the Sony Help Icon it will take you to a website with various tips and information. In there it will tell you not to use anything on the screen except for your finger tips. I should confirm this for you but I am tired and lazy. Anyways, I don't see the point in using a stylus with this tablet. To me, this is the kind of tablet you leave beside the couch or your bed. In my opinion it's not a travel / work tablet.
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Couldn't disagree more, this tablet keeps surprising me, in a positive way.
Work is always relative, travel is just not so as this seems more and more as THE partner to have, but opinions come and go, of course.
As for facts, check the image below - and hopefully the stylus drama dies here.
Griffin stylus pen, GC16040 - 4.3" length, in an orange box.
I'm still to put the screen protector, will report back as it is done.
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Couldn't disagree more, this tablet keeps surprising me, in a positive way.
Work is always relative, travel is just not so as this seems more and more as THE partner to have, but opinions come and go, of course.
As for facts, check the image below - and hopefully the stylus drama dies here.
Griffin stylus pen, GC16040 - 4.3" length, in an orange box.
I'm still to put the screen protector, will report back as it is done.
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I picked up the Griffin stylus GC16040 and it isn't working well with mine with the Sony screen protector on. I still had to give in a good amount of pressure for it to work.
Has anyone tried the stylus sold on the Sony store website?
I'm going to assume it'll work because Sony is selling it, and it says specifically that it is for Sony tablets. I'm going to place an order to try it out.
Yh
Evo 4G63 said:
I picked up the Griffin stylus GC16040 and it isn't working well with mine with the Sony screen protector on. I still had to give in a good amount of pressure for it to work.
Has anyone tried the stylus sold on the Sony store website?
I'm going to assume it'll work because Sony is selling it, and it says specifically that it is for Sony tablets. I'm going to place an order to try it out.
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I got my screen protector from amazon today - not the official sony one, and another set of stylus pens - Groov-e, GV-CP2
Both stylus packs work ok, but with screen protector I do have to apply some little pressure, but I have to say that for me, it's basically the same as when writing with normal pen and paper...
I do notice a slightly more diffuse image due to the protector, and the griffin stylus is alot softer to use than the Groov-e ones.
Both work ok, but the Groov-e just seemed slightly rougher, when typing I get a subtle scraping sound...
I also noticed that not all apps behave the same with this, personally I liked genie writing best, whereas hand writing HD didn't feel so precise in capturing my strokes.
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Yh
I got my screen protector from amazon today - not the official sony one, and another set of stylus pens - Groov-e, GV-CP2
Both stylus packs work ok, but with screen protector I do have to apply some little pressure, but I have to say that for me, it's basically the same as when writing with normal pen and paper...
I do notice a slightly more diffuse image due to the protector, and the griffin stylus is alot softer to use than the Groov-e ones.
Both work ok, but the Groov-e just seemed slightly rougher, when typing I get a subtle scraping sound...
I also noticed that not all apps behave the same with this, personally I liked genie writing best, whereas hand writing HD didn't feel so precise in capturing my strokes.
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Which screen protector did you get exactly?
Drawing in supernote is the same with your finger or stylus, not great. It misses some inputs when drawing. I'm sure with future updates it will get better. I'm using a targus stylus.
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Stylus on Sony Tablet S
I bought these TOUCH SCREEN STYLUS FOR Huawei IDEOS S7 Slim Tablet
on ebay and tested them on my Sony Tablet S and Galaxy S phone.
It works 100x better on my galaxy s phone than on the sony tablet.
They do work on the sony but the sensitivity isn't there, a fair amount of pressure is needed in order for it to respond.
I'm also interested to see if anyone else gets a better result with the targus stylus that sony sells.
I created a short video to show the problem. Go to youtube and search for AntMoore23, go on my channel and watch.
I think for the Sony it has a special resin that allows the screen to have a better black response. I think maybe that's the reason why the stylus response is bad. Just something to keep in mind.
I use a griffin stylus (GC17125) with sketchbook pro every day and it work just fine.
I also tried to build my own stylus with a sponge and some other crap (try a search on youtube) but without success.
did anyone try using the Stylus used in the video here, they call it a Wacom Active Digitizer
http://youtu.be/oty4ukjSIjg
The active digitizer is not the stylus, it's part of the screen technology inside the tablet, similar to the Galaxy Note.
I am an artist, who loved sketching on his ipad, but had to sell that one cuz of its restrictions being apple ..
Now I have an Galaxy tab 10.1 gt 7500 ..
But I seem to get those ugly wavy lines when ever I try to draw diagonal lines
The slower I draw the more wavy they become.
But if I draw it in a quick gesture, it does not show any problems
Have put up a screen grab of me drawing straight lines in Sketchbook Pro
( this problem happens even in other Drawing Apps )
Please do help
Cheers
I checked on mine (in sketchbook) and it works fine. I'd guess there's something wrong with the touchscreen. If it's new, I'd go exchange it, or get warranty service.
I, too have used this app and don't notice wavy lines like that, unless I want wavy ones. I usually use a tablet stylus or brush instead of my finger.
same problems
got a new replacement , yet the problem persists. Drawing with a capacitive stylus too does not give accurate results
Also when taking notes, a lot of words and letters get skipped and the letters dont come out fully
Any of you guys actually use this for note taking ?
Is there any solution ,workaround for this digitiser inaccuracy ?
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got a new replacement , yet the problem persists. Drawing with a capacitive stylus too does not give accurate results
Also when taking notes, a lot of words and letters get skipped and the letters dont come out fully
Any of you guys actually use this for note taking ?
Is there any solution ,workaround for this digitiser inaccuracy ?
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There's a thread in the apps and theming section that has a list of compatible widgets and apps that work on our tabs. Look for SuperNote. It's perfect for taking notes. For your drawing problems, maybe it's the type of stylus you are using. I have one from Samsung with a rubber tip that works great. I also use a nomad brush for more realistic brush strokes and feel that works great.
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There's a thread in the apps and theming section that has a list of compatible widgets and apps that work on our tabs. Look for SuperNote. It's perfect for taking notes. For your drawing problems, maybe it's the type of stylus you are using. I have one from Samsung with a rubber tip that works great. I also use a nomad brush for more realistic brush strokes and feel that works great.
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The super note app is great !
Its got a faster response time ,
Though is it possible for you to just post a screenshot of you drawing diagonals or circles slowly using a stylus , just want too see if the batch of tablets in the store are having problems
Ok, I've got exactly the same problem!
I guess most ppl won't notice this until they try to actually draw something.
Any luck finding solution?
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arizal
Ok, I tested the stylus on friend's htc desire - same thing. Using finger does not produce waves, at least not that big.
Looks like the problem is related to the contact spot size, small spot - problem.
I guess the problem is the interpolation between the sensors.
I dont know if anything can be done here... But if someone has an idea, please share it!
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Arizal
I find it kind of difficult to write with the pen, because I want to rest my hand on the tablet like a sheet of paper which then opens the virtual keyboard. My old Gateway convertible tablet, which only had pen function, no touch, was nicer (IMO) for writing because when writing, I COULD rest my hand on the screen like paper.
I would like to see a funciton that when the pen is in use (Like when the pen menu is open in the corner) the touch commands turn non-functional.
This would, in my opinion, boost the use of the pen majorly.
Does anyone else find this problem?
Also, I'm a lefty.
so right...
using both hand and pen has its pro's but i agree with you - i wish i could make the jetstream only "feel" the pen in certain situations.
personaly, i'm using a piece of clotch on the corner of the Jetstream to cover the problematic area. its a poor thing to do, but it gets me by...
maybe someday, if we'll live to see ICS on the Jetstream things will be better.
it would be great if there was a button you could press to briefly switch off the capacitative touch screen, leaving only the N-trig input. if this could be automated, then even better!
I posted on the HTC website too, hopefully they will pick it up.
I think the best note taking software right now is Quill for our tablet which recognize the n-trig and knows to ignore my hand.
If we had the support and interest in the device here in the xda community (which i don't think we do), once root is achieved, then turning off the capacitative touch while the pen menu is out could be possible... right?
Easy fix, I would think.
The solution to your issue is to use Tasker to switch the keyboard from HTC touch input to null keyboard on apps which you use the pen on.
Creds to posters on the HTC Flyer forum who had the same issue.
the issue is not just with the keyboard panel. it's with the date/notification bar the pops up every now and then..
Thanks for the info on Tasker and Null Keyboard. This works great, although Quill will likely remain my go-to app for taking longer notes.
I have to push way too hard in the Quill app to get pen strokes to appear... Thats the only negative to me. There needs to be a sensitivity option.
typhoonikan said:
I have to push way too hard in the Quill app to get pen strokes to appear... Thats the only negative to me. There needs to be a sensitivity option.
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Totally difference for me, I think it's really sensitive... Or it could just be the pen. Sometimes my pen acts really wonky like constantly giving out input signal even when I am not touching the screen.
New solution for this:
using app like "no system bar"
does the trick, now the root is available
anyone know if the galaxy note stylus would work on the amaze? or just another phone in general? or do you think its somehow "programmed" or made to work just with the note. was looking at stylus and every one of them are huge lol, like incipios and others. I think it would be cool to use it for some apps.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe phones/displays that use a stylus utilize a different kind of display, and the note I believe is like dou hybrid or something.
I am pretty sure a stylus will be useless on the amaze...unless the tip was heated? lol
I think stylus screens are based on pressure sensors in the display and the more common ones we use the sensors in the display are heat based...or something.
freakboy13 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe phones/displays that use a stylus utilize a different kind of display, and the note I believe is like dou hybrid or something.
I am pretty sure a stylus will be useless on the amaze...unless the tip was heated? lol
I think stylus screens are based on pressure sensors in the display and the more common ones we use the sensors in the display are heat based...or something.
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no, they make capacitive display stylus. look at the new galaxy tab, regular capacitive screen, with a stylus included. also look at the htc flyer, it has a stylus as well. its a special material they use on the tip. I actually have a pair of gloves that have the material that I can use in the winter with a capacitive screen. they just operate different. resistive stylus are used with pressure, and capacitive have a special material at the end that some how activates the screen as your finger would.
http://www.incipio.com/HTC-Amaze-4G-Cases-Accessories/HTC-Amaze-4G-Cases-Accessories.asp go here and youll see some capacitive stylus that are compatible with our phones but they are huge lol. that's why im interested in the notes stylus since its small. I think some apps would be fun with it, like sketchbook, etc.
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBpo7USR8I8 this is how it works
What's likely is that the stylus from these devices might work for detecting single touch events - but would not be pressure sensitive, as the phone doesn't have the special digitizer material to create the field that allows passive pressure sensitive pens (ie, look at wacom) to work. So, in other words, why bother?
Accophox said:
What's likely is that the stylus from these devices might work for detecting single touch events - but would not be pressure sensitive, as the phone doesn't have the special digitizer material to create the field that allows passive pressure sensitive pens (ie, look at wacom) to work. So, in other words, why bother?
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try drawing a image or words or anything in general with the sketchbook and then you tell me. some other apps would be more fun/interesting with a stylus imo. also with grease and what not, when texting its okay or just swiping around but when using apps like angry birds it would be more fun to use a stylus I think.
Capacitive stylus vs. Active Digitizer
stratax said:
no, they make capacitive display stylus. look at the new galaxy tab, regular capacitive screen, with a stylus included. also look at the htc flyer, it has a stylus as well. its a special material they use on the tip. I actually have a pair of gloves that have the material that I can use in the winter with a capacitive screen. they just operate different. resistive stylus are used with pressure, and capacitive have a special material at the end that some how activates the screen as your finger would.
(link) go here and youll see some capacitive stylus that are compatible with our phones but they are huge lol. that's why im interested in the notes stylus since its small. I think some apps would be fun with it, like sketchbook, etc.
edit: (link) this is how it works
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This is not right. The galaxy note (and "new galaxy tab"/Galaxy note 10.1) uses an active digitizer similar to what you find in Wacom tablets and old school tablet pcs. The HTC Flyer and Jetstream uses a similar pen (but from a different maker HTC=Ntrig Samsung=Wacom). None of these styluses will work on another device, exept, maybe some windows 7 tablet pcs.
So, no the note s-pen will not work on your Amaze. A capacitive stylus like pogo scketch or the link above, will work just fine on most phones today, but it is hardly any better than a finger. The s-pen, however gives you a lot more presicion. I can fit more handwritten text on a 5.3 note with the s-pen, than on the 9.7 ipad with a capacitive stylus.
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This is not right. The galaxy note (and "new galaxy tab"/Galaxy note 10.1) uses an active digitizer similar to what you find in Wacom tablets and old school tablet pcs. The HTC Flyer and Jetstream uses a similar pen (but from a different maker HTC=Ntrig Samsung=Wacom). None of these styluses will work on another device, exept, maybe some windows 7 tablet pcs.
So, no the note s-pen will not work on your Amaze. A capacitive stylus like pogo scketch or the link above, will work just fine on most phones today, but it is hardly any better than a finger. The s-pen, however gives you a lot more presicion. I can fit more handwritten text on a 5.3 note with the s-pen, than on the 9.7 ipad with a capacitive stylus.
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That is correct, you can immediately tell it is not a capactive stylus by trying to press the capacitive buttons and not getting a response.
Why not just got to Best Buy / ATT and try it out to be sure
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Why not just got to Best Buy / ATT and try it out to be sure
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look up a town called rolla in Missouri and you will see why lol. closest best buy is over a hour away
Vikingpus said:
This is not right. The galaxy note (and "new galaxy tab"/Galaxy note 10.1) uses an active digitizer similar to what you find in Wacom tablets and old school tablet pcs. The HTC Flyer and Jetstream uses a similar pen (but from a different maker HTC=Ntrig Samsung=Wacom). None of these styluses will work on another device, exept, maybe some windows 7 tablet pcs.
So, no the note s-pen will not work on your Amaze. A capacitive stylus like pogo scketch or the link above, will work just fine on most phones today, but it is hardly any better than a finger. The s-pen, however gives you a lot more presicion. I can fit more handwritten text on a 5.3 note with the s-pen, than on the 9.7 ipad with a capacitive stylus.
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what exactly does it use? that was my main question pretty much, if they would work or not cause I wasn't sure if they were like a regular capacitive stylus or just something custom made. the capacitive stylus are too big to even be called a stylus
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look up a town called rolla in Missouri and you will see why lol. closest best buy is over a hour away
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Dont need to look it up, Im an STL guy myself.
Road trip
Tell you what, I have a BB right next to my work, Ill try and run over there tomorrow and check it out
dude i saw one on cvs, it suppost to work with all touch phones it cost $10 bucks thats why i didnt buy it. but it would be nice to use to play "draw something''
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what exactly does it use? that was my main question pretty much, if they would work or not cause I wasn't sure if they were like a regular capacitive stylus or just something custom made. the capacitive stylus are too big to even be called a stylus
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I think it is called electromagnetic ressonance. When you press down the tip of the s-pen it generates a magnet field or something which is registered by the phone, or something like that. In the first s-pen i had, the tip got stuck, so it would register input even when not touching the screen.
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Wacom tablets use a patented electromagnetic resonance technology. Since the tablet provides power to the pen through resonant coupling, no battery or cord is required for the pointing device. As a result, there are no batteries inside the pen (or the accompanying puck), which makes them slimmer.
mikeschevelle said:
Dont need to look it up, Im an STL guy myself.
Road trip
Tell you what, I have a BB right next to my work, Ill try and run over there tomorrow and check it out
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haha nice!
gypsy214 said:
dude i saw one on cvs, it suppost to work with all touch phones it cost $10 bucks thats why i didnt buy it. but it would be nice to use to play "draw something''
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exactly, it would be fun to use with some apps but not everything lol. just like sketchbook or angry birds or draw me. since its hard as hell with your finger
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I think it is called electromagnetic ressonance. When you press down the tip of the s-pen it generates a magnet field or something which is registered by the phone, or something like that. In the first s-pen i had, the tip got stuck, so it would register input even when not touching the screen.
from wikipedia:
Wacom tablets use a patented electromagnetic resonance technology. Since the tablet provides power to the pen through resonant coupling, no battery or cord is required for the pointing device. As a result, there are no batteries inside the pen (or the accompanying puck), which makes them slimmer.
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well then wouldnt it work on all touch screens then? since all capacitive touch screens respond to static/heat, or does it give off a different type? im confused how samsung made the note lol, its interesting
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My Galaxy Note stylus doesn't work on Galaxy S2 or Galaxy Tab 7.7
Not even the input response. I figure they will work minus the pressure sensitivity but i was wrong. You need an active digitizer layer
ph00ny said:
My Galaxy Note stylus doesn't work on Galaxy S2 or Galaxy Tab 7.7
Not even the input response. I figure they will work minus the pressure sensitivity but i was wrong. You need an active digitizer layer
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so the note has a special layer made for the stylus? thats cool
stylus for the note didnt work on my amaze
mikeschevelle said:
stylus for the note didnt work on my amaze
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thats a shame, oh well the screen on this phone really isnt that big any ways. i could see using one on the one x or something. i think the new lg vu also has a custom stylus for it hmm