While this isn't a deal breaker as I get 4g about 90% of the time, it may be a bummer for other people. The galaxy s3 can do data and voice simultaneously while on 4g and 3g. I don't know why they did not include it on this phone. The gs4 only does simultaneous voice/data while on 4g. I download files all the time as well as ROMs and would hate for my download to be interrupted or broken if a call comes in. Just posting this to help anyone who has not yet purchased their s4 and has to have this feature... You have been warned!!
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While this isn't a deal breaker as I get 4g about 90% of the time, it may be a bummer for other people. The galaxy s3 can do data and voice simultaneously while on 4g and 3g. I don't know why they did not include it on this phone. The gs4 only does simultaneous voice/data while on 4g. I download files all the time as well as ROMs and would hate for my download to be interrupted or broken if a call comes in. Just posting this to help anyone who has not yet purchased their s4 and has to have this feature... You have been warned!!
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i remember no Verizon phone was able to get data while on a voice call prior to 4G LTE deployment. And I remember AT&T took that as a marketing advantage against Verizon.
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While this isn't a deal breaker as I get 4g about 90% of the time, it may be a bummer for other people. The galaxy s3 can do data and voice simultaneously while on 4g and 3g. I don't know why they did not include it on this phone. The gs4 only does simultaneous voice/data while on 4g. I download files all the time as well as ROMs and would hate for my download to be interrupted or broken if a call comes in. Just posting this to help anyone who has not yet purchased their s4 and has to have this feature... You have been warned!!
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3g, being CDMA for Verizon, is not capable of supporting simultaneous voice and data. The Verizon Galaxy SIII was not able to do it on 3g either. Hopefully it won't be a problem too much longer as Verizon moves away from crappy CDMA and covers the whole country in tasty LTE.
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3g, being CDMA for Verizon, is not capable of supporting simultaneous voice and data. The Verizon Galaxy SIII was not able to do it on 3g either. Hopefully it won't be a problem too much longer as Verizon moves away from crappy CDMA and covers the whole country in tasty LTE.
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^this! word!
yea, most areas already have 4G LTE compared to the other big 3 providers. I'm very happy with Verizon's LTE coverage.
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3g, being CDMA for Verizon, is not capable of supporting simultaneous voice and data. The Verizon Galaxy SIII was not able to do it on 3g either. Hopefully it won't be a problem too much longer as Verizon moves away from crappy CDMA and covers the whole country in tasty LTE.
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The GS3 IS capable of doing voice & data simultaneously over 3g CDMA. I've done it many times. For the first few months of owning the GS3 my area was 3g only and I would talk and surf simultaneously all the time.I wasn't able to do it on any of my previous phones.
Thankfully I have LTE now but the GS3 can do CDMA+Data
I'm not familiar with the GS3, but I know the Thunderbolt was capable of simultaneous voice & data in either 3G & LTE, but that was because it had multiple onboard radios. The major downsides with having multiple radios is that it raises cost and constantly draws power (even when off due to leakage current). They probably made a design decision to not include additional hardware for simultaneous connections because LTE has become prevalent (as well as WiFi) so this isn't a major issue for most folks.
It was my understanding (since I've been with verizon, and 3 phones so far) that CDMA is 1X (equivalent of Edge on GSM) and EVDO is 3G while 4G is LTE (which uses a GSM style signal if I'm not mistaken also).
Granted the only phone I was forced to use 3G on was the Thunderbolt (no 4G LTE yet) so I guess I can't compare, but this is interesting if it actually is true. I'll have to try it later... tether in 3G mode and call someone
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i remember no Verizon phone was able to get data while on a voice call prior to 4G LTE deployment. And I remember AT&T took that as a marketing advantage against Verizon.
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Thunderbolt, that was a huge "forum" selling point on VZW. I don't think they ever publically marketed that feature!
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Thunderbolt, that was a huge "forum" selling point on VZW. I don't think they ever publically marketed that feature!
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i dont think they did on commercials, but i do recall them advertising it some other places like radio or something else.
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3g, being CDMA for Verizon, is not capable of supporting simultaneous voice and data. The Verizon Galaxy SIII was not able to do it on 3g either. Hopefully it won't be a problem too much longer as Verizon moves away from crappy CDMA and covers the whole country in tasty LTE.
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That is patently false. You may want to read the white papers on the last couple of generations of Snapdragons as well as the FCC filings for some phones. The simple fact is that the Verizon Galaxy SIII is capable of SVDO, along with a handful of other phones such as the Incredible 4G, Rezound, and Thunderbolt.
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That is patently false. You may want to read the white papers on the last couple of generations of Snapdragons as well as the FCC filings for some phones. The simple fact is that the Verizon Galaxy SIII is capable of SVDO, along with a handful of other phones such as the Incredible 4G, Rezound, and Thunderbolt.
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I guess it's good to be set straight and educated. Thanks for lesson, Najaboy. I honestly did not know this.
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I guess it's good to be set straight and educated. Thanks for lesson, Najaboy. I honestly did not know this.
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Actually... thank you for not taking my post the wrong way. In hindsight, it could have been worded better so as to not have a condescending tone.
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Actually... thank you for not taking my post the wrong way. In hindsight, it could have been worded better so as to not have a condescending tone.
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Lol no worries.
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So does the S4 have ehrpd or not????
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So does the S4 have ehrpd or not????
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I think that all 4G Verizon phones do. More interesting to me is whether the S4 has SVDO like the S3.
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My HTC Rezound was able to do data and voice over 3g as well. I'm a little underwhelmed and overwhelmed at the same time with the S4. I like it, but there are some things I liked better with HTC.
SVDO on Verizon was never simultaneous over 3G itself, but data over 3G, and voice over 1X. eHRPD has nothing to do with SVDO as it's just the communication network used to hand off 1X to 4G. Apparently the Sprint GS4 can't do SVDO either, so it seems to either be a limitation of the new radio in the Snapdragon 600, or Samsung chose to not add in support this round.
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SVDO on Verizon was never simultaneous over 3G itself, but data over 3G, and voice over 1X. eHRPD has nothing to do with SVDO as it's just the communication network used to hand off 1X to 4G. Apparently the Sprint GS4 can't do SVDO either, so it seems to either be a limitation of the new radio in the Snapdragon 600, or Samsung chose to not add in support this round.
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You're a little confused on what eHRPD does, but in essence, the rest is correct.
Alright, so it is pretty much certain that 3G and voice are not simultaneous on the S4?
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While this isn't a deal breaker as I get 4g about 90% of the time, it may be a bummer for other people. The galaxy s3 can do data and voice simultaneously while on 4g and 3g. I don't know why they did not include it on this phone. The gs4 only does simultaneous voice/data while on 4g. I download files all the time as well as ROMs and would hate for my download to be interrupted or broken if a call comes in. Just posting this to help anyone who has not yet purchased their s4 and has to have this feature... You have been warned!!
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Since Verizon now covers 497 markets and 95% of their 3G footprint is also LTE, this warning will only affect 5% of Verizon customers. Glad i'm not one of them. Sorry for those of you who still live in the Boonies....well not even just the Boonies since Verizon is often in the Boonies. You guys must live in the BOONY of Boonies! :laugh:
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So I was thinking about the tbolt, and realized something that I believe is interesting:
It's pretty common knowledge that Verizon CDMA does not currently support simultaneous voice/data, a huge grievance for many a verizon iPhone owner. The Thunderbolt is touted to be the first device that can handle this function and will do so by handling voice over the CDMA network and data over the LTE network. Makes sense, sounds good and all right? BUT....I was thinking about coverage of LTE and how it's pretty scarce for now and was wondering what would happen if you were not in an LTE area and using the Tbolt? Wouldn't the absence of the LTE network effectively stifle your ability to use data while on the phone?
Does anyone have any info on this or remember reading anything about it? It seems to me that it is entirely possible that the Tbolt will have the same limitations over simultaneous voice/data as the iPhone and other smartphones as long as the user is in a non-4G/LTE area. I am lucky enough to live in a 4G/LTE area so this wouldn't be a huge factor I guess but some people were really looking forward to having that capability.
Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
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Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
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very cool, i was not aware of that. thanks! that does suck about the battery though.....
did you have a source for the dual radio information?
need bb said:
Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
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Your post makes no sense bud. The phone has the following specs:
CDMA 1X/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
CDMA LTE - 700MHz
Rev A Capable
The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
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The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
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if that second option were true, wouldn't that mean that every phone currently running on 3G (iphones and droids alike) would all gain the ability to run simultaneous data and voice? that sounds very nice indeed.
i don't have any sources but i believe i remember reading that the nature of CDMA and how it connects prohibits simultaneous voice/data as opposed to however GSM operates. sorry for such broad information but i'm not exactly a wireless carrier expert. if what you said is true though and they found some way to upgrade it, that would be awesome for all those on verizon 3G.
my skeptical side though is saying that verizon is no saint and would just respond that simultaneous voice/data is a feature specifically for 4G service and if you aren't in a 4G area tough break and wait for 4G/LTE to roll out near you.
Actually VZW recently did a software upgrade for their infrastructure to allow simultaneous voice and data over EVDO Rev A and the Thunderbolt is their first handset with the radio capable of supporting it. From what I've read it's a hardware thing so they can't update firmware in other phones like the iPhone to support it. I can't link to any articles from the XDA App but read any of the major Android blogs as they've been reporting about it for the past couple days or do a Google search for SVDO.
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OK, hopped on a computer so here you go:
http://thecellphonejunkie.com/2011/...olt-will-have-simultaneous-3g-voice-and-data/
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2861/64/
BAAMM! lol
That is the rumor Verizon is not using 1X advanced, so the only way that simultaneous voice and data works if you have two radios which are capable of transmitting at the same time. This is why only select 4G phones support SVDO.
As I said earlier, SVDO will work in both 4G and 3G areas because of the dual radios on-board.
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That is the rumor Verizon is not using 1X advanced, so the only way that simultaneous voice and data works if you have two radios which are capable of transmitting at the same time. This is why only select 4G phones support SVDO.
As I said earlier, SVDO will work in both 4G and 3G areas because of the dual radios on-board.
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The Thunderbolt have SVDO support, because it's using a SVDO capable chipset. Dual radios doesn't have anything to do with it, but only with CDMA/ 4G LTE handoffs, which is similar to Sprint's 4G phones. SVDO works on a 1X and 1X Advanced capable device, so didn't need to switch to 1X Advanced in order for it to work, though they have been some 1X advanced codecs for a while. Verizon wanted this including in their iPhone 4 phones so bad, but it just wasn't ready.
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OK, hopped on a computer so here you go:
http://thecellphonejunkie.com/2011/...olt-will-have-simultaneous-3g-voice-and-data/
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2861/64/
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Good info, thanks.
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No problem! I'm just sharing what I've been reading but it's entirely possible that "need bb" knows something that I don't...
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Ok, so I was interested in checking out the LTE speeds and wanted to test out the ability to do SVDO. I went to my local Verizon store and realized that My area doesn't have 4G yet. Duh! lol. And when inspecting the phone itself I could not find a way to turn on or any mention of LTE in any way anywhere on the phone! Hmmmm. So then I tried to test SVDO. I called one t-bolt with the other display t-bolt and then tried to surf. Newp. no can do. The call went thru so Its all setup but maybe it had no sim card?? I didn't check. Maybe my area doesn't have SVDO yet either? Can anyone now confirm simultaneous voice and data??? Now that people have got the phone in their hands now.
I am not in a 4G area and I can confirm the phone does voice and data simultaneously, very well, I might add
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I am not in a 4G area and I can confirm the phone does voice and data simultaneously, very well, I might add
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Hmmmm, I wonder what I was doing wrong??
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Hmmmm, I wonder what I was doing wrong??
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You know my verizon rep said a funny thing today when I asked him about the voice/data at the same time on 3G...he actually said "we don't guarantee that will work yet and that the network is still being worked on in some places to enable this feature for certain devices like the Thunderbolt" I had already tried it on the demo TB so I wasn't worried but maybe that's why it's not working for you.
I can also confirm that in a non 4g area it does both voice and data at the same time... nice feature I didn't expect.
Hmm, yeah I guess as usual my area is slow at upgrading the network. Man, if Verizon would pay my etf on Sprint I would be all over that thing.
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Your post makes no sense bud. The phone has the following specs:
CDMA 1X/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
CDMA LTE - 700MHz
Rev A Capable
The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
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I work for verizon and you are right they have changed on the network side making simultanious voice and data through both 4G and 3G and it was done on the network not on the phone itself. Now I don't know if this was the reason for the month and a half delay or not but makes sense. From what I heard from my friend in the testing department it had to do with battery.
I don't know about you guys but I really love the fact that all the naysayers that simultaneous voice and data is impossible can finally shut up. LOL
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I've been with Sprint for 12 years and it has always been that you couldn't have data and voice at the same time with their system unless you were on the 4G connection. What changed with the EVO, I now have a data connection when I am talking. I can surf the net, emails come through, everything just like I have a 4G connection. I'm in Portland and we don't have LTE here so I know that's not it. I'm not complaining just curious.
It's called SVDO, simultaneous voice over data. Separate chips allow for this.
Well-known feature, but not well-publicized. The upgraded towers will allow SVDO on newer phones.
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Well-known feature, but not well-publicized. The upgraded towers will allow SVDO on newer phones.
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It has nothing to do with upgraded towers, its either a phone supports it or not. Hell, the iphone 5 doesn't support it and neither does the gnex, but the evo lte, gs3 and viper does.
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It has nothing to do with upgraded towers, its either a phone supports it or not. Hell, the iphone 5 doesn't support it and neither does the gnex, but the evo lte, gs3 and viper does.
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It was my understanding it was a combination of both. I find it difficult to imagine that Sprint could've had SVDO for years if only phone manufacturers supported it.
Edit: there's really no clear answer, but you may be right.
Closing this as there is a lengthy thread on this already here...
SVDO....and yes its the phone that allows it. Nothing to do with a change they made nationwide to all towers overnight...
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Does the note 2 have the svdo chip like the s3 for 3g + voice?
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I don't know the technical details, but I asked a Verizon rep if the Note II was capable of simultaneous voice & data and they said yes.
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I don't know the technical details, but I asked a Verizon rep if the Note II was capable of simultaneous voice & data and they said yes.
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All 4g lte Verizon phones are voice n data.... But 3g n data is different...
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I just read a thread on another forum that said the Note II does NOT support svdo for simultaneous voice and data over 3g.
jsadler09 said:
I just read a thread on another forum that said the Note II does NOT support svdo for simultaneous voice and data over 3g.
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Damn vzw....
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All 4g lte Verizon phones are voice n data.... But 3g n data is different...
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Not the iPhone 5
The note 2 can and will be able to svdo same as the S3.
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The note 2 can and will be able to svdo same as the S3.
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Not true. SVDO requires a special hardware radio. The reason why the S3 is capable of SVDO is because the Snapdragon S4 processor that it uses has the necessary hardware integrated. The Note 2 uses Samsung's Exynos processor along with separate, unintegrated radios. Samsung would have to specifically add SVDO support in that situation, and that's something they haven't done to date on any of their phones with separate hardware radios. Only HTC has been consistently doing that with their Verizon releases.
The Sprint Note 2 does not support SVDO. The hardware just isn't there. Here's an article that breaks it down pretty well - Samsung Galaxy Note 2: Big enough for everything (except SVDO). Since all models of the Note 2 have been pretty much identical from a hardware point of view, the Verizon version will follow suit. Samsung wouldn't go out of their way to incorporate completely different hardware radios just give provide Verizon with a feature that they will never even advertise. So, the Note 2 will do simultaneous voice and data when connected to LTE like every LTE device (outside of the iPhone 5), but not when connected to 3G only.
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Not true. SVDO requires a special hardware radio. The reason why the S3 is capable of SVDO is because the Snapdragon S4 processor that it uses has the necessary hardware integrated. The Note 2 uses Samsung's Exynos processor along with separate, unintegrated radios. Samsung would have to specifically add SVDO support in that situation, and that's something they haven't done to date on any of their phones with separate hardware radios. Only HTC has been consistently doing that with their Verizon releases.
The Sprint Note 2 does not support SVDO. The hardware just isn't there. Here's an article that breaks it down pretty well - Samsung Galaxy Note 2: Big enough for everything (except SVDO). Since all models of the Note 2 have been pretty much identical from a hardware point of view, the Verizon version will follow suit. Samsung wouldn't go out of their way to incorporate completely different hardware radios just give provide Verizon with a feature that they will never even advertise. So, the Note 2 will do simultaneous voice and data when connected to LTE like every LTE device (outside of the iPhone 5), but not when connected to 3G only.
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what your saying is true but thats on the sprint network. On Verizon you will have the SVDO just like the S3.
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what your saying is true but thats on the sprint network. On Verizon you will have the SVDO just like the S3.
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In this case, it has nothing to do with the network and everything to do with the hardware. Again, all versions of the Note 2 are pretty much identical from a hardware point of view around the world and in the U.S. Samsung won't completely change the entire hardware radio design just to add a feature for Verizon that they will never advertise.
The Snapdragon S4 is the only reason why the S3 does SVDO. Its integrated radios have SVDO capabilities. The hardware radios in the Note 2 do not support it, and SVDO is something that requires specific hardware in the phone in order to function.
The Verizon Note 2 will not be SVDO capable. I would love to be proven wrong, but it's inclusion logically makes no sense given the large amount of facts available.
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In this case, it has nothing to do with the network and everything to do with the hardware. Again, all versions of the Note 2 are pretty much identical from a hardware point of view around the world and in the U.S. Samsung won't completely change the entire hardware radio design just to add a feature for Verizon that they will never advertise.
The Snapdragon S4 is the only reason why the S3 does SVDO. Its integrated radios have SVDO capabilities. The hardware radios in the Note 2 do not support it, and SVDO is something that requires specific hardware in the phone in order to function.
The Verizon Note 2 will not be SVDO capable. I would love to be proven wrong, but it's inclusion logically makes no sense given the large amount of facts available.
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Ok ill agree to that for now!!! lol so my question to you is, then if you know all this why did you make aa thread asking ?? Not trying to be a ass but just wondering and why would you want to be on 3g?? Are you in a 4g area?
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Ok ill agree to that for now!!! lol so my question to you is, then if you know all this why did you make aa thread asking ?? Not trying to be a ass but just wondering and why would you want to be on 3g?? Are you in a 4g area?
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I didn't create this thread, and I haven't asked any questions. Since I know the things I posted, I just responded to the thread in order to help answer the questions being asked by others. I'm just trying to help the OP and others find the answer to the question and understand why the answer is was it is. That's a big part of what these forums are about.
There are some people who don't live in LTE areas, so SVDO might be important to them. And then, even for those who do live in LTE areas, when traveling they're likely to go through 3G only areas. In those situations, SVDO might be desirable.
So long story short, as long as Verizon still has an operating 3G network, SVDO is something that's nice to have just in case.
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I didn't create this thread, and I haven't asked any questions. Since I know the things I posted, I just responded to the thread in order to help answer the questions being asked by others. I'm just trying to help the OP and others find the answer to the question and understand why the answer is was it is. That's a big part of what these forums are about.
There are some people who don't live in LTE areas, so SVDO might be important to them. And then, even for those who do live in LTE areas, when traveling they're likely to go through 3G only areas. In those situations, SVDO might be desirable.
So long story short, as long as Verizon still has an operating 3G network, SVDO is something that's nice to have just in case.
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Thought you were op. I do travel alot and thankfully im always in 4g. But im pretty sure that the note 2 will be capable of handling SVDO. I talked with various techs on the verizon network and they all seem to say the same as i do. there was a cpl of them who were saying what you are. But as we all know cant really trust verizon so guess what im saying is we will have to wait and see when it comes out.
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Thought you were op. I do travel alot and thankfully im always in 4g. But im pretty sure that the note 2 will be capable of handling SVDO. I talked with various techs on the verizon network and they all seem to say the same as i do. there was a cpl of them who were saying what you are. But as we all know cant really trust verizon so guess what im saying is we will have to wait and see when it comes out.
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I'm just curious, especially given that you said we really can't trust Verizon on such things, why you're "pretty sure that the Note 2 will be capable of handling SVDO?" Absolutely all of the evidence points to it not supporting SVDO. Do you really think Samsung would completely redesign the hardware radios of the phone just for a feature that Verizon has never and will never advertise or support in any official fashion?
Chances are, the reps who agreed with you were probably talking about simultaneous voice and data when you have a LTE connection, not SVDO. With the exception of the iPhone 5, all LTE devices on Verizon can do simultaneous voice and data when connected to LTE. The LTE network handles the data while the 3G network handles voice. SVDO is simultaneous voice and data over 3G only wih no LTE connection. This is not something all LTE devices can do, and it's something that requires special hardware. The Note 2 does not have that special hardware. So, since it doesn't have the necessary hardware, it can't support SVDO.
Most things really don't need lte speed unless you're streaming video.... I would hope they allow 3g + voice for that reason only...
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I'm just curious, especially given that you said we really can't trust Verizon on such things, why you're "pretty sure that the Note 2 will be capable of handling SVDO?" Absolutely all of the evidence points to it not supporting SVDO. Do you really think Samsung would completely redesign the hardware radios of the phone just for a feature that Verizon has never and will never advertise or support in any official fashion?
Chances are, the reps who agreed with you were probably talking about simultaneous voice and data when you have a LTE connection, not SVDO. With the exception of the iPhone 5, all LTE devices on Verizon can do simultaneous voice and data when connected to LTE. The LTE network handles the data while the 3G network handles voice. SVDO is simultaneous voice and data over 3G only wih no LTE connection. This is not something all LTE devices can do, and it's something that requires special hardware. The Note 2 does not have that special hardware. So, since it doesn't have the necessary hardware, it can't support SVDO.
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i really cant say that it will or not but all i can say is that a cpl of well respected techs and "geeks" if you will that ive asked and i know that work for verizon are telling me yes that it does. Now when i called some reps over the phone some say yes and and only 3 out of the 8 times i called today say no. only real way to be sure is when we get our hands on it.
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i really cant say that it will or not but all i can say is that a cpl of well respected techs and "geeks" if you will that ive asked and i know that work for verizon are telling me yes that it does. Now when i called some reps over the phone some say yes and and only 3 out of the 8 times i called today say no. only real way to be sure is when we get our hands on it.
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Actually, there's another way to be sure.
Here are the FCC documents for the Verizon Note 2. If you look at the RF Exposure Info 1 document, on page 5 (section 1.5), you'll find the Simultaneous Transmission Capabilities. SVDO is not listed. Then, if you look at Table 1-2 on the next page (which lists all of the possible simultaneous transmission capabilities), you'll see that at no point is voice and 3G capable simultaneously. For every combination of the two, it says "Not Supported by HW." Then at the bottom, it specifically states:
CDMA and EVDO share the same antenna path and cannot transmit simultaneously. (Non-SVDO)
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Hopefully that's the definitive proof that everyone needs to know that the Note 2 is absolutely not capable of SVDO. I wish it were, but like I said before, the hardware simply is not there for it. It can certainly do simultaneous voice and data while connected to LTE (which is still what I think the people you spoke to were talking about), but SVDO is completely impossible.
Thank you very much, I have learned a lot!
Does the phone support voice and data simultaneously over 3g? I have not found a good answer on Google, Verizon said yes and fact is I can't do it in a 3g area.
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Does the phone support voice and data simultaneously over 3g? I have not found a good answer on Google, Verizon said yes and fact is I can't do it in a 3g area.
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Nope... doesn't have the svdo chip like the s3
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Bummer and thanks, I became used to that function of the thunderbolt. Going to be hard to go back.
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Well crap, that sucks. I was hoping to move from my AT&T iPhone to the GNII. But I use and need voice and data at the same time. What other Verizon phones can do this other than the S3?
Bill
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Bummer and thanks, I became used to that function of the thunderbolt. Going to be hard to go back.
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does it support voice and LTE?
bgowland said:
Well crap, that sucks. I was hoping to move from my AT&T iPhone to the GNII. But I use and need voice and data at the same time. What other Verizon phones can do this other than the S3?
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HTC Thunderbolt, HTC Rezound, Samsung S3
As long as you are in a LTE area it will do voice and data at the same time.
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does it support voice and LTE?
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Yes, I was on LTE, called my voicemail, and was able to browse the internet. It won't work if you're on 3g though.
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Whew. Relief. I am in LTE areas almost all of the time, and if not then Wifi.
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Yes, I was on LTE, called my voicemail, and was able to browse the internet. It won't work if you're on 3g though.
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HTC Thunderbolt, HTC Rezound, Samsung S3
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Droid RAZR HD Maxx also has this function.
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Yeah, as has been mentioned a few times, the Note 2 can't do SVDO (simultaneous voice and data over 3G). Special hardware is required in order for this to work, and the Note 2 doesn't have it (so there's no chance of it ever being able to do it).
And just to add some tangible proof, here are the FCC documents for the Verizon Note 2. If you look at the RF Exposure Info 1 document, on page 5 (section 1.5), you'll find the Simultaneous Transmission Capabilities. SVDO is not listed. Then, if you look at Table 1-2 on the next page (which lists all of the possible simultaneous transmission capabilities), you'll see that at no point is voice and 3G capable simultaneously. For every combination of the two, it says "Not Supported by HW." Then at the bottom, it specifically states:
CDMA and EVDO share the same antenna path and cannot transmit simultaneously. (Non-SVDO)
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So, no SVDO for the Note 2, and it will never be able to do it. It can definitely do simultaneous voice and data while connected to LTE though (the data connection runs through LTE, the voice connection through CDMA).
Wow, the first thing that I've heard about the Note 2 that sucks. Wtf, why would it not be, when the S3 is? Why would this later-released, more expensive, "higher" tech phone miss this? Strange....
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Wow, the first thing that I've heard about the Note 2 that sucks. Wtf, why would it not be, when the S3 is? Why would this later-released, more expensive, "higher" tech phone miss this? Strange....
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It all comes down to the hardware used.
The Galaxy S3 released on all carriers in the U.S. has the Snapdragon S4 processor. That processor has all of the cellular radios integrated into it, including support for SVDO.
The Note 2 does not have the same processor. It has a Samsung Exynos processor. This processor does not have integrated radios. The separate radios that Samsung chose to include do not have SVDO support.
SVDO isn't something that Verizon or Sprint advertise because they can't guarantee that it will consistently work. Because of that, it's a feature that most users won't even really know is or isn't there (and because CDMA users are used to not being able to do simultaneous voice and data over 3G). So, manufacturers don't have to go out of their way to include it. If the radios used support it already (like the Snapdragon S4 in the Galaxy S3), then we get an added bonus.
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Droid RAZR HD Maxx also has this function.
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S4 snapdragon processes has svdo..
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That is really sad news. I spend so much time driving between work sites and on the phone i was really enjoying the fact that i would still recieve emails while on conference calls on my S3, damn. I really wanted the note 2, what a waste, so we have multi window, the ultimate in android multitasking but we lost what i consider to be a basic multitasking feature. I wish these manufacturers would spend a few more months to get these important features on high end phones, i bet this processor appears in less than three months in a phone with voice/data over CDMA.
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It all comes down to the hardware used.
The Galaxy S3 released on all carriers in the U.S. has the Snapdragon S4 processor. That processor has all of the cellular radios integrated into it, including support for SVDO.
The Note 2 does not have the same processor. It has a Samsung Exynos processor. This processor does not have integrated radios. The separate radios that Samsung chose to include do not have SVDO support.
SVDO isn't something that Verizon or Sprint advertise because they can't guarantee that it will consistently work. Because of that, it's a feature that most users won't even really know is or isn't there (and because CDMA users are used to not being able to do simultaneous voice and data over 3G). So, manufacturers don't have to go out of their way to include it. If the radios used support it already (like the Snapdragon S4 in the Galaxy S3), then we get an added bonus.
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The Qualcomm Gobi MDM9615 radio in LTE variants of GNII support SVDO. This is the same basic radio that's in the Snapdragon S4 Pro, except it's not integrated into the SoC. However, the GNII differs from the GSIII North American version in that's it's fundamentally the same as the International version except with differently tuned antennas for different regions and carriers. The Exynos processor has no effect on the lack of SVDO, instead it's the numbers of antennas and which signal paths transmit on the antennas. In this regard the GNII and iPhone 5 (which also uses the MDM9615) are similar in that their antenna designs prevent SVDO even though the radio does support it.
As far as Verizon is concerned, they are planning to have their entire 3G network footprint overlaid with LTE by mid-2013. So for us Verizon GNII owners, it literally doesn't matter that our phones don't support SVDO. In roughly 6 months, the entire country will have LTE, and the GNII supports SVLTE just fine. Now those Sprint GNII owners, point and laugh.
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The Qualcomm Gobi MDM9615 radio in LTE variants of GNII support SVDO. This is the same basic radio that's in the Snapdragon S4 Pro, except it's not integrated into the SoC. However, the GNII differs from the GSIII North American version in that's it's fundamentally the same as the International version except with differently tuned antennas for different regions and carriers. The Exynos processor has no effect on the lack of SVDO, instead it's the numbers of antennas and which signal paths transmit on the antennas. In this regard the GNII and iPhone 5 (which also uses the MDM9615) are similar in that their antenna designs prevent SVDO even though the radio does support it.
As far as Verizon is concerned, they are planning to have their entire 3G network footprint overlaid with LTE by mid-2013. So for us Verizon GNII owners, it literally doesn't matter that our phones don't support SVDO. In roughly 6 months, the entire country will have LTE, and the GNII supports SVLTE just fine. Now those Sprint GNII owners, point and laugh.
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Thanks for the clarification. Either way, the major point I was trying to get at still holds true - all of the hardware that's necessary for SVDO isn't present in the Note 2.
I finally found an app that let me goto cdma/evdo only and waited till the 3G icon showed up then made a call and while in call tried to go online but got an error saying no data connection. When I ended the call I checked the internet again and had no problem. I know it's already been said in this post that it doesn't work but I wanted to do an actual test just to make sure. So there you have it.
It seems to be an intermittent problem with me. I tried it out by ringing my voicemail and the data symbol remained got to listen to my voice mails and go to a website at the same time and I am on a 3g network
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I guess I am gullible.
AT&T says their network is the only one that you can talk and surf at the same time.
Not true. I most certainly can on my EvoLte.
If I am the only one that was this ignorant then man do I really feel stupid.
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They advertise it typically on their iPhone commercials, and that was certainly true before iPhone 5.
All GSM networks can talk and surf at the same time. All networks can talk and surf if backed up by data network (LTE/wimax or WiFi). But CDMA networks such as Verizon and Sprint, without backup data connection, it's Evo LTE and maybe Droid DNA are the only phones that can talk and surf at the same time.
I find it fun to show my AT&T rep (i work @ best buy mobile) but then she shows me a speed test (just HSPA+ in the area for AT&T but there is Sprint LTE in the neighborhood but not in the building). lol
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I find it fun to show my AT&T rep (i work @ best buy mobile) but then she shows me a speed test (just HSPA+ in the area for AT&T but there is Sprint LTE in the neighborhood but not in the building). lol
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Lol. I did a speed test brawl with my mom's iPhone 5 on 4G at&t and mine wy evo lte. She had 40mbps or something like that. Mine topped at 350kbps. Hahaha. 3G speeds are great in Minnesota... 4G LTE doesn't really exist here.
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Its called svdo and its very old news.
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Well I've hit 36mbps here at my house on Sprint LTE!! Not sure how AT&T compares as I don't know anyone with AT&T, but with that said, I'm assuming they aren't that great in my area.
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Well I've hit 36mbps here at my house on Sprint LTE!! Not sure how AT&T compares as I don't know anyone with AT&T, but with that said, I'm assuming they aren't that great in my area.
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Sounds great!
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Well I've hit 36mbps here at my house on Sprint LTE!! Not sure how AT&T compares as I don't know anyone with AT&T, but with that said, I'm assuming they aren't that great in my area.
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Great speed. In NYC, where LTE is available, I get something around 3-4mbps down, about 4 up. Maybe because NYC is not officially launched and they are still testing things.
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They advertise it typically on their iPhone commercials, and that was certainly true before iPhone 5.
All GSM networks can talk and surf at the same time. All networks can talk and surf if backed up by data network (LTE/wimax or WiFi). But CDMA networks such as Verizon and Sprint, without backup data connection, it's Evo LTE and maybe Droid DNA are the only phones that can talk and surf at the same time.
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Not quite true, did you know that the iphone 5 on sprint/verizon can't do voice and data at the same time even while on lte? Also, did you know that the evo lte, gs3, viper 4g can also do voice and data simultaneously over 3g and not just lte? Like someone else said, its called svdo. Not every lte phone is capable of svdo but there are a few that are and what determines svdo capabilities is the chip/radio design in the phone and not on the network side.
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Not quite true, did you know that the iphone 5 on sprint/verizon can't do voice and data at the same time even while on lte? Also, did you know that the evo lte, gs3, viper 4g can also do voice and data simultaneously over 3g and not just lte? Like someone else said, its called svdo. Not every lte phone is capable of svdo but there are a few that are and what determines svdo capabilities is the chip/radio design in the phone and not on the network side.
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So, if possible, why wouldn't Apple install the chip/radio possible of doing simultaneous voice and data on the Verizon and Sprint versions of all the iPhones since they did on all of the AT&T versions? Seems like a no-brainer for Apple to do that, and make their iPhone stand out amongst all other phones. Also, why only do it for AT&T versions and not Sprint and Verizon? Just seems like a stupid business/marketing decision Apple made, if it is possible and they just chose not to...
Also, so the GS3 can do simultaneous voice and data over 3G on all of the carriers that it's offered on? That's very interesting, because I had no idea! I thought that it was something only possible on newer Android phones when connected to LTE. I have never known that it has been possible for a while on Android with the right chip/radio. Why wouldn't manufacturers do this sooner!? Why did multiple manufacturers suddenly decide to do this to their phones around the same time? Just seems crazy to me! If I was HTC, I would have been putting this chip/radio in for a while now, as something to make them stand out against other Android phones! Seems like a very obvious marketing strategy!!
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I have and do quite often talk and use data at the same time on Sprints 3G signal on my EVO LTE. It does work.
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So, if possible, why wouldn't Apple install the chip/radio possible of doing simultaneous voice and data on the Verizon and Sprint versions of all the iPhones since they did on all of the AT&T versions? Seems like a no-brainer for Apple to do that, and make their iPhone stand out amongst all other phones. Also, why only do it for AT&T versions and not Sprint and Verizon? Just seems like a stupid business/marketing decision Apple made, if it is possible and they just chose not to...
Also, so the GS3 can do simultaneous voice and data over 3G on all of the carriers that it's offered on? That's very interesting, because I had no idea! I thought that it was something only possible on newer Android phones when connected to LTE. I have never known that it has been possible for a while on Android with the right chip/radio. Why wouldn't manufacturers do this sooner!? Why did multiple manufacturers suddenly decide to do this to their phones around the same time? Just seems crazy to me! If I was HTC, I would have been putting this chip/radio in for a while now, as something to make them stand out against other Android phones! Seems like a very obvious marketing strategy!!
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The iphone on att has been able to talk and surf at the same time because thats how gsm works. For a cdma phone to do talk and surf at the same time u need a dedicated internet source or an svdo radio installed in the phone. My guess is apples proprietary hw wouldnt work with an svdo radio on sprint/verizon. Or they just simply didnt want to include it.
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The iphone on att has been able to talk and surf at the same time because thats how gsm works. For a cdma phone to do talk and surf at the same time u need a dedicated internet source or an svdo radio installed in the phone. My guess is apples proprietary hw wouldnt work with an svdo radio on sprint/verizon. Or they just simply didnt want to include it.
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Cool. Thanks. Yea, I knew that the iphone on AT&T has been capable of this for a while now. I thought that all GSM networks were capable of this. After reading themuffinman's post, I thought he was saying that it was all up to the phone itself and didn't rely on the network at all. That would mean that a GSM network wasn't always capable of doing this, but if the phone was capable THEN it was possible. After reading your post, then re-reading his post; I think what he was saying is that CDMA networks couldn't do this if the phone isn't made capable, and not that GSM networks couldn't if the phone wasn't capable. Now that makes sense to me, and is how I've always thought that it worked.
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So, if possible, why wouldn't Apple install the chip/radio possible of doing simultaneous voice and data on the Verizon and Sprint versions of all the iPhones since they did on all of the AT&T versions? Seems like a no-brainer for Apple to do that, and make their iPhone stand out amongst all other phones. Also, why only do it for AT&T versions and not Sprint and Verizon? Just seems like a stupid business/marketing decision Apple made, if it is possible and they just chose not to...
Also, so the GS3 can do simultaneous voice and data over 3G on all of the carriers that it's offered on? That's very interesting, because I had no idea! I thought that it was something only possible on newer Android phones when connected to LTE. I have never known that it has been possible for a while on Android with the right chip/radio. Why wouldn't manufacturers do this sooner!? Why did multiple manufacturers suddenly decide to do this to their phones around the same time? Just seems crazy to me! If I was HTC, I would have been putting this chip/radio in for a while now, as something to make them stand out against other Android phones! Seems like a very obvious marketing strategy!!
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Because the Qualcomm chip that enables svdo on cdma networks wasn't out yet. It made its first appearance on the LG Viper 4G. Once the chip became available only then could manufacturers add it on. Like Evo lte and GS3. You see how Samsung decided to go with their Exynos quadcore in the Note 2 and because of it unlike the S3 we have no svdo.
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I forget who but I just laugh at the one who doesn't understand why apple wouldn't do it for all phones, its bad marketing.
HELLO its apple after all lol
Not being mean, please don't take it that way, just saying
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IMO it's because apple likes to leave things out so they can put them in the next version. That way they can tout it as a 'new' feature (new to them at least) and the sheep will buy in.
Remember how the original Iphone didn't have 3g?
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IMO it's because apple likes to leave things out so they can put them in the next version. That way they can tout it as a 'new' feature (new to them at least) and the sheep will buy in.
Remember how the original Iphone didn't have 3g?
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This probably wasn't so much an Apple decision as it was an AT&T decision. AT&T has been hit hard ever since they lost the iPhone exclusivity in the states, they want to milk it for all its worth. Apple doesn't do the "leave a feature out" bit on purpose.
The original iPhone did not have 3G because 3G wasn't nearly as ubiquitous as it is now. Well, I say "as it is now" but then I look at my phone right now and I see that I'm on 1X anyway. Not many people even realize that when the first iPhone came out, smartphones weren't seen as the multi-purpose machines that they are now. Hell, the first few revisions of iOS weren't even designed with the idea of third-party apps at all. We've come a long way since then.
We could also be called "sheep" as well, you know, we keep buying into more and more powerful Android phones with insane processors and ridiculous GPUs but it wasn't until Android 4.2 that the UI is as consistently 60FPS-smooth as an iPhone that has half (if not less) the processing power. Just saying, you should keep an open unbiased mind, that's what separates you from the fanboy-lusting Android people who froth at the mouth when Apple is mentioned and mature, logical, and reasonable adults. (not accusing anyone of the former)
Afaik all iPhones are identical internally across all carriers regardless of gsm/cdma...only reason a att iPhone won't work on sprint is bc sprint won't allow it ...they won't even allow an unlocked phone on the network even though it is perfectly capable of it ..
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Afaik all iPhones are identical internally across all carriers regardless of gsm/cdma...only reason a att iPhone won't work on sprint is bc sprint won't allow it ...they won't even allow an unlocked phone on the network even though it is perfectly capable of it ..
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Well, due to the nature of CDMA and ESNs, you can't actually "unlock" a CDMA phone (unless someone would like to correct me).
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Because the Qualcomm chip that enables svdo on cdma networks wasn't out yet. It made its first appearance on the LG Viper 4G. Once the chip became available only then could manufacturers add it on. Like Evo lte and GS3. You see how Samsung decided to go with their Exynos quadcore in the Note 2 and because of it unlike the S3 we have no svdo.
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Not entirely true there.... Chips were out that could support it before the Viper...
Hence the Thunderbolt had it with the addition of an extra modem on board on the MDM9600, which was used for evdo data, and let the MSM8655 handle the 1x cdma voice connection....bringing you svdo... Now sprint had no need for the extra MDM chip like Verizon did back then as its main purpose was for LTE connectivity... Not worth adding the extra modem back then just for svdo...
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