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I'm quite excited about this:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/142083/mobile-firefox-to-debut-on-windows-mobile.html
Perhaps we'll get that long-awaited full browser functionality on Windows Mobile.
If this is the Firefox seen on the latest N800 Tabet update then we can expect FULL, smooth flash support and snappy load times.
If so this could be a worry for Opera Mobile, who are seemingly SH*T at integrating effective flash support into their browsers - they couldn't even manage it with the Wii.
I can only cross my fingers......
leoni1980 said:
I'm quite excited about this:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/142083/mobile-firefox-to-debut-on-windows-mobile.html
Perhaps we'll get that long-awaited full browser functionality on Windows Mobile.
If this is the Firefox seen on the latest N800 Tabet update then we can expect FULL, smooth flash support and snappy load times.
If so this could be a worry for Opera Mobile, who are seemingly SH*T at integrating effective flash support into their browsers - they couldn't even manage it with the Wii.
I can only cross my fingers......
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If you want to try a beta of it here it is !
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
It's quite good but it's not perfect flash is not yet implemented in this version but RSS is !! there are also missing options like the ability to lie to websites about the type of device (portable/desktop) and it keeps putting the touch keyboard up, just tap on the screen to close it
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If you want to try a beta of it here it is !
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
It's quite good but it's not perfect flash is not yet implemented in this version but RSS is !! there are also missing options like the ability to lie to websites about the type of device (portable/desktop) and it keeps putting the touch keyboard up, just tap on the screen to close it
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I believe Minimo is a separate project. The new firefox development is for wm6 and linux-based devices with a bit more RAM and ROM at their disposal as far as i know.
Nokia ousted Opera in favour of firefox for the browser in OS2008 (which is superb). If the same browser can be put on my WM6 device i'll be VERY happy.
It will be great... I use the web alot and thats one reason i use my iphone more. if we can get firefox ... goodbye iphone...
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It will be great... I use the web alot and thats one reason i use my iphone more. if we can get firefox ... goodbye iphone...
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The link from this article has a bit more information...
http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/10/firefox-coming-to-your-phone/.
It seems that it CERTAINLY isn't Minimo - more a fully-fledged browser and will released around the first quarter of next year.
Trying to source some more info
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If you want to try a beta of it here it is !
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
it keeps putting the touch keyboard up, just tap on the screen to close it
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or disable software keyboard in options, but it seams that slow and freezzes my device up for 30 seconds at a time as its a beta hope it will be improved masively as opera is far more user friendly
firefox beta2
No stable not working
spzero said:
or disable software keyboard in options, but it seams that slow and freezzes my device up for 30 seconds at a time as its a beta hope it will be improved masively as opera is far more user friendly
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it worked fine for me are you sure you got the 0.2 version not the 0.1 !!!
leoni1980 said:
The link from this article has a bit more information...
http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/10/firefox-coming-to-your-phone/.
It seems that it CERTAINLY isn't Minimo - more a fully-fledged browser and will released around the first quarter of next year.
Trying to source some more info
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I see what you are saying, but I also think it is foolish to think they are going to completely ignore the mobile browser they already have in their stable and come up with a new firefox mobile !!!
We will wait and see, I think you will find the the up and coming firefox will have more in common with minimo than you give credit for. When using minimo I noticed it was quick opening up tabs (quicker than opera) and the loading symbol for a loading tab was the same as used on firefox on my desktop! the point is there are already similarities I expect firefox to be based on some if not a lot of the minimo code.
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it worked fine for me are you sure you got the 0.2 version not the 0.1 !!!
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my cab is 'minimoCE_0.2' it does work but is not that great im using opera again.... until something better comes along
your right it isn`t that great but it`s only a beta, give it time !
I don't know if it's a setting I have missed or something but the Opera browser doesn't seem to accept touch screen input.
Is this right?
I have removed it in favour of IE atm
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I don't know if it's a setting I have missed or something but the Opera browser doesn't seem to accept touch screen input.
Is this right?
I have removed it in favour of IE atm
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in the options uncheck the grab option.
Whilst we're talking about Opera, there's a little thing I've been pondering.
Why do developers of Mobile browsers find it so difficult to integrate flash support?
Surely even if there isn't a dedicated flash player for this platform there's some way that the browser could detect if a flash format needs processing and converting. As far as I know the Firefox browser built into the EEE pc's xandros OS does this.
At no point do any drivers need installing. Even Stage6 files are converted and streamed without needing to install the web player.
Hi all, I've been using WM since ages.
The X10 mini pro is tempting me to commit hersy and buy and android phone
May you help me with some questions I have:
- Is a FULL file explorer preloaded ??
- Can I download/EDIT/save office docs ??
- Can I hot auto check my hotmail ??
- A win live mesenger is present ??
- Can I easily change the UI or is it "closed" ?? (sort of the xperia "panels")
THANKS in advance
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Hi all, I've been using WM since ages.
The X10 mini pro is tempting me to commit hersy and buy and android phone
May you help me with some questions I have:
- Is a FULL file explorer preloaded ??
- Can I download/EDIT/save office docs ??
- Can I hot auto check my hotmail ??
- A win live mesenger is present ??
- Can I easily change the UI or is it "closed" ?? (sort of the xperia "panels")
THANKS in advance
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Hey
1. there is no file manger installed but you can download one from marked
2. you can buy doc to go then you can edit doc
3. you with exchange
4. there is many good msn apps in marked
5. you can use any home's from marked like adw launcher
gtrab said:
Hi all, I've been using WM since ages.
The X10 mini pro is tempting me to commit hersy and buy and android phone
May you help me with some questions I have:
- Is a FULL file explorer preloaded ??
- Can I download/EDIT/save office docs ??
- Can I hot auto check my hotmail ??
- A win live mesenger is present ??
- Can I easily change the UI or is it "closed" ?? (sort of the xperia "panels")
THANKS in advance
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Following on from the previous answer
1) Not pre-installed, but you can easily download and install a free one directly from the Market (i.e from the phone itself) - ASTRO File Manager and ES File Explorer are two good ones, but there are plenty to choose from
2) Again, not pre-installed, but you can download a free app called "Documents to Go" that will let you read office docs. http://www.dataviz.com/ - You'll need to buy the full version (currently $15) to be able to edit docs too
3) Googling suggests that you can probably make it work using pop3 - I don't use hotmail, so I can't try it out
4) Nothing pre-installed, but there are lots on the market. I'm currently using Trillian which works nicely (free beta, will probably become a paid app)
5) Yes - there are lots of alternative launchers, so if you're not happy with the S.E. "4 corners" homescreen, you can easily switch for another one - most of these are free, too
So, it sounds like you might have to fork out some cash to be able to do everything you want
I use maildroid for all my email accounts including Hotmail. Just download it for free in market
Sent from my rooted X10 mini PRO using XDA App
THANKS for your replies.
Let me see if I get it right:
OK so Android looks like a different approach (more iPhone-esque than pocketPC-esque) but able to expand to more advanced capabilities with some investment
(and the market looks pretty ample)
One final Q:
Front camera for video call ??
(I could just check pdadb.net for that one, but sometimes having the phone in-hand brings on some surprises)
No video calling afaik, though I suppose some app could potentially do it via the front camera.
Although the launcher can be changed easily, the OS theming requires the phone to be rooted and a system file to be replaced to change, so you'll have a lot of blue until the phone is rooted.
There are thousands of apps on the market and also around on the web, some are junk, some are great (including a lot of free ones), you shouldn't have too much trouble finding software to fill whatever needs you have.
Android is a pretty fantastic phone OS, I don't think you'll be dissatisfied with it, the user experience is much the same across different phones, so really it's about getting it on hardware that can fill your needs.
front cam ??
so it DOES have a front camera
thanks for the info
good news !!
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No video calling afaik, though I suppose some app could potentially do it via the front camera.
Although the launcher can be changed easily, the OS theming requires the phone to be rooted and a system file to be replaced to change, so you'll have a lot of blue until the phone is rooted.
There are thousands of apps on the market and also around on the web, some are junk, some are great (including a lot of free ones), you shouldn't have too much trouble finding software to fill whatever needs you have.
Android is a pretty fantastic phone OS, I don't think you'll be dissatisfied with it, the user experience is much the same across different phones, so really it's about getting it on hardware that can fill your needs.
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front cam ??
so it DOES have a front camera
thanks for the info
good news !!
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I have not seen a front camera on the mini pro, and the one i have has not a front camera
No front camera in mini pro
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Hey gtrab,
I was just like you, I always swore bt WM. And never wanted to try anything new. But while I was on a trip, my dash was bugging out on me and I needed a new phone. I went for the x10 mini pro cuz it was cheap.
Now my view has changed, android took a while to get used to from wm. Not a lot of things were intergrated like wm, I needed an app for every little thing. Just to get a comm manager thing going, I needed to download like 6 widgets for it. And there was no folders to organize the apps. Things weren't in abc order. But installing a new launcher solved it.
The thing about the x10 that is making me stick with android and ditching wm6.5 (maybe untill wm7 comes out) is there is no crashed. Android runs smooth and stable. I havent soft reset my phone in 2 months. Even tho a wm rom was stable it still has issues and I needed to soft reset it once a week just to get something to work again. Even my girl friend likes my phone, she always hated my wm phones cause it was hard to use, and it would always mess up on us when im talking to her over the phone. It would always go like, "the comm manager isnt loading, I need to reset the phone to turn on the bluetooh, ill call u back"
Because of this I think im going to stick with android now.
Sent from my U20i using XDA App
Thanks for your words Ray_Jai
I am 100% sure to go Android as soon as possible, my only concern is "which" phone to choose
The X10 mini pro is an amazing little phone, the only thing stopping me from buying it is the screen res 'cause I do a lot of web navigation, and the older android version (Froyo has flash 10.1 web support)
The newest Desire Z and Moto droid 2 world edition are tempting me
Np,
The small screen is a killer for me too, but I do most of my web reading from RSS readers, so it's ok for me. I only use the phone for email and light web surfing, I rarely play games or watch movies on it. I tried to install some games, but many of the games weren't supported. so if you're into that, it might not be that good. but for everything else, it does a pretty good job.
ok, i saw this article on gizmodo so i tried to download it. apparantly O1 is in the "not supported so go away" list. So i tried the experimental ARM v6 build, cause it told me too, and when i run it, it goes into infinate load loop. Using Prime ROM.
Anyone would like to try?
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms/Android#ARMv6_.28experimental.29
QR code is provided in the link.
For devices with ARMv6 processors, like the HTC Hero, Legend, Droid Eris, Wildfire, or Samsung Moment. (See below for a longer list of phones.)
Note: The ARMv6 build not supported, and is known to crash frequently. Many older Android phones do not have enough RAM or storage to run current Fennec builds.
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P.S. So sad how our phone sux
dongimin2 said:
ok, i saw this article on gizmodo so i tried to download it. apparantly O1 is in the "not supported so go away" list. So i tried the experimental ARM v6 build, cause it told me too, and when i run it, it goes into infinate load loop. Using Prime ROM.
Anyone would like to try?
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms/Android#ARMv6_.28experimental.29
QR code is provided in the link.
P.S. So sad how our phone sux
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there are a gazillion browsers for android and u r still stuck on Firefox..Get it over it man...FF for android is still under development ..Buggy and ppl need to restart it all the time....I wudnt care much abt it..Dolphin Mini suites most my needs ..Its got JS suport so i can download files from rapidshare,megaupload etc. unlike opera Mini..Try MAxthon too ..Its new and its good
Man don't be so negative, our phone is awesome !
it's just experimental ! you can't run it now but you will in a while !
be patient, use Opera,Dolphin etc etc there is a billion web browser out there !
The moment you bought otimus one, you should be well aware that there are compromises because of its affordable price. there are tons of good browsers available, firefox is on beta if im not mistaken. And still has bugs. Our phone is great just dont expect it to perform like a high-end device.
This just made me chuckle. Dude go use a myTouch for a few months, then come back to this phone. It would be like comparing a Ford Model T to a Vette.
Sent from my LG-P500 using Tapatalk
what about using dolphin HD ? I am using it with lots of extensions, like firefox sync etc and it works great.
..Anyone here have a copy of the Fx mobile for ARMv6? seem it is being removed from the page and their FTP
Second thoughts : stock browser is good enough. I have this behavior thinking that stock =bad
Sent from my LG-P500 using XDA App
i like using the sky fire browser.i know you have to pay for video but its 2.99 and you get it for life.
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Dont say our phone sux,the fact is that firefox for mobile and computer suxxx.And google chrome roxxx,hope we'll get one for our phone.
ashishv said:
Dont say our phone sux,the fact is that firefox for mobile and computer suxxx.And google chrome roxxx,hope we'll get one for our phone.
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Me too.
Sent from my LG-P509
Is my screen too bright, or am I just too ASIAN?
not our O1 phone sux
is nothing is perfect in this world, sure got its advantage and disadvantage
ashishv said:
Dont say our phone sux,the fact is that firefox for mobile and computer suxxx.And google chrome roxxx,hope we'll get one for our phone.
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Try Firefox 7, it might change your mind. Reviews by tech websites and some users have reported the newest FF being faster and lighter than Chrome. I can't vouch for the because I never used Chrome on a regular basis, but it's definitely light, the version that finally got me to upgrade after holding on to FF 3.6 for months.
As for mobile browsers, the AOSP browser uses the same engines as Chrome, so it's already like having chrome in our phone. That said, with Opera Mini & Dolphin around I see no reason why I should use a buggy Fennec that doesn't officially support my phone.
deetailed said:
Try Firefox 7, it might change your mind. Reviews by tech websites and some users have reported the newest FF being faster and lighter than Chrome. I can't vouch for the because I never used Chrome on a regular basis, but it's definitely light, the version that finally got me to upgrade after holding on to FF 3.6 for months.
As for mobile browsers, the AOSP browser uses the same engines as Chrome, so it's already like having chrome in our phone. That said, with Opera Mini & Dolphin around I see no reason why I should use a buggy Fennec that doesn't officially support my phone.
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but our phone can't use firefox
XeactorZ said:
but our phone can't use firefox
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S/he said computer. I spoke about mobile in the second paragraph.
deetailed said:
S/he said computer. I spoke about mobile in the second paragraph.
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, right now using opera mini and stock browser on phone
if you really want firefox, you can run debian in a chroot and use iceweasel (firefox 3.5)
or you can run old version of ubuntu that still supports armv6 in chroot and use straight-up firefox.
it's a little slow in the vnc viewer, and you can't deal with much media because of the speed, but it handles uploads and downloads way better than stock android browser, and opens pages that android's chrome-ish browser won't.
I use iceweasel when I can't get to something with the stock browser.
just my 2 cents, since this topic's been pulled from the graveyard for discussion.
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if you really want firefox, you can run debian in a chroot and use iceweasel (firefox 3.5)
or you can run old version of ubuntu that still supports armv6 in chroot and use straight-up firefox.
it's a little slow in the vnc viewer, and you can't deal with much media because of the speed, but it handles uploads and downloads way better than stock android browser, and opens pages that android's chrome-ish browser won't.
I use iceweasel when I can't get to something with the stock browser.
just my 2 cents, since this topic's been pulled from the graveyard for discussion.
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can teach how ???
btw off course if provide please provide latest version which 7.0
XeactorZ said:
can teach how ???
btw off course if provide please provide latest version which 7.0
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I've seen a thread for debian on optimus one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996746
and am in one for debian on the optimus v
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1129803
you can use the debian stable version (6.0) I uploaded and then upgrade once it's running on your phone, or you'll have to debootstrap your own image using wheezy (is wheezy 7.0?) or sid as you prefer, instead of squeeze, as laid out in the O-One thread above.
I'm not sure about ubuntu, which you'd need for an up-to-date firefox release, but you can search for ubuntu filesystem chroot images, they're around too.
Hi Developers
I thought I would share an idea I had with the developers on this forum in regards to the issue with the x10 camera not functioning on 2.2 or 2.3 roms. I am an experienced developer, but honestly am not very familiar with the android platform to be able to attempt this idea. Don't shoot me down, this is just an idea but it may be worth investigating.
I understand that there are issues in porting items such as the camera over from a 2.1 rom over to 2.2 or 2.3 due to the change in the android camera api. Instead of rewriting drivers, etc, it may worth investigating or attempting the method I am about to mention.
I have noticed that there have been alot of emulators written to play games on the android, which emulate neogeo, psx, etc. Why dont we emulate aspects of the 2.1 run which can be run in 2.2 or 2.3?
For example, create an app which will emulate the camera from 2.1 rom by emulating the camera api's from 2.1. When you load up your phone and run the 'camera' app, it would actually emulate the camera app from 2.1 within the 2.2/2.3 rom by using the required 2.1 camera api's? I believe this would be the best way of resolving the issue. Plus, this app which emulates the camera from 2.1 would actually just be an app which can be easily installed to work on 2.2, 2.3, or any other future rom releases....
Developers, let me know what your thoughts are on this. If this works, we may be able to always use native features from the x10 already written and developed for the 2.1 rom.
neomira
Thats a very good idea mate,make an 2.1 emulator for 2.3 and up. But mate thats not the problem,its not the camera app itself thats not working,its the inside libs(drivers so to say) that were written in 2.1 (Lets say Windows 98) language and now to switch them to 2.2/2.3 (Windows 7 so to say) is a problem cause those libs(drivers) arent compatible in the operating system,as Android changed ALOT from 2.1 to 2.2 and specially 2.3. You see,Z got the camera ongoing but with software decoding not hardware decoding,thats why you can make a photo but not a video,making a video is too much job for Software emulation (Try it with illusion pro,you'll result in a laggy 15fps 640x480 vid). What they are trying atm is to rewrite the camera driver in a way that it could cope with the hardware decoder . Cause the election is eigher camcorder or video-watching,and 90% want Video decoding rather than the Camcorder.
The camera itself is recognized and stuff but because the camera driver is very old already,it wont work on the new OS's.
Emulation is a good idea but still wont work alright afaik,its like trying to emulate a old windows 95 printer to your windows 7,yes you can emulate windows 95 but you wont be able to use the printer cause windows 7 doesnt know what it is or what to do with it,because the OS that handles the Hardware is the base one,not the emulated one.PSX and so on emulates the remote control cause Android base system knows the hardware that the software translates and makes you be able to use it and can interact with it (touch screen),but that happens because the base OS has and recognizes it,imagine if the base OS wouldn't know the touch screen.Having the buttons displayed on your display would be pointless cause you cant use them as they dont even exist for the base OS which is the important one.
EDIT : Thats why its called Emulation,cause it just Emulates the hardware,doesnt actually use it,has it or recognizes it ,its all software that translates from a unknown hardware to known software for the Base OS,but in our case if the base OS doesnt know the camera,its pointless that the Emulated OS does cause an emulation first needs an input to work,if that input isnt there it just wont work.
EDIT 2 : So its not the camera app,its the camera driver(libs),and there is no way you can use windows 95 drivers on windows 7 unless you rewrite them. (Heck,i remember i couldnt even use W95 drivers on WMillenium,and they had the same base kernel 9x so imagine).
But thats my thought,maybe there is something else i dont know and it could work.
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Thats a very good idea mate,make an 2.1 emulator for 2.3 and up. But mate thats not the problem,its not the camera app itself thats not working,its the inside libs(drivers so to say) that were written in 2.1 (Lets say Windows 98) language and now to switch them to 2.2/2.3 (Windows 7 so to say) is a problem cause those libs(drivers) arent compatible in the operating system,as Android changed ALOT from 2.1 to 2.2 and specially 2.3. You see,Z got the camera ongoing but with software decoding not hardware decoding,thats why you can make a photo but not a video,making a video is too much job for Software emulation (Try it with illusion pro,you'll result in a laggy 15fps 640x480 vid). What they are trying atm is to rewrite the camera driver in a way that it could cope with the hardware decoder . Cause the election is eigher camcorder or video-watching,and 90% want Video decoding rather than the Camcorder.
The camera itself is recognized and stuff but because the camera driver is very old already,it wont work on the new OS's.
Emulation is a good idea but still wont work alright afaik,its like trying to emulate a old windows 95 printer to your windows 7,yes you can emulate windows 95 but you wont be able to use the printer cause windows 7 doesnt know what it is or what to do with it,because the OS that handles the Hardware is the base one,not the emulated one.PSX and so on emulates the remote control cause Android base system knows the hardware and can interact with it (touch screen).
But thats my thought,maybe there is something else i dont know and it could work.
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Thanx for your feedback. I think you may have misunderstood me though. I understand that the drivers, classes, etc have changed since 2.1. My idea is to emulate the old kernel , api's and camera app from 2.1 onto 2.2 or 2.3. Basically writing an x10 2.1 rom emulator, which will only emulate 2.1 camera. It wouldnt emulate the entire 2.1 system.
Think of a neogeo emulator...you load in the neogeo bios and you load in the game rom. Hey presto, u have a neogeo on your mobile...well not really...just emulated..
In the idea i have of emulating the camera from 2.1:
Your bios rom = 2.1 kernel, camera api and x10 camera driver..
Your game rom = camera app from 2.1.....
However, when u would run the app everything would be built into it and u wouldnt have to specify anything. It would load up looking just like the camera app....
Kinda like Wine on linux but only intended for the camera....to save on resources.
Just an idea....
I dont know what would be easier or quicker - to emulate the camera from 2.1 or to rewrite the drive on 2.2/2.3....however, you may need to rewrite it 2.4, 2.5, etc....as api's are always changing. An emulated camera wouldnt need to be rewritten with each new android release. We will always have to wait for someone to rewrite drivers if not emulated.
What do you think? Just an idea....
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I Understand your idea mate,and im not saying its impossible, it might aswell be very possible and really apreciate your intention ,who knows ^^
But it doesnt sound like it would work for me,cause if its a hardware the base OS doesnt recognize,i doubt the emulated camera would work,cause when the emulation requests to contact the hardware to the base OS,it would just recieve a "unknown/incorrect request".Cause remember,emulations cannot direct-access the hardware,it first has to pass through the base OS.And thats why to emulate a machine as simple as the 33MHz PS1/PSX , you need at least 500MHz CPU to even try to run it,cause it cannot go to the CPU and simply do the chores.
Thats my point of view tho.
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Ah now that you mentioned Wine on Linux.
What happens when you try to play a 3D accelerated game on Wine that tries to access the Graphics Card and you havent installed the graphics card drivers on Linux?It would just fail cause the base OS , Linux doesnt understand what the Emulator is telling it.
EDIT: Also dont know if you know Compiz-fusion for linux (or Beryl),its a Window Manager that gives you alot of effects and stuff on windows and many things(search beryl on youtube) but if you dont have a graphics driver installed ,it would just say "Hardware Graphics Card not detected,it cannot continue" so obviously you cant use VMWare to create a virtual machine and emulate the drivers on that VM cause for it,it wouldnt even exist as "Unknown" ,it wouldnt even exist at all.
Hope that helps you understand it more.
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Ah now that you mentioned Wine on Linux.
What happens when you try to play a 3D accelerated game on Wine that tries to access the Graphics Card and you havent installed the graphics card drivers on Linux?It would just fail cause the base OS , Linux doesnt understand what the Emulator is telling it.
Hope that helps you understand it more.
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hmmm you may be right. what about virtual pc though? that is probably a better example. you can actually use hardware....for example, i could get a soundcard working properly on windows xp so i installed windows 98 via virtual pc....bingo, it worked....i could keep making music without buying another $1800 soundcard for ages.
therefore, have an app called "x10cam" which is emulates the 2.1 rom just like virtual pc....when you click on it, it would load emulate 2.1, but a completely cut down version with no apps, just the camera app and maybe even go straight into the camera app. on exit of the camera app, it quits the emulation and goes back to your 2.2/2.3 rom or home screen.
i dont know....sounds like it may work but might take some time...however, it may benefit in the long run though as the cam driver wont have to be rewritten each time of a new android release.
thanks for your replies too. i do appreciate it. someone may read this posts and come up with an alternate idea which would work
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EDIT: Also dont know if you know Compiz-fusion for linux (or Beryl),its a Window Manager that gives you alot of effects and stuff on windows and many things(search beryl on youtube) but if you dont have a graphics driver installed ,it would just say "Hardware Graphics Card not detected,it cannot continue" so obviously you cant use VMWare to create a virtual machine and emulate the drivers on that VM cause for it,it wouldnt even exist as "Unknown" ,it wouldnt even exist at all.
Hope that helps you understand it more.
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Thanks for mentioning Beryl, i actually wasnt aware of Beryl until you mentioned it. Much appreciated.
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hmmm you may be right. what about virtual pc though? that is probably a better example. you can actually use hardware....for example, i could get a soundcard working properly on windows xp so i installed windows 98 via virtual pc....bingo, it worked....i could keep making music without buying another $1800 soundcard for ages.
therefore, have an app called "x10cam" which is emulates the 2.1 rom just like virtual pc....when you click on it, it would load emulate 2.1, but a completely cut down version with no apps, just the camera app and maybe even go straight into the camera app. on exit of the camera app, it quits the emulation and goes back to your 2.2/2.3 rom or home screen.
i dont know....sounds like it may work but might take some time...however, it may benefit in the long run though as the cam driver wont have to be rewritten each time of a new android release.
thanks for your replies too. i do appreciate it. someone may read this posts and come up with an alternate idea which would work
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Well,creating a VM (Virtual Machine = Virtual PC) might be able to make it work if the developer of the base ROM can at least make the OS Recognize the camera and access it (eventhought no image cause of the 2.1+ incompability),yes that might be possible . But still gotta write at least some basic drivers for the Cam.Lets say for exemple Z's 2.2 might perfectly be able to do what you've said cause the OS has 100% access to the camera,but cannot camcord cause of the base OS but the emulated one might aswell.
Yes that is a good idea as long as at least basic drivers are written.
And about you beeing able to Virtual PC that sound card,means that the base OS could already access it but it just didnt know how (Its like when you go on "Device Manager" and you see your device in "other" and it says the name it just cannot correctly interact with it cause of limitations)
Eventhought a Virtual Machine on our 280Mb of RAM wouldnt go too smooth but yes its a very good possibility.
Respect mate
sounds like a good idea and it will work in HD with the nice SE user interface .... it may take a long time to boot into camera app.... but still better than switching between roms for camera....
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Well,creating a VM (Virtual Machine = Virtual PC) might be able to make it work if the developer of the base ROM can at least make the OS Recognize the camera and access it (eventhought no image cause of the 2.1+ incompability),yes that might be possible . But still gotta write at least some basic drivers for the Cam.Lets say for exemple Z's 2.2 might perfectly be able to do what you've said cause the OS has 100% access to the camera,but cannot camcord cause of the base OS but the emulated one might aswell.
Yes that is a good idea as long as at least basic drivers are written.
And about you beeing able to Virtual PC that sound card,means that the base OS could already access it but it just didnt know how (Its like when you go on "Device Manager" and you see your device in "other" and it says the name it just cannot correctly interact with it cause of limitations)
Eventhought a Virtual Machine on our 280Mb of RAM wouldnt go too smooth but yes its a very good possibility.
Respect mate
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Yes, you are right. The only issue I can see is that a VM for just the camera functions would have to be a VERY VERY cut down version of 2.1 due to the 280mb of RAM. Otherwise it would be so slow.
Thanks xtrmshadow for the positive feedback. Maybe somebody might use this thread as an idea for something.
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sounds like a good idea and it will work in HD with the nice SE user interface .... it may take a long time to boot into camera app.... but still better than switching between roms for camera....
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thanks hemo1001. much appreciated feedback.
that is my thought exactly, to prevent having to switch roms entirely just for the cam. also, if you think about a completely cutdown VM of 2.1 to access the cam, i dont think it would be cut down to only run what is necessary for the camera to function. I think it would be a better alternative than switching roms.
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Yes, you are right. The only issue I can see is that a VM for just the camera functions would have to be a VERY VERY cut down version of 2.1 due to the 280mb of RAM. Otherwise it would be so slow.
Thanks xtrmshadow for the positive feedback. Maybe somebody might use this thread as an idea for something.
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Agreed ^^ , Making a VM program for Android would be fairly easy as there are loads for Linux (VMWare,VirtualBox + more) and a very core version of 2.1 with only the necesary things for the task(No launcher,drivers for anything but camera,no apps etc).
Also i agree hemo1001 ,well said mate haha.
Hopefully someone that is very experienced with Android (Im only experienced on C++ and Hardware ><) takes a look into this and thinks about it ^^
Respect.
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Agreed ^^ , Making a VM program for Android would be fairly easy as there are loads for Linux (VMWare,VirtualBox + more) and a very core version of 2.1 with only the necesary things for the task(No launcher,drivers for anything but camera,no apps etc).
Also i agree hemo1001 ,well said mate haha.
Hopefully someone that is very experienced with Android (Im only experienced on C++ and Hardware ><) takes a look into this and thinks about it ^^
Respect.
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I hope so too mate. It would be great.
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the client on a vm depends on the hardware and drivers from the host. you can't emulate hardware on a client that doesn't work on a host.
At least we can emulate it in 2.2 freex10
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Using New Drivers
The cameras for the new sony models are different. But maybe there is a chance that
we can modify their libraries and use them on our phones.
I am not familiar with the camera libraries so I don't know how hard it is to modify the new libs in the xperia arc to match our hardware but it should be possible right?
i have read the complete discussion..phew...amazing amazing u guyz are u ll gave me a triggering pulse which straight away took me o my Embedded System Lectures from College..!!! Jokes apart i think the logic of Emulator is a better option as of now..atleast get a working camera..lets hope..all our experts are actually working hard hope for teh break through very soon..m not good with programming and stuff..so unfortunately i cannot even think but the whole logic behind Emulators was actually cleared after 2 yrs since i finished my Engineering in IT..lol..great stuff guyz..Proud to be on XDA since 5 yrs now sorry for going off topic..
camera - email.apk
hello,
i think since two month ago, if i write this or not ...
now, it's looking good for this information, but i dont know,
if this could help the camera-problem.
i'm working as an admin in a firma with some developers.
during android V1.6 - V2.1 we could sync exchange-server with no "device-limitation" by given all 5 minutes a device-code in.
since android V2.2 the email.apk changed very hard ... now we have to give all 5 minutes a device-code in. but the devices are not devices from the firma, so we dont sync anymore. but the info-lost is sometimes very critical.
one of our developers making an email.apk or find an email.apk with no exchange-securitas. the result was that barcodescanner and all other aps with camera inside dosnt work. although the camera.apk
now there is an email.apk outside with NO-EXCHANGE-Securitas and NO-Camera-PROBLEM.
i am glad to use the email.apk since 2 ore 3 weeks without any problems and securitas.
i dont belive that is only a driver/lib-problem because i used a htc leo and have the probs (and solution) that i above describes.
what i mean is, that could not only a driver-problem ... that could be a securitas-problem like ... "if you manipulate email than your cam doesnt work!"
i hope this is not for 1000% to trash and my bad english will automaticly changed to good-english by a developer with bad-english too (bad + bad = good
okokur
okokur, i didn't understand a thing you wrote but it was a very interesting read! i hope someone woth more knowledge picks it up.
this is a great thread guys, love your outside of the box thinking, brilliant!
sorry for going OT, best of luck, peace
Cool! The app works on Froyo & Gingerbread.. problem is in the drivers for the camera and kernel, which are being prioritized in jerpelea's gb build..
Imagine if something similar to virtualization took place at boot time?
anyone know of any full featured web browsers for hd2? I've searched google and can't find any that feel right.
post here the browsers that you use/have and their features. thanks
try UC Browser. I have used it for a while now and it totally replaced my opera app.
quitti said:
try UC Browser. I have used it for a while now and it totally replaced my opera app.
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There are also Netfront, Dorothy and Uzard.
altae said:
There are also Netfront, Dorothy and Uzard.
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I've tried dorothy and Uzard..
Generally Netfront isn't bad. The problem is it suffers from some strange out of memory error on certain pages. It's strange because in earlier versions (back in 2007/2008) this wasn't the case. But I think its worth a try nonetheless.
anyone know of any more? this can't be it
Hm I think that's it. I mean if you count them you will realise that you have the choice out of 6 different browsers. That's not really bad for a platform like Windows Mobile which isn't supported anymore.
Oh wait, we forgot opera mini. That would mean 7.
i wonder how Long until google chrome for winmo comes out?
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i wonder how Long until google chrome for winmo comes out?
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For Windows Mobile probably never. Development has more or less stopped since it's a dead os. Maybe for Windows Phone 7.
i wish they would put out an update for wm 6.5 -> 7
And I wish they would dispose of WP7 and restart to develop Windows Mobile.
amen to that one
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And I wish they would dispose of WP7 and restart to develop Windows Mobile.
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Microsoft won't ever go back
Windows mobile was very open as far as what you could run on it, making it difficult to lock it down like android, wp7 or ios.
These companies are interested in making people have to buy all software to run on the device from their store
That's why I wont get WP7. I mean I hate google but in the end android is the only os for smartphones that is at least open to some extent.
Q: New Problem with Opera 9.7 Accessing m.facebook.com
Opera 9.7 was included in the ROM that I'm currently using and has worked fine with everything, except for the mobile Facebook site (m.facebook.com) within the last 2 weeks (FB must be changing things again ).
It will not allow me to access anything except to update my own status. Clicking on any link to view comments, photos, etc. (whether they're friends or my own) results in an error message saying that the page is not accessible at the moment or I do not have the proper permissions. Is there another version of Opera that will work?
Internet Explorer works OK, but the font in the already small comments box is so freakin' tiny, it makes having to use it a total PITA. I've been using FIM v2.8 for mostly everything, but viewing photos on it is difficult (since the photo size is un-scalable) and I can't copy/paste with FIM.
Any help with a browser replacement (Opera upgrade?), that will make the mobile FB site usable for me again, will be greatly appreciated! [I despise the official FB application and avoid it like the plague. There's no chance they will ever improve it for Windows Mobile, anyway.]
EDIT: Downloaded Opera Mini 5 and Opera 10; decided to try Mini 1st... What an improvement! The FB mobile site now works as it should.
Haven't tried 10 yet, but didn't I read something somewhere that people found that the zoom bar no longer works in that version? I may give it a go at some point, but for right now, I'm happy with Mini 5!
Thanks everyone!
Debbie
Why don't you try the final release of Opera 10? Opera 9.7 is really outdated. OK, 10 is old too but it's as recent as it gets on WM.
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opera mini, the fastest & best websurfing software.