Dismayed to find my favorite torrent client gone. Any info on what happened? (I had problems with my rock solid version earlier in the week. Figured I'd do a reinstall.)
I would recommend an app called atorrent. It works better than a downloader IMO. it has a blue android as the icon..
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http://www.android-a.com/
Ttorrent is a good one to
TTorrent is the best
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gamepro602 said:
Ttorrent is a good one to
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prodyg said:
TTorrent is the best
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Speeds are terrible on my set up. I was easily hitting 800/900 using aDownloader with H+ on my N4 using ATT. With tTorrent I struggle to hit 300. Thoughts?
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http://www.android-a.com/
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mcluvin1065 said:
I would recommend an app called atorrent. It works better than a downloader IMO. it has a blue android as the icon..
Sent from my rooted, suited, and booted s3, living the dual core life, know dat.
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Tried the atorrent app, not my cup on tea. I did see the website for aDownloader but it still throws errors. Was the single best torrent client I've ever used, such a shame!!!
The app is on the market but thanks to Google and there bs new rules the new version is usless because you cannot access the torrents in the app. It simply opens the browser and shows you a search list of torrent websites. Here's the adownloader apk before they updated. Works great. Enjoy!
I can still see it, here is the link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.AndroidA.DroiDownloader
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Where to change the search link.?
CRXspeed said:
The app is on the market but thanks to Google and there bs new rules the new version is usless because you cannot access the torrents in the app. It simply opens the browser and shows you a search list of torrent websites. Here's the adownloader apk before they updated. Works great. Enjoy!
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Hi all. Old apk is working. One problem though. Some of the search engine links are dead. Anyone have a idea of how to change/update them in the app. So they work....Thanks.
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Teio said:
I can still see it, here is the link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.AndroidA.DroiDownloader
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This is the new version without search function. They put the app back on play store...ahrrr
pckarma112 said:
Hi all. Old apk is working. One problem though. Some of the search engine links are dead. Anyone have a idea of how to change/update them in the app. So they work....Thanks.
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This is the new version without search function. They put the app back on play store...ahrrr
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I'd suggest using aTorrent (or whatever else you can find that works) and another app for searching databases. i.e Pirate Bay Browser or something similar
Thanks, anyway.
Kraize said:
I'd suggest using aTorrent (or whatever else you can find that works) and another app for searching databases. i.e Pirate Bay Browser or something similar
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I've switched to the beta u torrent. Just Google my search's now. The old adownloader crashed my stick yesterday. Was 90 percent done with a torrent when the stick just froze. After a reboot, the torrent files were gone. That's enough for me. Utorrent does not have much settings to tinker with and I do not get near the download speed I did with adownloader. But its stable. A torrent was not to my likeing.
adownlader site now offline...
Post necro... But does anyone have a recent version of the apk they can pm a link for?
I have a outdated version and most of the search functionality is borked...
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That's right friends, if you've been holding out on the Tapatalk app to become free somewhere, you're in luck. Today (I'm not sure and I think today only), Tapatalk is free.
This will allow the users of the free xda many new features, browsing multiple forums, and all free (p.s. you can thank people with this version)
Sadly, it requires you to download the getjar market app to install, but thats just a minute long irratation, nothing major. So for all those who want it, get it now!!
Sent from my TapaTalk Premium app I got for free thanks to getjar!!!
I have used tapatalk since I bought my phone and love it....thanks for letting everyone else know!
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Ya I got this app a long time ago. I love it. And if its free everyone that doesn't have it should jump to this. Its a great program and can be used with tons of forums.
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Looked for it everywhere and could not find out, anyone want to point me in the right direction?
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cfowler232411 said:
Looked for it everywhere and could not find out, anyone want to point me in the right direction?
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You can get it here http://www.getjar.com/mobile/237628...m3c61g4pehi357oa&c=gmtpo36cl7chntca13&lang=en
It's been a while since I've used getjar but I believe you need the getjar app to actually download.
Just downloaded Tapatalk (thanks for the heads up) and I must say, having your xda, sdx, mikmik, n Android central forums all in one place is awesome.
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rhodiggah said:
Just downloaded Tapatalk (thanks for the heads up) and I must say, having your xda, sdx, mikmik, n Android central forums all in one place is awesome.
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Yep, I'm loving that too, yay for free apps. I was waiting for this free somewhere. I didn't want to steal, so I just used the xda free instead. But now I feel a little bad. Xda was getting monthly revenue for server upkeep and now that I got this free, no one is getting the money they deserve. When I get some more money, I might buy this to support the dev.
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Yep, I'm loving that too, yay for free apps. I was waiting for this free somewhere. I didn't want to steal, so I just used the xda free instead. But now I feel a little bad. Xda was getting monthly revenue for server upkeep and now that I got this free, no one is getting the money they deserve. When I get some more money, I might buy this to support the dev.
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Its well worth the money. I purchased it back in the day and I've got every penny worth
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crump84 said:
Its well worth the money. I purchased it back in the day and I've got every penny worth
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Thanks for the hot tip, this is a great app. How do I find the download to save it in case I flash another Rom ?
goReproduceYourself said:
Thanks for the hot tip, this is a great app. How do I find the download to save it in case I flash another Rom ?
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I was wondering the same thing, first time using tapatalk & its a time saver from switching between forum apps
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goReproduceYourself said:
Thanks for the hot tip, this is a great app. How do I find the download to save it in case I flash another Rom ?
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You don't need to save the download.. You can back it up with an app like Titanium Backup or send the apk to your dropbox..
Not very familiar with dropbox, little bit more info would help. Thanks in advance
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Helpful?
cfowler232411 said:
Not very familiar with dropbox, little bit more info would help. Thanks in advance
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You have two options, 1. titanium backup, which stores the app and all its data on the sdcard for immediate restore. What crump told you to do was to make this backup and place it on dropbox. Dropbox is a free (for 2gb, upgradeable with offers to 8gb) file hosting server. It works as a folder in windows, linux, mac, that you can drag and drop files to and have them synced to any of these devices at once. Great for vacation files, and keeping track of important files (like the tapatalk backup for instance) If you want to try this out, sign up with this: http://db.tt/8SjkWkMO (if you use this, give both me and you an extra 250 mb to our accounts free )
2. Use a backup app (such as astro file manager) the advantage to this method is you can install this file again without root, the downside is you don't keep your data, just the app itself, so you'd have to login everytime you changed roms. But again, no need for root, like if you upgrade to an unrootable device. This backup can also be stored on dropbox if you so choose.
Hope this helps
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You have two options, 1. titanium backup, which stores the app and all its data on the sdcard for immediate restore. What crump told you to do was to make this backup and place it on dropbox. Dropbox is a free (for 2gb, upgradeable with offers to 8gb) file hosting server. It works as a folder in windows, linux, mac, that you can drag and drop files to and have them synced to any of these devices at once. Great for vacation files, and keeping track of important files (like the tapatalk backup for instance) If you want to try this out, sign up with this: http://db.tt/8SjkWkMO (if you use this, give both me and you an extra 250 mb to our accounts free )
2. Use a backup app (such as astro file manager) the advantage to this method is you can install this file again without root, the downside is you don't keep your data, just the app itself, so you'd have to login everytime you changed roms. But again, no need for root, like if you upgrade to an unrootable device. This backup can also be stored on dropbox if you so choose.
Hope this helps
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It most def helped, really appreciate the help chief. Good look
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Why, when I try to download it, does it tell me that it won't work for an Evo Shift?
linuxman008 said:
That's right friends, if you've been holding out on the Tapatalk app to become free somewhere, you're in luck. Today (I'm not sure and I think today only), Tapatalk is free.
This will allow the users of the free xda many new features, browsing multiple forums, and all free (p.s. you can thank people with this version)
Sadly, it requires you to download the getjar market app to install, but thats just a minute long irratation, nothing major. So for all those who want it, get it now!!
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Still free today
After I tried the link my man crump84 put up It directed me to the site I proceeded to Dl and a window popped up asking my phone make and model then after I selected my phone it didnt do jack Wth?
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So if I go to that link do I also get an additional 250mb?
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After I tried the link my man crump84 put up It directed me to the site I proceeded to Dl and a window popped up asking my phone make and model then after I selected my phone it didnt do jack Wth?
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So if I go to that link do I also get an additional 250mb?
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Yeah, if you soon up with that link, you'll get 2.25 gb instead of 2 gb free and it'll give me an extra 250 mb.
And for your earlier problem, did you download the getjar market apk, then install Tapatalk with that? You can only get those getjar gold apps (that's what the apps are free through) for free with the getjar market apk.
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Thanx im bout to do it now. I thought I had to do it thru my pc searching market now for getjar
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umm is getjar a browser? when i search getjar in the market a skyfire web browser pops up
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Thanx im bout to do it now. I thought I had to do it thru my pc searching market now for getjar
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umm is getjar a browser? when i search getjar in the market a skyfire web browser pops up
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Yeah, google won't put alternate markets in theirs for download. Makes it harder for their competion to get noticed. You have to get the apk from getjar. Just select tapatalk from their website and when you try and download it, it makes you download the getjar apk first. Then you can use that to get tapatalk with.
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Can someone get me the mikmik.apk? Seems like its incompatible with ics but I know it will work
Oh... I probably should've thought before I posted... Mods are gonna flip at this.
Evo 3d FTW
nobody can just pull their copy of themikmik forums and post it here?
Evo 3d FTW
Unfortunatelly I seem to be not allowed to post links to outside the forum. However, querying Google for
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returned a link titled
File MikMik.apk free download from mediafire.com. Only direct ...
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to bergfiles, hosting the app somewhere towards the bottom of the first result page. I haven't bothered to give it a try but is it what you're looking for?
kiewee3 said:
nobody can just pull their copy of themikmik forums and post it here?
Evo 3d FTW
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It's in the Play Store... For free.
Did you even TRY looking there?
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It's in the Play Store... For free.
Did you even TRY looking there?
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When I said its incompatible with ics, I mean i couldn't download it from the play store
Evo 3d FTW
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Unfortunatelly I seem to be not allowed to post links to outside the forum. However, querying Google for
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returned a link titled
to bergfiles, hosting the app somewhere towards the bottom of the first result page. I haven't bothered to give it a try but is it what you're looking for?
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I tried that. I couldn't download it using my phone.. maybe if I try downloading it from my computer
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It's in the Play Store... For free.
Did you even TRY looking there?
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No, it's not in the play store if you're running ICS, most likely because it is not listed as compatible. However, the apps often work fine anyway.
It's the same for "LBE Privacy Guard" for example, you will only find it in the market for Android 2.X devices but not on Honeycomb or ICS. If you get the apk, however, it installs and runs fine on all devices.
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kiewee3 said:
I tried that. I couldn't download it using my phone.. maybe if I try downloading it from my computer
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I just gave it a try, downloads fine on my linux machine.
On my phone, I usually use Dolphin browser but I also do have Firefox Mobile installed. Although Firefox is fairly slow and I prefer to use Dolphin for my main browsing activity, it usually is able to display/do most of the stuff that the other browsers have problems with. So whenever I get graphical glitches, unresponsive links, failed downloads, etc. I usually give it a try on Firefox. Maybe that might work for you, too.
the free version is in my rom.
Hahaha That file from Media Fire wasn't even the actual application. I'll just nand back to gingerbread (a long task for s-on...) then copy the apk to my sdcard. Unless someone else can just post their .apk real quick?
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could you post it? or PM me it?
Well I am starting this Thread for users to add useful APPs that they have found to improve their Nook hd and hd plus tablets. Here is the download
amazon market, Adobe Flashplayer. Feel free to add your own that way we don't have to Google our hands off searching for every little APK to improve our tablet.:good:
Seriously you guys can add apps at anytime just by hitting reply I found those two, now if you guys have any other apps that you find useful feel free to add them so other people can find them useful as well.
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Seriously you guys can add apps at anytime just by hitting reply I found those two, now if you guys have any other apps that you find useful feel free to add them so other people can find them useful as well.
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I don't understand what you are getting at, I have sideloaded 25+ apps on my Nook HD and I havent had a problem yet?
Are you asking people to post working .apks? Cause thats a long, long list...
I just use Astro File manager (anything that backs up apps would work) on my phone, drag the .apks to my computer and sideload them via adb to my Nook HD... Takes a little longer than downloading .apks from some site, but this way they are directly from the play store.
Ok That's great that you have found a way to easily install apk files to your nook, yes, my intention was to get a long list of apps that work nook that way future users don't have to scour the internet searching for apps. I understand your point, I know some people don't see the logic in helping others, I get that. I am sorry you don't understand good natured intent.
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Games
Max payne, World of goo, need 4 speed most wanted, shadow gun dead zone, contre jour, lad
Apps
4 shared, Pulse, flipbook, chrome, songza, xda premium hd
Didn't work
Nova 3, dead space, backstab
Not sure if this is what you meant but this is what I found so far.
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@boombox, yes that's exactly what I meant.
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I did not mean any discontent, I just thought it would be a long list of apps to post all working apps. Maybe we should post not working apps instead... We should assume that most apps will work.
codya321 said:
I did not mean any discontent, I just thought it would be a long list of apps to post all working apps. Maybe we should post not working apps instead... We should assume that most apps will work.
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Yeah most apps that I've tried worked except for a handful. Even though the market sometimes says device isn't compatable I download them from another source and the run fine most of the time. List would be neater with apps that don't work for it.
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codya321 said:
I did not mean any discontent, I just thought it would be a long list of apps to post all working apps. Maybe we should post not working apps instead... We should assume that most apps will work.
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You may have a good point there, also if the latest version of an app doesn't work see if we can try older versions to see if those work sometimes older versions can be compatible while newer versions are not.
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Nova 3 plays fine for me.
thankyou
thanks, done it , works fine!
Nice idea, should save time, LOL, I just put flash on my HD, if I'd have seen this thread earlier it would have been easier and quicker.
adventures of tintin doesn't wrk on nook hd+
I side loaded it' it opens up and then says device isn't compatible. Any suggestions?
What do you mean by "side loading" because side loading means using ADB to push install apk files. You have to have your nook rooted, and have flashed the zip that gives you the ability to install from unknown sources. If you are trying to flash it, through CWM, that won't work on this tablet. All you have to do is install it as you would any other apk file that you have downloaded no need to "side load"
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I am getting my hd+ in a week or 2 but this manga reading app will definitely be the first one on for me
http://www.manga-watcher.com/
Useful thread. Can anybody link me a Nook reader apk that runs on CM11 please?
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Bossk128 said:
Useful thread. Can anybody link me a Nook reader apk that runs on CM11 please?
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Have you tried the one available from 1mobile.com?
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leapinlar said:
Have you tried the one available from 1mobile.com?
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I have now, and it appears to work. I did have to install the 1mobile market app first, but I've since removed it.
Cheers leapinlar, appreciated.
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Masterface7 said:
I am getting my hd+ in a week or 2 but this manga reading app will definitely be the first one on for me
Does this use any kind of panel view like you would find on comixology
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Masterface7 said:
I am getting my hd+ in a week or 2 but this manga reading app will definitely be the first one on for me
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Sorry for the repost but i messed up my last one so my question again is does this use a panel view in the manner of comixology
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Blergatron9000 said:
Masterface7 said:
I am getting my hd+ in a week or 2 but this manga reading app will definitely be the first one on for me
Does this use any kind of panel view like you would find on comixology
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Sorry for the repost but i messed up my last one so my question again is does this use a panel view in the manner of comixology
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Hi, I have never used comixology but from what i understand it tries to do specialized zooming from panel to panel as you said, I am not sure if it is preset by the authors or if it tries to use a algorithm to decide it, anyway non of that really matters, no manga watcher just show full pages on screen and you can choose zoom width, zoom height, of zoom page. it also has the option for dual pane in landscape. I will say it is one of the smoothest comic readers i have used almost as good as komik. Again thoughit doesn't do any speical zooming from panel to panel and i honestly think that might be choreographed by a person on comixology.
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When I try to install it, Play Store gives a message that it is not compatible with my device. Does anyone have it available for Sideload?
Tiezane said:
When I try to install it, Play Store gives a message that it is not compatible with my device. Does anyone have it available for Sideload?
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I got this link from the Note 2 Forum on this site. I have yet to test it, but I have a rooted Nexus 7 and I get the same incompatibility message.
http://d-h.st/sEw
I'm literally downloading this as I type. I will reply with my results.
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Wow it works. This is way better than using the Phone version. I can't wait to get home and hook it up to my home network and really try it out.
I used the iPad DirecTv app and it is great.
Special thanks to runandhide05 for posting the APK.
Worked awesome, thank you!
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Tried it but the app wouldn't launch after choosing which show I wanted to view online. Any ideas?
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It's been a little laggy for me. What Rom are you running? I was running it under PA 2.99.
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I'm running cm 10.1 nightly. Maybe that's the problem. Will go b back to shnizoid ROM to give it a try.
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Droid life released the app for s voice on the s4 from the system dump: http://www.droid-life.com/2013/03/26/download-new-s-voice-from-the-galaxy-s4/
It works great except for in driving mode if you try to navigate it will force close.
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Thanks for showing this. In downloading now!
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Just DL'ed it. Gonna try it out today.
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location settings is way off. I'm asking where restaurants are near me Anna keeps giving me restaurants near my work. If I ask where I am it tells me I'm at my office 15 miles away. I uninstalled the update. Went back to original settings. Re ask the same questions and got the same results. I checked Google now and it worked flawlessly from my exact location. S voice needs a lot of work.
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Just DL'ed it. Gonna try it out today.
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location settings is way off. I'm asking where restaurants are near me Anna keeps giving me restaurants near my work. If I ask where I am it tells me I'm at my office 15 miles away. I uninstalled the update. Went back to original settings. Re ask the same questions and got the same results. I checked Google now and it worked flawlessly from my exact location. S voice needs a lot of work.
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You're also running an apk not made for your device. It may depend on other apps/resources that you don't have installed.
I'm a big s-voice hater, but I don't think you can judge the new version based on what you have.
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The only thing I want to try is the new keyboard.
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The only thing I want to try is the new keyboard.
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Agreed, I also want to try that out
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doesnt work for me, it just says "no network connection" does anyone have the stock SVoice APK?
vmahendra98 said:
doesnt work for me, it just says "no network connection" does anyone have the stock SVoice APK?
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Samsung turned off their server for the new site voice, they did a similar thing when the s3
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I can confirm that Samsung turned off the server because I had it on my S3 over a week ago and it worked. They got wind it was being used and pulled the plug til release.
Any word on new camera apk and keyboard apk also would love to c eye scroll on our beloved note 2
spiderbolt said:
Any word on new camera apk and keyboard apk also would love to c eye scroll on our beloved note 2
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I saw a thread that had the keyboard apk, just search for s4. I would do it to post the link but I'm on my phone and we all know how useful the search function is on the app
EDIT: I forgot I bookmarked it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39596820
Nothing beats Google Now!
Mine stopped working also does anyone know how to get the old s voice back
timmyd463229 said:
Mine stopped working also does anyone know how to get the old s voice back
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If you would read the few posts of this thread, samsung turned off the server. To get the old one back re flash your rom.
BoostedB18C said:
If you would read the few posts of this thread, samsung turned off the server. To get the old one back re flash your rom.
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I did read that and I have flashed from beans build 11 to 12 and I still have the s4 s voice
Should be able to just pull the old apk from another Rom, uninstall the current one and install the Note 2 version.
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Nate14 said:
Should be able to just pull the old apk from another Rom, uninstall the current one and install the Note 2 version.
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Thank you.... How do I pull the apk from a rom though not sure how to do that