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*update, the conclusion is that the current software is useless and as of the ppc6800 and the following HTC models, the IRDA port is either crap or non-existent, for that reason I am building a powered, universal adapter to turn any phone into a remote*
hello. first off, yes I know there are old threads about this, but they are dead and had a different take on this topic. I am looking to know if anyone has gotten any tv remote control software working on the mogul. I don't care about the distance so I dont want to hear about how the mogul is ill-equipped to do this, I just want to know what software works as I will use\make a IR repeater\booster that will give me all the range I need.
I have tried the following software
1-PDAWin tv remote controller simply crashes when I press any button
2- noviiRemote is not compatible with our IR
3- RemoteControl II v.2.12 stays it is incompatible with our processor and for that reason, it turns off the IR access... but the rest of the software works ??? odd
4- UniversalRemoteCE 4.0 Tested by wagonis, froze his phone with every try
5- Total Remote does not work, freezes when I try to record a signal.
Untested
6- UltraMote
can't find
7- VITO remote
so to recap. Has anyone found a working software? I will give a free IR booster\repeater to anyone who can point me to a proper and working programmable universal remote control software that works over IR and not the web (or even better, anyone who can get PDAWin tv remote working )
thanks.
Honestly, I've tried 4 different softwares from that list and none worked, if anything they kept crashing my phone...so I gave up before I caused any damage to my phone. If you figure out which one works though, please list it, I'd like to know and try it.
can I know which was teh 4th that did not work so I can update my list please?
UniversalRemoteCE 4.0 froze up my phone every time I tried to use it
Many have tried. I am pretty sure no one has succeeded.
in my best Airplane - The Movie voice
"good luck, we're all counting on you"
my best suggestion is to buy an older known compatible phone with stronger irda
i looked into it a bit ago and came up with a good solution and found two of the phones on ebay for $20...but never bought them
i know it would be convenient to use our daily cell for this feature...but its an uphill battle
dont give up...lol
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Since the whole software thing does not seem to work... I am going to set out on making my own! My goal is to make a universal-universal remote app; even cross-platform, and the way I will do this is with external hardware. Since most new phones do not have a good IR port, I will make an external IR port that plugs into phones, mark my words!
I will keep people up to date on this
I'll subscribe to this thread to keep tabs on this. Good luck.
Well I am very excited to say that things are moving along nicely. Unfortunately, my local electronics supply shop (that is actually worth going to) is closed during weekends since its a small business who's main clients are engineering students during the year . This means that My full prototype (with range booster) will have to wait, but the basic premise is working, and, depending on my schedule, I should have a working prototype soon. I have already gotten in contact with a few chinese companies to compare the price of production of the modules.
well, the project is coming along well, but I need some input from the community. 1 is a note, 2 is the important question.
1- the software will be open source. The exact format still has to be determined, but the main lead right now is java so that i can be universal for all phones (except the Iphone that will need its own app).
2- Should it be powered or not? The module is coming along well, but I need some input. If it is powered, I have to make the tough decision between having the ext-usb plug sticking out on the edge of the board, meaning you have a 9v battery dangling from your phone or a short cable (1-2 feet) that plugs in the ext-usb port and the module rests next to you. What is the best route for this? (Ideally I would love bluetooth, but I do not have the electronic know-how for this)
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well, the project is coming along well, but I need some input from the community. 1 is a note, 2 is the important question.
1- the software will be open source. The exact format still has to be determined, but the main lead right now is java so that i can be universal for all phones (except the Iphone that will need its own app).
2- Should it be powered or not? The module is coming along well, but I need some input. If it is powered, I have to make the tough decision between having the ext-usb plug sticking out on the edge of the board, meaning you have a 9v battery dangling from your phone or a short cable (1-2 feet) that plugs in the ext-usb port and the module rests next to you. What is the best route for this? (Ideally I would love bluetooth, but I do not have the electronic know-how for this)
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Why not make all? Powered and not. Corded and not. Are you encasing the electronics? If just for the Mogul how 'bout a phone case type add on putting the IR port on the right end of the phone while you're at it so we don't have to rotate our screens? That being said, with the Mogul getting dated, how 'bout for newer phones lacking IR ports all together like the touch pro and touch pro 2? Oh, maybe someone could help you out with bluetooth.
Well its not just for the mogul, it is going to work universally for all HTC phones and will be one little tweak away from working with other phones.
As far as corded or not, I think I will make it non corded and then you can just add it. It will cost a few cents extra but save alot on production costs of 2 different modules (if I go with powered, unpowered can easily be both).
The reason I am not doing powered and unpowered is that the powered requires a case and a battery and starts getting a little big (the size of half a thumb approximately), while the unpowered one is about 0.5mmx0.5mm. Also, making the powered one requires a much greater production cost as it would be made in china because if I make it myself, the powered one would be about 4 inches by 2 inches as I can't make the small traces myself, many of the parts are hard to come by and suftace mount is hard to do.
The reason that none of the programs work is because they require raw IR port access, not the IRDA protocol.
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The reason that none of the programs work is because they require raw IR port access, not the IRDA protocol.
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Thats ok, this is a hardware\software combination so the IR will work.
I think I love you man. I've been looking for this since before I got my Mogul in my hands.
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I think I love you man. I've been looking for this since before I got my Mogul in my hands.
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lol I hear ya. Everything is being delayed because the store I usually go to was selling IR LEDs for 4 bucks and they don't specify voltage so I had to order some online. I just need to get that stupid LED so that I can be done with the hardware and get working on the software.
I am still waiting on those diodes. I bought molding and casting material so that our IR emitters will look better than a loose set or components soldered on an extusb port
Anyone going to china who can buy ExtUSB ports for 50 cents with the breakout port? I got that quote from a company but I don't like sending unsecured payments and 10$ per extusb port + breakout board is going to make it pretty expensive for us. If so, let me know, I would like to buy a batch.
thanks.
since our device will work on many phones, instead of creating threads in every forum of every device, we decided to opt for a twitter account where we will keep everyone up to date on this project.
Spread the word!
http://twitter.com/wrctweets
Found this thread searching for a Bluetooth to IR converter, so I could use my Rhodium as a universal remote.
I was wondering... since all modern smartphones have Bluetooth, why not make a powered BT -> IR converter, which uses the HID standard? Since most phones have a HID application already (my old SE K750i could be used to control my desktop computer with HID), you don't need a lot of development on the phones itself. You'd need a way to program the conversion table (key 5 -> send PLAY IR sequence), I guess. You could then have a simple HID remote on simple phones or a full blown custom skinnable remote on a WVGA smartphone.
It would really be nice to have a Philips Pronto (or similar) universal remote where you can operate all sorts of equipment.
unfortunately, working with bluetooth at that level would be well beyond my expertise and bring the cost up $$$$$ because of the low volume of production. Also, making the drivers for this would be much harder and way to phone-specific, killing the intent of this device. Also, the way this works, it should work with any standard IR device.
I have a p4000 and am upgrading to a touch pro2, when I upgrade again in 2 years, I don't want to have to start the project over .
Finally, bluetooth device = more components = bulkier and = batteries!
I am getting back home late tonight and I will get back to work on the project (got the LEDs the day I was leaving).
ps. I do appreciate all feedback and comments.
thank you
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unfortunately, working with bluetooth at that level would be well beyond my expertise and bring the cost up $$$$$ because of the low volume of production. Also, making the drivers for this would be much harder and way to phone-specific, killing the intent of this device. Also, the way this works, it should work with any standard IR device.
I have a p4000 and am upgrading to a touch pro2, when I upgrade again in 2 years, I don't want to have to start the project over .
Finally, bluetooth device = more components = bulkier and = batteries!
I am getting back home late tonight and I will get back to work on the project (got the LEDs the day I was leaving).
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sorry for being off topic, but do you know when the touch pro 2 is coming out in Canada ? And who's gonna get it telus, roger, fido or bell ?? (hope this is coming to Telus)
hehe, its out with telus waiting for mine in the mail now!
Inbound Ir
Will your Module accept inbound ir transfer? I am using a polar hr monitor that uses ir to download files to my phone. I've been looking for an upgrade option with ir without success. If your module will work, this is great news. Keep up the good work.
Dear XDA people,
I have not found any conclusive topic on whether it's possible (or is already done) to enable USB audio output (to a DAC obviously) on the SGS2. Some shreds of relevant topics have crossed my path, but they all either died out or were for different models.
So: What is the status? What's the roadblock? Is there in fact already a rom/kernel which has this enabled?
Thanks
edit: There's a feature request on the Android project page, but I can't link to it due to <10 posts. The title is: Issue 24614: Enable USB audio on the Galaxy Nexus (or any Android 4.0 device)
Not currently possible & unlikely to be on the SGS2 tbh. Devs who have been asked to have a look at it have gone 'nup' & don't have the time/inclination to work on it (blame Samsung).
Only chance of it happening would be to code it yourself or for a dev who actually wants to use that functionality themselves to have a go at it. People have started threads on here where people have pledged X amount of $ if a dev can get this working, but these threads fall off the radar due to lack of interest fairly quickly & there have been no takers on the dev side.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
Right, that's sad to hear. No developers who want this? Strange... thought they'd be interested in getting the best possible out of the hardware available.
Guess I'll wait for future models then. Thanks for the clarification.
From the comments I've seen from the devs who have been asked, it's a case of not having to mess around with/spend a lot of time dealing with Samsung's ****ty closed source drivers etc. Take CM9 as an example, those guys have been doing that since the first ICS leaks were released late last yr & frankly I don't blame them for being fed up.
Most people don't realise exactly how much work goes into making things work on a custom rom (a real one; not a winzip job like 80% of 'roms' on here), getting this to work would not be a walk in the park.
And the other thing is many (most) people also have a dedicated media player which puts out much better sound than the SGS2 anyways.
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Right, that's sad to hear. No developers who want this? Strange... thought they'd be interested in getting the best possible out of the hardware available.
Guess I'll wait for future models then. Thanks for the clarification.
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Yeah don't get me wrong -- I appreciate the work that goes into messing with this stuff (especially the process of discovering how it actually works, the reverse engineering of sorts). I just thought that this was a pretty big feature to have and was surprised there was so little to find about it.
And yeah, I also have a better media player (Cowon D2), but the integration into a single device is the attractive part obviously, and unfortunately the SGS2 doesn't have the good audio chip that the SGS1 does have (Stupid Samsung).
Yep using the Yamaha chip in the SGS2 was a puzzling move given how universally praised the sound quality was on the SGS, and made even more puzzling by Samsung going back to a Wolfson chip on the SGS3. A moment of madness perhaps. Every review of the SGS3 I've read so far has said the sound quality is very good.
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And yeah, I also have a better media player (Cowon D2), but the integration into a single device is the attractive part obviously, and unfortunately the SGS2 doesn't have the good audio chip that the SGS1 does have (Stupid Samsung).
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And the other thing is many (most) people also have a dedicated media player which puts out much better sound than the SGS2 anyways.
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And that is exactly the reason why this feature should be enabled
There are quite a few people who enjoy high quality portable audio. Many of them use portable headphone amplifiers as standard headphone outputs on devices are quite often unable to properly drive high(er) end headphones. Many of these portable headphone amplifiers also have an USB DAC on board for use with a computer.
Being able to use USB Audio out on your phone would mean one less device to lug around. The quality of the Android devices audio components would no longer matter, as the external DAC/Amplifier would take over their function.
Just imagine, no more worries about what DAC is put in a phone, as you would be free to choose your own external DAC.
Galaxy S3 can do it, some tablets can do it, so hopefully someone will be inspired to make this happen on the S2 and other devices.
I hear the arguments & agree with you (I personally would use it), but it's very unlikely to happen for the SGS2. Samsung have made it very very difficult to do by way of the Yamaha sound chip & their ****ty closed source drivers/firmware, and devs who have been asked so far have looked at it & gone 'Nup'.
So, as I said in my post above, unless you find a dev with a fair bit of time on their hands who actually wants to use this themselves, it probably won't happen.
Edit - @Coop: Have a look at this post by Entropy in the CM9 thread re: proprietary code/the crap devs have to deal with. Just to give you a bit of background as to why the devs who have been asked to date have all said no.
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And that is exactly the reason why this feature should be enabled
There are quite a few people who enjoy high quality portable audio. Many of them use portable headphone amplifiers as standard headphone outputs on devices are quite often unable to properly drive high(er) end headphones. Many of these portable headphone amplifiers also have an USB DAC on board for use with a computer.
Being able to use USB Audio out on your phone would mean one less device to lug around. The quality of the Android devices audio components would no longer matter, as the external DAC/Amplifier would take over their function.
Just imagine, no more worries about what DAC is put in a phone, as you would be free to choose your own external DAC.
Galaxy S3 can do it, some tablets can do it, so hopefully someone will be inspired to make this happen on the S2 and other devices.
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First off, apologies if this is not in the correct forum, I'm not sure if this is device specific or not...
I have 2 phones. An AT&T Galaxy S5 and a Samsung ATIV S Neo running Windows Phone 8.1 Developer Preview. The one feature I absolutely love about the Neo is the ability to read and respond to SMS over bluetooth in the 3 vehicles I own... they are:
2014 Chevrolet Impala LT with MyLink (no Nav)
2013 Chevrolet Camaro SS (with Mylink and Nav)
2012 Chevrolet Traverse (no MyLink or Nav)
On what I am guessing is the MAP part of Bluetooth, my Windows Phone works with each vehicle flawlessly to receive and respond to SMS. I can't say the same for my S5 (which by the way, is rooted, running SafeStrap, and running Alliance ROM so that I can have Car Mode, which AT&T saw fit to remove out of their version). I can only get the S5 to work correctly with the Traverse, which also happens to be the oldest vehicle. I have yet to find a 3rd party app that might be able to get around this.
It is beyond frustrating that a 2014 device such as the S5 does not work with vehicles that are relatively new in this regard. Is this true of all 2014 devices? I wish there was an easy way to find out. Most car manufacturers and even aftermarket ones don't even list any 2014 devices as being compatible with them... I know it might sound like nitpicking, but a phone (the Neo) that was released almost a full year ago works fine across all my vehicles... am I missing something here?
And yes, the new thing with Android and vehicle integration is all well and good, but probably won't be able to see that in action for what.. another year at least?
UPDATE: I have since moved on from the S5 and have tried an HTC One M8, and a LG G3, both with similar issues. I have found an app called Robin that kind of worked on the G3, and another called SMS, My Car and Me (SMS+Car) that sort of works on the M8. The M8's own car mode works best but far from perfect. Voice recognition is not good, and has an issue quite similar to responding to sms and emails on Android Wear devices. It gives you absolutely no time to pause before sending, but in the case of the M8, the window to respond is way too short.
Thoughts? Opinions? Advice?
So no one has a clue.. Am I asking this on the right forum? Am I phrasing the question wrong or something? Why can't anyone answer or offer any insight on this? A little help here please?
Hi there,
I hope I'm posting this request in the right section.
I have recently bought myself an Xtrons TD730a Double Din Head Unit, I would post a link to it but unfortunately I am unable to as the forum won't let me. You should be able to find the unit in question with the help of google though.
On the whole I've been pretty happy with the device. The main downside I have discovered though is that it appears to be running a rather cut down version of Android 4.1
It is unable to communicate with my Bluetooth OBDII device, which having read through a few of the other threads on here seems to be a common issue with many of the Android Car Headunits.
The other, more annoying issue I've noticed is that when I am streaming music from my home server over 3G, it doesn't seem to support gapless playback when changing to the next track or Audio Chaining or whatever it is known as. I use exactly the same apps and set up on my LG G3 and gapless playback works fine on that.
From what I can gather, the necessary APIs to support Audio Chaining were added in to Android API Level 16 which was introduced around the time of Android 4.1 so this Headunit should support it.
I'm wondering, if the Headunit is running a rather cutdown version of 4.1, is it possible that Audio Chaining support has somehow not been added to it's supported APIs?
Is there a way I can check if this is the case? And if so, can I get them added in somehow? I'm guessing that a good place to start would be if there is a root method available for this device?
I hope it was OK to post these questions here. Please let me know if I should have posted them elsewhere.
Cheers,
Jim
jim1985 said:
Hi there,
I hope I'm posting this request in the right section.
I have recently bought myself an Xtrons TD730a Double Din Head Unit, I would post a link to it but unfortunately I am unable to as the forum won't let me. You should be able to find the unit in question with the help of google though.
On the whole I've been pretty happy with the device. The main downside I have discovered though is that it appears to be running a rather cut down version of Android 4.1
It is unable to communicate with my Bluetooth OBDII device, which having read through a few of the other threads on here seems to be a common issue with many of the Android Car Headunits.
The other, more annoying issue I've noticed is that when I am streaming music from my home server over 3G, it doesn't seem to support gapless playback when changing to the next track or Audio Chaining or whatever it is known as. I use exactly the same apps and set up on my LG G3 and gapless playback works fine on that.
From what I can gather, the necessary APIs to support Audio Chaining were added in to Android API Level 16 which was introduced around the time of Android 4.1 so this Headunit should support it.
I'm wondering, if the Headunit is running a rather cutdown version of 4.1, is it possible that Audio Chaining support has somehow not been added to it's supported APIs?
Is there a way I can check if this is the case? And if so, can I get them added in somehow? I'm guessing that a good place to start would be if there is a root method available for this device?
I hope it was OK to post these questions here. Please let me know if I should have posted them elsewhere.
Cheers,
Jim
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Even though its an 7 inch screen it is the same as the AN21 head unit internally. So it doesnt support obdll over bluetooth. Try getting the wifi version that it works. Try the same rooting method as that head unit.
@ little off topic question
Im sorry I do not have the information on that for you but it shocked me when you said that it didn't work with your phone over bluetooth . I was thinking about buying this model and want to make sure that the Bluetooth is able to stream my music and also make phone calls from the dash !? Is that possible with this unit ?
Another question I had is about the sound quality
The watts are not listed online so does it get loud and clear or do you need an amp with this unit
Again sorry I couldn't help ( sorry for asking a bunch if random stuff )
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Even though its an 7 inch screen it is the same as the AN21 head unit internally. So it doesnt support obdll over bluetooth. Try getting the wifi version that it works. Try the same rooting method as that head unit.
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Thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction :good:
I've had a good read through the AN21 head unit thread. I've ended up upgrading the system software to version 2.8.3 and I've also managed to root the device.
The result is now that I am able to play my music over 3G without there being any annoying gaps between each track.
As you've mentioned, it still doesn't support OBDII over bluetooth and this does turn out to be a hardware issue rather than a software issue. In fact, the software itself does clearly support OBDII over bluetooth, it's just the hardware version of my bluetooth controller that doesn't support it.
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Im sorry I do not have the information on that for you but it shocked me when you said that it didn't work with your phone over bluetooth . I was thinking about buying this model and want to make sure that the Bluetooth is able to stream my music and also make phone calls from the dash !? Is that possible with this unit ?
Another question I had is about the sound quality
The watts are not listed online so does it get loud and clear or do you need an amp with this unit
Again sorry I couldn't help ( sorry for asking a bunch if random stuff )
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The head unit does connect to my phone over bluetooth, I never said that it didn't. I was referring to a bluetooth OBDII adapter (for reading out diagnostic information from my car's ECU) that does not work with the head unit over bluetooth.
I've not actually attempted to make or receive any calls over bluetooth, or to stream any music via Bluetooth, but it is my understanding that the head unit does support these features.
It is probably a good idea to have a proper read through the"AN-21 U" - Unbranded 6.2" 2 DIN Pure Android 4.1 Car Stereo Radio Head Unit [ROOTED] thread available on here in the Android Development and Hacking --> Android General section as it seems as though people have had different results with regards to sound qualities depending on which software version / MCU version they are running on their unit. For what it's worth, I've left my MCU version untouched as it looked as though it was a whole different ball game to change MCU versions as apposed to simply changing the software version.
I can't remember off the top of my head what the speaker wattage outputs are, I seem to remember something around the 45X4 mark, remember those are peak ratings. I do have an amp running a sub woofer in the boot of my car but the rest of the speakers, which are just the standard speakers that were supplied with the car, are powered directly off the head unit.
I've got to be honest and say, I don't think they go as loud as they did with my previous head unit, a Sony MEX-BT3100U, so I will probably look at amping them at some point in the future, probably after replacing them with some good quality aftermarket speakers.
jim1985 said:
Thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction :good:
I've had a good read through the AN21 head unit thread. I've ended up upgrading the system software to version 2.8.3 and I've also managed to root the device.
The result is now that I am able to play my music over 3G without there being any annoying gaps between each track.
As you've mentioned, it still doesn't support OBDII over bluetooth and this does turn out to be a hardware issue rather than a software issue. In fact, the software itself does clearly support OBDII over bluetooth, it's just the hardware version of my bluetooth controller that doesn't support it.
The head unit does connect to my phone over bluetooth, I never said that it didn't. I was referring to a bluetooth OBDII adapter (for reading out diagnostic information from my car's ECU) that does not work with the head unit over bluetooth.
I've not actually attempted to make or receive any calls over bluetooth, or to stream any music via Bluetooth, but it is my understanding that the head unit does support these features.
It is probably a good idea to have a proper read through the"AN-21 U" - Unbranded 6.2" 2 DIN Pure Android 4.1 Car Stereo Radio Head Unit [ROOTED] thread available on here in the Android Development and Hacking --> Android General section as it seems as though people have had different results with regards to sound qualities depending on which software version / MCU version they are running on their unit. For what it's worth, I've left my MCU version untouched as it looked as though it was a whole different ball game to change MCU versions as apposed to simply changing the software version.
I can't remember off the top of my head what the speaker wattage outputs are, I seem to remember something around the 45X4 mark, remember those are peak ratings. I do have an amp running a sub woofer in the boot of my car but the rest of the speakers, which are just the standard speakers that were supplied with the car, are powered directly off the head unit.
I've got to be honest and say, I don't think they go as loud as they did with my previous head unit, a Sony MEX-BT3100U, so I will probably look at amping them at some point in the future, probably after replacing them with some good quality aftermarket speakers.
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Anyone know if it is possible to root the Xtrons TS702L or how to upgrade it ?
i need a replacement for my jaybird x2 but dont want to get the X3 now that bluetooth 5.0 is available. Or does anyone know of a good headset that will be release soon with bluetooth 5.0?
is it because your x2 doesn't work with the S8 ? because it doesn't work with mine either .
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is it because your x2 doesn't work with the S8 ? because it doesn't work with mine either .
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it works fine just the battery is getting old. and itll be nice to have more range with 5.0
I am also wondering if there are any Bluetooth 5.0 headphones anywhere yet. I can't find anything.
Also looking for BT 5.0. Still using the original Bluebuds x ! Battery only lasts me about 4 hours.
This is driving me nuts--there are some pretty legit reasons for wanting BT 5.0 headphones, and I don't really want to buy a replacement pair that DOESN'T have BT 5.0 because that'd be silly now that my phone supports it . . . blech. There has to be someone out there making them, right?
I searched pretty hard online this weekend and found NOTHING, not even articles/teasers of soon to be released 5.0 headsets.
I'm turning up similar amounts of nothing at all. One wonders why Samsung wouldn't be more interested in playing this up as a feature and thus driving stories about it. Maybe they're too focused on the AKG earbuds they're bundling with the phone, and the fact that the s8 has a headphone jack and the iPhone doesn't? That's my best guess . . .
BT 5.0 is pretty new. The S8 is pretty much the first phone to have it, and I believe it will take a few months until we see some better quality BT5.0 headphones on the market.
But no one's announced plans at all??? Finding the same nothing others are finding - and the silence is deafening.
FYI, X2 and X3 work just fine with the S8 and S8+.
I guess I will continue to wait. I actually really like my BT headphones, sound/battery wise, but they tend to cut out when my phone is in my pocket and I turn my head, which is just annoying.
The biggest issue with making devices that are BT 5.0 is that there is no backwards compatibility. So a set of headphones with 5.0 would not work on a device(Phone, tablet, computer,etc) that didn't come Bluetooth 5.0 capable. Sure they could add BT 4.2 to it, but that would require an additional bt radio. Increasing price and size
My Plantronics edge batteries are about shot. I'd love to buy another Plantronics edge like headset but I'll try to wait BT 5.0. Even if I weren't waiting for BT 5.0 I wouldn't buy another on the chance I'd buy a new headset that has been sitting around for 3 years.
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The biggest issue with making devices that are BT 5.0 is that there is no backwards compatibility. So a set of headphones with 5.0 would not work on a device(Phone, tablet, computer,etc) that didn't come Bluetooth 5.0 capable. Sure they could add BT 4.2 to it, but that would require an additional bt radio. Increasing price and size
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Do you have source on this? I havent seen any articles that says it's not backward compatible. If this is true then it could be a while until any manufactures will release new headsets with 5.0 if the only device currently that can use it is the S8.
I'm not sure why you'd think they weren't backwards compatible. I've gone through every previous generation of BT and to the best of my recollection if you use a newer gen with older gen the only issue is you don't get all the benefits of the new gen but they certainly communicated with each other.
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Do you have source on this? I havent seen any articles that says it's not backward compatible. If this is true then it could be a while until any manufactures will release new headsets with 5.0 if the only device currently that can use it is the S8.
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Look at the Bluetooth website. Or any other website talking about the technical specs. After I did research I tried looking up any devices that are 5.0, besides just headphones and sadly couldn't find any. 5.0 will be phenomenal, just gonna be a bit before it's implemented widespread sadly
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Look at the Bluetooth website. Or any other website talking about the technical specs. After I did research I tried looking up any devices that are 5.0, besides just headphones and sadly couldn't find any. 5.0 will be phenomenal, just gonna be a bit before it's implemented widespread sadly
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Will Bluetooth 5.0 devices be
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current Bluetooth devices in
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Devices implementing only the
low energy feature of Bluetooth
5 will be backward compatible
with Bluetooth 4.2, 4.1 and 4.0
devices that also implement the
low energy feature.
Devices implementing the Basic
Rate/Enhanced Data Rate (BR/
EDR) Core Configuration will
be backward compatible with
all adopted Bluetooth Core
Specification versions beginning
with 1.1 that also implement
Bluetooth BR/EDR.
From the Bluetooth FAQ.
I can connect three S5 to my Bluetooth speaker that isn't 5 just fine. As well as transfer files fine.
russ18uk said:
Will Bluetooth 5.0 devices be
backward compatible with
current Bluetooth devices in
the marketplace?
Devices implementing only the
low energy feature of Bluetooth
5 will be backward compatible
with Bluetooth 4.2, 4.1 and 4.0
devices that also implement the
low energy feature.
Devices implementing the Basic
Rate/Enhanced Data Rate (BR/
EDR) Core Configuration will
be backward compatible with
all adopted Bluetooth Core
Specification versions beginning
with 1.1 that also implement
Bluetooth BR/EDR.
From the Bluetooth FAQ.
I can connect three S5 to my Bluetooth speaker that isn't 5 just fine. As well as transfer files fine.
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I think you're mixing up what I'm saying. The s5 doesn't have bt5. But receiving devices that have bt5 are not backwards compatible with transmitting devices that aren't bt5. Majority of devices that transmit (phones, tablets, etc) will have bt5 and down installed in them, such as the S8, because doing that is simple. As a receiver has to implement all the things that come with higher BT qualifications and standards. Broadcasting BT is much more simple and convenient than having to receive everything connected to that signal.
I'm just relaying information from the bt5 specs though. I have not tested any of this in real world applications
That was a typo, I meant S8. Swype keeps using my old dictionary.
Here is the link I'm referring to as the FAQ:
https://www.bluetooth.com/~/media/files/specification/bluetooth-5-faq.ashx?la=en