Since early 2012 when Canonical announced Ubuntu for Android I've been drooling and waiting for the perfect tablet to install it on. Now I have Tablet Z, but find out there's very little written or said about Ubuntu for Android since last year.
Does anybody know if the source codes were released? Whether it's even possible to port it to Tablet Z? If something similar will be coming?
I don't really want to go with Ubuntu Touch (not that anyone is dev-ing for it on this device), I'd ideally want android base and proper Ubuntu desktop when docked to a monitor.
It's difficult to believe this dream combo of mobile device and computer being one was so close over a year ago, but is still so far.
Ricky D said:
Since early 2012 when Canonical announced Ubuntu for Android I've been drooling and waiting for the perfect tablet to install it on. Now I have Tablet Z, but find out there's very little written or said about Ubuntu for Android since last year.
Does anybody know if the source codes were released? Whether it's even possible to port it to Tablet Z? If something similar will be coming?
I don't really want to go with Ubuntu Touch (not that anyone is dev-ing for it on this device), I'd ideally want android base and proper Ubuntu desktop when docked to a monitor.
It's difficult to believe this dream combo of mobile device and computer being one was so close over a year ago, but is still so far.
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Sadly no it has become vapourware nothing as ever been released, but if you looking to run ubuntu and android at the same time, check out my sig.
Our project (LinuxonAndroid) aims to do the same type of thing as "Ubuntu for android", but not limited to just Ubuntu!
zacthespack said:
Sadly no it has become vapourware nothing as ever been released, but if you looking to run ubuntu and android at the same time, check out my sig.
Our project (LinuxonAndroid) aims to do the same type of thing as "Ubuntu for android", but not limited to just Ubuntu!
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I've tried to run this on my tablet and it didn't work, i believe that the problem was related to kernel not supporting loop devices (I was rooted) and there is only one custom kernel but is not for all the devices so it's harder to do this but of course easier than porting ubuntu touch lol.
juanyunis said:
I've tried to run this on my tablet and it didn't work, i believe that the problem was related to kernel not supporting loop devices (I was rooted) and there is only one custom kernel but is not for all the devices so it's harder to do this but of course easier than porting ubuntu touch lol.
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Ah I see, well lets hope I can get hold of a Tablet Z some time soon...
But yes adjusting my project to run on the Z will be much easier than porting ubuntu touch for sure
zacthespack said:
Ah I see, well lets hope I can get hold of a Tablet Z some time soon...
But yes adjusting my project to run on the Z will be much easier than porting ubuntu touch for sure
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That sounds great, i hope you can achieve that because a 10.1 tablet with Full HD+ running ubuntu with a bluetooth keyboard that would be very helpful for running advance applications.
zacthespack said:
Sadly no it has become vapourware nothing as ever been released, but if you looking to run ubuntu and android at the same time, check out my sig.
Our project (LinuxonAndroid) aims to do the same type of thing as "Ubuntu for android", but not limited to just Ubuntu!
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This is what I've been using actually. I even donated so I can use the widgets.
The problem I have with it is that the GUI is laggy through the VNC, I was hoping for something as smooth looking as in the videos from last year. Perhaps you can make a recommendation on how to improve performance? A lighter package perhaps?
Also, I was hoping to install a local web server and IDE for working when travelling (I develop Ruby on Rails apps), not tried it yet, is it going to be waste of time trying or should i just suck it and see?
juanyunis said:
I've tried to run this on my tablet and it didn't work, i believe that the problem was related to kernel not supporting loop devices (I was rooted) and there is only one custom kernel but is not for all the devices so it's harder to do this but of course easier than porting ubuntu touch lol.
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This does work on stock kernel. As I say above, I use it on a completely stock ROM/Kernel. I did experience what looked like loop incompatibility but it disappeared when I re-downloaded the img. Can't remember if I tried a different image but anyway, I got it to work on stock.
Ricky D said:
This is what I've been using actually. I even donated so I can use the widgets.
The problem I have with it is that the GUI is laggy through the VNC, I was hoping for something as smooth looking as in the videos from last year. Perhaps you can make a recommendation on how to improve performance? A lighter package perhaps?
Also, I was hoping to install a local web server and IDE for working when travelling (I develop Ruby on Rails apps), not tried it yet, is it going to be waste of time trying or should i just suck it and see?
This does work on stock kernel. As I say above, I use it on a completely stock ROM/Kernel. I did experience what looked like loop incompatibility but it disappeared when I re-downloaded the img. Can't remember if I tried a different image but anyway, I got it to work on stock.
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That's perfect, yeah i tried Ubuntu 12.04, please tell me which distro/version are you using! i didn't want to waste time downloading distros and testing, so yes i missed that part.
juanyunis said:
That's perfect, yeah i tried Ubuntu 12.04, please tell me which distro/version are you using! i didn't want to waste time downloading distros and testing, so yes i missed that part.
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I system details says 12.04. I definitely downloaded the full package, and I believe I tried 13.04 the first time (which didn't work on my 5" Z either).
Ricky D said:
I system details says 12.04. I definitely downloaded the full package, and I believe I tried 13.04 the first time (which didn't work on my 5" Z either).
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Thanks man, i believe that maybe i downloaded the full version of the 13.04, i'll try again with 12.04 full version.
By the way could you upload some photos of how it looks the ubuntu on the tablet? and how is the performance? thank you.
juanyunis said:
Thanks man, i believe that maybe i downloaded the full version of the 13.04, i'll try again with 12.04 full version.
By the way could you upload some photos of how it looks the ubuntu on the tablet? and how is the performance? thank you.
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The refresh rate in android VNC is not great. It makes work slow. Not done any real work from the command line yet, in fact, not done anything serious with it yet. I'll try to load a rails environment on it later.
Ricky D said:
The refresh rate in android VNC is not great. It makes work slow. Not done any real work from the command line yet, in fact, not done anything serious with it yet. I'll try to load a rails environment on it later.
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Thank you!, back on 2011 i put Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on my Galaxy S2, and i was able to setup a django environment and also postgres, and it was working, a django website running on my phone, lol.
juanyunis said:
Thank you!, back on 2011 i put Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on my Galaxy S2, and i was able to setup a django environment and also postgres, and it was working, a django website running on my phone, lol.
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Then there is hope for me yet.
If you want any other screens just say. I found using an org mouse/keyboard gives the impression of more responsive interface but it still on the slow side. Maybe I'm spoilt by my haswell i5 with 12GB RAM.
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Ricky D said:
Then there is hope for me yet.
If you want any other screens just say. I found using an org mouse/keyboard gives the impression of more responsive interface but it still on the slow side. Maybe I'm spoilt by my haswell i5 with 12GB RAM.
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Oh so you already has a haswell, that's nice. I've a Macbook Pro Retina 15.4 with 8GB RAM and Core i7 third generation + 512GB SSD mid 2012, but well i want a haswell because the power saving features!
And yes, you should be able to run RoR on it, and get a working environment, it's good to have a backup work system lol.
Also it sucks that even using a local connection is giving you slow refresh rates.
Check this: Oracle Java for ARM i don't use java at all but some of my preferred IDEs are based on java, like PyCharm, WebStore, etc. it would be amazing if we can run those things on our mobile device.
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Alright Being a Linux Nut, though not a programmer by any means, I believe I had mistakenly read that The Prime could have Ubuntu either install over writing Android and/or dual booting both and had run out and bought one as this would make my day,
Now to my dread I believe i was reading about the original Transformer and not the prime as this device is still bootloader locked, as a long search I have found nothing conclusive, could a dev or mod please give me the single one shot answer?
and how about the likely hood of that dual boot being ported to the prime upon bootloader being crack/unlocked?
Thank you
unix on TP201
It will come but only when the bootloader it released. at this current moment we cannot play with the boot sectors or load custom roms when this comes (sometime in Feb) you will see more on the dev forum
JaceAlvejetti said:
Alright Being a Linux Nut, though not a programmer by any means, I believe I had mistakenly read that The Prime could have Ubuntu either install over writing Android and/or dual booting both and had run out and bought one as this would make my day,
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Haha I am with you on that! Only reason I bought mine was to dual boot Linux. It will happen. Meanwhile I am experimenting making arm images and using the vnc as a stop gap.
-Barry
barryflanagan said:
Haha I am with you on that! Only reason I bought mine was to dual boot Linux. It will happen. Meanwhile I am experimenting making arm images and using the vnc as a stop gap.
-Barry
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yea, it will happen.
Most kernel support should be straight forward, and if a compatible kernel is used as a base, even the tuxera modules (for ntfs and exfat) should be loadable.
One thing that will be needed to get the "prime" performance tho will be at the mercy of nvidia.
We'll need an X server driver out for tegra3 devices. I'm holding out hope that "netbooks" using the tegra3 will drive this ... friggin closed source crap
Having their driver also allow mirroring out to HDMI is also a big deal for me.
I personally am looking at ensuring a good "touch" experience (and also possibly utilizing the maxStylus), as well as getting a ps3 move controller to control it as a mythTV frontend
Thanks for the heads up, I guess I'll wait till feb to see if it comes to light or not, Glad to see I'm not the only one who bought this for linux through
The new Plasma Active UI from the KDE guys looks like it might be nice on a tablet such as the Prime. http://plasma-active.org/
Yes it does, though I'm a fan of Gnome, and a disposer of unity.. Unity its self is also supposed to be for tablets as well, choice choice and all in the Linux direction
What do you Guys think? Is there a Way to get Windows 8 working on the Tablet?
Cheers
We have only just got root, im not sure if it is even possible as I dont see it on any of the android phones yet. However my question is, why would you want to?
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Wow, Windows 8 is not even realeased yet.
You might have better luck getting the current Windows platform.
I have not heard yet of any other platforms available on the Sony "S"
Pocket Could
If you have a spare computer to install Win 8, you could connect to that with PocketCloud and try that for a taste of Windows 8 on a tablet. The developer preview didn't play nice with PocketCloud or RDC, but this new version does. Otherwise I think you might have a bit of a wait as I don't think Tegra chipsets are on Microsoft's roadmap any time soon.
Short answer: No.
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The first problem is that this Tablet only has root. To even get a proper custom ROM environment, we would need unlocked bootloader, custom kernel and custom recovery. Even with a custom kernel, theres no guarantees on its ability to play nice with other OSes. On the other hand, Windows 8 is currently only at Consumer Preview and the only images available for download are the x86 versions, which are completely incompatible with any mobile chips. Once the ARM images are released, we might see some development, but that would still require all the kernel/bootloader changes mentioned above.
Also, the PocketCloud/VNC option isn't a great one as PocketCloud emulates a mouse, thereby removing half of the appeal of Windows 8 on a tablet.
seriously.. why win bloze?
i would be more excited to see ubuntu on sony tab...
http://galaxytabhacks.com/galaxy-ta...tall-ubuntu-linux-on-galaxy-tab-10-1-tabuntu/
u go android because of freedom.. not the other way round..
zerod78 said:
seriously.. why win bloze?
i would be more excited to see ubuntu on sony tab...
http://galaxytabhacks.com/galaxy-ta...tall-ubuntu-linux-on-galaxy-tab-10-1-tabuntu/
u go android because of freedom.. not the other way round..
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It would be a good idea to try for ubuntu since it looks like it only needs root and busybox!
For those of you coming into this post looking to have Ubuntu on your Galaxy Player, it looks like we have found an acceptable solution.
First of all, due to our single-core processor, it doesn't look like we'll ever have the official Ubuntu for Android that is on the Ubuntu Site.
However, it has been tested, and you can use this app on your Galaxy Player to actually run Ubuntu, with either a Gnome or LXDE desktop. You use a terminal emulator to get it started, and after that, your terminal emulator becomes a terminal for your Ubuntu, and you can access the Desktop through vnc to localhost:5900. You can also access the gui from any computer with vnc using [your.galaxy.players.ip]:5900.
tradeJmark said:
I was wondering if there would ever be any chance of this on the Galaxy Player 5.0, specifically the US version, because it would go great with the big screen, and Ubuntu is so useful!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1502862
As far as I know, this is it.
dunca123 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1502862
As far as I know, this is it.
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Possibly but unlikely since this seems to be advertising the large amount of power in multi-core phones while the Galaxy Player is a single core. However I have the Ubuntu that dunca123 suggested installed on mine and it does work fairly well although not extremely so. Maybe about as well as any lightweight linux distro would work on a single core with not a lot of RAM (crunchbang being the exception because that will run on just about anything)
Im able to run BackTrack 5 on my SGP just fine. Its 5.0 US and as we all know, BT5 is a linux distro based on GNOME. Hoped I helped in some way.
Any links with instructions toy could provide please?
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This seems like an ok solution, though i could do without having to use vnc.
For backTrack5? I'd be happy to give you what you need. You need 3.25 on your SGP and ill link the files and you need to be rooted. Ill tell you the rest when you reply.
Came across this today and wanted to share with anyone who might have been in a cave today
http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/01/02/u..._campaign=Feed:+Mobilesyrup+(mobilesyrup.com)
Hope this comes our way
Sent from my Nexus 10
I hope it comes.
Indeed, my dream is to one day have the ability to dual boot Android and a native Linux distro.
brGabriel said:
Indeed, my dream is to one day have the ability to dual boot Android and a native Linux distro.
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It isn't clear to me that the Ubuntu phone will actually be a "linux distro" - at least not in the sense that most think of them (Android runs Linux, after all). But, details seem to be scarce.
Plus, applications built for a mouse aren't going to be ideal even on a tablet. Otherwise we wouldn't have all those apps for services that are already web-based (including, ironically enough, xda).
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It isn't clear to me that the Ubuntu phone will actually be a "linux distro" - at least not in the sense that most think of them (Android runs Linux, after all). But, details seem to be scarce.
Plus, applications built for a mouse aren't going to be ideal even on a tablet. Otherwise we wouldn't have all those apps for services that are already web-based (including, ironically enough, xda).
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Yes, I agree the new Ubuntu for mobile devices won't exactly be like its desktop predecessors. I was referring to what I've seen on other tablet development forums, such as the Asus TF300T running an Arch Linux ARM natively as a dual boot with Android. Would it be "ideal" on a touch screen tablet? Certainly not; but it wouldn't be completely unusable. Besides, I think that's why many of us are on xda in the first place. Because we're not content with running vanilla stock ROMs with our hands held out to to the manufacturers for fixes and upgrades.
Like the sound of this but only as a dual boot option for now.
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Yes, I agree the new Ubuntu for mobile devices won't exactly be like its desktop predecessors. I was referring to what I've seen on other tablet development forums, such as the Asus TF300T running an Arch Linux ARM natively as a dual boot with Android. Would it be "ideal" on a touch screen tablet? Certainly not; but it wouldn't be completely unusable. Besides, I think that's why many of us are on xda in the first place. Because we're not content with running vanilla stock ROMs with our hands held out to to the manufacturers for fixes and upgrades.
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I RDP .....*A LOT*...... from my N10 to my various Linux boxes now.... this would be a very welcome thing for me.
And.... to have another player in the mobile game would only be a good thing for us all.
Also, as the native apps are mosly C or C++, it would be interesting to see how much faster they would run.
When I click the mirror downloads button I get a "This site can't be reached" error. I can't use the torrent download link where I am.
Vdekjeza said:
When I click the mirror downloads button I get a "This site can't be reached" error. I can't use the torrent download link where I am.
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The reason is because Jide has left the consumer market, and had completely stopped supporting their consumer products.
Now they only work with enterprises.
Try Phoenix OS instead.
Download torrent.
moriel5 said:
The reason is because Jide has left the consumer market, and had completely stopped supporting their consumer products.
Now they only work with enterprises.
Try Phoenix OS instead.
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How does Phoenix compare with Remix? Will it work on a TW700 tablet? I have been trying for over a week to load Remix 3.0 with zero success
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Shehzada said:
How does Phoenix compare with Remix? Will it work on a TW700 tablet? I have been trying for over a week to load Remix 3.0 with zero success
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To say the truth, I had not gotten the chance to check Phoenix OS lately.
However, since you have a BayTrail CPU (those did not get much supportĺ I think that you're better off with the Android-X86 LOS or standard Linux (I highly recommend Solus, and the GNOME 3 UI has great support for touch displays), and even then, you will need to compile some of the drivers yourself (such as the touch driver for the screen, until you do so, you will absolutely have to connect a mouse and keyboard).
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To say the truth, I had not gotten the chance to check Phoenix OS lately.
However, since you have a BayTrail CPU (those did not get much supportĺ I think that you're better off with the Android-X86 LOS or standard Linux (I highly recommend Solus, and the GNOME 3 UI has great support for touch displays), and even then, you will need to compile some of the drivers yourself (such as the touch driver for the screen, until you do so, you will absolutely have to connect a mouse and keyboard).
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Thank you so much. I am checking your recommendations as i type this.
My other problem is the 1GB Ram. Which one of those you think will work best.
I am planning on connecting it via HDMI to my TV and running just 1 android app (hmdi audio/video is all i need). I don't care about touchscreen support.
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Shehzada said:
Thank you so much. I am checking your recommendations as i type this.
My other problem is the 1GB Ram. Which one of those you think will work best.
I am planning on connecting it via HDMI to my TV and running just 1 android app (hmdi audio/video is all i need). I don't care about touchscreen support.
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With only 1 GB of RAM, I highly recommend using Android-x86's LOS 15.1 (you will still need to compile the touch driver for the screen, and probably other drivers as well, including audio and HDMI.
Thanks...will let u know how it goes.
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You were right. I wasn't able to find LOS 15.1 but did boot 14.1 and though it did reboot on its own twice, it did finally load. It was however very slow.
I tried it on the TW801 which has 2GB Ram and it was more fluid. Touchscreen did work and so did Wifi. Hdmi audio was the bummer.
I have officially given up installing android on the TW700.....I don't think tje tablet is capable of running it well and even if it did.... HDMI audio will be a lost cause.
Thanks for your help....i appreciate it and at least I did finally got to see android on it.
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Shehzada said:
You were right. I wasn't able to find LOS 15.1 but did boot 14.1 and though it did reboot on its own twice, it did finally load. It was however very slow.
I tried it on the TW801 which has 2GB Ram and it was more fluid. Touchscreen did work and so did Wifi. Hdmi audio was the bummer.
I have officially given up installing android on the TW700.....I don't think tje tablet is capable of running it well and even if it did.... HDMI audio will be a lost cause.
Thanks for your help....i appreciate it and at least I did finally got to see android on it.
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Wait, how about you try running a standard Linux distribution on it?
You may still need to compile the drivers, however there is a higher chance that things will work properly after running updates and rebooting without any compilations.
I tried ubuntu live...slow on the 700 better on the 801. I ordered an Android box..... should receive it today. Lol
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Shehzada said:
I tried ubuntu live...slow on the 700 better on the 801. I ordered an Android box..... should receive it today. Lol
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However did touch work properly?
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However did touch work properly?
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Touch did not work.
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Shehzada said:
Touch did not work.
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And this was Ubuntu 18.04, correct?
I tried 16.04.4 64 bit
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I tried 16.04.4 64 bit
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Why such an old version?
18.04 has a much newer kernel (I think 4.14 or 4.15), and as such, has a much higher chance of working properly with your hardware (you may still need to compile drivers, however it's not too hard when people have already prepared the code and instructions for you), plus, it uses GNOME rather than Unity (which is discontinued by Canonical), which is at version 3.28, a release that brought many optimizations to system resources, so it should run more smoothly.
Also, when installed, it'll be be much faster, since the internal NAND is much faster than a USB drive, partly because of the fact that it ustilizes the SATA protocol, rather than the USB protocol, and partly because the chip is just way faster.
I thought that my limitation is the poor processor and the RAM. If I had a celeron it would fly.
These tablets are only good for the operating system they came with from the factory.
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Shehzada said:
I thought that my limitation is the poor processor and the RAM. If I had a celeron it would fly.
These tablets are only good for the operating system they came with from the factory.
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While an Atom processor is certainly no fun (I have an old Dell Inspiron mini 1018, so I know how it feels), it can be faster than you think.
That old laptop (it was also my first laptop) has a single core Atom CPU, from the N series (the N455), and I was running it with Windows 7.
While it does not have an OS right now (I accidentally broke the keyboard connector on the motherboard while testing RAM sticks for work (I volunteered to do this), and salvaged the hard drive for my desktop (I have 12 hard drives, and 10 trays, 2 of which are are for 2.5" drives. The hard drives were all, save for one, which was bought second hand together with the computer (the case was bought seperately), salvaged from old PCs that people had thrown away), it runs alright on Ubuntu (and slightly better on Solus), however you have a quad-core Atom, which also generates less heat (so less throttling), so it will run much better.
I am not saying that the OS will fly, after all, it does not have a core i3 CPU, however it will outperform your expectation.
Thanks. Today I can't wait to get home to the Android box being delivered.
When I get some time....i will try to load 18.04 and report back. Thanks again.
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