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I confirmed that the TMOUS Radar *is* capable of 3G on AT&T.
I unlocked it this morning and put in a prepaid AT&T SIM (GoPhone). HTC Connection Setup ran and a few minutes later I was on AT&T with 3G support. The phone recognizes the HSPA+ signal and lights up the indicators with the '4G' label.
The phone's box says it supports UMTS 1900 -- this fact is not listed in any other spec I've seen on-line for the device. That band is only one of the 2 AT&T use for UMTS, so if you are unlucky and have only 850 then 3G/4G probably won't work. Guess AT&T uses 1900 where I am.
Do you know of any way to tell which band at&t uses in various areas?
Sorry, I don't know of any way to know that. I am not an AT&T expert -- knowing whether the phone could be used w/ AT&T 3G was an academic exercise for me just to satisfy curiosity.
What did you use for unlock?
Wonder if it'll work, roaming on AT&T 3G, with a T-Mo US prepaid SIM...
- Sent from my HTC Radar 4G using the OMG XDA WTF WP7 BBQ App. =D
I got the unlock codes from T-Mobile.
I bought a slightly used 64gb AT&T HTC One M7, unlocked it using HTC Dev (though it's still S-ON), flashed in JellyBAM 1.0 RC1 (based on Cyanogenmod in its guts) and Cockworkmod, plus flashed in the T-Mobile radio, but the phone can only see a network listed as "WIND Away". With my Samsung Note (pentaband) it can see a number of other networks.
So WIND Mobile has two zones -- WIND Home (its own towers in Toronto) and another it calls in its literature "WIND Away" which in my area just means its roaming on Rogers Canada's network. With the Note it would show these networks as Rogers, not "WIND Away" like this HTC One is. When I try and join WIND Away it says it can't register itself on the network. I shed a tear.
Why do I mention T-Mobile? They use the same 1700/2100 frequency pair that my carrier WIND Mobile uses. I've purchased a HTC Desire Z (G2) from T-Mobile in the past and it worked great on WIND. Since the HTC One supports 2100, and the HTC One sold in WIND stores also only supports 2100 (not the 1700/2100 pair) I thought this AT&T HTC One would work as well. It's been suggested by users online that I may get slower data speeds because 1700 isn't supported. I flashed T-Mobile's radio anyway to see if it would help at least see WIND but no luck.
Here's my hold-volume-down-while-booting screen details:
M7_UL PVT SHIP S-ON RH
HBOOT-1.44.0000
RADIO-4A.17.3250.20
OpenDSP-v31.120.274.0617
eMCC-boot
Jul 5 2013, 16:04:18:-1
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So any idea what's going on?
And it's SIM unlocked?
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grim489 said:
And it's SIM unlocked?
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Yep, I'm assuming so because the previous owner listed the phone's sale as Unlocked, and I'm not being asked for an unlock code when booting up the phone with a foreign carrier's SIM.
I too am very interested in this.
I picked up this phone used from a Rogers user (same at AT&T apparently) to use on Wind Mobile. I SIM unlocked it and rooted the phone with a custom ROM. Now when I put in my SIM card it doesn't see my network. According to the stats the phone operates on the 1900/2100 that Wind requires.
This would be the same as using an Unlocked AT&T HTC one on the T Mobile Network.
icewolf293 said:
I too am very interested in this.
I picked up this phone used from a Rogers user (same at AT&T apparently) to use on Wind Mobile. I SIM unlocked it and rooted the phone with a custom ROM. Now when I put in my SIM card it doesn't see my network. According to the stats the phone operates on the 1900/2100 that Wind requires.
This would be the same as using an Unlocked AT&T HTC one on the T Mobile Network.
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Did you end up finding a solution to this? I'm still in the same situation but I haven't been working on it much the past week.
Also a small correction: WIND uses 1700/2100 not 1900/2100. What makes this situation weird/frustrating is that the AT&T HTC One specs for frequencies are the same as WIND Mobile's HTC One, so I'm hoping that this issue isn't that the AT&T HTC One hardware is incompatible. (at least in frequency support)
WIND compatibility
I just found this comment here:
Wind operates a UMTS / WCDMA / HSPA network at the 1700 MHz frequency, known as AWS or Band IV. IT DOES NOT RUN ON 2100 MHz! NO 1700 MHz, NO WIND!
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... though it doesn't jive with the HTC One being sold by WIND directly as it doesn't have 1700 mhz but does have 2100, just like my AT&T-branded HTC One. Additionally, I can't see any of the other networks surrounding me, and I'd think I'd have some visibility of a few though I haven't gone and done frequency research on them. At the very least I still think I should be able to see WIND.
So I think both of us are out of luck with our HTC One's. Here's a response I got on this thread on Howard Forums:
AT&T's HTC One will not work with AWS HSPA. You need the T-Mobile, Wind, or Videotron version for AWS HSPA.
Wind's own marketing material is often wrong. Has happened many times where they post incorrect not enough information.
Sorry that device will not work on Wind.
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So I/we were mislead by WIND's published material on frequency support I guess.
I still feel like an idiot.
Please see this thread I managed to find it after a while
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2315880
I gave up on the HTC one and got a Samsung s4
Just a thanks to all for stepping in and helping decide what was going on with this device. Sucks I was mislead, but thems the risks when you try and dance around the norms.
Going to convert an att m7 yo tmobile
But have a question after unlocked bootloader soff, Cid and mid change all I need to do is run the tmobile ruu? Or is there something else I need to do
PunishedSnake said:
Going to convert an att m7 yo tmobile
But have a question after unlocked bootloader soff, Cid and mid change all I need to do is run the tmobile ruu? Or is there something else I need to do
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No, you should run the RUU's in the order given so that the firmware gets updated properly. The RUU should update the firmware and ROM. Keep in mind that the AT&T variant phone doesn't have all of the T-Mobile variant's bands but in most locations you will get their LTE.
Which band?
The AT&T Version of the M7 does not have the 1700/2100 HSPA band that T-Mobile uses for their "4G" (Not 4G LTE), unless you live in a refarmed area where it uses the 1900 band. It shouldn't be much of an issue because the Band 4 LTE T-Mobile uses is on the same 1700/2100 frequency, which the AT&T M7 does have.
In short, you won't get fake 4G often, but you will get LTE (In most cases, no Band 12 on the M7)
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The AT&T Version of the M7 does not have the 1700/2100 HSPA band that T-Mobile uses for their "4G" (Not 4G LTE), unless you live in a refarmed area where it uses the 1900 band. It shouldn't be much of an issue because the Band 4 LTE T-Mobile uses is on the same 1700/2100 frequency, which the AT&T M7 does have.
In short, you won't get fake 4G often, but you will get LTE (In most cases, no Band 12 on the M7)
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Seems like most of central CA from SF to LA and areas in between have band 4 lte and band 4 hspa. 1900mhz
Ill switch back to the nexus 6 thats in my drawer when band 12 is in fresno.
Although I am missing one hand usability that i cant do with nexus 6.
But other than the gs6 there are no other good band 12 devices. I was going to get the z3 until it was pulled
I recently got notice from T-Mobile that my current phone will not work with changes they are making to the LTE network. So, I was looking to get the M7, but I'm having trouble finding out if the M7 will work on the changes they are making to the LTE network. I like the info I've read about the M7, and the price seems about what I would spend. Anyone understand the LTE stuff at T-Mobile?
I want to make sure I get a new phone that isn't just on one band, if that one band is not as prevalent as others that are not supported on the M7.
I have an old M8 lying around that I fired up and had remembered I had rooted it and the bootloader is unlocked.. Is there a way to 'trick' this phone into thinking it's an AT&T branded phone? hboot, etc. and that will allow me to RUU something official from AT&T? I know this sounds really strange and probably stupid but.. I just can't sleep and need something to fill the time.. Can I do it?
Don't think so, radio hardware is different, not to mention the partition layout.
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jbarcus81 said:
Is there a way to 'trick' this phone into thinking it's an AT&T branded phone? hboot, etc. and that will allow me to RUU something official from AT&T? ?
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Absolutely not. At least not any way that is known; and your chance of failure is high (with a brick being the possible or even probable result).
As mentioned in the previous comment, the partitioning on the phones is different. If you try to run the RUU, you at best it will fail, at worst it will brick the device.
Most other M8 versions (that don't support CDMA) can be "converted" from one version to another (other exceptions being dual SIM and M8 Eye). But Verizon and Sprint are the oddballs here. Some experienced devs have been messing around with these variants from the start (to try to convert them) with no success.
Perfect! All I needed to hear! Ah well.. it was worth a shot! Just trying to get my account provisioned for LTE so I can get LTE on my unlocked devices.. I've been told, and read, that if I can get an AT&T branded LTE capable phone to just swap my SIM in it.. and let my account provision, then I'll have LTE on any device AT&T or not... Just trying to avoid a contract..
jbarcus81 said:
I've been told, and read, that if I can get an AT&T branded LTE capable phone to just swap my SIM in it.. and let my account provision, then I'll have LTE on any device AT&T or not... Just trying to avoid a contract..
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As long as the phone is SIM unlocked (Verizon version is) then you should just be able to put an AT&T SIM in, and enter the proper AT&T APN for service, as long as the phone supports the proper bands. Its irrelevant whether the phone is AT&T branded or not.
Now the underlined bit in the paragraph above is the main issue. The Verizon M8 only supports one of the four bands (Bands 2, 5, 4, and 17) used by AT&T for LTE (Verizon M8 supports Bands 3, 4, 7, and 13). So depending on what band is used in your area, you may or may not get LTE.
But GSM (2G) and HSPA (3G) should work just fine on AT&T.
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As long as the phone is SIM unlocked (Verizon version is) then you should just be able to put an AT&T SIM in, and enter the proper AT&T APN for service, as long as the phone supports the proper bands. Its irrelevant whether the phone is AT&T branded or not.
Now the underlined bit in the paragraph above is the main issue. The Verizon M8 only supports one of the four bands (Bands 2, 5, 4, and 17) used by AT&T for LTE (Verizon M8 supports Bands 3, 4, 7, and 13). So depending on what band is used in your area, you may or may not get LTE.
But GSM (2G) and HSPA (3G) should work just fine on AT&T.
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That's the odd part.. My main phone is the S6 Edge from Verizon.. it's on the AT&T network and I assume my APN is correct.. But it's not picking up LTE and I am almost certain the S6 Edge from Verizon will pick up the correct band for AT&T LTE .. But it's only using the H+ speed.. What's even more strange?? When I throw my SIM into the M8? I get LTE on AT&T and verify with 30+mpbs speeds.. I have no idea what's going on...
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That's the odd part.. My main phone is the S6 Edge from Verizon.. it's on the AT&T network and I assume my APN is correct.. But it's not picking up LTE and I am almost certain the S6 Edge from Verizon will pick up the correct band for AT&T LTE .. But it's only using the H+ speed.. What's even more strange?? When I throw my SIM into the M8? I get LTE on AT&T and verify with 30+mpbs speeds.. I have no idea what's going on...
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Yeah, that is strange. According to the specs for the S6 Edge here, the Verizon version supports the same LTE bands as the VZN M8, and actually some additional bands (2 and 5) that also happen to be bands used by AT&T.
One thing I can think of, is that the VZN M8 in actuality supports some bands that are not advertised/explicit in the specs. It wouldn't be unheard of, as members here have reported some versions of the non-CDMA M8 as supporting some bands not indicated in the specs. And that band happens to be what AT&T is using in your market region. In this case, that band would seem to be Band 17 (the only band that AT&T is known to use, that isn't listed on the S6 Edge specs).
Or the other possibility, is there is just some issue with the S6 that is preventing connection to LTE (but on the same supported band that the M8 has).
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Yeah, that is strange. According to the specs for the S6 Edge here, the Verizon version supports the same LTE bands as the VZN M8, and actually some additional bands (2 and 5) that also happen to be bands used by AT&T.
One thing I can think of, is that the VZN M8 in actuality supports some bands that are not advertised/explicit in the specs. It wouldn't be unheard of, as members here have reported some versions of the non-CDMA M8 as supporting some bands not indicated in the specs. And that band happens to be what AT&T is using in your market region. In this case, that band would seem to be Band 17 (the only band that AT&T is known to use, that isn't listed on the S6 Edge specs).
Or the other possibility, is there is just some issue with the S6 that is preventing connection to LTE (but on the same supported band that the M8 has).
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Yeah.. I'm not worried about it.. I've been told that all I need is an AT&T branded LTE capable device hooked up to the account and that my account hasn't been provisioned for LTE .. I've seen this in a few places so it's worth a shot.. I ordered a junk LTE phone branded AT&T to test it out.. ordered a OnePlus 2 and will likely unload the S6 Edge (if it never picks up the LTE from AT&T)
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I've been told that all I need is an AT&T branded LTE capable device hooked up to the account and that my account hasn't been provisioned for LTE ..)
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As I've already mentioned, its not really necessary to have an AT&T branded device. I suspect the reason you've seen people say this, is that AT&T branding means by definition the phone has all the bands used by AT&T for LTE; since obviously the phone is intended for use on AT&T's network. Since AT&T uses a number of bands (4) and LTE bands being used worldwide has become very un-standardized, its somewhat difficult to find a non-AT&T phone that has all the bands. But they do exist, such as the US unlocked M8, Dev Edition M8, and Nexus devices. Also, I've seen folks used other non-ATT branded phones, which may not have all 4 LTE bands used by AT&T, but the one(s) needed in the particular user's region. Not ideal, but sufficient for some folks.
Another reason why some may say the phone needs to be AT&T branded, is that AT&T tech support won't provide you any support if you have a non-ATT phone. But honestly, I've used non-branded devices (and plenty of folks here have), and this is very rarely an issue. The folks here on XDA will usually provide you better support, anyway!
Of course, your ATT account needs to be provisioned for LTE in order to have that service. Its a simple matter, and doesn't cost anything (just need a smartphone data plan).
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As I've already mentioned, its not really necessary to have an AT&T branded device. I suspect the reason you've seen people say this, is that AT&T branding means by definition the phone has all the bands used by AT&T for LTE; since obviously the phone is intended for use on AT&T's network. Since AT&T uses a number of bands (4) and LTE bands being used worldwide has become very un-standardized, its somewhat difficult to find a non-AT&T phone that has all the bands. But they do exist, such as the US unlocked M8, Dev Edition M8, and Nexus devices. Also, I've seen folks used other non-ATT branded phones, which may not have all 4 LTE bands used by AT&T, but the one(s) needed in the particular user's region. Not ideal, but sufficient for some folks.
Another reason why some may say the phone needs to be AT&T branded, is that AT&T tech support won't provide you any support if you have a non-ATT phone. But honestly, I've used non-branded devices (and plenty of folks here have), and this is very rarely an issue. The folks here on XDA will usually provide you better support, anyway!
Of course, your ATT account needs to be provisioned for LTE in order to have that service. Its a simple matter, and doesn't cost anything (just need a smartphone data plan).
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I've dug deeper and have to not only have an AT&T branded phone, I have to register the IEMI on my account, then swap the SIM card back into the other phone. I've got the phone but can't find a way to do this online so I'll have to call tomorrow...
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I have a m8 whl sprint abd does not use CDMA only gsm network. I can I change the mid and convert the phone to get latest ota for dev edition version? I thanks
long.nguyen said:
I have a m8 whl sprint abd does not use CDMA only gsm network. I can I change the mid and convert the phone to get latest ota for dev edition version? I thanks
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Absolutely NO.
What I mentioned above (Post #3) for the Verizon variant, also applies to Sprint (both versions support CDMA - the fact you don't use it is irrelevant). If you try to convert to another version won't work, and will probably result in a brick.
Also, even if you didn't have a CDMA version M8, you typically can't convert using an OTA, it has to be an RUU.
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Absolutely NO.
What I mentioned above (Post #3) for the Verizon variant, also applies to Sprint (both versions support CDMA - the fact you don't use it is irrelevant). If you try to convert to another version won't work, and will probably result in a brick.
Also, even if you didn't have a CDMA version M8, you typically can't convert using an OTA, it has to be an RUU.
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@redpoint ; don't we have any chance to install different provider radios to Verizon Htc devices..?
because verizon devices you know that support 3, 4, 7, and 13 bands,but i want to enable band 20 for europe LTE..
pls help us to enable other bands =( because only u can do that as a genius =)
thanx a lot
cincon said:
@redpoint ; don't we have any chance to install different provider radios to Verizon Htc devices..?
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Absolutely NOT. As already thoroughly discussed on this thread, if you attempt to install another version's radio on the Verizon version, it won't work, and you may radio brick the phone (permanent damage possible).
Different radios, different partition layout.
Don't even try it. Experienced devs have tried to "convert" by various methods and mods, and failed.
But there may be other ways (besides flashing another version's radio) to enable the band(s) you want, read on:
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because verizon devices you know that support 3, 4, 7, and 13 bands,but i want to enable band 20 for europe LTE..
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You can take a look at the following method, as it claims to enable Band 20: http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-htc-one-m8/general/lte-band-7-2600mhz-finally-guide-t2992523
Read the thread, and proceed at your own discretion. I'm not knowledgeable with changing NV values (it doesn't work on "GSM" M8 variants, so does not apply to me). I simply know this thread exists.
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pls help us to enable other bands =( because only u can do that as a genius =)
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Far from a genius, and I don't create any of these mods. I just contribute by passing on knowledge I've gained here. Really, that is part of what XDA is all about.