This may be a totally noobish question but why must roms be developed for specific devices while you can download for example, you can install the 32 bit version of Ubuntu on any 32 bit computer. While roms must be developed for devices which (I think) are all 32 bit ARM architectures. Once again if this is a noobish question please don't scream at me as this is the Q&A section.
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This may be a totally noobish question but why must roms be developed for specific devices while you can download for example, you can install the 32 bit version of Ubuntu on any 32 bit computer. While roms must be developed for devices which (I think) are all 32 bit ARM architectures. Once again if this is a noobish question please don't scream at me as this is the Q&A section.
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all android devices are not same..
they may have different chipset...
they may have different cpu and gpu..
which causes incompatibiliti issues..
for example, i am using galaxy ace 5830i which is the impeoved version of galaxy ace 5830
but both the devices have different chipsets..
the 5830i version has broadcom chip while the 5830 version has qualcom chip so it becomes necessary to make rom for each device..
mireover even if chipsets are same..
there is different in resoultion, key mapping, lcd density, screen size etc..
so it becomes impprtant to develope roms for each device..
however we can port rom from other devices easily on one condition that the chipsets are same..
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srt99 said:
all android devices are not same..
they may have different chipset...
they may have different cpu and gpu..
which causes incompatibiliti issues..
for example, i am using galaxy ace 5830i which is the impeoved version of galaxy ace 5830
but both the devices have different chipsets..
the 5830i version has broadcom chip while the 5830 version has qualcom chip so it becomes necessary to make rom for each device..
mireover even if chipsets are same..
there is different in resoultion, key mapping, lcd density, screen size etc..
so it becomes impprtant to develope roms for each device..
however we can port rom from other devices easily on one condition that the chipsets are same..
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Thank you but my question remains, how is this different than a regular computer(as apposed to the mini one in my hand).
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Because your computer does not operate on a telephone network. With PC most hardware is the same. To where your phone is very different from each device and each one needs drivers built for it with different partition set ups. Different bootloaders, drivers for screens, digitizers, Wi-Fi antennas, phone antennas, ect. Computers have a set standard. While there is no standard for smartphone's and to be honest most likely never will be.
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Because your computer does not operate on a telephone network. With PC most hardware is the same. To where your phone is very different from each device and each one needs drivers built for it with different partition set ups. Different bootloaders, drivers for screens, digitizers, Wi-Fi antennas, phone antennas, ect. Computers have a set standard. While there is no standard for smartphone's and to be honest most likely never will be.
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Thank you for answering my question. According to this would it be harder to install a Linux build on a data enabled laptop because of the radios.
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Thank you for answering my question. According to this would it be harder to install a Linux build on a data enabled laptop because of the radios.
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Not really as the data on PC are still standard. Unlike the Telephony parts in the phone. If you think about it. The phone apk from say a Verizon device will not work on a device from ATT. The hardware is very different.
Take my laptop for example. Because there was no open source driver for my Lan card Linux would load but I would not get internet. Drivers are only available if the OEM of the part releases the proper info so they can be made. Alot of Device drivers and such are made differently depending on the device. Also look at how big a ubuntu install is. You need 5.4 gb for 13.04 so it can load every driver it has in the hopes one works. So it is not that there is one driver for say every monitor in all laptops and desktops. Also if you take a buddy of mine. His brand new laptop has no display drivers available yet so it will load but nothing on the screen.
That doesn't really answer the question still. All phones are very different from each other, but this is the case for computers as well.
For example: The moest important parts of a computer:
CPU, Motherboard/Network Card,Memory,GPU,Harddrive
Phone has:
CPU,Motherboard,Network Card/Memory,GPU,Flash memory
So basically the same things. I think the big difference is the drivers. On Windows, Microsoft makes the software and manufacturers put their drivers online for end users to downlaod. On Android, drivers aren't just given to end-users and often they are closed source and way harder to extract. Else, you could take the drivers from HTC One, remove the drivers from Galaxy S4 and make a S4 ROM for HTC One. Unfortunately, they just haven't been able to do stuff like that and I think it is because the drivers are to hard to extract.
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That doesn't really answer the question still. All phones are very different from each other, but this is the case for computers as well.
For example: The moest important parts of a computer:
CPU, Motherboard/Network Card,Memory,GPU,Harddrive
Phone has:
CPU,Motherboard,Network Card/Memory,GPU,Flash memory
So basically the same things. I think the big difference is the drivers. On Windows, Microsoft makes the software and manufacturers put their drivers online for end users to downlaod. On Android, drivers aren't just given to end-users and often they are closed source and way harder to extract. Else, you could take the drivers from HTC One, remove the drivers from Galaxy S4 and make a S4 ROM for HTC One. Unfortunately, they just haven't been able to do stuff like that and I think it is because the drivers are to hard to extract.
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You are also missing the fact of the kernel is made to work with certian hardware. Now porting a a base rom is not that hard. Winzip rom devs do it all the time. You can take a rom from an HTC and port it over to the S4 persay but things like Sense will not work has the framework is made to work with only HTC hardware. Samething with TW.
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You are also missing the fact of the kernel is made to work with certian hardware. Now porting a a base rom is not that hard. Winzip rom devs do it all the time. You can take a rom from an HTC and port it over to the S4 persay but things like Sense will not work has the framework is made to work with only HTC hardware. Samething with TW.
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The manufacturers are locking their framework as well, that is certainly true
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So I'd like some help in figuring out how to get Windows 8 on the Galaxy Tablet 10.1...Where do begin, in order to make this happen?
It's very simple actually:
1) put the Windows 8 DVD into the galaxy tab
2) press ctrl-alt-delete
3) dunk your tablet in a lukewarm solution of flour, salt, baking soda, and milk
4) make up a raindance
5) do 30 seconds of research, including a simple search of the forums, before you post
You can actually skip the salt in #3. Usless step.
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Same question i have been seeing in the Galaxy Tab 7, re-posted many times xD
Why would you like to see windows on tablet? if you want just simply go buy the new samsung Tablet ( laptop) with windows inside it
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Same question i have been seeing in the Galaxy Tab 7, re-posted many times xD
Why would you like to see windows on tablet? if you want just simply go buy the new samsung Tablet ( laptop) with windows inside it
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That logic is retarded.
You could say the same thing about any development thread were people are porting roms/os's to non original devices.
The whole point of XDA is to push our devices to the limits, this sometimes means putting roms, operating systems and apps on our devices that were never designed for them.
@ OP
You will not see Win8 on non-windows devices until devs find a way to boot the ISO/build and also locate drivers for them. Once this happens you wont need to create topics like this as you will just need to look for a few seconds or use search to find topic.
SSD in the Galaxy
I would guess that the Samsung Windows 8 tablet and the Galaxy 10.1 would share some similarities within the chipset, which would probably mean windows 8 'may' already have quite a few drives for the tablet.
Is there a way to access the SSD drive on the Samsung Galaxy as a raw device rather than MTP?
Windows 8 on any current android tablet won't happen, there are only x86 and x86_64 builds out, so until Microsoft comes with an arm build, doesn't matter if you can boot an ISO since the tablet is not able to run x86 or x86_64 binaries
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Windows 8 on any current android tablet won't happen, there are only x86 and x86_64 builds out, so until Microsoft comes with an arm build, doesn't matter if you can boot an ISO since the tablet is not able to run x86 or x86_64 binaries
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Damn, I forgot, after you add the salt, but before you do the raindance, you have to create an ARM build of Windows 8. I always leave out an important step...
It seems you forgot that you need to use a Mac on Mars to do the Windows 8 build
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Windows 8 on any current android tablet won't happen, there are only x86 and x86_64 builds out, so until Microsoft comes with an arm build, doesn't matter if you can boot an ISO since the tablet is not able to run x86 or x86_64 binaries
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<serious>This is the key sticking point for now. Once Microsoft releases an ARM build for Win8, there may be a chance of getting it onto the SGT10.1.</serious>
Alternatively, if you can find a way of booting your Tab using a .iso stored on another Tab, whilst repeating the correct initiation spell 3 times backwards then it's not a difficult process.
Less likely. The nVidia chipset in our tablets (got the 8.9) is crap. It struggles with HC... let alone a windows OS...
Also, what people don't realize is even if Microsoft releases an ARM build of windows, it won't run their normal x86 apps either.
You'd be surprised how many apps use managed .net, those apps will run nicely(ish) on arm since you got a JIT in between the application layer and the kernel level
It will probably be more likely to get a windows 8 tab and attempt a dual install of Android. Android 1.6 I believe was possible, I did it on my NetBook but with no touchscreen it was pointless lol
Hi @ all,
it is funny to see how XDA people react on a simple question.
Simple question <-> a lot of know how and strange terms...
The little OP stays there and take the arms up to the head and says: ahhhhh
Everybody from us know how it is when the know how grows, more and more.
But please.... never forget where we all come from based on the first day with a mobile phone and XDA was online. We all are beginners, every day when the sun comes up.
BTW:
Question for the OP: why do you want to run windows on a tab? Because it is possible, or it is your favior to click on popups?
Thats a serious question.
NOTE:
In the past (long time go) we had have printers as screen. Oops, that was to far in the past.
I was really there. Oops, how old i am?
PM:
Android is a good and stable OS and i hope it takes over Windows once. Long life UNIX...
OK. I have only one question. Why it is posible to install win8 on ipad one and two and not on our tabs?
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OK. I have only one question. Why it is posible to install win8 on ipad one and two and not on our tabs?
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You mean this? Its not actually running it, and look how sluggish that is.its just remote desktop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxTJ0Bzf9SA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Good lord, Remote desktop and installing are 2 different things../facepalm
You don't actually think he installed it on the iPad right? Then again I have ubuntu on 10.1, does that mean I installed it? :\
if you have an external HDD, how does it work with an android device like ss galaxy tab? does it recognize it? I don't have a tablet to try this. suppose I could try my phone, but it doesn't have a usb port and I don't have an adapter.
Try to use MacOSX...it's also LINUX based...TABUNTU re-writes the boot so that you see the familiar LINUX bootscreen,and something more,it recognizes our processor as x86,I know it's armv7 but That is possible and I am serious...
I have a broken HP Pavillion laptop..
can i do something with it.... as in make a tab or something like that out of it?
Probably, it's can turn on but you have black screen and noise. Need's GPU reballing. You can't do it yourself.
Pavillions are so crap, I have many clients with GPU problems.
If it's not GPU, describe your problem.
Do you want to put android on it?
It don't think it will work very well, even though android now can run on normal x86 CPUs, check out the Android x86 Project. The problem are the drivers, you can't just use the windows/linux ones.
I hate hp. I use a hp DV6000. Pos laptop. Thinking bout getting an alienware soon or maybe a macbook pro and run it as a vm with win7.
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Why have you posted this in the Android General section? This isn't directly related to Android.
To answer your question, it's quite unlikely that you can do anything with it now. What you're asking for is too far fetched at the moment. It's not easy to port a perfect working version of Android to a computer.
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Well, if it's still functioning, you can put some Linux distro, make a nice frame for it and use it as a bigger digital photo frame.
Hi all. I have a random question. Why is android criticized for its fragmentation but not windows.
Doesnt windows pc come with so much more different hardware Configurations?
How do developers do it for windows then?
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lol...
IMHO The main problem is that despite the numerous configurations of PCs the OS is always the same. Unique to all/everybody no matter the hardware.
The differences are solved using custom Drivers for the HW (usually from the manufacturer) but that does not change the OS.
But with Android, there is not a "unique/universal" version that works on every hardware. It is modded by every hardware manufacturer/implementer.
Starting from the "root version (official android release)" Drivers are usually integrated to the OS. Also many Mods by each developer. So, in the end you get a "customized" version of the original. And so the so called "fragmentation"
This is one of the main advantages/deficiencies of open source. You are not tied/limited by a closed source OS, but in the other end, you have lots of variation of the same software.
Just a few random thoughts ...
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So, with Ubuntu Mobile capturing the attention of hundred of thousands I thought I would ask the one question that's been in my head since the first time I heard of Ubuntu Mobile, what about other Linux distros?
Considering Ubuntu is Debian-based and one of Ubuntu Mobile's key selling points is "it's the same is your PC" software-wise *cough* bloatware *cough* how likely do you think it is for a similar feat to be acomplished by another Linux distro (I like the ring of 'Arch Mobile' :cyclops: ) or will this be a more disgustingly exclusive Ubuntu feature (much like Unity, which didn't gain much traction in other distros).
Please voice your opinion on the matter, even if it's not completely relevant. I'd like to see how the community sees this.
Ubuntu for mobile has optimised stdio.h for touch screen mode of input and integration for touch input device at kernel level. Maybe if another distro can achieve this... Probably need a lot of libs & /dev/ mod files to get compatible drivers for touch devices. Repositories (apt.get, rpm, deb & yast etc) need to haxe modified programmes (apps) optimised for phone display, i/o etc.... Not an easy task.....
Dead cookies leave no trails...
Maybe a mobilised version of PackageKit would work for package management woes, if not I think there may be hope depending on how the phone utilises its 'desktop mode' and that can resolve issues that may accompany distro-specific issues (like Arch's KISS philosophy) and the libraries will be added to repositories (or even just made into an installable package?) for touchscreen usage and hopefully packages could be installed traditionally (i.e. 'apt-get install' 'pacman -S' 'yum install' 'dpkg -i' etc.)
I built a Linux image for my phone (Galaxy Spica)
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I built a Linux image for my phone (Galaxy Spica)
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Oh that's quite interesting, when it was running a Linux image was your phone still running Android and with Linux working inside Android (using VNC for X etc.) or was it running natively in the same fashion as Ubuntu Mobile is said to be?
I would think that any Distro based of Ubuntu will be able to be run on a phone.
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I would think that any Distro based of Ubuntu will be able to be run on a phone.
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I hope by the time all the mobile software is "figured out" (for lack of a better word) that using the device-specific software won't be limited to Ubuntu-based distros, I don't mind Ubuntu and its derivatives per se, but I much prefer using a more advanced distro; but I suppose Ubuntu is what you make of it
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I would think that any Distro based of Ubuntu will be able to be run on a phone.
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This is not a comletely new idea mind you. We have two Ubuntu/Linux threads in the Asus Transformer tf101 dev thread. Both are WIPs but both have many users who are working on making the process better and simpler to have Linux and Android dual boot. Both methods are for native install as well so no need for chroot or VNC.
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Interesting thought. I don't know if the variation will come from other Linux flavors or just different themes or desktop environments. Could it just be that there are themes or desktop environment like cinnamon, XFCE, pantheon and others instead of different Linux operating systems completely? Then again everything is going mobile so maybe the other Linux flavors will disappear unless they follow in Ubuntu's steps and go mobile.
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Cl3Kener said:
Interesting thought. I don't know if the variation will come from other Linux flavors or just different themes or desktop environments. Could it just be that there are themes or desktop environment like cinnamon, XFCE, pantheon and others instead of different Linux operating systems completely? Then again everything is going mobile so maybe the other Linux flavors will disappear unless they follow in Ubuntu's steps and go mobile.
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No, not everything is going mobile. It's just that x86 machines have reached saturation point by now; everyone has one, so the focus is on getting a smartphone or a tablet. Plus, hardware is so powerful that there's no real need to upgrade. Software has not caught up. Even as a gamer, my ATI 6950/Phenom II 955 box hasn't had an issue with running everything topped out so far, new games and all. For sure, you don't need much just to run the everyday stuff like Chrome or Office. People still use desktop computers quite a bit, though in quite a lot of households I do find that it's not at all uncommon for the computer arsenal to consist exclusively of laptops (though that is still x86 and not ARM).
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No, not everything is going mobile. It's just that x86 machines have reached saturation point by now; everyone has one, so the focus is on getting a smartphone or a tablet. Plus, hardware is so powerful that there's no real need to upgrade. Software has not caught up. Even as a gamer, my ATI 6950/Phenom II 955 box hasn't had an issue with running everything topped out so far, new games and all. For sure, you don't need much just to run the everyday stuff like Chrome or Office. People still use desktop computers quite a bit, though in quite a lot of households I do find that it's not at all uncommon for the computer arsenal to consist exclusively of laptops (though that is still x86 and not ARM).
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Well obviously software developers and video gamers will always have desktop computers. It's people that aren't processor hungry that just want to check emails and social media that are going mobile. I know people that don't even own a computer and just use internet through their phones. I can see them embracing of having their phone work as a computer when they dock it into a monitor keyboard mouse environment. That's the only way they could teach their kids about computers.
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I'd love to see Debian for phones. But once I think about it. There's nothing "new" about this concept. Technically Its already out as I have native Debian and arch Linux on my iconia tab via an arm ports. Touch screens support has been patched into the Linux kernel since the 2.6.x series so it works great at the hardware level. So when I get to to bottom of all of the hype all I see is canonical marketing some sort of Unity Touch. (Gnome and KDE were too big I guess ). My point is what bother to get another ubuntu like os for phones when there's already 99% of distos already ported to arm and touch. The only thing that Ubuntu for phones can do that the Debian/other linux ports can't do is make calls, but any hacker with a pair of tweezers could port the radio interface to a Linux distro.
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When I click the mirror downloads button I get a "This site can't be reached" error. I can't use the torrent download link where I am.
Vdekjeza said:
When I click the mirror downloads button I get a "This site can't be reached" error. I can't use the torrent download link where I am.
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The reason is because Jide has left the consumer market, and had completely stopped supporting their consumer products.
Now they only work with enterprises.
Try Phoenix OS instead.
Download torrent.
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The reason is because Jide has left the consumer market, and had completely stopped supporting their consumer products.
Now they only work with enterprises.
Try Phoenix OS instead.
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How does Phoenix compare with Remix? Will it work on a TW700 tablet? I have been trying for over a week to load Remix 3.0 with zero success
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Shehzada said:
How does Phoenix compare with Remix? Will it work on a TW700 tablet? I have been trying for over a week to load Remix 3.0 with zero success
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To say the truth, I had not gotten the chance to check Phoenix OS lately.
However, since you have a BayTrail CPU (those did not get much supportĺ I think that you're better off with the Android-X86 LOS or standard Linux (I highly recommend Solus, and the GNOME 3 UI has great support for touch displays), and even then, you will need to compile some of the drivers yourself (such as the touch driver for the screen, until you do so, you will absolutely have to connect a mouse and keyboard).
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To say the truth, I had not gotten the chance to check Phoenix OS lately.
However, since you have a BayTrail CPU (those did not get much supportĺ I think that you're better off with the Android-X86 LOS or standard Linux (I highly recommend Solus, and the GNOME 3 UI has great support for touch displays), and even then, you will need to compile some of the drivers yourself (such as the touch driver for the screen, until you do so, you will absolutely have to connect a mouse and keyboard).
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Thank you so much. I am checking your recommendations as i type this.
My other problem is the 1GB Ram. Which one of those you think will work best.
I am planning on connecting it via HDMI to my TV and running just 1 android app (hmdi audio/video is all i need). I don't care about touchscreen support.
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Thank you so much. I am checking your recommendations as i type this.
My other problem is the 1GB Ram. Which one of those you think will work best.
I am planning on connecting it via HDMI to my TV and running just 1 android app (hmdi audio/video is all i need). I don't care about touchscreen support.
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With only 1 GB of RAM, I highly recommend using Android-x86's LOS 15.1 (you will still need to compile the touch driver for the screen, and probably other drivers as well, including audio and HDMI.
Thanks...will let u know how it goes.
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You were right. I wasn't able to find LOS 15.1 but did boot 14.1 and though it did reboot on its own twice, it did finally load. It was however very slow.
I tried it on the TW801 which has 2GB Ram and it was more fluid. Touchscreen did work and so did Wifi. Hdmi audio was the bummer.
I have officially given up installing android on the TW700.....I don't think tje tablet is capable of running it well and even if it did.... HDMI audio will be a lost cause.
Thanks for your help....i appreciate it and at least I did finally got to see android on it.
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You were right. I wasn't able to find LOS 15.1 but did boot 14.1 and though it did reboot on its own twice, it did finally load. It was however very slow.
I tried it on the TW801 which has 2GB Ram and it was more fluid. Touchscreen did work and so did Wifi. Hdmi audio was the bummer.
I have officially given up installing android on the TW700.....I don't think tje tablet is capable of running it well and even if it did.... HDMI audio will be a lost cause.
Thanks for your help....i appreciate it and at least I did finally got to see android on it.
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Wait, how about you try running a standard Linux distribution on it?
You may still need to compile the drivers, however there is a higher chance that things will work properly after running updates and rebooting without any compilations.
I tried ubuntu live...slow on the 700 better on the 801. I ordered an Android box..... should receive it today. Lol
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Shehzada said:
I tried ubuntu live...slow on the 700 better on the 801. I ordered an Android box..... should receive it today. Lol
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However did touch work properly?
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However did touch work properly?
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Touch did not work.
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Touch did not work.
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And this was Ubuntu 18.04, correct?
I tried 16.04.4 64 bit
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I tried 16.04.4 64 bit
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Why such an old version?
18.04 has a much newer kernel (I think 4.14 or 4.15), and as such, has a much higher chance of working properly with your hardware (you may still need to compile drivers, however it's not too hard when people have already prepared the code and instructions for you), plus, it uses GNOME rather than Unity (which is discontinued by Canonical), which is at version 3.28, a release that brought many optimizations to system resources, so it should run more smoothly.
Also, when installed, it'll be be much faster, since the internal NAND is much faster than a USB drive, partly because of the fact that it ustilizes the SATA protocol, rather than the USB protocol, and partly because the chip is just way faster.
I thought that my limitation is the poor processor and the RAM. If I had a celeron it would fly.
These tablets are only good for the operating system they came with from the factory.
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I thought that my limitation is the poor processor and the RAM. If I had a celeron it would fly.
These tablets are only good for the operating system they came with from the factory.
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While an Atom processor is certainly no fun (I have an old Dell Inspiron mini 1018, so I know how it feels), it can be faster than you think.
That old laptop (it was also my first laptop) has a single core Atom CPU, from the N series (the N455), and I was running it with Windows 7.
While it does not have an OS right now (I accidentally broke the keyboard connector on the motherboard while testing RAM sticks for work (I volunteered to do this), and salvaged the hard drive for my desktop (I have 12 hard drives, and 10 trays, 2 of which are are for 2.5" drives. The hard drives were all, save for one, which was bought second hand together with the computer (the case was bought seperately), salvaged from old PCs that people had thrown away), it runs alright on Ubuntu (and slightly better on Solus), however you have a quad-core Atom, which also generates less heat (so less throttling), so it will run much better.
I am not saying that the OS will fly, after all, it does not have a core i3 CPU, however it will outperform your expectation.
Thanks. Today I can't wait to get home to the Android box being delivered.
When I get some time....i will try to load 18.04 and report back. Thanks again.
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