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Would it be possible to get android in it's most purest form. Like the ones you see on Nexus phones and Google phones?
No touch-wiz, Samsung bloatware etc etc...
Just plain android as google made it.
CyanogenMod 7?
have you not heard of AOSP and Cyanogenmod?
I was about to post something similar.
I'm looking with a pure android rom too with the stability and performance of a stock rom, if not better ...
I was looking for the same thing a few months ago.
I don't like cyanogen mod as they add a few things to the menus and applications (and at the time it was only in alpha for GSII) ... I was after a completely stock AOSP rom without any changes.
Then I can across oxygen rom which I use now, it's very stable and is 99% AOSP, there's a few extras but they are hidden in the settings menu, so you wouldn't know it wasn't stock AOSP unless u saw the boot animation or new the AOSP settings menu off by heat.
http://forum.oxygen.im/
Highly recommend it unless anyone else knows of a better 100% AOSP stock rom.
svenerator said:
Would it be possible to get android in it's most purest form. Like the ones you see on Nexus phones and Google phones?
No touch-wiz, Samsung bloatware etc etc...
Just plain android as google made it.
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You just need to look in the development forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1183063
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310479
Cm7 is asop with stuff you would want anyway added.
For example sd card support, oc/uv etc.
Building a aosp rom would mean taking cm7 and removing useful features, you can just take cm7 and make it looks like asop, theres apks for the stock launcher, and themes are not hard to find.
Just remove apks for the dsp etc.
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veyka said:
Cm7 is asop with stuff you would want anyway added.
For example sd card support, oc/uv etc.
Building a aosp rom would mean taking cm7 and removing useful features, you can just take cm7 and make it looks like asop, theres apks for the stock launcher, and themes are not hard to find.
Just remove apks for the dsp etc.
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CM7 is not stable on the S2. I get lockups and freezes everytime I'm in the app drawer.
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nixeon said:
I was looking for the same thing a few months ago.
I don't like cyanogen mod as they add a few things to the menus and applications (and at the time it was only in alpha for GSII) ... I was after a completely stock AOSP rom without any changes.
Then I can across oxygen rom which I use now, it's very stable and is 99% AOSP, there's a few extras but they are hidden in the settings menu, so you wouldn't know it wasn't stock AOSP unless u saw the boot animation or new the AOSP settings menu off by heat.
http://forum.oxygen.im/
Highly recommend it unless anyone else knows of a better 100% AOSP stock rom.
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+1 this. Thanks, after seeing the ICS event, it made me want stock Android again. Can't wait for the source to drop and all our phones get some ICS love.
And a pure aosp rom would have similar problems at first, building a rom without opensource drivers is really hard!
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I've linked him to 2 AOSP ROMs already.
Long story short, about a year ago i got a Motorola Bravo (Android) phone for a few weeks but returned it because I couldn't really afford a data plan at the time. About a month ago I switched back to smartphones, this time for good, and now have a Samsung Galaxy SII.
The motorola phone had some AWESOME user-friendly features, such as resizing of widgets. Is this taken out because of Touchwiz or was that an older version of Android that's now obsolete? What all does Touchwiz take away functionality-wise? What does Gingerbread (2.3.6 to be specific) look like without Touchwiz?
I've yet to root my phone (the only reason I'd have right now is more battery life) but if I could reove Touchwiz and get some serious UI improvements, that'd definitely be a gamechanger for me
Motorola has Moto blur I think
HTC has sense
Samsung has TouchWiz
The clean Androind would be an AOSP based rom, like CM9/AOKP
I don't know if you understand me, I think I'm drunk or something right know can't remember
Oh
Galaxy Nexus is like what it looks witout the Touchwiz.
ScelestusAnimus said:
Long story short, about a year ago i got a Motorola Bravo (Android) phone for a few weeks but returned it because I couldn't really afford a data plan at the time. About a month ago I switched back to smartphones, this time for good, and now have a Samsung Galaxy SII.
The motorola phone had some AWESOME user-friendly features, such as resizing of widgets. Is this taken out because of Touchwiz or was that an older version of Android that's now obsolete? What all does Touchwiz take away functionality-wise? What does Gingerbread (2.3.6 to be specific) look like without Touchwiz?
I've yet to root my phone (the only reason I'd have right now is more battery life) but if I could reove Touchwiz and get some serious UI improvements, that'd definitely be a gamechanger for me
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Make sure to go the MIUI route if you're on GB or go the AOKP route if you're on ICS. Those are good starting points if you want to see some nice UI improvements. If you decide to go AOKP make sure to mess around in ROM control.
AOSP stock apps on ICS (AOKP/CM9) are much nicer than touchwizz/samsung ics apps.
UI Ranking
#1 AOSP (AOKP,CM9) and MIUI [all ICS based]
#2 MIUI GB , Sensation ROM GB (Samsung based rom), AOSP GB (CM7) (LunarUI theme)
#3 Stock Samsung ROM or Stock CM7 [both GB based]
Recommend Choice is AOKP http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1574718
Just make sure you know what you're doing when you flash
You just need a different launcher. Try go launcher.
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Biporch said:
Motorola has Moto blur I think
HTC has sense
Samsung has TouchWiz
The clean Androind would be an AOSP based rom, like CM9/AOKP
I don't know if you understand me, I think I'm drunk or something right know can't remember
Oh
Galaxy Nexus is like what it looks witout the Touchwiz.
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Oh yeah! Now that you mention it, i remember reading about Motoblur.
Cryosx said:
Make sure to go the MIUI route if you're on GB or go the AOKP route if you're on ICS. Those are good starting points if you want to see some nice UI improvements. If you decide to go AOKP make sure to mess around in ROM control.
AOSP stock apps on ICS (AOKP/CM9) are much nicer than touchwizz/samsung ics apps.
UI Ranking
#1 AOSP (AOKP,CM9) and MIUI [all ICS based]
#2 MIUI GB , Sensation ROM GB (Samsung based rom), AOSP GB (CM7) (LunarUI theme)
#3 Stock Samsung ROM or Stock CM7 [both GB based]
Recommend Choice is AOKP http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1574718
Just make sure you know what you're doing when you flash
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Are these custom Roms or just the normal Android OS without the company's additions to it? I have gingerbread atm (I'd rather wait for ICS until the official release from AT&T)
hobbs said:
You just need a different launcher. Try go launcher.
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I tried Go launcher. I didn't like how it was basically an OS on top of the normal OS. They both were running at the same time and I had to rearrange my apps to make them the same as they were. I just want the Android OS without the stupid additions/subtractions from Samsung/Motorola/etc >.<
However I have to say, I do like how Go Launcher doesn't require rooting
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I tried Go launcher. I didn't like how it was basically an OS on top of the normal OS. They both were running at the same time and I had to rearrange my apps to make them the same as they were. I just want the Android OS without the stupid additions/subtractions from Samsung/Motorola/etc >.<
However I have to say, I do like how Go Launcher doesn't require rooting
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You do realize, right, that Touchwiz is a launcher too? And even vanilla Android builds use a launcher? When you use Go Launcher, it's not running "on top of" what's already there; it's replacing Touchwiz.
I'm sorry, but you can't have vanilla Android OS without installing it in the form of a custom ROM. Samsung makes their own builds of Android, which is what you have. If you want something else, somebody else has to build it...meaning the developers on this forum.
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You do realize, right, that Touchwiz is a launcher too? And even vanilla Android builds use a launcher? When you use Go Launcher, it's not running "on top of" what's already there; it's replacing Touchwiz.
I'm sorry, but you can't have vanilla Android OS without installing it in the form of a custom ROM. Samsung makes their own builds of Android, which is what you have. If you want something else, somebody else has to build it...meaning the developers on this forum.
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Maybe it just felt like that because I could cancel it at any time and go back and forth between normal touchwiz and Go launcher. I know this is a versatility feature, but I'd rather have that disabled, as crazy as it may sound.
But that's good to know. I didn't know a launcher was REQUIRED, just thought it was what most people did. I'll look into other launchers.
Is there still one where you can resize the UI elements and stuff like that?
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Maybe it just felt like that because I could cancel it at any time and go back and forth between normal touchwiz and Go launcher. I know this is a versatility feature, but I'd rather have that disabled, as crazy as it may sound.
But that's good to know. I didn't know a launcher was REQUIRED, just thought it was what most people did. I'll look into other launchers.
Is there still one where you can resize the UI elements and stuff like that?
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As mattdm said, all Android builds require a launcher. Otherwise you'd have no usable GUI. When you were switching back and forth between GO and TouchWiz were you using a home/launcher switcher, or were you just using the default ui to choose one each time you went to your home screen?
You can have several launchers installed and use a switcher to make one "stick" until you decide you want a different look/feel.
Some prefer GO or LauncherPro. I use ADW EX and TouchWiz. ADW and LauncherPro are very configurable. VERY. Both have their ardent fans. I've not used GO.
PS: You do NOT want the ability to change launchers disabled. ;-)
ScelestusAnimus said:
Maybe it just felt like that because I could cancel it at any time and go back and forth between normal touchwiz and Go launcher. I know this is a versatility feature, but I'd rather have that disabled, as crazy as it may sound.
But that's good to know. I didn't know a launcher was REQUIRED, just thought it was what most people did. I'll look into other launchers.
Is there still one where you can resize the UI elements and stuff like that?
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Uhh... touchwiz lets you resize certain widgets... (UI elements) pretty sure go launcher and adw ex do too...
Biporch said:
The clean Androind would be an AOSP based rom, like CM9/AOKP
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CM9 uses the Trebuchet launcher. as it has been hammered multiple times, all roms use some sort of launcher. I'm not sure what AOKP uses, but I'd wager its either Trebuchet, nova, or apex..
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CM9 uses the Trebuchet launcher. as it has been hammered multiple times, all roms use some sort of launcher. I'm not sure what AOKP uses, but I'd wager its either Trebuchet, nova, or apex..
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I believe it comes with both apex and nova. They are fairly similar but each have a few unique features.
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CM9 uses the Trebuchet launcher. as it has been hammered multiple times, all roms use some sort of launcher. I'm not sure what AOKP uses, but I'd wager its either Trebuchet, nova, or apex..
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Tasks came with trebuchet. I switched to nova and I'm fairly sure that apex came on it too.
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ScelestusAnimus said:
Long story short, about a year ago i got a Motorola Bravo (Android) phone for a few weeks but returned it because I couldn't really afford a data plan at the time. About a month ago I switched back to smartphones, this time for good, and now have a Samsung Galaxy SII.
The motorola phone had some AWESOME user-friendly features, such as resizing of widgets. Is this taken out because of Touchwiz or was that an older version of Android that's now obsolete? What all does Touchwiz take away functionality-wise? What does Gingerbread (2.3.6 to be specific) look like without Touchwiz?
I've yet to root my phone (the only reason I'd have right now is more battery life) but if I could reove Touchwiz and get some serious UI improvements, that'd definitely be a gamechanger for me
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First off, Welcome to Samsung!
A little background.
AOSP = Android Open Source Program. Meaning, a open source of code editable by anyone.
Touchwiz/Motoblur/Sense = Not AOSP, they were written as a launcher/GUI for each phone by their developer (Motorola/Samsung/HTC). On top of that, these GUI/Overlays have their fingers into everything on a phone, this is why updates take so long. Google creates a new version of Android and passes it to the phone manufacturer, they in turn need to take that new version and paste their GUI/Overlay on top of it, this takes time and money. Further, once the phone manufacturer finishes updating, they need to give the software to the vendor (VZW/AT&T etc) who add more bloat/custom crap to the software.
Custom ROM's, are and are not AOSP, Some are pure AOSP like AOKP or CM (Cyanogenmod), they are written by groups of people, all of whom work in concert to bring you the ROM. Then there are custom ROM's that are not in the realm of AOSP. For example, I use Phone Bricker, written by LilChris here on XDA. This ROM is not really Open Source as it's written by one person, the author may give out the source, I don't know.
So what would your phone look like w/o Touchwiz? CM9/AOKP is as close as you'll get. Those ROMs use the closest to stock version of Android.
To confuse matters even more, there are Launchers, Go Launcher/Apex etc. They operate as yet another GUI on top of a GUI, inside a ROM. So you could have a stock, unrooted Galaxy S2, with Touchwiz and Go Launcher, and customize it to make it look like you want it too. Or, you could root your phone, Update to CM9 (running Ice Cream Sandwich btw), and use the launcher that they have there, or change that to Go Launcher.
The options are endless, read read read. I am new to Samsung, I came from Motorola where things are done quite a bit differently. I can tell you this though, you are infinitely better off with a Samsung phone than a Motorola Phone. Not only does Motoblur blow chunks, but Motorola is a terrible company as far as software updates go. Toss in locked bootloaders... anyway, I hope the above answered your question.
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Ive been messing around with root privileges for a while now, an think its nearly time to flash a new rom to get rid of all the crappy bloatware that comes preinstalled, and just generally get a few more features
What features will i lose if i chose to flash an AOKP rom rather than a modified touchwiz rom? i dont want to be losing NFC, Wifi Direct, Quick toggles or anything like that really if i can help it
Is there any benefit to an AOKP rom other than its an unaltered android experience?
Thanks
DUBS73P said:
Ive been messing around with root privileges for a while now, an think its nearly time to flash a new rom to get rid of all the crappy bloatware that comes preinstalled, and just generally get a few more features
What features will i lose if i chose to flash an AOKP rom rather than a modified touchwiz rom? i dont want to be losing NFC, Wifi Direct, Quick toggles or anything like that really if i can help it
Is there any benefit to an AOKP rom other than its an unaltered android experience?
Thanks
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From my experience AOKP roms are usually noticeably faster to switch between apps, to launch apps, multitask, and the home button lag is almost inexistent so they are really quick doing most of the stuff, there is a NFC fix somewhere around here in XDA I think most of the fixes you can find them on the Paranoid Android rom or the Super Nexus rom. On the other side... With the sammy roms you get all the cool extra features AND the camera! That they really come in handy most of the time!
Touchwiz is a ... Samsung ROM (sammy) launcher , AOKP is a ROM series based on CM anyway we've got and above description is more then enough . You better visit those threads to complete your doubts instead opening a new thread . AOKP = android open kang project
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I've had my Note 2 for a few weeks. This is the first phone I haven't rooted and put on a custom ROM. I came from a Galaxy Nexus where I tried many flavors of ROM. The one thing I really miss from 4.2.2 is the ability to put widgets on the lock screen. (I use pattern lock).
Let me say that I'm not annoyed by TouchWiz so that's not the incentive to put on a custom ROM. And I definitely don't want "pure Google" as I'd choose AOKP over AOSP any day.
I'm tempted to put on a 4.2.2 ROM on the Note 2 but I'd like to know what I'd lose by doing so. The ROM threads talk about the features of their rom but don't tell me about what I'll lose. So, here are some questions.
Do all of the unique features of the phone work properly?
Does the Spen work properly?
Are the Spen apps that Samsung supplies available?
Does Multi-Window still work?
Can I have a floating video player?
Do the capabilities of AllShare go away?
I'm especially dependent upon Samsung Motion: Palm touch to mute, quick glance,
Does Smart Stay work? (Screen stays on while looking at it)
Is there a bullet list of things that go away?
Thanks for any help given. I like to be informed before I jump in.
As long as it's a TouchWiz ROM everything works. On AOSP, it's trickier. S-Pen works as a stylus, but you need third party apps to get some of the features back, and you have no multi-window, and all the motion, smart stay, and similar features go away.
But, stick to TouchWiz ROMs and it all works fine.
Edit: I just noticed that you referred to AOKP and AOSP separately, but they aren't. AOSP is the Google open source drop, and many ROMs from CM to AOKP to PAC and more are based on AOSP. So, AOKP *is* AOSP.
If you use a non-touchwiz rom, all the things that make the Note a Note, go away. All the Samsung features, multi window, s-pen, smart everything, s-pen preview, pop-up browser, s-planner, everything goes away.
You can use a third party note taking app, there are other floating browsers, s-pen works as a stylus only, not cut & paste or pop-up notes.
Stick with MeanBeans or CleanROM if you want full functionality.
Thanks for the quick replies. Very helpful information. It begs new questions.
1. Is there a TouchWiz ROM that is running 4.2?
2. If not, what's the benefit of installing a 4.1 TouchWiz ROM?
3. Can I easily tell if a rom is TouchWiz? Do they state it in their description?
TabGuy said:
Thanks for the quick replies. Very helpful information. It begs new questions.
1. Is there a TouchWiz ROM that is running 4.2?
2. If not, what's the benefit of installing a 4.1 TouchWiz ROM?
3. Can I easily tell if a rom is TouchWiz? Do they state it in their description?
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1. None of the TW ROMs are 4.2 at this point.
2. The advantages of the custom ROMs are that they combine lots of individual mods to improve overall functionality. Things like adding all apps to multi-window, editing the APN information to use another carrier's sim for data, changing the toggles in the notification window, etc.
3. The ROM description will tell you if the ROM is touchwiz based. Take a look at the dev forum...they are all listed there http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1888
There are no 4.2 TW ROMs. There are 4.1.2 ROMs, but they are not based on Verizon software. Whether or not that matters depends on whether or not you use Verizon apps. My Verizon works fine, but Visual Voicemail, NFL Mobile, etc will not work. All the Samsung stuff still works fine.
As for benefit, they are leaner, usually quicker, and have more features and customizations available. You can choose what stock apps you want to install and which you want to leave out, and generally give you more control over your phone. Possibly of particular interest to you since you mentioned multi-window specifically, all the TW ROMs I've tried allow any app to be added to the multi-window toolbar, and not just the few that Samsung decided to put in there.
Look for one that isn't AOSP, CM, AOKP, etc. Also, if it's 4.2, it's not TW. Generally, you're going to find TW ROMs in normal development, and non-TW in original development.
Clean ROM 1.5 is based on Verizon ll4 code base. Almost everything should work. You can pick and choose what stock apps you want to install when you flash it.
This is the closest to stock experience while still getting the benefits of a custom ROM.
Link to all the features
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2073390
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Hey guys,
I'm using an LG stock based ROM on my LG G5 due to issues with AOSP based ROMs for this phone. I've managed to get a more or less completely stock AOSP appearance including the quick settings tiles and notifications. However, the last thing i'd love to be able to do is to install an AOSP style settings app. It doesn't need to necessarily replace the default settings app but it'd be cool if I could install something like this side by side..
I've googled this and can't find anything really but I figured i'd be better to ask the experts here
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Hey guys,
I'm using an LG stock based ROM on my LG G5 due to issues with AOSP based ROMs for this phone. I've managed to get a more or less completely stock AOSP appearance including the quick settings tiles and notifications. However, the last thing i'd love to be able to do is to install an AOSP style settings app. It doesn't need to necessarily replace the default settings app but it'd be cool if I could install something like this side by side..
I've googled this and can't find anything really but I figured i'd be better to ask the experts here
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Settings app is tied very closely with the system framework, so it's pretty much impossible to replace it with anything that isn't relevant to the current ROM.