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http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/143742?tstart=0
Just read this over on the official forums. Hopefully the time frame will be up soon
Nicely! Well spotted.
That's good news ^^
it is wonderful news but if they will fix wifi problem which didint fix with last update 3,2,1(release2) and i wait root access
I so love the feel of the tablet s!
Pity I rushed in and went for a xoom... :/
great~may ics will come soon
that is truly great news
Don't know why people are excited about Android 4.0, just because it is a newer version so it would be better. Is SONY known to be a better software company?
SONY Tablet S has very short battery life compared to iPAD, don't shut-off whatever is running in the background that eating up the batteries. I can leave my iPAD 64G for 2 months and power it up and it still have more than half the battery life. I leaved the Tablet S in my brief case for a day or two, it emitted a funny beeping sound. I now figure it out it is because the batteries run down below 10% and that is a warning sound.
Tablet S's charger is from stone-age. You need to carry a AC cable and this little brick. I didn't want to carry the heavy weight and bought an extra one and that cost $39.95 plus 8.5% CA sales tax. But it didn't really solve my problem because I need 4 of them. But charger connector is so unique that there is no substitute and its voltage is not standard so I can't just cut the wire and splice it to an USB cable. Samsung Tablet also has its own charger but it is small (but expensive). But you can use non-Samsung charger if you don't mind it took twice or more as long to charge it (I leave it overnight with an iPad charger). On the other hand, iPAD uses USB charger. Through the years I accumulate enough of those that I never have to carry the charger (small) around except one iPhone cable. I didn't like Apple's fascism on users so I bought the SONY to help out the industry but it is bitter-sweet experience. SONY has better camera and better feel on the hands. However, when it plays HD .wmv files the sound disappear because the hardware is not fast enough in spite it is dual-core at 1Ghz (the video player is a paid commercial version). iPAD2 beats it hands down but you need iTunes to get anything over to iPADs or iPhones that really is a pain at the neck.
I don't care any fancy name Sandwiches or Ice Cream or Android 4. I just want it to run smoothly, not to sleep on me or re-boot at times by itself. Give me a real sleep software that it will keep the battery standby longer because I don't like to wait for couple minutes every time I need to use it. In other words one of the beauty of Tablets over notebooks is instant ON.
I hope someone will answer my post and tell me what I did wrong with my SONY so it got so short operation life (4 hours or so) and short standby battery life (day and half). I don't think I got a defective machine. If that was the case, I would be very disappointed with SONY's quality control. Mine is a 32G version. BTW, the little leather case accessory for this baby is $99.99 plus 8.5% and it is no more than just a bag.
It just shows me SONY is ARROGANT and Apple is FASCIST. Samsung is trying to figure out which side to lean. I just wonder whether Google + Motorola will give use a better true U.S. machine(s).
jychan28 said:
Don't know why people are excited about Android 4.0, just because it is a newer version so it would be better. Is SONY known to be a better software company?
SONY Tablet S has very short battery life compared to iPAD, don't shut-off whatever is running in the background that eating up the batteries. I can leave my iPAD 64G for 2 months and power it up and it still have more than half the battery life. I leaved the Tablet S in my brief case for a day or two, it emitted a funny beeping sound. I now figure it out it is because the batteries run down below 10% and that is a warning sound.
Tablet S's charger is from stone-age. You need to carry a AC cable and this little brick. I didn't want to carry the heavy weight and bought an extra one and that cost $39.95 plus 8.5% CA sales tax. But it didn't really solve my problem because I need 4 of them. But charger connector is so unique that there is no substitute and its voltage is not standard so I can't just cut the wire and splice it to an USB cable. Samsung Tablet also has its own charger but it is small (but expensive). But you can use non-Samsung charger if you don't mind it took twice or more as long to charge it (I leave it overnight with an iPad charger). On the other hand, iPAD uses USB charger. Through the years I accumulate enough of those that I never have to carry the charger (small) around except one iPhone cable. I didn't like Apple's fascism on users so I bought the SONY to help out the industry but it is bitter-sweet experience. SONY has better camera and better feel on the hands. However, when it plays HD .wmv files the sound disappear because the hardware is not fast enough in spite it is dual-core at 1Ghz (the video player is a paid commercial version). iPAD2 beats it hands down but you need iTunes to get anything over to iPADs or iPhones that really is a pain at the neck.
I don't care any fancy name Sandwiches or Ice Cream or Android 4. I just want it to run smoothly, not to sleep on me or re-boot at times by itself. Give me a real sleep software that it will keep the battery standby longer because I don't like to wait for couple minutes every time I need to use it. In other words one of the beauty of Tablets over notebooks is instant ON.
I hope someone will answer my post and tell me what I did wrong with my SONY so it got so short operation life (4 hours or so) and short standby battery life (day and half). I don't think I got a defective machine. If that was the case, I would be very disappointed with SONY's quality control. Mine is a 32G version. BTW, the little leather case accessory for this baby is $99.99 plus 8.5% and it is no more than just a bag.
It just shows me SONY is ARROGANT and Apple is FASCIST. Samsung is trying to figure out which side to lean. I just wonder whether Google + Motorola will give use a better true U.S. machine(s).
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Ignoring the rant, the problem with standby usage of only a couple of days is due to your tablet not going to sleep (have a look in the battery usage graph). I had this and fixed it with a factory reset. Somewhere along the line something in an upgrade or similar stopped it sleeping. Factory reset has fixed it all for me.
jychan28 said:
Don't know why people are excited about Android 4.0, just because it is a newer version so it would be better. Is SONY known to be a better software company?
SONY Tablet S has very short battery life compared to iPAD, don't shut-off whatever is running in the background that eating up the batteries. I can leave my iPAD 64G for 2 months and power it up and it still have more than half the battery life. I leaved the Tablet S in my brief case for a day or two, it emitted a funny beeping sound. I now figure it out it is because the batteries run down below 10% and that is a warning sound.
Tablet S's charger is from stone-age. You need to carry a AC cable and this little brick. I didn't want to carry the heavy weight and bought an extra one and that cost $39.95 plus 8.5% CA sales tax. But it didn't really solve my problem because I need 4 of them. But charger connector is so unique that there is no substitute and its voltage is not standard so I can't just cut the wire and splice it to an USB cable. Samsung Tablet also has its own charger but it is small (but expensive). But you can use non-Samsung charger if you don't mind it took twice or more as long to charge it (I leave it overnight with an iPad charger). On the other hand, iPAD uses USB charger. Through the years I accumulate enough of those that I never have to carry the charger (small) around except one iPhone cable. I didn't like Apple's fascism on users so I bought the SONY to help out the industry but it is bitter-sweet experience. SONY has better camera and better feel on the hands. However, when it plays HD .wmv files the sound disappear because the hardware is not fast enough in spite it is dual-core at 1Ghz (the video player is a paid commercial version). iPAD2 beats it hands down but you need iTunes to get anything over to iPADs or iPhones that really is a pain at the neck.
I don't care any fancy name Sandwiches or Ice Cream or Android 4. I just want it to run smoothly, not to sleep on me or re-boot at times by itself. Give me a real sleep software that it will keep the battery standby longer because I don't like to wait for couple minutes every time I need to use it. In other words one of the beauty of Tablets over notebooks is instant ON.
I hope someone will answer my post and tell me what I did wrong with my SONY so it got so short operation life (4 hours or so) and short standby battery life (day and half). I don't think I got a defective machine. If that was the case, I would be very disappointed with SONY's quality control. Mine is a 32G version. BTW, the little leather case accessory for this baby is $99.99 plus 8.5% and it is no more than just a bag.
It just shows me SONY is ARROGANT and Apple is FASCIST. Samsung is trying to figure out which side to lean. I just wonder whether Google + Motorola will give use a better true U.S. machine(s).
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WHAAAAAAAAAAA....
That being said.... My tablet rocks! I am no fan of the ipad that my brother and best friend own and I have no idea how you could go a couple of days without using it... I actually like the power port since I have had two phones with the micro usb where the port went bad... This newly designed power port allows you to simply place in the cradle rather than struggling to force the thing in the stand had it come with a standard port.
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Can't wait for ICS to get here.
I know there is this hype around the S1 getting ICS, but how will it improve performance and functionality?
Men I have the ipad 2 and this a crap not flash soport and dont download apps an games and videos and see you pplay videos you have pot the computer usb cable in te computer tis a **** and the emulators not good in ipad 2 and the jailbreak is only 4.3.3 this tables is much bether with te ipad 2
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Jerz said:
WHAAAAAAAAAAA....
That being said.... My tablet rocks! I am no fan of the ipad that my brother and best friend own and I have no idea how you could go a couple of days without using it... I actually like the power port since I have had two phones with the micro usb where the port went bad... This newly designed power port allows you to simply place in the cradle rather than struggling to force the thing in the stand had it come with a standard port.
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Power port has ups & downs. It's a SONY-only cable, which sucks, but it's REALLY comfortable in using it. Better then USB if you ask me, although something universal was good too.
That aside, I really hope ICS will allow the S1 for micro-USB charging, so I can use my Duracell USB charger.
Furthermore, I agree that ICS has no REAL benefits on tablets, but it's always nice to have, no?
you're forgetting something.
a.) under the hood improvements
b.) pretty soon all droid tablet app devs will be targeting ICS. Honeycomb is a dead platform + it has tiny market share.
Not sure how reputable this site is but according to their speculation it is stating a release date by February 2012. Just thought I would share...
http://www.digitalversus.com/tablet...blet-android-4-0-update-announced-n22612.html
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Not sure how reputable this site is but according to their speculation it is stating a release date by February 2012. Just thought I would share...
http://www.digitalversus.com/tablet...blet-android-4-0-update-announced-n22612.html
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Seen it around on a few sites that ICS for Sony S will be rolling out in February
Its also official on their Facebook page.
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Its also official on their Facebook page.
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If its on Facebook then it must be true lol. I tried looking for their fan page but there is a few of them.
I read somewhere that ICS doesn't partition the "internal" memory space for apps and OS as honeycomb currently does, so this might release some space for those with the 16Gb version of tablets.
Anyone else heard this? If true, I'm sure it'll be good news for a lot of users.
So I have been waiting for the upgrade to the transformer since I got the transformer. The GPS issue is irritating, but the speakers on these devices blow by design, so I always have a trusty pair of bluetooth headphones with me that I can't use with my device as it destroys the wifi connection.
Now that I have my beautiful manufacturing mistake, I wonder what's next. What tablet is most likely to capitalize on the market share left open by the **** design that is the FULLY aluminum ATP back panel. I am a fan of the device but I'm worried that after they washed their hands of the GPS issue, they might do the same thing to the bluetooth issue. Currently I've been e-mailing Gary Key at ASUS who has thus far been unable to reproduce the issue. I can't get them to fix it if they can't track it down. Unless some of us have been saddled with substandard radios, I can't see how this problem can't be present in ALL ATPs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1423180
They can't wash it as bluetooth and wifi is a standard on all devices. Plus most people have said that their GPS worked before the first firmware update (one that came out in December) so I believe that it is both h/w and s/w related. The wifi and bluetooth should work no matter what, which again worked before the first firmware update. So I believe they need to release new firmware, which might come out with the ICS update next week, to get GPS partially working and wifi/bluetooth simultaneously working together.
I'm unsure. From what I've read the ALL-ALUMINUM back will cause problems for everything. They tried putting antennas near the glass but that doesn't work if you look at the GPS performance. It works a little better for WiFi due to the technology but currently, at least for my BBO Grey 32GB ATP, BT + WIFI = Death.
I recall someone making a stray comment about HC not being tested and that ICS will solve this. I will hold on to my ATP until ICS. If the problem persists I'm packing it up, sending it back and waiting for the next great Android Tablet to replace to Original Asus Transformer.
I like the performance of the ATP. The Flash performance(which I use 80% of the time) is loads better than the already acceptable Original Transformer Flash performance. And ICS on my Samsung Galaxy Nexus is better still than both Transformers due to ICS being so much smoother so I look forward to a Tegra3 Tab with ICS.
The problem seems to be that EVERY OTHER COMPANY has some sort of plastic bit to free the RF from their tablets. ASUS decided to forgo that altogether and we are paying the price for this I think. It's too bad they didn't find a way to make the back into an antenna.
EDIT: And no, for me the BT killing WiFi issue was there from the original rootable shipping ROM. It has, however, gotten exponentially worse with each update. Originally the problem took 4-5 minutes.. or 60ish megs of data. Then it went to about 2-3 minutes at 20-30ish megs and with the latest revision I get less than a minute at like 8 megs . By the time ICS comes out turning on bluetooth while streaming Netflix on WiFi will make my tablet spontaneously combust.
In the market looking to buy a 2nd tab in the family.
Seen a lot of offers for used TF201 (some with dock) for the same price as a new TF300...
What do you guys recommend to get, is the WiFi signal issue present in all TF201s and if yes, is it that bad? Or should i just get a new TF300 and forget about TF201?
Does the GPS dongle improve also WiFi signal (indirectly i suppose)?
What advantages does TF201 have over TF300 that should make me choose it over the latter for the same price (or even less)?
Thanks!
I have a C3 serial and it's pretty good.. I think the later versions were better.
But you will get a whole load of people post that the TF701 is better. SDCard fits, Wi-Fi signal is stronger, GPS get's location quicker..
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I have a C3 serial and it's pretty good.. I think the later versions were better.
But you will get a whole load of people post that the TF701 is better. SDCard fits, Wi-Fi signal is stronger, GPS get's location quicker..
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TF700 is a different story with a different price, at least in Europe
In scope of this thread is an used TF201 vs a new TF300
There's no denying the TF201 has been plagued with support issues. I returned my first one for WiFi problems. My second one the WiFi is fine. I stream movies on it regularly with no issues whatsoever, for example. GPS has been very bad on both without the dongle.
If you get it from a place that'll take a return/exchange it's a good buy, if not though, I'd recommend looking at other options. It's a great device when you get a good one only caveat that is even for a good one, if you are buying specifically for a lot of GPS stuff don't bother.
zerozoneice said:
Does the GPS dongle improve also WiFi signal (indirectly i suppose)?
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Dongle does nothing to help with WiFi signal. Strictly to help GPS.
GPS is unusable and is not an official feature anymore. Wifi works fine, however max throughput speed is not great, it's fine for streaming video's.
I think it's a great tablet _and_ the screen is great, very good outdoor use. The TF300 does not have this.
Personally.. my wifi was ok, GPS no good but the non-responding apps & powering off while sleeping were deal breakers for me.. I'd stay away from it especially used and unable to return. Luckly someone here found Best Buy willing to take the Primes back under manufacturer defect and I was lucky enough to have that happen for me. Delivering a TF700 tomorrow.
Just a few of my screenshot issues.. if ya want more I'd be more than happy to send them to you.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1765997
Stay away. Stay far away.
nyijedi said:
Stay away. Stay far away.
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you guys are scaring me
thing is i found a TF201 32GB with Dock, GPS dongle and case for less than a new TF300...guy says it's a C10 serial and has no wifi issues...
is there a serial# tracker that can verify if there is a wifi problem? were only few batches affected or it's a general build issue.
i got a TF300 today and playing with it but i can return it within 24h if there's something wrong with it...
I had a C1 Prime that I bought in Feb and exchanged for a 700 this past Friday. Wifi by itself was fine for the most part, but when I turned the B/T on using at the same time bandwidth plummeted (20 megs to about 2megs down), known issue.. my opinion I'd skip it for the 300, at least you know you wont have wifi/gps issues with it
zerozoneice said:
you guys are scaring me
thing is i found a TF201 32GB with Dock, GPS dongle and case for less than a new TF300...guy says it's a C10 serial and has no wifi issues...
is there a serial# tracker that can verify if there is a wifi problem? were only few batches affected or it's a general build issue.
i got a TF300 today and playing with it but i can return it within 24h if there's something wrong with it...
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Wifi works fine on my Prime. Don't read into everything you see on the forums too much. People like to blow things way out of proportion and make big deals out of nothing. They will make it sound like wifi doesn't work at all on the Prime and/or will complain that the signal drops off when they are outside their house 50 ft away, or that they only get 2 bars while their laptop gets 3 when in the same location. It's all bs; wifi is completely normal on the Prime. As for those that do have legitimate issues (very few from what I have seen) they are in the minority and should be contacting ASUS for RMA.
GPS on the other hand is not a supported built-in feature so don't expect it to work out of the box without the GPS dongle.
jordache16 said:
It's all bs; wifi is completely normal on the Prime. As for those that do have legitimate issues (very few from what I have seen) they are in the minority and should be contacting ASUS for RMA.
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LOL, be glad you got a Prime then that supposedly works 100%.
There are plenty of people here including myself who will disagree with you, and I'm no noob by anymeans, my router (Linksys E3000 "High Performance") is less than 5 feet away from me here buddy Its been reiterated over and over the metal backplate is a signal killer. I can't express how happy I was when Best Buy took the thing back.
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Wifi works fine on my Prime. Don't read into everything you see on the forums too much. People like to blow things way out of proportion and make big deals out of nothing. They will make it sound like wifi doesn't work at all on the Prime and/or will complain that the signal drops off when they are outside their house 50 ft away, or that they only get 2 bars while their laptop gets 3 when in the same location. It's all bs; wifi is completely normal on the Prime. As for those that do have legitimate issues (very few from what I have seen) they are in the minority and should be contacting ASUS for RMA.
GPS on the other hand is not a supported built-in feature so don't expect it to work out of the box without the GPS dongle.
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WiFi technically "works," but works like crap compared to other devices. This is not really debateable. I've tested my Prime on the same network in the same spot next to a Galaxy Nexus, iPad 1, and Nexus 7. Once you move a few feet away from the router (not exaggerating - a few feet), the Prime drops speed at a ridiculous rate. For example, next to the router, all devices, including the Prime, will get over 30 Mbps. As I move away from the router, in the same spot, my other devices will all pull between 15 and 20 Mbps, and the Prime will be lucky to see 3-5 Mbps. And then if I keep moving away, the Prime is always the first one to lose a signal, while the other devices will still download at about 1-6 Mbps. It really depends on your use case. If you'll be using it regularly in areas with good WiFi, you'll be fine. But don't say you weren't warned if you try and use it in areas with weak WiFi.
As for the GPS, just assume the Prime doesn't have it, because it is not functional. Hell, Asus admitted this much when they took it off the box. It does work with the dongle, but you also can't charge the Prime when the dongle is plugged in, so forget about keeping your Prime charged using the GPS on a long road trip.
jordache16 said:
Wifi works fine on my Prime. Don't read into everything you see on the forums too much. People like to blow things way out of proportion and make big deals out of nothing. They will make it sound like wifi doesn't work at all on the Prime and/or will complain that the signal drops off when they are outside their house 50 ft away, or that they only get 2 bars while their laptop gets 3 when in the same location. It's all bs; wifi is completely normal on the Prime. As for those that do have legitimate issues (very few from what I have seen) they are in the minority and should be contacting ASUS for RMA.
GPS on the other hand is not a supported built-in feature so don't expect it to work out of the box without the GPS dongle.
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Please speak for yourself ok?
The prime works fine for me when I'm close to the router, but degrades quickly as you move away. And I'm not talking about 50ft outside the house, I'm talking about the kitchen... 30 ft from the router with a door in between. Locations where other devices, such as my phone, have no issue keeping a decent connection...
Overall you can still browse pretty fine yeah and most of the time stream music. But for me there are hiccups, youtube videos (hd) pause and/or buffer regularly when not in the same room as the router, etc.
GPS is useless, but that is no issue for me as I have no need for it. IO is not great either, supposedly better with the TF700t.
So it' not useless but it is pretty weak and can (or will) cause issues in areas where your connection is not great... Just keep that in mind.
Other then these issues the prime is excellent, beatiful and sleek. The dock is awesome. But to be honest, I wish I could trade it in for something else or that there was some model like this on the market (a non-asus one in this case).
I love my Prime, but under no circumstance or influence could I possibly recommend it to anyone.
It's amazing when you have a model that works fine coupled with a good firmware version (or some custom ROMs I guess), but it's entirely too easy to get a bad mixture.
Mine is running fine after the mods in the development section (still haven't unlocked my bootloader), but WiFi is certainly dampened when compared to other devices. I've heard that certain channels and passcode encryptions are handled better than others. We're all still playing around to achieve optimal signal and it seems that messing with a bit of conductive foam inside the tablet helps to ground the antenna and improve reception. But that requires opening up (not hard) the tablet and technically voiding warranty (just have to be careful and clean).
The BlueTooth/WiFi complaints are completely true and valid depending on what (amounts of) data the BT is pumping out. I generally don't see too hard a hit with your average BT headset, but I think that using any actual stereo headset is going to cause your WiFi to become downright deplorable.
I can use my WiFi in most any room of both houses I spend most my time in *(where each house has 2 routers)*, and over most of my work-place *(which uses a pretty powerful commercial-grade router)*, and I only get a random reboot maybe once every few weeks or so (usually during heavy use, right after I've started bragging but just before the awesome game/app loads up lol). I can go anywhere between one and seven days on a single charge depending on use, that is my favorite part of the tablet/keyboard combo. Having a native setting to use the mouse pad for touch gestures is awesome. The two speakers located directly beside each other don't sound too bad, but are very uni-directional and lose against the outdoors. The screen is magnificent: I can use it any time, anywhere, and everything isn't over-saturated like many competitors' screens (arguably under-saturated though, depends on opinion, eyesight, and luck of the draw). Useful to have the extra mSD and SD slots though I never use the SD in the keyboard; I leave my mSD in at all times and have changed its mount point to within the /sdcard/ directory so that apps can actually access and make use of it. This is only possible because of the leather case I have, otherwise the mSD would long ago have ejected somewhere. /rant
Tl;dr:
It's a great, fun toy which tries to appear productive and savvy; it's entirely unreliable just like its manufacturer and will cause great embarrassment if "shown off;" and I absolutely would not recommend it to someone who does not want to dig down into fixing and patching and playing with the hardware and software.
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Also, as mentioned, GPS is not even worth mentioning
Which is why I do not recommend ASUS to customers regardless. They produce great PC components, they just have some serious quality control issues which are usually covered pretty well by warranty. But none-the-less, their inconsistencies in physical components makes them a general no-no for me.
zerozoneice said:
In the market looking to buy a 2nd tab in the family.
Seen a lot of offers for used TF201 (some with dock) for the same price as a new TF300...
What do you guys recommend to get, is the WiFi signal issue present in all TF201s and if yes, is it that bad? Or should i just get a new TF300 and forget about TF201?
Does the GPS dongle improve also WiFi signal (indirectly i suppose)?
What advantages does TF201 have over TF300 that should make me choose it over the latter for the same price (or even less)?
Thanks!
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My Prime was fine, maybe even better then fine. But if $300 is about what you were going to spend on a used Prime, I would go get the new 300. WiFi was good with the one I played with at the store the other day. Put it in a case and no one will ever know it's not a Prime.
Seriously - either get a TF300 or better, a TF700.. just pretend the TF201 never existed.
IF you have no use for a GPS (and think very carefully about that - Google Now, for example, relies on both not-fine(WiFi - really - you can't say the opposite of fine that rhymes with course?) and fine (GPS) location for a lot of things it does... and more and more apps are location aware...) and if you don't mind subpar WiFi and Bluetooth, then it's a nice tablet.
Unfortunately, since the TF300 is cheaper and the TF700 is the same price - but with a higher res screen AND both have working GPS, WiFi and BT - you'd be nuts to go with the TF201.
And to be honest - given how Asus has bunged up the entire TF201 fiasco, I'm not even comfortable recommending a Transformer at all. I'd wait for the Samsung Note 10.1 in two weeks, or any of the growing number of Transformer like Android tablets coming out soon.
I agree with buxtahuda all the way. The only reason I can hand my prime to another person to play with without fear of mockery is that I have repaired the improper backplate grounding to the wifi and gps antennas so the both now work well. This required taking it apart (which I didnt mind since I got it so I could do that). The second part of the equation for not being embarassed by my prime is that I put one of the new Jellybean (actually I have tried them all) roms on it. There seems to be no game playing issues or lag with these but since they are prebeta they are missing some features of the hardware.
My boss asked me to recommend a tablet for her after she saw my prime with dock in action at a meeting. I told her to get an Ipad.
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I agree with buxtahuda all the way. The only reason I can hand my prime to another person to play with without fear of mockery is that I have repaired the improper backplate grounding to the wifi and gps antennas so the both now work well. This required taking it apart (which I didnt mind since I got it so I could do that). The second part of the equation for not being embarassed by my prime is that I put one of the new Jellybean (actually I have tried them all) roms on it. There seems to be no game playing issues or lag with these but since they are prebeta they are missing some features of the hardware.
My boss asked me to recommend a tablet for her after she saw my prime with dock in action at a meeting. I told her to get an Ipad.
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Care to elaborate on the grounding issue? Are you talking those small spongy things?
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Care to elaborate on the grounding issue? Are you talking those small spongy things?
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Correct. We figured out forever ago that they carry continuity, so they're essentially a wire going to the case for grounding.
Or so I gather.
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I've had my TF201 since January and just saw the BB exchange thread. I am considering doing it, but have acouple of questions first.
1) Is it true that the ONLY upgrades are the back case (which increases BT, WIFI, GPS), screen resolution, and camera resolution
2) Is it true that the 201 dock works with the 700 (Asus says it wont, users say it does)
3) What do you all USE BT for? I haven't found a need for it, so I don't even know if mine works or not! (my laptop and phones also have BT)
4) My wifi seems to work just fine for me. In past tests, I get same (just fine) speeds as my laptop and droid 3 on the floor below and 2 rooms over from the router. Am I just not effected? Or am I just less demanding?
5) GPS w/o wifi doesn't work. What do you all use this for? I use my D3 when I need navigation, so I don't really have a need for this either...
I like that the 201 has less battery demand than the 700 and that may be reason enough to not do a free upgrade, though it is tempting to have the "latest and greatest" just because "I can".
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I've had my TF201 since January and just saw the BB exchange thread. I am considering doing it, but have acouple of questions first.
1) Is it true that the ONLY upgrades are the back case (which increases BT, WIFI, GPS), screen resolution, and camera resolution
2) Is it true that the 201 dock works with the 700 (Asus says it wont, users say it does)
3) What do you all USE BT for? I haven't found a need for it, so I don't even know if mine works or not! (my laptop and phones also have BT)
4) My wifi seems to work just fine for me. In past tests, I get same (just fine) speeds as my laptop and droid 3 on the floor below and 2 rooms over from the router. Am I just not effected? Or am I just less demanding?
5) GPS w/o wifi doesn't work. What do you all use this for? I use my D3 when I need navigation, so I don't really have a need for this either...
I like that the 201 has less battery demand than the 700 and that may be reason enough to not do a free upgrade, though it is tempting to have the "latest and greatest" just because "I can".
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1) Clock speed is slightly higher with the 700 and it has DDR3 ram vs DDR2 with the TF201
2) I have read several places (including Engadget) that the 201 dock works with the 700
3) I have used BT once with my 201 and that was to transfer 2 photos from my phone to my tablet
4) Wifi works fine for me as well. I have compared wifi throughput with my Prime to my Thunderbolt at several distances from my router and my Prime is on par with the Thunderbolt (even faster in some cases). The issue here is there is either a legitimate sporadic hardware issue that effects some users and not others OR others on here are too demanding.
5) I have yet to use GPS w/o wifi (don't need to, I have a phone for navigation)
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I've had my TF201 since January and just saw the BB exchange thread. I am considering doing it, but have acouple of questions first.
1) Is it true that the ONLY upgrades are the back case (which increases BT, WIFI, GPS), screen resolution, and camera resolution
2) Is it true that the 201 dock works with the 700 (Asus says it wont, users say it does)
3) What do you all USE BT for? I haven't found a need for it, so I don't even know if mine works or not! (my laptop and phones also have BT)
4) My wifi seems to work just fine for me. In past tests, I get same (just fine) speeds as my laptop and droid 3 on the floor below and 2 rooms over from the router. Am I just not effected? Or am I just less demanding?
5) GPS w/o wifi doesn't work. What do you all use this for? I use my D3 when I need navigation, so I don't really have a need for this either...
I like that the 201 has less battery demand than the 700 and that may be reason enough to not do a free upgrade, though it is tempting to have the "latest and greatest" just because "I can".
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1. Like the above poster said, there's also the higher clock speed.
2. I have the TF700 and am using the TF201 dock just fine.
3. Only use bluetooth for tethering... Someone else may use it for headsets or speakers.
4. My wifi was also working just fine on the Prime, but I have found that the wifi on the Infinity tops even that of my fully-functional Prime.
5. This was the first thing I tested on the TF700. With wifi off, it was able to lock on 13 satellites from my bathroom hahaha.
I say if you are able to do the upgrade, by all means do it.
My experience has been that assuming your Prime is one of the "good" ones that unless GPS or the Screen resolution is a major concern, they are really similar devices. The 700 gets a bump in clock speed but hardly worth upgrading for.
My prime's GPS is dead as a door nail, that's disappointing/annoying but not a deal breaker for me. But like you, my WiFi is as good as my laptop range/speed wise so it has been a non-issue and Bluetooth (which is a MUST for me) is totally solid. I can stream movies and listen via BT headphones all night long.
Surfing the TF700 boards, it looks like memory I/O, BT, and the stock ASUS firmware are hit and miss on the TF700 just like the Prime, but the WiFi and especially GPS are substantial improvements, even against the best functioning Prime. So really that plus the bumped clock and resolution which are nice but hardly problems on the Prime are all you're getting and if your WiFi is in the laptop class performance (i.e. good enough that you do not need to think about it when using the device), it becomes less of a big deal.
And getting a good TF even with the 700 STILL basically involves patience and knowing what to look and test for during the return window.
For day to day use a (tested good WiFi) Prime is a completely top of the line killer tablet for most uses, especially with a custom rom and some performance tweaks (SIO, etc). JB will make it even better. The only thing that would be a deal breaker on a functioning Prime would be for a heavy GPS user because it is a hardware issue that exists for virtually all of the Primes it seems (even those that work/lock without dongle cannot track well when moving apparently).
From my perspective, a TF700 is an overclocked Prime with a better GPS and bumped screen resolution. The WiFi already tops out faster than my router/ISP can deliver and range has never been a major problem. Would I trade it in at Best Buy straight up if I could find my receipt (I bought mine there but don't have access to the receipt or box, doh!)? Sure. Would I go to any significant expense to switch? No. It doesn't bring much to the Table. It's basically a Prime 1.1.
All that said, again, if you got it at Best Buy and you have everything necessary to return it. I wouldn't hesitate since it is a straight trade and there is no downside.
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My experience has been that assuming your Prime is one of the "good" ones that unless GPS or the Screen resolution is a major concern, they are really similar devices. The 700 gets a bump in clock speed but hardly worth upgrading for.
My prime's GPS is dead as a door nail, that's disappointing/annoying but not a deal breaker for me. But like you, my WiFi is as good as my laptop range/speed wise so it has been a non-issue and Bluetooth (which is a MUST for me) is totally solid. I can stream movies and listen via BT headphones all night long.
Surfing the TF700 boards, it looks like memory I/O, BT, and the stock ASUS firmware are hit and miss on the TF700 just like the Prime, but the WiFi and especially GPS are substantial improvements, even against the best functioning Prime. So really that plus the bumped clock and resolution which are nice but hardly problems on the Prime are all you're getting and if your WiFi is in the laptop class performance (i.e. good enough that you do not need to think about it when using the device), it becomes less of a big deal.
And getting a good TF even with the 700 STILL basically involves patience and knowing what to look and test for during the return window.
For day to day use a (tested good WiFi) Prime is a completely top of the line killer tablet for most uses, especially with a custom rom and some performance tweaks (SIO, etc). JB will make it even better. The only thing that would be a deal breaker on a functioning Prime would be for a heavy GPS user because it is a hardware issue that exists for virtually all of the Primes it seems (even those that work/lock without dongle cannot track well when moving apparently).
From my perspective, a TF700 is an overclocked Prime with a better GPS and bumped screen resolution. The WiFi already tops out faster than my router/ISP can deliver and range has never been a major problem. Would I trade it in at Best Buy straight up if I could find my receipt (I bought mine there but don't have access to the receipt or box, doh!)? Sure. Would I go to any significant expense to switch? No. It doesn't bring much to the Table. It's basically a Prime 1.1.
All that said, again, if you got it at Best Buy and you have everything necessary to return it. I wouldn't hesitate since it is a straight trade and there is no downside.
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Wonderfully thorough reply. Many thanks. (Thanks also to above posters who did a great job also in answering my questions).
I am about to buy this tablet...
But now I see a lot of threats here with many issues...
So now I am a little worried about this tablet instead of excited...
Question:
Is this tablet any good at all, or is it just bad quality all together ?
Would you rather have bought a different tablet, knowing what you know now ?
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Having only had it mine for a week, I've had 0 issues. Build quality seems exceptional on my 32gb WiFi model.
I personnaly tried many tablet, it's just a confort for design and power, it's just the best for me, i was htc addict and now i love Sony
I found the build quality to be very shoddy on the one I got, and I did end up returning it. The backing was coming unstuck, the screen flexed, there was a shadow along the bottom edge of the screen, a dead pixel, erratically sensitive screen, the breaking of Firefox Sync by the OS and these diagonal lines on the screen that really annoyed me.
However, I don't regret being able to try it, and Sony Canada made it very easy for me to return. If I had gotten a non-defective one, I would have been reasonably happy and waited for the Firefox Sync issue to be fixed.
If your excitement still outweighs your misgivings, just make sure wherever you buy it from has a good return policy and, better still, lets you open it up in-store and make sure the more common hardware issues (unsticking back, flexing screen, non-flush port covers) are absent.
Good luck.
i'm a little biased because i got mine with my sony card rewards points (and the 32gb model for 480 dollars worth of rewards points at that), but i'm definitely disappointed in this wifi vs bluetooth issue. no one seems to be able to figure it out and there are tons of people with the issue. basically once a device is connected via bluetooth, the wifi dies. it shows its still connected with a strong signal, but nothing will load. if i had paid cash and didn't have a sony card, i'd probably have returned it by now... which sucks because otherwise i really love the thing.
Very pleased with my model. SGP311.
No build issues, WIFI issues or anywhere else for that matter. Have used several tablets and this is the only one I've stuck with.
One very happy customer - highly recommended.
Has there ever been a device released without issues? Just protect yourself by always buying from a place with a convenient return policy, especially if you're spending this much money. Or buy at a place with the longest return policy (generally 14 days I think), and see how you like it for yourself.
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Has there ever been a device released without issues? Just protect yourself by always buying from a place with a convenient return policy, especially if you're spending this much money. Or buy at a place with the longest return policy (generally 14 days I think), and see how you like it for yourself.
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This is the best tablet I have ever had. No regrets. Even though I have had a few wifi issues where it disconnects, it reconnects quickly. Plus it only happens when I am fairly far away from the router.
I ordered mine directly from Sony (a US 312). I've noticed no build issues (much nicer than my Nexus 10 actually) or wifi problems. Rooting was easy, and after freezing the stuff I don't use, I'm getting a solid 10 to 12 hours or use out of it between charges. I'm using the charging doc (to avoid the micro USB port) as well as the Sony case (which is overpriced but still very nice). Best tablet I've used.
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Apart from battery taking really too long to fully recharge (6 hours) I can't complain about this tablet. Everything works as it should. I totally recommend it!
The only problem i am having is my computer will not recognized the tablet what so everrrr
Hi people,
I hope the OP don't mind me jumping aboard his thread with questions on my own.
I'm in the market for a tablet too (my first one) I recently bought a Galaxy Note 10.1 for my wife and I'm thinking about this one for myself.
My only concern is the WiFi issue since I'll buy it in the US but then I'll take it out of the Country so return it would not be possible.
How common is this issue?
I read some people saying it's not the tablet, but the router and setting should be changed while others say that Sony CS told them to return the tablet for an exchange (admiting then that the problem is in their product).
Changing settings on my own router would be possible (if that in fact solves the problem) but what about if you are using other sources like WiFi in public places?
Since I'll be using WiFi more than anything, should I buy this with confidence or should I go for other options? After all I think the major point that draws me to this tablet is the video quality (is it that noticeable compared with other tablets?)
Thanks for any input,
I dont know how some people got thier xtz with problems when i got mine with zero issues..
Anyway, stop asking bro and get one, if our life is a game this could be a weapon of mass destruction lol
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i say don't buy
I am returning mine. The thing won't charge, in fact it looses battery, when its plugged in and in use. I had the Time Warner Cable app on and had tv on in the background. The thing was plugged in. After a few hours the tablet died. Ridiculous.
arcsuser said:
I dont know how some people got thier xtz with problems when i got mine with zero issues..
Anyway, stop asking bro and get one, if our life is a game this could be a weapon of mass destruction lol
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My life might be a game but if it involves throwing $500 to the bin then I don't want to play...
thana108 said:
I am returning mine. The thing won't charge, in fact it looses battery, when its plugged in and in use. I had the Time Warner Cable app on and had tv on in the background. The thing was plugged in. After a few hours the tablet died. Ridiculous.
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Thanks for sharing I'm more linning to look for something else then.
If I was able to return it then I might gamble but I'm already stuck with another electronic I bought and I can't return because "the airline does not allow to transport anything with lithium batteries"
ferincr said:
My life might be a game but if it involves throwing $500 to the bin then I don't want to play...
Thanks for sharing I'm more linning to look for something else then.
If I was able to return it then I might gamble but I'm already stuck with another electronic I bought and I can't return because "the airline does not allow to transport anything with lithium batteries"
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Anyway, im not forcing you to get one just saying.. Its up to you..
Are you guys buying it from sony site? I got mine from amazon cause sony doesnt have a 1day delivery offer for me..
Amazon is "not that bad" no issues on the box or anything that will make me disappointed.. The only thing that i dont like is that they use a 1A7 type box which is kind of big for the tablets box and instead of bubble wrap its just some kind of paper like thing.. So if you shake the amazon box you can hear thr package inside.. But if we're talking about the tablets packaging, its fine
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ferincr said:
My life might be a game but if it involves throwing $500 to the bin then I don't want to play...
Thanks for sharing I'm more linning to look for something else then.
If I was able to return it then I might gamble but I'm already stuck with another electronic I bought and I can't return because "the airline does not allow to transport anything with lithium batteries"
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I don't have the charging issue with mine, or at the very least it isn't as pronounced. I did recently run into this issue with my Note 2 and it was because of the ROM and kernel combo I was running, it wasn't allowing the phone to charge as fast as it would on stock. That may have been the users problem, it may just be he has a crappy battery in his that needs to be replaced. I haven't noticed any big issues with mine, I have had it for a little over a month and a half, except for the screen pressure click that happens when you hold it awkwardly and it causes the screen to flex and your screen will click even though you didn't touch it because its reading the presses coming through from the back. That's because its so thin though.
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