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Hello ppl!
Well, maybe this is something a lot of you have already seen, but I just note it here to be clear for anyone!
Officially, the Sony Xperia S phone SAR value (EU, head) has changed from 1.30 W/Kg to 0.78W/Kg!
I remember seeing this 1.30 value in official Sony documentation @ sonymobile, but it seems that further testing dropped that to 0.78W/Kg?!?
Official link for reference is here!
What is this and what does this mean?
SAR is a “way of measuring the quantity of radio frequency (RF) energy that is absorbed by the body,” according to the Cellular Telecommunications Industry Association (CTIA).
This means that, the bigger the value, the worst for your health.
dragunov said:
SAR is a “way of measuring the quantity of radio frequency (RF) energy that is absorbed by the body,” according to the Cellular Telecommunications Industry Association (CTIA).
This means that, the bigger the value, the worst for your health.
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The question is why did it change? It's not like it reduces over time by itself...
That is my big question as well...
MOST probably, they initially gave out a rough value of the SAR without testing the actual device, and then performed the detailed tests, which resulted in the real value.
I do not think there is any other logical explanation to this.
Maybe our friend K900 can shed some light to this using his "friends"?!?
if its true then we more safer from getting cancer
dragunov said:
That is my big question as well...
MOST probably, they initially gave out a rough value of the SAR without testing the actual device, and then performed the detailed tests, which resulted in the real value.
I do not think there is any other logical explanation to this.
Maybe our friend K900 can shed some light to this using his "friends"?!?
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No idea. Guess they just did more testing. I can't say much about the hardware, it's not like they develop it here.
Am getting this phone today, which as I understand is basically a cheaper Padfone X for the rest of the world (very cheap in my country, Malaysia). However as the processor is Snapdragon 801 rather than 800, it probably needs its all subforum. Anyone knows how to request one?
ngoonee said:
Am getting this phone today, which as I understand is basically a cheaper Padfone X for the rest of the world (very cheap in my country, Malaysia). However as the processor is Snapdragon 801 rather than 800, it probably needs its all subforum. Anyone knows how to request one?
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PadFone S has better hardware then X, but (afaik) you can run X rom on S and vica versa.
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PadFone S has better hardware then X, but (afaik) you can run X rom on S and vica versa.
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Not that there ARE any X roms =) thanks for your reply!
I'm not brave (nor knowledgeable) enough to try out the twrp listed in the dev forum. However the price range the S is going for here means in sheer number of users its likely to be more than the X within a short amount of time. Not sure whether that translates into dev activity, but hard to find out without a subforum.
I think better add subthread.
Like there http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g MotoG + Moto4G
Just wanted to share this very direct comparison I found on YouTube, directly comparing the Snapdragon 855 to the Exynos 9820 both running on S10 software. Really not looking great for Exynos in relative comparison to the Snapdragon at least for the S10. Let me know what you guys think about this comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgRnbm9wrzg
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Just wanted to share this very direct comparison I found on YouTube, directly comparing the Snapdragon 855 to the Exynos 9820 both running on S10 software. Really not looking great for Exynos in relative comparison to the Snapdragon at least for the S10. Let me know what you guys think about this comparison.
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1. Will that translate to real world? We all know the grain of salt to take with benchmarks.
2. That's as good as it gets for SD, exynos will have custom kernels that could improve performance.
Not to mention the exynos could have an edge on battery. I'm not worried a bit.
Chronzy said:
1. Will that translate to real world? We all know the grain of salt to take with benchmarks.
2. That's as good as it gets for SD, exynos will have custom kernels that could improve performance.
Not to mention the exynos could have an edge on battery. I'm not worried a bit.
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I am also curious to know how this translates. The guy who created this benchmarks specifically states its supposed to translate to real world performance pretty well, but that's taking his word for it. We will see.
https://www.androidauthority.com/speed-test-g-926659/
Chronzy said:
1. Will that translate to real world? We all know the grain of salt to take with benchmarks.
2. That's as good as it gets for SD, exynos will have custom kernels that could improve performance.
Not to mention the exynos could have an edge on battery. I'm not worried a bit.
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1. That depends on the user. Nobody really cares about a phone talking an extra second or two to open an app but if it's work related then your time wasted is money lost.
2. There are Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloader's as well.
3. It doesn't. There are videos on YouTube you can search for.
Outbreak444 said:
1. That depends on the user. Nobody really cares about a phone talking an extra second or two to open an app but if it's work related then your time wasted is money lost.
2. There are Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloader's as well.
3. It doesn't. There are videos on YouTube you can search for.
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Do you happen to know which regions/models specifically will have an unlocked bootloader? How much development do you think we will see for those few models?
Really want an exynos chispset for the unlock, but none of them support band 71 as far as I know. Currently faced with a huge dilemma
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2. There are Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloader's as well.
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Any info on who's selling a S10 SD with an unlocked bootloader?
Low_Key_Slaps said:
Do you happen to know which regions/models specifically will have an unlocked bootloader? How much development do you think we will see for those few models?
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Any info on who's selling a S10 SD with an unlocked bootloader?
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I'm sorry, I was under the impression that the Latin American and Hong Kong Snapdragon variants were unlocked from the start (previous models) but turns out they need to be unlocked manually, I assume though some type of vulnerability.
People are talking about cancelling preorders... Kneejerk reaction, or justified? Hard to say, but I do know Samsung set loose the very first update of many. Perhaps it'll shrink the performance delta.
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People are talking about cancelling preorders... Kneejerk reaction, or justified? Hard to say, but I do know Samsung set loose the very first update of many. Perhaps it'll shrink the performance delta.
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Thinking serious kneejerk borderlining on freakout, but I'll know tomorrow night. Coming from a Pixel 3 so I have a good standard to judge performance from.
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Thinking serious kneejerk borderlining on freakout, but I'll know tomorrow night. Coming from a Pixel 3 so I have a good standard to judge performance from.
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What we've been shown won't necessarily translate to "real" usage. The iPhone XS blows just about everything out of the water. Despite that, certain Android phones match it in silly speed tests.
The average consumer uses social media, YouTube, navigation, browser, and streams music/movies. Considering how well these run on budget phones I'm certain the 9820 will meet - if not exceed the expectations of buyers. Now... the area everyone wants to know about is efficiency. Will the SD or Exy take the crown this year?
Samsung has proven it knows what it's doing with exynos in years past. If there does happen to be an issue, I'm certain they can issue a fix for their in-house built processor.
Isn't this just the same old fundamental issue Anandtech much talked about with the Exynos S9 last year? At least its not looking as bad as last year's SOC.
Exynos fares better here (compared to other reviews).
https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s10_plus-review-1901p5.php
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What we've been shown won't necessarily translate to "real" usage. The iPhone XS blows just about everything out of the water. Despite that, certain Android phones match it in silly speed tests.
The average consumer uses social media, YouTube, navigation, browser, and streams music/movies. Considering how well these run on budget phones I'm certain the 9820 will meet - if not exceed the expectations of buyers. Now... the area everyone wants to know about is efficiency. Will the SD or Exy take the crown this year?
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I can't post it because I'm new but Look at this one "Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus vs iPhone XS Max - Speed Test!" by XEETECHCARE, how can such "slow" chip defeat the XS Max most of the time? If Exynos is so crappy why does it still beat it?
Still no videos about the SD version against the iPhone, in theory it should beat it even harder, but I started to think that the power settings they use on the Exynos are more conservative, at least I hope that's the case.
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I can't post it because I'm new but Look at this one "Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus vs iPhone XS Max - Speed Test!" by XEETECHCARE, how can such "slow" chip defeat the XS Max most of the time? If Exynos is so crappy why does it still beat it?
Still no videos about the SD version against the iPhone, in theory it should beat it even harder, but I started to think that the power settings they use on the Exynos are more conservative, at least I hope that's the case.
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That is very impressive. Usually iphones are extremely hard to beat. It's good to see that Samsung is finally learning to remove bloatware and create much lighter software.
Here it is for anyone else;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uru9AnkgzHc
I think mostly the speed might come from UFS3.0. Soon someone will put snap vs exynos version next to each other, test it out and see which one is better so we will get a full picture. I don't play on my phone so day to day tasks and smoothness are the most important for me... Oh and battery life
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I think mostly the speed might come from UFS3.0. Soon someone will put snap vs exynos version next to each other, test it out and see which one is better so we will get a full picture. I don't play on my phone so day to day tasks and smoothness are the most important for me... Oh and battery life
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The S10 phones have UFS 2.1, the first phone with UFS 3.0 will be the Galaxy Fold
That xs max vs s10 video, scrolling was pretty choppy on the right phone.
The exynos model is alot better for battery life than the s9. As mentioned above the exynos model will usually run smoother and have better battery life.
Just got my S10e G970F setup and updated to the new patch with Feb security. This thing flies. Repeat.. no performance issues in casual use and I'm not sure under what conditions there would be issues. I'm sure Pubg runs just fine. Feels a noticable step faster than my Pixel 3, which is exactly what I was expecting. Full day battery test tomorrow..
Benchmarks are nothing.
(And really liking this phone so far)
Anyone knows what is the radiation (SAR) level (not value) of Huawei Mate 20 Pro?
And, how does it occur ... by switching on WiFi ... or as long as the phone is on ?
Thanks
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gen5000 said:
Anyone knows what is the radiation (SAR) level (not value) of Huawei Mate 20 Pro?
And, how does it occur ... by switching on WiFi ... or as long as the phone is on ?
Thanks
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My level is 0. I wrote a simple tool which switch the SAR to 0 if you don't need it.
JustChris20 said:
My level is 0. I wrote a simple tool which switch the SAR to 0 if you don't need it.
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What do you mean? Airplane mode? :silly:
JustChris20 said:
My level is 0. I wrote a simple tool which switch the SAR to 0 if you don't need it.
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which tool? and how?
please share, thanks.
Sar value of mate 20 pro
The bad thing about galaxy s10 which no reviwer talk about is the high SAR radiation of this phone, it's only 1 point less than acceptable limit i.e 1.6
Head Sar - 0.47 which is awesome
Body Sar - 1.59 but this is very high
I don't like Huawei brand but i was surprised to check huawei mate 20 pro has sar well below the limit.
Head 0.40, body 0.96. even the p30 pro has head 0.64, body 0.99
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The bad thing about galaxy s10 which no reviwer talk about is the high SAR radiation of this phone, it's only 1 point less than acceptable limit i.e 1.6
Head Sar - 0.47 which is awesome
Body Sar - 1.59 but this is very high
I don't like Huawei brand but i was surprised to check huawei mate 20 pro has sar well below the limit.
Head 0.40, body 0.96. even the p30 pro has head 0.64, body 0.99
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It seems they really faithful to R&D. See the iphone really bad in SAR and they cost way more.
[email protected] said:
I don't like Huawei brand but i was surprised to check huawei mate 20 pro has sar well below the limit.
Head 0.40, body 0.96. even the p30 pro has head 0.64, body 0.99
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good to know. thanks
but no one yet has answered my other question ... do this radiation takes place while the phone is ON, or just when the WiFi is activated?
sorry, I'm just a beginner in this :fingers-crossed:
Well, i am a beginner too ? but the thing is as we use our phones these days a lot and the phones with more sar value will apparently be more harmful for our body as compared to lower ones.
I loved the new one ui in s10 series plus the good lock app but sar value of that phone can't be ignored but people do these days.
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gen5000 said:
good to know. thanks
but no one yet has answered my other question ... do this radiation takes place while the phone is ON, or just when the WiFi is activated?
sorry, I'm just a beginner in this :fingers-crossed:
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As answer to your question i am not too sure but it's looks like there is very less radiation goes on after diactivating the wifi.
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It seems they really faithful to R&D. See the iphone really bad in SAR and they cost way more.
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Yeah man but Samsung is becoming just greedy now like apple. They ship their phones globally other than north America with inferior Exynos chips. Exynos chips not only affects performance in comparison to Snapdragon but also camera, sound quality is inferior too,
plus this sar value i was just surprised because people say Samsung phones has least radiation level but it was just a thing of past. Body sar value of Samsung phones these days are a lot higher.
I wouldn't buy any good phone with high sar. I don't care what people say oh no this is bull****. Radiation is nothing but in my opinion it definitely affects in long run. Looking forward to newer galaxies next year and newer mate 30 series.
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Yeah man but Samsung is becoming just greedy now like apple. They ship their phones globally other than north America with inferior Exynos chips. Exynos chips not only affects performance in comparison to Snapdragon but also camera, sound quality is inferior too,
plus this sar value i was just surprised because people say Samsung phones has least radiation level but it was just a thing of past. Body sar value of Samsung phones these days are a lot higher.
I wouldn't buy any good phone with high sar. I don't care what people say oh no this is bull****. Radiation is nothing but in my opinion it definitely affects in long run. Looking forward to newer galaxies next year and newer mate 30 series.
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No body really understand the real mechanism of how phone radiation affect us until recently > check this video
https://youtu.be/2CSKY0JAVac
w1000i said:
No body really understand the real mechanism of how phone radiation affect us until recently > check this video
https://youtu.be/2CSKY0JAVac
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Thanks mate, this is very informative. Cheers
I will always buy phones with less sar value instead of good and bad software and blah blah blah.......
looks like the Mate 20 Pro is the best at the moment regarding the SAR level/value.
perhaps, it's better to switch off your WiFi and the phone itself for the night !?
gen5000 said:
looks like the Mate 20 Pro is the best at the moment regarding the SAR level/value.
perhaps, it's better to switch off your WiFi and the phone itself for the night !?
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Yeah mate, i think exactly same while my wife has already mate 20 pro and i am looking forward to mate 30 pro in October. If that phone will not come on my expectations then i will buy mate 20 pro regardless of older processor or other stuff. I don't care phones these days are already so powerful.
By the way instead of switching the phone off you can use airplane mode it works same as switching off
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Yeah mate, i think exactly same while my wife has already mate 20 pro and i am looking forward to mate 30 pro in October. If that phone will not come on my expectations then i will buy mate 20 pro regardless of older processor or other stuff. I don't care phones these days are already so powerful.
By the way instead of switching the phone off you can use airplane mode it works same as switching off
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Hopefully you'll come back to this thread in October and let us know how is the level indeed with Mate 30 Pro, alright?
gen5000 said:
Hopefully you'll come back to this thread in October and let us know how is the level indeed with Mate 30 Pro, alright?
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Sure mate, i will
Who's already thinking about upgrading their phone, according to the current informations we have about the future Note? And which phone do you want to replace it with?
I'll start: I'm a big fan of the Note series since the first one (I don't use the Spen that much, but I find the overall design and specs to be quite nice, I prefer it over the S series). I usually skip one iteration because I find on one year they add features, and the next year they fix some of the previous year's mistakes. I even had the Note7... not for long So now, even it it still rocks, I'm thinking about replacing my Note9 with a Note20, for the cameras, the display, and all that stuff. Yes I'm totally into the consumer's profile, paying the full bill for a "minor" upgrade, but I enjoy it
What about you guys?
I'm hyped!
Note 10+ here, but I got the upgrade plan or whatever through Samsung with every intention of getting this year's model.
My biggest excitement? 120Hz screen and the new colors. Improved camera as well. I'm hopeful the battery life will remain similar despite the increase in refresh rate.
I'm actually trying to find out reasons to NOT get the Note 20 Ultra and I'm not finding many so far which is a good thing.
that camera bump is MASSIVE.
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that camera bump is MASSIVE.
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Big bump, but the array looks way better than the S20 Ultra.
Oh Im getting it for sure, the new copper color.
Will be keeping my note 10 plus though and still even use my copper note 9 once in awhile lol.
On an S8 and have been putting off a new phone because every time I get hyped I read about what the NEXT one is going to have, most recently skipped the S20 because the 120hz doesn't work on the highest resolution, but I think the Note 20 Ultra will finally be what I drop money on. As long as I don't hear rumors of the S21 folding my laundry...
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I really want to get this phone. But I gotta say I'm a little disappointed with the news being reported today that Samsung is sticking with the Exynos 990 (note the rumored Exynos 992) again for international models, while the US, Japan, China, etc get the Snapdragon 865+. There was already about a 20% difference in power between the Exynos 990 and the regular Snapdragon 865 with the S20 models, now that gap will likely be larger.
Don't get me wrong, I think I will still get the Note 20 Ultra as I'm a huge fan of the Note series and I don't think I can wait another year to upgrade from my Note 8. I just wish I wasn't going to get an inferior processor for the same high price as others are paying for the Snapdragon variant.
I'd be interested to hear what others here think about this.
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I really want to get this phone. But I gotta say I'm a little disappointed with the news being reported today that Samsung is sticking with the Exynos 990 (note the rumored Exynos 992) again for international models, while the US, Japan, China, etc get the Snapdragon 865+. There was already about a 20% difference in power between the Exynos 990 and the regular Snapdragon 865 with the S20 models, now that gap will likely be larger.
Don't get me wrong, I think I will still get the Note 20 Ultra as I'm a huge fan of the Note series and I don't think I can wait another year to upgrade from my Note 8. I just wish I wasn't going to get an inferior processor for the same high price as others are paying for the Snapdragon variant.
I'd be interested to hear what others here think about this.
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The rumor also suggests a thin possibility of a "SD865+ in all markets".
If 990 continues, it will definitely be NOT my Note lol.
force70 said:
Oh Im getting it for sure, the new copper color.
Will be keeping my note 10 plus though and still even use my copper note 9 once in awhile lol.
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I love the copper and also the alleged green color (the rendering). Seems like a lot of options for colors in the rumors... It'll be interesting.
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ekerbuddyeker said:
that camera bump is MASSIVE.
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Likely to keep happening as people push for better cameras.
I use a case, so it won't bother me much at all.
I also hope there will be some sort of pre-purchase offer, for example a refund if you send your old device back maybe, like they did for the Note9.
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I also hope there will be some sort of pre-purchase offer, for example a refund if you send your old device back maybe, like they did for the Note9.
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I hope so too! Have been away from Samsung for a while, I think this will be my first entry back into the ecosystem.
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I'm actually trying to find out reasons to NOT get the Note 20 Ultra and I'm not finding many so far which is a good thing.
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the ONLY reason whoould be that Samsung will again charge us the same money for Exynos chipset eventhough South Korea, China, US and Canada will get Snapdragon 865+ which would be with 30% more powerful and more power efficient.
This means approx. 3hrs SoT more for the Snapdragon 865+ ..
And Samsung it makes it even more difficult if we will buy Snapdragon 865+ note 20 Ultra from US or somewhere else, because in EU they are not supporting warranty for the Snapdragon devices..and they neither do service where customer pays money because they don;t have the spare parts..which is awful..
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the ONLY reason whoould be that Samsung will again charge us the same money for Exynos chipset eventhough South Korea, China, US and Canada will get Snapdragon 865+ which would be with 30% more powerful and more power efficient.
This means approx. 3hrs SoT more for the Snapdragon 865+ ..
And Samsung it makes it even more difficult if we will buy Snapdragon 865+ note 20 Ultra from US or somewhere else, because in EU they are not supporting warranty for the Snapdragon devices..and they neither do service where customer pays money because they don;t have the spare parts..which is awful..
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I feel the same. But I'm also quite conflicted on this for another reason.
Snapdragon phones are locked down, usually they can’t be rooted, and users can’t flash custom recoveries/ROMs.
There are of course exceptions to this but the Exynos variants are definitely better for development purposes.
Now for the first 2 years that probably won't bother me as the stock software would be fine. But once Samsung no longer provides OS updates it's really nice to be able to run custom ROMs.
If only we could get an Exynos device with comparable performance to Snapdragon.
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I feel the same. But I'm also quite conflicted on this for another reason.
Snapdragon phones are locked down, usually they can’t be rooted, and users can’t flash custom recoveries/ROMs.
There are of course exceptions to this but the Exynos variants are definitely better for development purposes.
Now for the first 2 years that probably won't bother me as the stock software would be fine. But once Samsung no longer provides OS updates it's really nice to be able to run custom ROMs.
If only we could get an Exynos device with comparable performance to Snapdragon.
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Exynos 992 on 6nm or 5nm with arm x78 architecture is the best soution as of now for Note 20 Utra
If Samsung does a really strong trade in offer (I have a Note 9) to get the price reasonable, and ideally a throw in offer like the new ear buds, I'm in. Multiple Note owner (had the Note 4, 7 and 9) and really looking forward to a camera with a real zoom and better battery life. Looks like a winner!
Note 20 Ultra Colors
Does anyone have a link or list of what the Note 20 Ultra colors will actually be? Thanks in advance.
Intljock said:
Does anyone have a link or list of what the Note 20 Ultra colors will actually be? Thanks in advance.
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I read somewhere the 3 colors for the Ultra will be that new copper color, then black and white.
One with Exynos 990 & the other one with SD865+, Samsung will STILL find them to be equally performing..
And a lot will believe it too.
I went from a Note 10+ to a Oppo Find X2 Pro instead of waiting for the Note 20 series, simply for the fact that every leak was pointing to European users being stuck with a Exynos 990 & I don't regret my decision at all, Samsung themselves are so blind they that continue to argue that the Exynos 990 is on the same level as the Snapdragon 865/+, it's ridiculous and from a consumer point of view, unacceptable, we're paying the same premium price but for a worse equipped device.
Many argue that it's only noticeable in benchmarks or on paper etc. But it isn't, it affects camera performance, camera quality, gaming performance, thermal performance, app fluidity, all the important parts of a smartphone experience, Snapdragon is far far ahead.
Sorry for the rant but it's just frustrating, hopefully one day Samsung will listen, in the meantime I'll enjoy my Snapdragon equipped Oppo :good: