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To go 2+ days without freezing and/or randomly rebooting?
Lol huh? I don't have this problem ever...
So far:
Deck ROM: yes, could go weeks without rebooting.
CleanROM: yes, only had it about 2 days but no problems
Synergy: no, tried every kernel and it wouldnt go more than about 12 hours without a hard crash.
About all I've tried at length
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Nope. And it always screws up when I need it the most.
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My personal ROM has actually never needed a reboot or crashed.
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Every ROM I've ran except some of myn's nightlies were completely stable.
Synergy - very stable
Cyanogenmod - seems to be the stablest
InfectedROM - Kind of stable
Myn's 2.3 - Not really stable, but these are experimental nightly builds we have
If it reboots randomly and freezes a lot, there is most likely too many apps running or similar stuff that is causing that. I use my phone heavily and have never experienced reboots/freezes/shutoffs.
Steelh never had an issue works for days before reboot just to clean up
Gotcha, nice replies guys.
I refuse to run ROMs with several broken things, aside from AOSP, which is understandable.
Cm7 on airplane mode. No service so im good with wifi. 3D movies. ONLY reboot I ever had was adding 2000 songs to my sdcard. Phone couldnt handle it for 10 minutes. Then it scanned properly and good to go again.
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Basically, the reason I'm asking is because virtually every single frequently updated Sense ROM in the development section is full of issues people are having. I'm trying to understand why they are so popular if they are riddled with issues every other update. Do people not enjoy stable phones? I've been running the same ROM since July and to this day there isn't a single 'new' feature that has been implemented in ROMs these days that I don't want. If there happens to be one, it doesn't need a full flash.
My question is: Why are so many people using Sense ROMs that have nothing but issues and stuff that doesn't work properly? Since HTC has already provided a fairly solid foundation with the Stock ROM, how are so many Sense ROMs broken?
If the answer is aesthetics and looks, why not take a stable ROM, and work from there to get the look you want?
I'm also trying to understand the mind of a "Flashaholic" and besides AOSP or MIUI, there doesn't seem to be enough differences between these Sense ROMs other than kernels and random fiddling with the framework that really differentiate them. For a person that understands how ROMs work and can easily determine the core differences between them, I can tell you exactly what differences that ROM A has from ROM B, and yet, the user opinion is much wider.
Take for instance ROM A, which has a cute tagline in its title and is made by a 'veteran' so to speak. The changelog and file-by-file difference between that and ROM B, made by a seemingly unknown person are pretty small, but the audience seems to think ROM A is much more 'stable' and 'fast' than ROM B.
Aside from messing with the framework, I have done side-by-side comparisons of where most of the ROMs features claim to shine--its tweaks to memory, ram usage, cpu, kernel, etc; which reside mostly in the /system/etc folder and under build.prop and the differences are so small and most of the tweaks are identical. With that said, framework 'tweaks' make a minimal difference in every day situations and most phones will perform almost identical to the Stock ROM. The real differences lie in random build.prop tweaks and init.d scripts which mostly come from poorly documented sites and sources that were meant for Desktop computers and/or older phones like the G1 and can actually have a negative effect on our current phone's performance. I'm sure HTC has done enough research that their method of ROM delivery is probably optimal for most people.
At any rate, I'm interested in more discussion from the people in this thread.
Id like to try your dualcore mod with 1st core at 700mhz and 2nd core at 500mhz. Can you make the file for me? But is it possible to get a screen off profile with it?
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I have flashed before due to aesthetics but now I'm on a hunt for a smoother (stutter free) rom. I also like having extra settings that some offer like synergys, and Eternity, and having beats is a plus although not necessary. The closest I've gotten is Eternity 1.3.1 w/stock look along with Tiamat sense 1.0.3 kernel and flashable script by Smokin. Smokins script made a difference in smoothness for me specially in the app drawer. The only issue that plagues my phone is intermittent black screen during calls.
Other reason I flash is sometimes I get tired of things and want something new to play with. Makes me feel I have a new device.
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Id like to try your dualcore mod with 1st core at 700mhz and 2nd core at 500mhz. Can you make the file for me? But is it possible to get a screen off profile with it?
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I can pretty much build a script that can accomplish this
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I have flashed before due to aesthetics but now I'm on a hunt for a smoother (stutter free) rom. I also like having extra settings that some offer like synergys, and Eternity, and having beats is a plus although not necessary. The closest I've gotten is Eternity 1.3.1 w/stock look along with Tiamat sense 1.0.3 kernel and flashable script by Smokin. Smokins script made a difference in smoothness for me specially in the app drawer. The only issue that plagues my phone is intermittent black screen during calls.
Other reason I flash is sometimes I get tired of things and want something new to play with. Makes me feel I have a new device.
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That I can understand, but with the differences between Sense ROMs being so small, why? I suppose looks is a good enough reason as any, especially if you don't know how or feel like trying to extract the apks or images needed to make your current ROM look like the ROM you're installing.
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I can pretty much build a script that can accomplish this
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Thanks. Im on cm7. Do I send you this build.prop or init.d or something? Also I use setcpu, im guessing I wont be able to use it anymore? Screen off profile would be 192-384mhz
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Senseless I get way better 4g coverage than any other ROM I've tried. With others my 4g would go on and off every 3-4 minutes. It really bugged me out.
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I flash roms to have wireless tether mainly. Recently i like using sprint hotspot and it ia easier to flash a modified stock rom instead of tracking down the flashable hack. Other than staying up to date with software without breaking root, i dont see a reason not to be stock rooted. I buy htc for sense so aosp roms just arent for me. Im running infected eternity 1.4.1 and love the themed look just because it seperatea me from the rest if the world, if i wanted to fit a mold i would be rocking that girly iphone.
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Freeza,
What ROM are you using?
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Synergy - very stable
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First time I've heard anyone claim synergy is stable. Even the synergy devs have given up trying to get non stock kernels to run reliably with it and have recommended limping along by flashing the stock kernel over the included one until the ROM can be fixed.
As to why so many problems: I think half of it is kernel compatibility and half is in the baking. Some bake in the latest version of this or that apk that hasn't been thoroughly tested. Market 3.2 is a good example. Doesn't work: can't buy paid apps. Same problems occur with other apps like all the borked superuser updates between 3.0.2 and 3.0.6. So with all the pushing to include the latest versions of every low level app baked into the ROM, of course there will be some mismatches.
Not a fan of AOSP ROMs. Most of those don't have 20% of the stuff working like 4g, 3d camera, and other stuff. Most say right at the top, "dont expect this to work... Or that to work". No thanks.
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Could dual cores always being on cause damage to the phone?
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First, an explanation of my situation:
I bought a Galaxy Note at the beginning of the summer. All-in-all, I was pretty happy with it. It was a much improved experience over my Atrix, which was in poor condition by the time I switched over.
I wasn't able to root at first as I only had access to a Mac, and there were innumerable issues in doing so - Odin was PC only, WINE ports of it failed to recognize the phone, the Mac equivalent of Odin (I am spacing on its name right now) didn't work with the Note, etc.
When ICS was officially released, I tried to update to it via Kies. Kies on Mac is a ****storm. It's incredibly buggy, toolbars and menus don't display correctly, it has trouble recognizing the device, etc. I was unable to get it to make a backup, but I eventually managed to load the ROM onto it...
... and that's when the real problems started.
My battery life has turned to crap. Everything runs incredibly slow. Everything's super buggy. Apps force-close all the time. My MicroSD card ended up getting corrupted - half of my music disappeared, of what was left only 1/3rd actually worked. I just reformatted my MicroSD, backing everything important up, etc.
I've been dealing with this for around a month now, as whenever I come to the forum I have no idea where to even start to fix this. I'm up for wiping everything and starting over, and I do have access to a Windows XP machine now so that may be easier... but I don't even know where to go from there.
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That's why I'm here - I need advice. I need advice as to how to clean up the current mess my phone has turned into and start over. I need advice as to what ROM to try and how to go about loading it. I need advice as to whether to root and how to do so. I need advice as to whether to install a CWM, which one to use and how to go about doing so.
Here is what I am looking for, ordered from most important to least:
Battery life is important to me. I loved how long the battery lasted before my attempted upgrade to ICS... now it lasts maybe 1/3 of the time.
I want something that will work - I want stability. No more constant force-quits of every freaking app.
A smooth, fast UI would be preferable.
Feature packed. I like the thought of cutting edge features of newer (or custom) versions of Android being incorporated - but this is far less important to me than battery life and stability.
My preferred method of installation would be using my Mac - but as I said, Windows XP is a very easy option for me as well. I could also install a newer version of Windows if need be, but would prefer not to go through that...
Thanks in advance for any help, advice and recommendations! ^_^
Get Odin and root your phone...
Download and flash TWRP... http://teamw.in/project/twrp
download a ROM of your choice
boot into the recovery ..wipe--->>cache/dalvik cache/ wipe ROM/factory reset..>then go to the install and flash your ROM...
These are very rudimentary instructions I hope they helped a bit...good luck
Do you have an idea for what ROM you like or want? Couple of great ROMs..for stockish check out flappjaxxx's for jellybean check out manelscout4life..stable and fast
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Techno is onto the correct answer, unless of course you are truly wanting the stock version back.
Kies and OTA updates are often flawed, and give the end user exactly the type of problems you are stating.
However, if you want a return to stock, the information can be found in the "note super everything thread" located as a sticky at the top of the general note section.
But I do agree with techno, that a root and flash of a quality custom rom is the way to go......g
Thanks a lot, both of you!
As to what ROM I want, honestly that's one of the reasons I have been procrastinating so much -- I have no idea whatsoever. There's such an overwhelming number of options out there, of basic flavors (ICS, JB, GB, CM7, etc.) and tens of derivatives of each one made by different people. I have no idea where to even start making such a decision.
I can tell you this much. On my Atrix, I started with the stock Motoblur-Froyo, flashed GingerBlur, disliked it's bugginess but dealt with it for almost a year, then flashed the CM7-based Neutrino. I wasn't very happy with how skimpy the ROM was but stuck with it until I got my Note. I was pretty satiated with the stock ROM, but decided to upgrade to ICS due to the promise of a better UI, increased functionality and especially a faster camera. While my experience with ICS was terrible, I could see myself enjoying a functional, non-buggy version...
Basically, I have no idea what ROM or even what base OS version I am looking for. That said, I do know the criteria that matter to me, as stated prior:
Battery Life
Stability
Smooth UI
Cutting-Edge Feature Packed
I can't really think of any features I am specifically looking for, other than under-the-radar tethering and top-notch camera speed & functionality .
As I have no attachment to any specific OS version, suppose that would mean that if battery life, stability and smoothness issues are equal amongst ROM variants, I would be looking for a Jellybean ROM - as it would be most packed with new features... right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1664980
That is the best stockish ICS experience you can get and keeps all the functionality of your phone including the spen. He also offers a jellybean ROM but honestly to find the best JB rom for you just read through the threads read and REREAD THE OP of those ROMs..jellybean is fun and cool but not 101% stable yet..people still getting random reboots and some are losing there APN settings..so maybe just flashing ics and playing with those ROMs is best for you for now..FYI the above rom is smooth as silk and great battery life
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Again , I agree with Techno, and the rom he posted is the one I'm using to type this.
Flappjaxxx is a fine developer, and he has packed this UCLF6 build with full functionality , and much more.
He is , and will continue to be my top pick for quality builds and performance ...g
This is all really wonderful advice - thanks again!
I guess I have a few last questions:
What is the best way to root at this point? If I recall, there are multiple ways to root via Odin... is there a specific one you would recommend for my current situation (read: current buggy ICS firmware)? A link would be very much appreciated, as the roadmap thread is a bit... overwhelming with all of the options.
Are there any MODs you recommend I install after I have my new flappjaxxx ROM in place? Will tethering work off the bat? Will all of the Gapps (Gmail, Navigation, etc.) be there for me to use? Will I need to install anything else, or is there any recommendations that you have?
Thanks again a ton - you've both been enormously helpful!
Also, I just noticed that the recovery you linked me to (http://teamw.in/project/twrp) has no option for the Galaxy Note...
EDIT: It turns out you linked me to the wrong page - to TWPR 1. Here's the link to TWRP 2.2, for anyone else who comes across this thread: http://teamw.in/project/twrp2
Just my 2 cents. After you get straightened out, you may want to take a look here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29376779
Another stable rom with great battery life, and a super Dev a well. I have been running it since testing and find it to be the perfect rom and team for me.
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Okay ....
Please verify your carrier ....model ...and current software version ....then we can point you to the correct bits and pieces of the super thread.
I just want to make sure we are all on the same page ....g
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I'm away for a few hours ...
But I'm sure a few other helpful folks will chime in with the links ...g
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Thanks a lot, both of you!
As to what ROM I want, honestly that's one of the reasons I have been procrastinating so much -- I have no idea whatsoever. There's such an overwhelming number of options out there, of basic flavors (ICS, JB, GB, CM7, etc.) and tens of derivatives of each one made by different people. I have no idea where to even start making such a decision.
I can tell you this much. On my Atrix, I started with the stock Motoblur-Froyo, flashed GingerBlur, disliked it's bugginess but dealt with it for almost a year, then flashed the CM7-based Neutrino. I wasn't very happy with how skimpy the ROM was but stuck with it until I got my Note. I was pretty satiated with the stock ROM, but decided to upgrade to ICS due to the promise of a better UI, increased functionality and especially a faster camera. While my experience with ICS was terrible, I could see myself enjoying a functional, non-buggy version...
Basically, I have no idea what ROM or even what base OS version I am looking for. That said, I do know the criteria that matter to me, as stated prior:
Battery Life
Stability
Smooth UI
Cutting-Edge Feature Packed
I can't really think of any features I am specifically looking for, other than under-the-radar tethering and top-notch camera speed & functionality .
As I have no attachment to any specific OS version, suppose that would mean that if battery life, stability and smoothness issues are equal amongst ROM variants, I would be looking for a Jellybean ROM - as it would be most packed with new features... right?
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Im using black star v flawless in my eyes..
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Have been an Android user since November 2009 when I got my OG Droid, was rooted and ROMed in January after the 2.0.1 update came out and dev's cracked it. I really want a Note 2 but want to be sure we will see ROMs, Kernels and recoveries. From reading the Dev section it seems SBOOT is locked and we can't even get kexec at this point. It sounds like the VZW version may just be locked down too tight to get anything other than just Root. So, given all this, what do you guys think is the liklihood of use seeing custom ROMs, kernels and recoveries on the VZW Note 2?
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Have been an Android user since November 2009 when I got my OG Droid, was rooted and ROMed in January after the 2.0.1 update came out and dev's cracked it. I really want a Note 2 but want to be sure we will see ROMs, Kernels and recoveries. From reading the Dev section it seems SBOOT is locked and we can't even get kexec at this point. It sounds like the VZW version may just be locked down too tight to get anything other than just Root. So, given all this, what do you guys think is the liklihood of use seeing custom ROMs, kernels and recoveries on the VZW Note 2?
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Custom ROMs is fairly easy. The way the phone was rooted is how one would also do a custom ROM at this point. If we are to get more than that, we're going to need to find a way to unlock the bootloader, which so far, has been futile, but it was also people that have never really done it before trying. Hopefully, an unlock method is found, and we can then go with custom recoveries and kernels, along with easier to flash custom ROMs.
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Custom ROMs is fairly easy. The way the phone was rooted is how one would also do a custom ROM at this point. If we are to get more than that, we're going to need to find a way to unlock the bootloader, which so far, has been futile, but it was also people that have never really done it before trying. Hopefully, an unlock method is found, and we can then go with custom recoveries and kernels, along with easier to flash custom ROMs.
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So they would have to be just custom versions of the stock ROM correct, since you would have to continue using the stock kernel. Is AOSP basically impossible without unlocking the boot loader and getting custom kernels? I don't want to have to rely on VZW and Samsung for updates, at their pace 4.3 will be out and this will still be on it's current 4.1.1.
just gotta wait for a leak from someone important....hopefully it doesn't take as long as it did for the s3!
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So they would have to be just custom versions of the stock ROM correct, since you would have to continue using the stock kernel. Is AOSP basically impossible without unlocking the boot loader and getting custom kernels? I don't want to have to rely on VZW and Samsung for updates, at their pace 4.3 will be out and this will still be on it's current 4.1.1.
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You could do something that looks like AOSP, but no, I don't think you could get true AOSP until we get custom kernels.
I've been in Android for a few years now, and I've always defaulted towards AOSP since I hate the heavy overlays that these OEM's place on our devices, but this is the FIRST time in a long time that I will be saying this: why would you even want custom ROM's for this device?
I mean that, honestly. It's perfect. Sure it's nice to get root and modify certain things, but for the most part I don't see any 3rd party ROM trumping stock for this phone. Just the S Pen alone is reason enough to never want to leave stock.
I wasn't really lurking the Note 1 ROM scenes so I don't know how well developers were able to port S Pen functionality over to ROM's like CM10 etc, but I don't imagine they'd ever be able to fully integrate it to the level it is on stock.
And given the immense battery life, top notch performance on stock, I don't see a need to "trim the proverbial fat" of the actual firmware anyway. It's just, perfect.
You can have custom ROMs without getting rid of spen features. I agree with you that I wouldn't want an AOSP ROM but shaving a little weight off this thing wouldn't hurt
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Honestly, I'm just waiting for a rom that's debloated, deodexed, has unlimited multiview, wifi toggle, adjustable homescreen, etc. etc. Nothing major, unless some one comes up with some neat ideas on how to integrate the S Pen into the ROM for a better user experience. We've got a good dev community, so I remain optimistic that something cool will come our way.
i agree...i see no need for aosp on this device at this time. just need root and hopefully cwm recovery. samsung has touchwiz dialed in pretty well. however aosp will have its place when this device quits getting updates.
I'd just like it open and custom kernels I don't mind touchwiz on this type of device
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Honestly the S Pen is NOT at all what is drawing me to this phone, really couldn't care less about it to be honest. What IS drawing me to this phone is the bigger screen from my G-Nex, the faster processor, the bigger battery and the improved screen. Also the improved radios and data conenction from the notoriously bad G-Nex radios is a huge draw, but none of this is about the S Pen. I know I may be in the minority with my opinion here, but that's at least what I want, and to be honest, when is having more ROMs for a device worse than having less That's why I want AOSP ROMs and custom kernels etc.
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Honestly the S Pen is NOT at all what is drawing me to this phone, really couldn't care less about it to be honest. What IS drawing me to this phone is the bigger screen from my G-Nex, the faster processor, the bigger battery and the improved screen. Also the improved radios and data conenction from the notoriously bad G-Nex radios is a huge draw, but none of this is about the S Pen. I know I may be in the minority with my opinion here, but that's at least what I want, and to be honest, when is having more ROMs for a device worse than having less That's why I want AOSP ROMs and custom kernels etc.
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+1
But I will admit that I am PLEASANTLY suprised at how nice TW is. With an AOSP JellyBean launcher and lock screen I am really enjoying this thing. I am not sure what could really improve this bad boy other than some cleaned up stock ROM and OC kernel.
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I'd just like it open and custom kernels I don't mind touchwiz on this type of device
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What I'd a custom kernel going to give you over stock performance? A few added features maybe, but it didn't seem like this phone needs undervolting or overclocking.
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Honestly the S Pen is NOT at all what is drawing me to this phone, really couldn't care less about it to be honest. What IS drawing me to this phone is the bigger screen from my G-Nex, the faster processor, the bigger battery and the improved screen. Also the improved radios and data conenction from the notoriously bad G-Nex radios is a huge draw, but none of this is about the S Pen. I know I may be in the minority with my opinion here, but that's at least what I want, and to be honest, when is having more ROMs for a device worse than having less That's why I want AOSP ROMs and custom kernels etc.
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Aosp roms are the hardest to get on cdma devices, plus isn't this chip a new one as well? Many hurdles to jump over before that happens.
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If we could have per app DPI on TW, that would be really cool. I'm confident we'll get this thing unlocked soon enough tho.
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im with the others...im very impressed at this UI of this phone. i would like a recovery and perhaps and overclock but the overclock isnt even needed IMO. other than that (thought id never say this) the stock rom nailed it. its apparent the people at samsung not only know what they are doing but listen to the consumer. i dont know how many of you are boaters but phones are like boats. you will never find the perfect one. however judging from the reviews so far this is about as close as it comes...from my point of view anyway..
and to think i was hesitant about getting it. i stood in the store for 30 minutes contemplating it. the rep was about to give up when i said "okay im pulling the trigger". first time i have ever bought a phone and not been 100% sure when i walked through the door.
I guess I have also been spoiled by the phones I have had, the OG Droid and the Galaxy Nexus, honestly I don't think any one phone has had a bigger and more vibrant community than the OG Droid, not even the Galaxy Nexus. I would like to be able to stay on the cutting edge of Android though, knowing that if a new version is released I should have it within 24-48 hours if not less. I am using 4.2.1 on my Nexus and quite like it, seems even smoother than 4.1.2 and also like the few new features, mainly the quick settings panel and PhotoSphere. I know the Galaxy series was one of the originators of the quick setting panel but I like Google's implementation quite a bit. Would just be weird to give up using CM after doing so for almost 3 years now. All decisions to consider. May pick up the phone at Best Buy and see if I like it an return it if I still prefer the Nexus.
There is a thread about them trying to get CM10 on the Note 2, but the VZW version might be the hardest.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2019535
Would it be useful to start a bounty for a bootloader unlock and custom recovery or for CM and AOSP on it? If so I would donate, just wondering what you all think.
I have said in a lot of devices forums in the past that the amount people will be able to do is proportional to the amount of effort and the support the communities give. In this case you guys have already bought adamOutler a phone, and he has torn it down, we have started to analyze the bare bones, and I'm sure hes looking for an unbreakable mod. With this being said lets address a couple of the questions at hand:
First off it does not look like their will be an easy fix to the fact that the bootloader is locked. The way that it looks in the white paper are their are efuses that are used as both a hardware key and possibly a configuration bit. Once this is set it cannot be unset. All hope is not lost though. With adam's UART he has found a couple loading points that might be inject a new bootloader and kernels and such there. However this is a shot in the dark, as it utilizes the fact that there is some security code loopholes in the boot chain to allow for injections.
Secondly there is always the possibility of custom roms. Using subsystems such as 2ndboot and such you can always make it so that you load a new system image onto the existing one, though this means longer boot up times. Also there is another cool thing out there called kexec (this may or may not be enabled in the default kernel). If enabled in the kernel, the kernel can shut down proc1 and then re initiate with a new kernel ontop of it. If properly coded all phones with the root ability have the ability to do this if they can issue a kexec. Kexec has been ported over to many phones, and some of which dont have kexec enabled in the existing kernel. This makes it so EVERY DEVICES THAT HAS ROOT HAS THE POSSIBILITY TO HAVE CUSTOM ROMS. However with kexec not being enabled on ever phone, it makes it hard to program ever phone to have the right kernel injection points.
The last thing is that to the best of my knowledge the bootloader code is not public, which makes it very hard to find vulnerabilities, however it does not mean that they never get found. Time. Time is all we ask for, as this is not our only job and it takes alot of hard work from devs free time to work and develop. With all that being said im sure in time someone some where will find a link.
Wondering if there is any way I can help. I am not new to Android, however I have never gone past using already fully known and documented things, standard rooting etc. I am interested in getting to know things better so if I can be of any help let me know.
Man I think this will be the last time I buy a Samsung phone from Verizon. The way they force samsung to lock down the bootloader is crazy.
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I haven't flashed in well over a year, and I'm still running one of the first stable ICS builds. That has to change.
Can anyone recommend a good JB-based ROM for me? My priorities are stability, battery life and features, in roughly that order.
I'm thinking of trying BeanStalk 4.3.05 or ParanoidKANGDroid 2.3.3, but am definitely open to other suggestions
Thanks!
phnord said:
I haven't flashed in well over a year, and I'm still running one of the first stable ICS builds. That has to change.
Can anyone recommend a good JB-based ROM for me? My priorities are stability, battery life and features, in roughly that order.
I'm thinking of trying BeanStalk 4.3.05 or ParanoidKANGDroid 2.3.3, but am definitely open to other suggestions
Thanks!
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I recommend PACMan Rom 4.2.2. Highly stable, very few problems for my Note
phnord said:
I haven't flashed in well over a year, and I'm still running one of the first stable ICS builds. That has to change.
Can anyone recommend a good JB-based ROM for me? My priorities are stability, battery life and features, in roughly that order.
I'm thinking of trying BeanStalk 4.3.05 or ParanoidKANGDroid 2.3.3, but am definitely open to other suggestions
Thanks!
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so many people ask this same question and anyone with real experience here is going to tell you..................
every ROM is going to act differently on every phone. it also depends on what kind of user you are.
common rule here (im not being a jerk,you should know this) is read, read, read.
to show you how often someone asks this very question, go back out one screen and down about 5 threads "looking for an excellent ROM"
I have posted my honest opinions and what you can expect from all available firmwares.
good luck my friend
captemo said:
every ROM is going to act differently on every phone. it also depends on what kind of user you are.
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This is why I am trying to describe what kind of user I am. To reiterate, my priorities are stability, battery life, functionality and speed, roughly in that order.
To elaborate, I want:
Something that will run smoothly
Something who's battery will last for a day if I use it with moderation
Something that, while not necessarily on the bleeding edge of development, has lots of new features
Something with a smooth UI and good, modern capabilities
In terms of specific features that I'd like to try or find necessary, I want a ROM that supports the Jelly Bean panoramic picture mode; one that supports Wifi Hotspots; one with a good toggle menu for preserving battery and turning on / off common features, flash, etc.; and one that has a variety of other useful things to explore / try out. Maybe something with good audio capabilities?
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This is why I am trying to describe what kind of user I am. To reiterate, my priorities are stability, battery life, functionality and speed, roughly in that order.
To elaborate, I want:
Something that will run smoothly
Something who's battery will last for a day if I use it with moderation
Something that, while not necessarily on the bleeding edge of development, has lots of new features
Something with a smooth UI and good, modern capabilities
In terms of specific features that I'd like to try or find necessary, I want a ROM that supports the Jelly Bean panoramic picture mode; one that supports Wifi Hotspots; one with a good toggle menu for preserving battery and turning on / off common features, flash, etc.; and one that has a variety of other useful things to explore / try out. Maybe something with good audio capabilities?
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again, if you haven't, read the other post.
from the sounds of it, you may want to go with 4.1.2. it is based off of Touchwiz. SUPER solid and great support from the community. not many updates. it is so solid, it does not need them. but others are still there for support.
personal choice.......PADAWAN........others have had some issues with lag (biggest complaint) and I refer them ( an I have the most thanks on thread) to p.355-378. read through those pages. obviously others have not figured it out cause they don't read. those setting had my phone running better than it ever ran, even out of box.
the only way you will know is to try for yourself. but it is lie Trident gum.............4 out of 5 dentist surveyed.........
as always, good luck in your hunt
captemo said:
from the sounds of it, you may want to go with 4.1.2. it is based off of Touchwiz. SUPER solid and great support from the community. not many updates. it is so solid, it does not need them. but others are still there for support.
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I want to make sure that I understand this correctly. The latest update pushed out by SAMSUNG for the i717 was 4.1.2, so therefore the roms built off of 4.1 are using SAMSUNG TouchWiz as a base. The one's built off of 4.2 are using some other base, be it AOKP, CM, etc. Is this correct?
I'm not so certain that I want to go to a 4.1 ROM. Looking over the feature-set of Google's 4.2, I'm seeing quite a bit that I want - for instance, I *really* want Photo Sphere.
I think that if there's a stable version of 4.3 that isn't a battery hog, and that has a decent extended feature-set on-top of it, then that's what I want. That said, if 4.3 is very unstable I'm up for trying 4.2. The only way I'd want 4.1 is if there is no 4.2 or above that is good with battery usage and more-or-less stable.
So, any recommendations with that in mind?
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I want to make sure that I understand this correctly. The latest update pushed out by SAMSUNG for the i717 was 4.1.2, so therefore the roms built off of 4.1 are using SAMSUNG TouchWiz as a base. The one's built off of 4.2 are using some other base, be it AOKP, CM, etc. Is this correct?
I'm not so certain that I want to go to a 4.1 ROM. Looking over the feature-set of Google's 4.2, I'm seeing quite a bit that I want - for instance, I *really* want Photo Sphere.
I think that if there's a stable version of 4.3 that isn't a battery hog, and that has a decent extended feature-set on-top of it, then that's what I want. That said, if 4.3 is very unstable I'm up for trying 4.2. The only way I'd want 4.1 is if there is no 4.2 or above that is good with battery usage and more-or-less stable.
So, any recommendations with that in mind?
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first part..................correct.
that is the good thing about 4.2, highly customizable, but you sacrifice stability. lots of updates, but I am afraid that is because there is mainly one thing that is trying t be fixed, RANDOM REBOOTS. some have success controlling them with an alternate KERNAL which provides the ability to OC/UV, but it can be a constant maintinence on your part. honestly, there is never a good time for a reboot. 4.2 is a much bigger battery hog and a reboot is only going to suck more of it.
second part.................. that's what APK's are for. if it is one simple app ( for whatever personal reason) someone is stuck on, any times you can install it that way. just download it through browser on phone and install with file manager of choice.
third part.................. not that 4.3 is more unstable or battery hog. (I have better battery on 4.3) not necessarily unstable. I just think it is still very early in the game and trying to get some kinks worked out. 4.1.2 was the same way. everybody is impatient, just the nature of the beast. give the amazing and talented developers time. I find 4.3 very smoooooooth, but I have been getting bootloops and I am thinking it is most likely my APP2ZIPP file (which has my apps) I am flashing. so I don't have to keep installing all my same apps one at a time. don't think it is working with 4.3 transition.
the rest is up to you my friend. its all about what YOU want and what you are willing to tolerate as far as constant maintinence.
oh and by the way I am NOT running PADAWAN right now...........its been to solid. I was getting bored. I am addicted to flashing maybe. I ran it for months, flawlessly. since coming off, the longest I have been on any ROM is MAYBE 3 days before changing whether it be the reboots, battery or bootloop issues.
I am not bored though, it definitely give me troubleshooting experience and enables me to help others which I am enjoying
captemo said:
first part..................correct.
that is the good thing about 4.2, highly customizable, but you sacrifice stability. lots of updates, but I am afraid that is because there is mainly one thing that is trying t be fixed, RANDOM REBOOTS. some have success controlling them with an alternate KERNAL which provides the ability to OC/UV, but it can be a constant maintinence on your part. honestly, there is never a good time for a reboot. 4.2 is a much bigger battery hog and a reboot is only going to suck more of it.
second part.................. that's what APK's are for. if it is one simple app ( for whatever personal reason) someone is stuck on, any times you can install it that way. just download it through browser on phone and install with file manager of choice.
third part.................. not that 4.3 is more unstable or battery hog. (I have better battery on 4.3) not necessarily unstable. I just think it is still very early in the game and trying to get some kinks worked out. 4.1.2 was the same way. everybody is impatient, just the nature of the beast. give the amazing and talented developers time. I find 4.3 very smoooooooth, but I have been getting bootloops and I am thinking it is most likely my APP2ZIPP file (which has my apps) I am flashing. so I don't have to keep installing all my same apps one at a time. don't think it is working with 4.3 transition.
the rest is up to you my friend. its all about what YOU want and what you are willing to tolerate as far as constant maintinence.
oh and by the way I am NOT running PADAWAN right now...........its been to solid. I was getting bored. I am addicted to flashing maybe. I ran it for months, flawlessly. since coming off, the longest I have been on any ROM is MAYBE 3 days before changing whether it be the reboots, battery or bootloop issues.
I am not bored though, it definitely give me troubleshooting experience and enables me to help others which I am enjoying
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Do all of the 4.2 ROMs suffer random reboots? I see you mention that an alternate kernel may help, but are there any ROMs that have either incorporated in said kernel or that have found another fix of some kind for stability?
Also, with 4.3: are the random reboots an issue there as well? What kinds of kinks are current issues?
phnord said:
Do all of the 4.2 ROMs suffer random reboots? I see you mention that an alternate kernel may help, but are there any ROMs that have either incorporated in said kernel or that have found another fix of some kind for stability?
Also, with 4.3: are the random reboots an issue there as well? What kinds of kinks are current issues?
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On 4.2 they have option to OC/UV with stock kernels. It can just be a constant adjustment in those values to minimalize the reboots. With 4.3 I guess you can say I had reboots, my problem was the reboot would never complete and would just bootloop.
I am just being patient and giving it some time. I know many are working on it cause there is so little action in development thread. Many impatient members have driven developers away by constant pestering. I think many have learned that lesson. That why it is so quiet.
Trust me, it is the calm before the storm
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Hmmm... what 4.3 were you using that gave you boot-loops? I'm thinking of trying PAC-Man, and I'm debating between the 4.2.2 and the 4.3 - as it seems that the latter is fairly stable from what I've surmised.
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Hmmm... what 4.3 were you using that gave you boot-loops? I'm thinking of trying PAC-Man, and I'm debating between the 4.2.2 and the 4.3 - as it seems that the latter is fairly stable from what I've surmised.
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anything 4.3 was doing it. again I am thinking it may have been my APP2ZIPP file.
here is a tip as to what I do when contemplating new ROM...............
obviously I am looking at original OP post for features to what I want. then I go to last page of thread and read backwards. this gives me the most recent problem ROM is having and hint as to whether there is a fix. if it is something I can deal with, then I go for it. if its too much hassle, then I don't.
I thought I was the only one... I I do the exact same thing capt.
2$HAYNE
Now my eyes hurt
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Bubbajoe40356 said:
Now my eyes hurt
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are you welling up or did you get something in your eye dancing in the barn?
captemo said:
are you welling up or did you get something in your eye dancing in the barn?
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All your words hurt them..your very chatty today lol.
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Bubbajoe40356 said:
All your words hurt them..your very chatty today lol.
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im sorry big guy, just trying to help
captemo said:
im sorry big guy, just trying to help
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I know ..and you are. Keep up the good work. :beer:
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Bubbajoe40356 said:
I know ..and you are. Keep up the good work.
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Indeed
Since you, captemo try a lot of ROMs, which 4.2.2 ROM, that you have tried, has lasted the longest without a reboot (how many days)?
Carbon 1.8 was the longest for me thus far, 4 days but after that it went into a reboot frenzy and would reboot 2-3 times a day. Now I'm on CM 10.1 8/23 nightly and it has lasted 2.5 days before reboot. Let's see if it will last longer than that.
Since it's become clear to me that the main issue here is finding something both modern and stable, I've started a different thread that makes that clear in the title. It can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2425090
Poriotis said:
Indeed
Since you, captemo try a lot of ROMs, which 4.2.2 ROM, that you have tried, has lasted the longest without a reboot (how many days)?
Carbon 1.8 was the longest for me thus far, 4 days but after that it went into a reboot frenzy and would reboot 2-3 times a day. Now I'm on CM 10.1 8/23 nightly and it has lasted 2.5 days before reboot. Let's see if it will last longer than that.
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again, everybody's phone is different. I am not sure why, but my phone cant run CARBON, any version. which kind of bums be out cause of all the options available. many of the 4.2's would do exactly that for me, I get a couple of days out of them, then reboots galore. Carbon, (4.2, 4.3, alternate kernels) is just a no go for me. it's like my phone has an allergy.
it was always suggested to me to try stock KERNEL and let it settle for couple days and hell if I had to flash something, might as well flash a new ROM. then I ran out of ROM's. that's when I started trying KERNELS.
most recently, I have had success with BLOWNFUZE's AOKP and compatible UBER (I think it in OP) and also ROOTBOX w/ UBER. ROOTBOX has some pretty cool features. different sounds and statusbar changing colors in different menus. pretty neat. AOKP, just a bit more stable maybe. I am not sure I had the OC/UV settings dialed in just right though. battery wasn't quite lasting me. want to go back and tweak those some more.
in the meantime, and I don't know why I haven't tried in the past, I have been running SONS of ANDROID. 6 days, stock kernel, NO REBOOTS
in between, I am trying to keep my eyes open for some breakthrough's on 4.3. of course I am also trying work out my options for getting the MEGA 6.3.
again, good luck, read, and remember all phones are just a smidge different. that's smidge can be ALL the difference
Hello,
I've rooted my XTZ and unlocked the bootloader. I've used TA-Backup to backup my DRM Keys. I'm on the 4.1.2 stock ROM still. I love the tablet interface of this ROM, so I have decided not to upgrade it yet. Based on this, I had a few questions about the custom ROMs I've seen there and what benefit I have in updating at all, or perhaps the cons.
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Are there any custom ROMs that use or have the tablet UI? They don't have to be based on stock ROMs.
Are there any ROMs that have a working IR Blaster?
Can I use any Sony apps in these custom ROMs and if so, where do I get them? I thoughtI saw them in the Apps and Themes forum.
Is there any reason I really need to go to a different ROM than 4.1.2? Speed benefits? Better battery life? Video performance?
What are the main reasons not to use a custom ROM?
Thank you for any help you can provide.
ColdSunNC said:
Hello,
I've rooted my XTZ and unlocked the bootloader. I've used TA-Backup to backup my DRM Keys. I'm on the 4.1.2 stock ROM still. I love the tablet interface of this ROM, so I have decided not to upgrade it yet. Based on this, I had a few questions about the custom ROMs I've seen there and what benefit I have in updating at all, or perhaps the cons.
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If you are happy with the ROM usability and performance I see no reason to meddle with the ROM as it is. Personally I kmow what you mean, even with all the stock Sony apps it is quite a quick runner. I never had issues of lag or slowness. Whatever OEM bloatware is added is honestly not very much bloated, at lewst no comparison to a few years ago when basically your only way to get a lag and nagfree device was switching to a custom ROM. Also many features thought up by the dev community have in some way or another been adopted by the OEMs over time.
Might also be a matter of habit and perception. You see so many threads about this or that ROM develpment, like Cyanogenmod immediately after market release. This also made me try it once and I really disliked. And went back to stock. So, the scramble for custom ROMs for many people is NOT to avoid the crappy unusable stock ROM but rather the fact that they already have grown used to say vanilla Android or CyanMod. And I can totally understand them, I have been buying HTC phones for many years because I was so happy with Sense. To each his own and if you are happy, great.
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Are there any custom ROMs that use or have the tablet UI? They don't have to be based on stock ROMs.
Are there any ROMs that have a working IR Blaster?
Can I use any Sony apps in these custom ROMs and if so, where do I get them? I thoughtI saw them in the Apps and Themes forum.
Is there any reason I really need to go to a different ROM than 4.1.2? Speed benefits? Better battery life? Video performance?
What are the main reasons not to use a custom ROM?
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4. I would take advantage of the official Sony upgrades unless there is something in 4.2.2 you totally hate. Sony has announced to upgrade at least through 4.3 and 4.4 and I will gladly check their stock updates out when they come. Speed benefits might exist, but I think on the negligible side... Maybe measurable with a benchmark but unnoticeable in normsl use. Battery life might be a tad bit better if less stuff runs in tne background, but if some Sony apps or whatnot bother you,much can be turned off under Settings/Apps and whats resilient can be disabled with TiBackup freeze mode. Ask if you need more detailed instructions. I have dumped all the Facebook / Twitter stuff and then some, and while it still is on the tsblet snd in the ROM it is just deactivated and takes no runtime resources.
Thank you, Walter_White. That information was exactly what I was looking for. I'm very satisfied with the performance and layout of 4.1.2. I don't much care for the change they made to the tablet UI in 4.2 so I'll likely wait until 4.3 is released and just upgrade then. My bootloader is unlocked though, so I guess I'll have to use the Sony PC Companion to upgrade and then lose root, unless someone figures that out beforehand.
If someone made an update for a custom ROM that had all my Sony applications and IR functionality, with the tablet UI, I would try it though. I'll also try finding the apps that could cause performance issues like you mentioned.
Again, thanks for this help.