Hello, I recently switched over to Tmo from Big Red. I have mixed feelings about the switch. Overall I'm satisfied, however the signal strength near my house sucks!!! When I have LTE, it's great!!! My major/question is how is it 2013 and have no 3G? I go from 4G/LTE to 2G in about a mile. Does Tmo not support 3G?
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The5Venomz said:
Hello, I recently switched over to Tmo from Big Red. I have mixed feelings about the switch. Overall I'm satisfied, however the signal strength near my house sucks!!! When I have LTE, it's great!!! My major/question is how is it 2013 and have no 3G? I go from 4G/LTE to 2G in about a mile. Does Tmo not support 3G?
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Use the app Open Signal from here It will show you when your using 3G because even if when you are on 3G it shows 4G icon on tmobile because the 4G is the upgraded 3G
When you run the speed test it will tell you if you are on 2G, 3G, 3G/HSDPA (which is 4G), HSPA+ or might show as HSPAP which is the 42Mbits, and then 4G LTE
fetalp said:
Use the app Open Signal from here It will show you when your using 3G because even if when you are on 3G it shows 4G icon on tmobile because the 4G is the upgraded 3G
When you run the speed test it will tell you if you are on 2G, 3G, 3G/HSDPA (which is 4G), HSPA+ or might show as HSPAP which is the 42Mbits, and then 4G LTE
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Thanks for the info, I checked out that app the other day and it looks like I can only get 2G at my house... Hell I can't believe that they still have 2G towers... This blows my mind... I guess I'm thankful that when I'm in LTE it's faster then I had with Big Red... Thanks again!!
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You can always try and use the other APN settings. Some people have luck with those.
epc.t-mobile.com
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also you can put up a widget on your screen from Network Signal Info. I use it all the time. Great little widget that will show you your current connection type, signal and a whole lot more info.
What i use it for is to watch my UMTS connection and see if i am on HSDPA or + aka 15 or 21, then it also shows LTE when your connected to that..
If your in a spot where your not sure what connection you have this widget works wonders.
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I just updated to trigger 2.1 and now my data thing goes between 3G and H. What is H and what's the difference between them?
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http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-3g-and-hsdpa/
alecjake said:
I just updated to trigger 2.1 and now my data thing goes between 3G and H. What is H and what's the difference between them?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umts - when the icon shows 3G this is what it shows
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPDA - when the icon shows H
HSPDA is able to provide faster speeds, but I believe it's highly dependent on how strong your signal is
Not sure myself, but if you're on Tmobile or ATT it pribably stands for HSDPA. 3G would mean WCDMA I believe.
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Long story short... it depends on how the ROM has been programmed to display what protocol your phone is using for data traffic.
3G just means regular UMTS 3G data
H means that it is is using HSPA, a faster protocol for UMTS 3G.
It doesn't mean that you're taking advantage of the faster speeds... that is dependent upon a slew of other factors.
Just to clear some things up. 3G is an all encompassing term, that INCLUDES the following technologies:
UMTS
HS(D/U)PA(+)
W-CDMA
EV-DO Rev 0/A/B
LTE
WiMax
As noted in the post immediately above me, the symbol it shows, depends on how the rom was customised to show each icon for the corresponding protocol.
If you don't believe me, that's cool, but go look at the ITU declinations on what is and is not 3g. There is no 4G CDMA technology. Pure CDMA is dead in the long run. All the current 3G GSM technologies, use the WCDMA or OFDMA air interface.
OFDM is not 3G
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OFDM is not 3G
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This is false. WiMax uses OFDM and LTE uses OFDMA (the same, but for multi-user as opposed to single). WiMax as 802.16e is NOT 4g. Neither is anything currently available and anything being deployed in the next 2-3 years.
I didn't say it was 4G. I said that OFDM was not 3G.
It isn't. Taking the broad view, its pretty clear to me that code div mult access is what differentiates 3G from its predecessors.
With 4G it will be orthogonal frequency
Here's a mathematical formula that pertains to all Vibrant ROMS that use an H and/or 3G
3G = H
The answer is, there is no difference except for the way they look. Both are really only using 3g.
The phone switches from hsdpa to umts back and forth all day according to how you use the internet. It automatically switches from hsdpa to umts when it is not browsing the web. That is-- if you live in an area with hsdpa. In which case it would stay on umts all day. Which would make your battery pretty happy. My battery hates hsdpa
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The phone switches from hsdpa to umts back and forth all day according to how you use the internet. It automatically switches from hsdpa to umts when it is not browsing the web. That is-- if you live in an area with hsdpa. In which case it would stay on umts all day. Which would make your battery pretty happy. My battery hates hsdpa
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This is false. Your phone jumps on the preferred network. Usually, unless you have specified, it sits on the fastest preferred network available. As such, battery consumption improves when you disable 3g (which is HSPA AND UMTS).
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I didn't say it was 4G. I said that OFDM was not 3G.
It isn't. Taking the broad view, its pretty clear to me that code div mult access is what differentiates 3G from its predecessors.
With 4G it will be orthogonal frequency
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If it's not 3g then what is it? OFDM is used on both current 3g and future 4g (LTE-Advanced) systems.
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Here's a mathematical formula that pertains to all Vibrant ROMS that use an H and/or 3G
3G = H
The answer is, there is no difference except for the way they look. Both are really only using 3g.
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hi there,
I believe what you say and if it is just a matter in which the ROM is programmed, why does my stupid S3 still switches from H+ to 3g?
I dont know and I cant tell if either of the two is faster than the other, but it is annyoing the constant switching
Thanks
Davide
banzayworld said:
hi there,
I believe what you say and if it is just a matter in which the ROM is programmed, why does my stupid S3 still switches from H+ to 3g?
I dont know and I cant tell if either of the two is faster than the other, but it is annyoing the constant switching
Thanks
Davide
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H+ = HSPA+ = 3g. There are different names for the different 3g evolutions and technologies, but they are still 3g. It keeps hopping between the networks because you're unfortunately in an area with bad coverage for the faster network.
I am wondering if there is way for me to shut down the 4G service on my amaze and have 3G instead. I know on some android phones it is possible. signal drops on 4G is really pissing me off
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I am wondering if there is way for me to shut down the 4G service on my amaze and have 3G instead. I know on some android phones it is possible. signal drops on 4G is really pissing me off
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if it drops 4g it should automatically switch to 3g, if its not, its either cause you have no data reception at all at the time, or you have a screwed up phone, probably not the latter. There are some toggle apps you can look into on the market though, elixir is really good, and beautiful widgets has a 4g toggle i believe as well... hope this helps ya...
I'm using LTE switch. cuts it down too 4G
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.geoffreybuttercrumbs.lteswitch&feature=search_result
GSM Only (2g)
GSM Auto (4g)
elixir looks nice, I'm going to play around with it.
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I'm using LTE switch. cuts it down too 4G
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.geoffreybuttercrumbs.lteswitch&feature=search_result
GSM Only (2g)
GSM Auto (4g)
elixir looks nice, I'm going to play around with it.
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the LTE switch works for HSPA+?
It's kicking my phone down too and showing 2G and after running a speed test it's like 200kbps. I haven't really tried to kick it over to 3G.
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I am wondering if there is way for me to shut down the 4G service on my amaze and have 3G instead. I know on some android phones it is possible. signal drops on 4G is really pissing me off
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Your choices are 2G or 3G/4G. The 3G and 4G signals are essentially the same, both WCDMA. This is why you don't see a 3G icon, it is all wrapped into the 4G icon.
If you want to stop 4G data, you can download the widget from the market or go to Settings > Wireless & Networks >Mobile Networks > and change Network Mode to GSM only.
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Your choices are 2G or 3G/4G. The 3G and 4G signals are essentially the same, both WCDMA. This is why you don't see a 3G icon, it is all wrapped into the 4G icon.
If you want to stop 4G data, you can download the widget from the market or go to Settings > Wireless & Networks >Mobile Networks > and change Network Mode to GSM only.
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This.
4G and 3G use the same "part" of the network.
T-Mobile's network is not like Verizon or Sprint, where a completely different communication channel is being used.
The functionality is quite similar to WiFi...With 802.11 B and G, they use they same frequencies and talk on the same channels. However, 802.11 B tops out at 10Mbps, while G is capable of hitting (theoretically) 54mbps. The only caveat being that both the access point and the client, must support the updated protocol.
So yes, although it's doesn't seem logical, your choice is either 4G (HSDPA and HSDPA+) or 2G (EDGE).
If 3 and 4g are the same on Tmobile's network, then when you're on 4G, does it use any more battery than it does on 3G?
My user experience says yes. The battery hogging is on par with the EVO and Sprint's wimax. There was a switch to revert to 3G, and all sprint users that I knew never used 4G because it drained the battery in a matter of a few hours.
On an AT&T iPhone 3G, the battery never drained this quickly.
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vikramdhani said:
I am wondering if there is way for me to shut down the 4G service on my amaze and have 3G instead. I know on some android phones it is possible. signal drops on 4G is really pissing me off
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As long as i am not leaving the 3G or 4G area, i set mine on wcdma only. Problem solved. When i travel into 2g areas, i put it back on auto.
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If 3 and 4g are the same on Tmobile's network, then when you're on 4G, does it use any more battery than it does on 3G?
My user experience says yes. The battery hogging is on par with the EVO and Sprint's wimax. There was a switch to revert to 3G, and all sprint users that I knew never used 4G because it drained the battery in a matter of a few hours.
On an AT&T iPhone 3G, the battery never drained this quickly.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong.. But our 3g and 4g has no dependence on our radio. It's dependent on the signal we receive. So to answer your question, no power is saved because 3g and 4g use the same part of the phone. Only on 2g because a lower power radio is receiving the data signal
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I searched and couldn't find the answer to this, possibly because it's a stupid question, but here goes. THE Amaze with 48 hspa, does it receive faster data speeds while using Wi-Fi? Or does that only translate to cellular speeds?
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I searched and couldn't find the answer to this, possibly because it's a stupid question, but here goes. THE Amaze with 48 hspa, does it receive faster data speeds while using Wi-Fi? Or does that only translate to cellular speeds?
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Cellular data. Is it faster than wifi? Depends on your internet provider.
big70tom said:
I searched and couldn't find the answer to this, possibly because it's a stupid question, but here goes. THE Amaze with 48 hspa, does it receive faster data speeds while using Wi-Fi? Or does that only translate to cellular speeds?
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No, wifi is the same. 4g is faster than other phones - when you are in 4g coverage.
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No, wifi is the same. 4g is faster than other phones - when you are in 4g coverage.
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Here in the Vancouver area I don't know if we actually have 4G coverage (although my 4G icon seems to think so) but there is no question that my wifi connection is faster than my data connection. Waaaaaay faster than my Hero was on wifi. Don't know if that's because the Hero was only "g" whereas the Amaze is "n." When I'm connected through wifi most apps are downloaded and installed practically instantly.
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Here in the Vancouver area I don't know if we actually have 4G coverage (although my 4G icon seems to think so) but there is no question that my wifi connection is faster than my data connection. Waaaaaay faster than my Hero was on wifi. Don't know if that's because the Hero was only "g" whereas the Amaze is "n." When I'm connected through wifi most apps are downloaded and installed practically instantly.
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Here in Soviet Russia... Man is faster than 4g!
I'm jk but yes, the hardware for the amaze is better for wifi and cellular data then some of the older models. The op was asking about the hardware relating to cellular data though, which is not related to wifi. But as binary mention it depends on your isp and strength of your router. The g and n doesnt really give you faster download speed, but the difference in signal strength does. g and n gives you faster data transfer between devices connected to the network.
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My town just got 4g and I've noticed that my phone will choose more bars of 3g over less bars of 4g. But id rather have 2 bars of 4g than 4 bars of 3g if you know what I mean. Is there any way to help this? Any apps I can download?
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It doesn't really work that way. 3g and 4g are independent connections that are maintained simultaneously. You're still connected to 3g even when 4g is connected. If you aren't getting 4g, then it simply isn't connecting to it and there really isn't much you can do about it.
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My town just got 4g and I've noticed that my phone will choose more bars of 3g over less bars of 4g. But id rather have 2 bars of 4g than 4 bars of 3g if you know what I mean. Is there any way to help this? Any apps I can download?
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Since I am on the latest ICS global firmware and a custom ROM, I not sure if if this location is still accurate, but go to settings-call-preferred network. When you get to this you should see a number of options. One is LTE only (4G setting) if that is what you want to do. However, if you do this, then you may not get a data connection if 4G is not available. Also, if you have a weak 4G signal, if will eat up your battery time.
You might try downloading a 4G Toggle program from Play Store. It will take you directly to phone settings. Even though I live in a 4G area, I actually leave my phone in 3G CDMA only mode unless I really need the 4G speed to download something. I get much better battery life.
You could try getting into the hidden phone settings and changing your prefered connection to CDMA, LTE which should disable 3g if i understand it right. That option should also save you a bit of battery life as well if it works.
You should be able to choose lte only from the hidden menu
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I'm in a decent LTE area (DFW). Why can I have crappy 4G data and can't load anything. Then I dial *#*#4636#*#* and change to LTE ONLY and it loads LTE and extremely fast, but obviously can't accept calls. Why does the LTE/GSM not just stick on LTE instead of going 4G -_-
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Do you have the Google edition one?
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Yes, more info about the device please.
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I'm in a decent LTE area (DFW). Why can I have crappy 4G data and can't load anything. Then I dial *#*#4636#*#* and change to LTE ONLY and it loads LTE and extremely fast, but obviously can't accept calls. Why does the LTE/GSM not just stick on LTE instead of going 4G -_-
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No I have the official T-Mobile version, it is running the latest firmware and radio as of last week. Running AOSP ROM AICP.
I mean it could possibly be due to them working on towers but it still seems weird that the phone wouldn't try to connect to LTE when ever it is possibly available. It might be a placaebo effect, but it just seems like the phone has been having way more delays loading things, even if the ping is low in Speed Test.
dotson817 said:
I'm in a decent LTE area (DFW). Why can I have crappy 4G data and can't load anything. Then I dial *#*#4636#*#* and change to LTE ONLY and it loads LTE and extremely fast, but obviously can't accept calls. Why does the LTE/GSM not just stick on LTE instead of going 4G -_-
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When the phone is set to LTE/GSM it will monitor signal thresholds to try and keep you from having a poor experience on LTE at the fringe. So that if it detects your LTE signal is low it will move over to 4G or even 2G to try and provide you a better experience. When you set it to LTE only then it stays on LTE as long as you have usable signal.
T-Mobile probably has the threshold set too conservative, but that doesn't explain your poor experience on 4g (HSPA). I live in DFW and my HSPA service is fast.
Im in Dallas. Main travel area is old east dallas and north central / north east dallas..
I can tell you that im happy with both HSDPA+ and LTE with them.
on the rare occasion i have had a reception / speed issue i find that power cycling my phone fixed it. Also make sure if you do that you have FastBoot disabled.
Thats under power settings, make sure its not checked.
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Also make sure if you do that you have FastBoot disabled.
Thats under power settings, make sure its not checked.
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What's wrong with using Fast Boot?
it doesnt shut down apps properly..
its similar to hibernation.
Good to know, thanks.