Ok so I had the S4 for about 29 days and couldn't for the life of me get voice recognition to work. I mean, work at all. Outside of that the S4 was nothing short of amazing.
I'm in the SF Bay Area, specifically the San Jose area and my LTE speeds were phenomenal. However, I had the Evo before the S4 and the voice recognition vs the S4 were night and day. The S4 is absolutely sad when it comes to voice recognition. So anyway, swapped out the S4 for the One after paying the restocking fee and I have yet to have the One fail to recognize anything I have said. On the way home for the store I saw my data speeds actually seemed to be better than the S4 but just before I got home I software updated to the current version and now my speeds are actually worse and it actually has a harder time keeping an LTE connection. I am not just imagining all this I used my S4 constantly to test speeds anywhere and everywhere around me and now it's clear the One just isn't as good. Again I'm not too sure how much of a difference the new software update did because I updated shortly after I got the phone but it's definitely worse. Even so, it was definitely worth it to trade in the S4 for the One since I use voice recognition for a lot of things and I don't mind the smaller LTE speeds since I can still get decent HSPA+ speeds.
Got to love having HSPA+42 as a fall back. So your S4 was T-Mobile as well I'm assuming? I can go from 4-5 bars LTE to 4g in a 50ft area. My wife has the One also & our phones before that were not LTE. I'm trying to figure out if it's the phone or T-Mobiles immature LTE network. But I have nothing els to test. Like you said it's no big deal I go from fast to stupidly fast. 10x10 LTE is coming which is supposed to be the fastest in the industry were on 5x5 now. The CEO called out all other carriers to match their speeds when he announced the 10x10 roll out. Testing in Newyork will be in 25 areas end of 2013 one of the benefits of being late to the LTE game & having newer LTE equipment. Twice the band width.
Anyway so the S4 held LTE on the same network? Just held it better but still spotty, or held it strong?
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Got to love having HSPA+42 as a fall back. So your S4 was T-Mobile as well I'm assuming? I can go from 4-5 bars LTE to 4g in a 50ft area. My wife has the One also & our phones before that were not LTE. I'm trying to figure out if it's the phone or T-Mobiles immature LTE network. But I have nothing els to test. Like you said it's no big deal I go from fast to stupidly fast. 10x10 LTE is coming which is supposed to be the fastest in the industry were on 5x5 now. The CEO called out all other carriers to match their speeds when he announced the 10x10 roll out. Testing in Newyork will be in 25 areas end of 2013 one of the benefits of being late to the LTE game & having newer LTE equipment. Twice the band width.
Anyway so the S4 held LTE on the same network? Just held it better but still spotty, or held it strong?
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Ok, I'm going to be a bit more detailed.
Yes, I was Tmobile with both phones that's why I was able to swap phones within the 30 day period...actually at the 30th day
The route I took from the tmobile store to my house I tested my speeds and I was getting actually better speeds than I got on my S4. Just before I got home I did the software update. When I got home I now see that my speeds in my house are around 10-15 down and 7 -10 up....My best download speed thus far is 17mb. Before on my S4 I was around 15-25 down and 7-15 up. Before, on my S4 I got around 2 bars only but it rarely toggled much out of LTE to HSPA+. Now, when I try to do a speedtest it bounces off of LTE and down to HSPA+ just after the download test is done and before it does the upload test. It doesn't do this always but usually. With the S4 it would occasionally drop down to HSPA+ but hardly. This isn't something I'm imagining, it's very clear to me.
Driving around now my upload speeds are actually sometimes higher than my download speeds. It's like 15down and 20 up. I never seen this before with the S4. It seems like I'm getting throttled now. Also, it's harder for me to get LTE at spots where I used to always get LTE speeds. Again, this is very clear to me not something I'm making up. Even with that said I'm still really happy with my One. Like I said it ALWAYS recognizes my voice and correctly gets what I say. With the S4 it RARELY if ever got what I said and I wouldn't dare try to enter in cities and state or it would not recognize at all. I just can't believe me and my friends are the only people having problems with the S4 recognizing voices.
Yeah, I can't wait for the 10x10 speeds. I gotta think that that will come to the Silicon Valley as part of the first rollouts.
I did almost the same thing with the same results as the OP. I started off with the S4 but just hated the plastic field (ended up selling it instead of paying the restocking fee though ) Anyway, ran a bunch of speed tests with the S4 while at home and was consistently getting 20-25 mbs down compared to a max 16 mbs down with the One. I also have T-mobile btw, and again all tests were done at home. Im wondering if the aluminum casing has anything to do with the change in speed? What do I know though, lol
I own both and the S 4 not only holds a better LTE connection but it has gotten me faster data speeds. If there was someway to combine these phones they would perfect. :/
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consistently getting 20-25 mbs down compared to a max 16 mbs down with the One.
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I get that in areas with good LTE reception.
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Interesting that you get those speeds but I still dont understand why results would be so different from the same location. Can data speed change according to time of day by any chance?
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I can get some pretty decent speeds with my One here in Houston. For what it's worth, they got better after I changed to the old APN.
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Ok so I had the S4 for about 29 days and couldn't for the life of me get voice recognition to work. I mean, work at all. Outside of that the S4 was nothing short of amazing.
I'm in the SF Bay Area, specifically the San Jose area and my LTE speeds were phenomenal. However, I had the Evo before the S4 and the voice recognition vs the S4 were night and day. The S4 is absolutely sad when it comes to voice recognition. So anyway, swapped out the S4 for the One after paying the restocking fee and I have yet to have the One fail to recognize anything I have said. On the way home for the store I saw my data speeds actually seemed to be better than the S4 but just before I got home I software updated to the current version and now my speeds are actually worse and it actually has a harder time keeping an LTE connection. I am not just imagining all this I used my S4 constantly to test speeds anywhere and everywhere around me and now it's clear the One just isn't as good. Again I'm not too sure how much of a difference the new software update did because I updated shortly after I got the phone but it's definitely worse. Even so, it was definitely worth it to trade in the S4 for the One since I use voice recognition for a lot of things and I don't mind the smaller LTE speeds since I can still get decent HSPA+ speeds.
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I'm in san Jose area as well and had the s4 but honestly I didn't notice a difference in internet speeds, I just like the one better, it's great for rap music and is very fast, only thing lacking is software support but I think America should be blamed for that
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well i got the s4 first. it was ok, but it lagged pretty bad in normal usage. at first i was like, its not that bad. but then after a week, i wanted to throw the phone at a wall lol. the lag just drove me nuts for a phone with this good of hardware. also i came from a nexus 4 which was much smoother in day to day use then the gs4 imo. so i sent back my s4 to get the htc one. once i got it, right off the bat you can tell it was much faster and smoother. i haven't had any lag issues or anything. so far i am very happy i made the switch to the htc one. it hasn't let me down yet. lol
Damn I'm loving my LTE it's spotty but these speeds are consistent when the LTE is 4-5 bars. Noone els has mentioned speeds anywhere close to what I'm getting. I'll quit complaining almost 40Mbps down & 20Mbps up on 5x5 come on 10x10 CEO said 60Mbps that's what I want to see when 10x10 hits we always get things first here in AZ. There gonna have to make a new gauge in speed test. Mine just pegs at 20 & sits there lol.
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Damn I'm loving my LTE it's spotty but these speeds are consistent when the LTE is 4-5 bars. Noone els has mentioned speeds anywhere close to what I'm getting. I'll quit complaining almost 40Mbps down & 20Mbps up on 5x5 come on 10x10 CEO said 60Mbps that's what I want to see when 10x10 hits we always get things first here in AZ. There gonna have to make a new gauge in speed test. Mine just pegs at 20 & sits there lol.
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Those are the same speeds I get where I am. It's pretty nice.
...except I'm throttled.
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Interesting that you get those speeds but I still dont understand why results would be so different from the same location. Can data speed change according to time of day by any chance?
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It all depends on how many people are using the network. If hardly anyone is on you'll get amazing speeds. But if there are alot of people using it it'll slow down.
(Which is the main reason carriers are so picky about tethering. If someone is downloading at 40mbs 24/7 it's making everyone else slow)
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I just tested my One vs my buddies S4 side by side in an area with only hspa+ and I was getting 7mb down and my buddy was getting around 15mb down on each and every test. It's clear that the S4 is far superior in terms of download speed. It's not really even close.
Also, my LTE speeds are far less than my S4, it's not even close. Most of the time I get less download than upload.
It's either this or I'm getting throttled. My bill cycle ends on the 24th so I will compare again at that time and update here. I am currently at 12gb of data in my billing cycle.
Why are you throttled? Not on the $19.99 truly unlimited? I don't know why anyone wouldn't be at that price.
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Either way 7mb down is plenty for anything you would do on a phone. That's more than enough to stream Hi Def video which is about the most demanding thing you can do on a phone download wise. You only need about 4-5mb down for that. The 37mb down I get with a strong LTE signal is just stupid fast. Unless you're teathering multiple devices there is no need for those kinds of speeds though I'll take them. & were still on 5x5 LTE wait until 10x10 goes live. 25 markets by the end of 2013. One of the bonuses of being late to the LTE game newer hardware in the towers. Verizon can't get 10x10 without replacing a lot of equipment. With the new 10x10 T-Mobile will have the fastest & most bandwidth of any carrier in the US. It's a good time to be with T-Mobile. That & I got 2 HTC Ones for $17 out the door with the tax only sale. $97 for tax on the two phone minus $80 for my amaze 4g trade in. Best cell deal of my life. I'm loving T-Mobile, leaving Verizon was the best thing I ever did.
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Why are you throttled? Not on the $19.99 truly unlimited? I don't know why anyone wouldn't be at that price.
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Either way 7mb down is plenty for anything you would do on a phone. That's more than enough to stream Hi Def video which is about the most demanding thing you can do on a phone download wise. You only need about 4-5mb down for that. The 37mb down I get with a strong LTE signal is just stupid fast. Unless you're teathering multiple devices there is no need for those kinds of speeds though I'll take them. & were still on 5x5 LTE wait until 10x10 goes live. 25 markets by the end of 2013. One of the bonuses of being late to the LTE game newer hardware in the towers. Verizon can't get 10x10 without replacing a lot of equipment. With the new 10x10 T-Mobile will have the fastest & most bandwidth of any carrier in the US. It's a good time to be with T-Mobile. That & I got 2 HTC Ones for $17 out the door with the tax only sale. $97 for tax on the two phone minus $80 for my amaze 4g trade in. Best cell deal of my life. I'm loving T-Mobile, leaving Verizon was the best thing I ever did.
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No I got the full unlimited plan but it's really the only theory that explains my lack of speeds with the One vs when I had the S4 except that the One really does have issues with the signal getting through the metal case.
I agree with your entire post. You just can't beat Tmobile right now. And its only going to get better especially if the San Jose/Santa Clara area gets the 10x10.
Ever since I flashed GE on my S4, I've been liking it alot more than my One... TouchWiz was really holding back the S4 IMHO with all its bloat
- Much faster LTE speeds on my S4... easily over 30mb/s download and upload in most cases
- Re-moveable battery and microSD
- S4 seems slightly faster after flashing GE... was MUCH slower on stock rom
I traded my One for an S4 about a week ago and boy do I regret it. Sense absolutely ****s on Touchwiz, the lag was so bad that I am now forced to go strictly AOSP on my S4. At least with my One I could back and forth without feeling like I was losing significant speed. Battery life on the S4 is slightly better (getting about 2-2.5 more hours of screen time) but I can attribute that to the bigger battery in the S4 and honestly I was complacent with the life that my One was giving me. The One is just a better device in my opinion, I had an S3 before I had the One and thought I'd be hooked again if I got the S4. Negative. I miss my One so much -_-
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the deal breaker for me really is the voice recognition....I guess it doesn't really resonate too much with most people but the S4 is so absolutely gawdy with voice recognition....it's not even close...as I've continued to use my One I now have Google Now on the homescreen and now I just realized that my Evo actually had that same feature but I never used it...I can't really believe I don't hear many S4 owners complaining about the voice recognition problems with it
i gotta be honest tho...the difference in LTE signal is sooooo immense...there are times when I'm directly next to a tower i used to get 4 bars with my S4 and 38 down and 20 up at ...it doesn't even connect to it with my One
I gotta say if voice recognition is no big deal to someone I would say just stay with the S4..both phones are probably the same processing speed all things being equal, but the LTE disparity is really great
I have both as I got an s4 through Samsung free and I bought my HTC one at release. I hate touchwiz, and this is coming from the guy who used to always choose Samsung over HTC. Sense 5 is the only skin which I feel adds to android and does not make it ugly or really slows it down at all. Touchwiz is built, ugly, with no design elements at all. I'm a web designer and I always appreciate well designed software, touchwiz has no flow to it at all, plain ugly.
I would agree that s4 does hold lte better though.
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I currently have the EVO (great phone) but I have trouble using the 4G (WIMAX), I live in a 4G area that doesn't have 4G, lol and and work I have a lot of concrete around, so 4G doesn't work there either, so I'm wondering if I should try the TB 4G on LTE, I use 3g at work no problem but its still too slow. I hardly never have the 4G turned on my EVO which Im kinda upset about, so far WIMAX has really kinda sucked. Does anyone have experience with both radios? and do you think LTE might penetrate the concrete at my work?
It should do better. The way i understand it, higher frequencies (Wimax being 2.5 -3.5 GHz range) are more easily deflected. Like a bouncing ball.
LTE runs at 700 MHz and does penetrate better. Like a dodgeball.
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I currently have the EVO (great phone) but I have trouble using the 4G (WIMAX), I live in a 4G area that doesn't have 4G, lol and and work I have a lot of concrete around, so 4G doesn't work there either, so I'm wondering if I should try the TB 4G on LTE, I use 3g at work no problem but its still too slow. I hardly never have the 4G turned on my EVO which Im kinda upset about, so far WIMAX has really kinda sucked. Does anyone have experience with both radios? and do you think LTE might penetrate the concrete at my work?
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Nobody can really say because we don't have a LTE phone yet. You might want to test one when they come out.
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Nobody can really say because we don't have a LTE phone yet. You might want to test one when they come out.
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Thanks I will try it and ill keep my fingers crossed.
LTE will penetrate buildings better than WiMAX. The question is whether your specific spot is in good coverage and only you can test that.
I've been ordering 4G LTE usb modems for my company's new hires and had one of the other IT guys do some bandwidth tests. (I ordered one of his new hires the 4G modem and he promptly had me switch it into his name and gave his new hire his old 3G model). Anyway, he got 4.55 Mb/s down and 3.13 Mb/s up compared to 1.75 Mb/s down and 0.53 Mb/s up on his 3G modem. This was in NYC. Indoors, but with good reception. This is very fast indeed.
LTE is vastly superior to wimax. I can write more details out later, but you can put your faith in it.
Worked on the infrastructure!
Quite simply, Wimax sucks. I can only get it downtown. I can get it for thirty seconds at my job and I can't get it at all in my home. I can't even get it if I step outside. Sprint has really dug a hole for themselves tacking on 10 dollars under the title of "Premium Data." They later tacked on a premium data charge for all smartphones; they would have been better off simply saying that they were raising prices to offset the costs of being able to provide unlimited data... These things led to Sprint having record lows on their quarterly report. Having a new Nintendo DS-like non-4G enabled phone isn't gonna help their sales much more... Making the decision to switch to Verizon to get the Thunderbolt because I will be able to get the best service. In my neighborhood, Verizon is the only carrier that gets full bars and doesn't drop calls. They charge a lot but you can't say that you don't get what you pay for. I'm certain that Verizon's LTE will be superior to Wimax. Verizon is all about having services and devices that are superior to their competition.
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Quite simply, Wimax sucks. I can only get it downtown. I can get it for thirty seconds at my job and I can't get it at all in my home. I can't even get it if I step outside. Sprint has really dug a hole for themselves tacking on 10 dollars under the title of "Premium Data." They later tacked on a premium data charge for all smartphones; they would have been better off simply saying that they were raising prices to offset the costs of being able to provide unlimited data... These things led to Sprint having record lows on their quarterly report. Having a new Nintendo DS-like non-4G enabled phone isn't gonna help their sales much more... I making the decision to switch to Verizon to get the Thunderbolt because I will be able to get the best service. In my neighborhood, Verizon is the only carrier that gets full bars and doesn't drop calls. They charge a lot but you can't say that you don't get what you pay for. I'm certain that Verizon's LTE will be superior to Wimax. Verizon is all about having services and devices that are superior to their competition.
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Well said. The thunderbolt/Verizon is definitely ahead of the curve at this moment, and probably will be through 2011.
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LTE will penetrate buildings better than WiMAX. The question is whether your specific spot is in good coverage and only you can test that.
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Technically, its the frequency being used (700mhz vs 2.5ghz), rather than the technology (LTE vs WiMax).
Higher frequency (2.5ghz) can't travel as far (so you need more towers per square mile), and has a harder time penetrating solid objects compared to lower frequencies (700mhz).
Really want the giant screen of this phone, even though I really like my Epic Touch 4G; Obviously Sprint data speeds suck right now, but, not sure ATT would be that much better here in the SW 'burbs of Chicago..
Anyone out there that switched from the ET4G for this bad boy?
Are you glad you did, or not so glad?
Thanks so much for your input!
I came from a long line of devices on Sprint, my last being the E4GT. I'm extremely happy with the Note, no regrets in leaving Sprint at all.
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i'm hoping someone from the Chicago land area will chime in and tell me how ATT service is here now' a few years ago I tried ATT, and I couldn't even make or receive phone calls in my house in Willowbrook..
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i'm hoping someone from the Chicago land area will chime in and tell me how ATT service is here now' a few years ago I tried ATT, and I couldn't even make or receive phone calls in my house in Willowbrook..
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In not far from u (la grange) and att has improved ALOT in last few years. Still get dropped calls here and there but not like in the past. LTE is just wow and that's even with us in Chi town land not getting nowhere near the speeds other markets are. (10 mbs here and Dallas is at 40mbs) .
I've had VZW LTE on my galaxy tab and left them, was never on sprint but remember Nextel
As for the Note I don't think u will put it down much, battery is mehhh but given how much I use it I'm not complaining and there's always a charger near me. My mother lives in wiilowbrook and I have not had any issues in that area, Indian head park is weak in my experience.
Hope this helps.
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In not far from u (la grange) and att has improved ALOT in last few years. Still get dropped calls here and there but not like in the past. LTE is just wow and that's even with us in Chi town land not getting nowhere near the speeds other markets are. (10 mbs here and Dallas is at 40mbs) .
I've had VZW LTE on my galaxy tab and left them, was never on sprint but remember Nextel
As for the Note I don't think u will put it down much, battery is mehhh but given how much I use it I'm not complaining and there's always a charger near me. My mother lives in wiilowbrook and I have not had any issues in that area, Indian head park is weak in my experience.
Hope this helps.
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How does the 4glte work inside your house?
Even though I am really close to Sprint wimax towers, i really get no 4g signal inside my house...
Do you drop calls inside your house, or out on the road?
I work from a home office, and using the phone part of the "package" is very important to me...
Thanks again!
I live in Burr Ridge. Last month I sold my Epic Touch 4g on Sprint for the Note.
Back in the day I'd had the iPhone 3g on AT&T and the service sucked, and I'd swore I'd never come back to AT&T, but I really wanted the Note. I've had no problems on the Note on AT&T...no dropped calls yet, and love the 4g speeds. The 3g speeds I get on AT&T are faster than any of the 4g Wimax speeds I used to get on Sprint.
Fyi here is a speediest from my house and I'm not on lte (it always says 4g in the statusbar, when you're in LTE you'll see a little "lte" in there as well)
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Came from sprint, California. It's more expensive but the service is awesome. Unlimited data was a cruel joke unless I was in 4g area, staying still with a door or window open
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I live in Burr Ridge. Last month I sold my Epic Touch 4g on Sprint for the Note.
Back in the day I'd had the iPhone 3g on AT&T and the service sucked, and I'd swore I'd never come back to AT&T, but I really wanted the Note. I've had no problems on the Note on AT&T...no dropped calls yet, and love the 4g speeds. The 3g speeds I get on AT&T are faster than any of the 4g Wimax speeds I used to get on Sprint.
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thats great to hear!
when I used to have ATT a few years ago, I dropped calls ALWAYS in certain areas; rt 83 and 63rd street, 55 and 355 overpass, it was pretty pathetic to tell people on a call that you had to hang up, because you were going to lose the call..Plus, when I lived in Darien, I had to go out side to make or receive calls, and that was just stupid, especially in the winter!!
Glad to hear they have upgraded the network in the SW burbs...being an older guy, I actually use the phone for phone calls first and foremost..
and, as far as pricing, it appears that with 3 lines and the family plan, I will be paying about 30 dollars a month LESS with ATt than with sprint..hard to believe, but I confirmed the pricing yesterday...Sprints 10 dollar "premium" to own a smartphone now is just bull****..
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I live in Burr Ridge. Last month I sold my Epic Touch 4g on Sprint for the Note.
Back in the day I'd had the iPhone 3g on AT&T and the service sucked, and I'd swore I'd never come back to AT&T, but I really wanted the Note. I've had no problems on the Note on AT&T...no dropped calls yet, and love the 4g speeds. The 3g speeds I get on AT&T are faster than any of the 4g Wimax speeds I used to get on Sprint.
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I assume its just as easy to root this guy as it was the ET4g?
I checked the Dev section, and it doesn't seem there are as many custom Roms for this guy yet; it is a lot newer, but I wonder if things like CM9 will ever make their way to this phone...
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Really want the giant screen of this phone, even though I really like my Epic Touch 4G; Obviously Sprint data speeds suck right now, but, not sure ATT would be that much better here in the SW 'burbs of Chicago..
Anyone out there that switched from the ET4G for this bad boy?
Are you glad you did, or not so glad?
Thanks so much for your input!
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If you like your epic touch 4G...then you'll Love the Note. No doubt.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
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-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
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/Thats what she said...
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I assume its just as easy to root this guy as it was the ET4g?
I checked the Dev section, and it doesn't seem there are as many custom Roms for this guy yet; it is a lot newer, but I wonder if things like CM9 will ever make their way to this phone...
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Yeah, rooting was just as easy. Also, there aren't may custom Roms, but Quality > Quantity.
DAGr8's Saurom rom is the only ROM I've flashed so far (gingerbread ROM) and I've had no complaints. There also has already been an ICS leak and various ROM's that I haven't tried yet and we know a real release will be coming.
Also, Cm9 is supposedly coming:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1568698
I have a split level house so I'm more in the lower level and I do have spots where I get weak call signal but still able to make receive calls. I too work out of my house (transfer office to cell when I leave) so I rely on my cell for work mainly. LTE reception is very good for me at home but I do use my wifi mainly when home. I have been with att since it was Ameritech and have had every iPhone since the first one but can safely say iPhones cell reception is crap compared to the note. My wife and daughter have iPhones and they still drop calls way way more then me. I never had the phone ur coming from so I can't attest to compare as I have been a sammy guy since the galaxy s and cannot see myself going to another brand.
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For anyone wondering. .yea this device is 3 times the speed of sprint ..I came from sprint after 3 years of bottom of the barrel 3g so called..3g I signed up with atat and Right of the bat atat was twice as fast good signal and YES CAN FINALLY STREAM MEDIA WITHOUT LAG.It may not be lte but hspa is suitable
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/Thats what she said...
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After she met me....
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
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For anyone wondering. .yea this device is 3 times the speed of sprint ..I came from sprint after 3 years of bottom of the barrel 3g so called..3g I signed up with atat and Right of the bat atat was twice as fast good signal and YES CAN FINALLY STREAM MEDIA WITHOUT LAG.It may not be lte but hspa is suitable
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I'm just hoping the service in my area of Chicago land has improved over what it was 3 years ago, when ATT was the absolute worst in my area..
I never drop calls with sprint when I am out of my house, and inside of it, I have been using an Air Rave device that they provided, so that isn't an issue at home.
Their 3G data is horrible, and, they claim its because they are currently upgrading their network; I gotta tell ya, it was just as bad when they weren't upgrading their network. Typical 3g speeds are 100-400kb, so the thought of getting 5-10 megs from ATT is very exciting...
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I'm just hoping the service in my area of Chicago land has improved over what it was 3 years ago, when ATT was the absolute worst in my area..
I never drop calls with sprint when I am out of my house, and inside of it, I have been using an Air Rave device that they provided, so that isn't an issue at home.
Their 3G data is horrible, and, they claim its because they are currently upgrading their network; I gotta tell ya, it was just as bad when they weren't upgrading their network. Typical 3g speeds are 100-400kb, so the thought of getting 5-10 megs from ATT is very exciting...
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If I were you, I would test the Note in and around your house for a few days to make sure the reception works well overall.
At times, the data jumps back-and-forth between HSPA and LTE depending on your whereabouts. But...I don't believe it really drains that much battery.
And I agree how Sprint's 3G is an absolute joke....I thought VZW 3G was horrid...but when I saw it on Sprint, it was unbelievably slow.
They continue to advertise that they're the only 1 of the big 4 providers who still offer "truly unlimited data"....but what's the point of having that if you're basically already throttled with dial-up speeds.
Only thing i hate about note is qualcom processor, thats only aspect I miss of s2
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If I were you, I would test the Note in and around your house for a few days to make sure the reception works well overall.
At times, the data jumps back-and-forth between HSPA and LTE depending on your whereabouts. But...I don't believe it really drains that much battery.
And I agree how Sprint's 3G is an absolute joke....I thought VZW 3G was horrid...but when I saw it on Sprint, it was unbelievably slow.
They continue to advertise that they're the only 1 of the big 4 providers who still offer "truly unlimited data"....but what's the point of having that if you're basically already throttled with dial-up speeds.
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yeah, I plan on testing it immediately, but, the problem is of course, that once I port the number over, of their service sucks, its a pain to cancel with them and go back to Sprint; I love the Sammy E4GT, but, I am really switching carriers to get the Note, not Att...I just hope all the improvements in my area that I have heard/read about our true.
I mean, this is the Chicago land market, and I am certain ATT wants to come off as a good provider here..
But I really wanted this phone first and foremost..
Did anyone see this on bgr?
http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/17/atts-...ound-to-be-nations-fastest-wireless-services/
They basically say Sprint lags behind everyone in 3G and 4G. I personally get really good 3G speeds (>1mbps), and 4G when I can get it but it is not at my house or work. Just in between. Not wanting to be a whiner. I feel like when Sprint rolls out LTE and Network Vision everywhere we'll be back. I'm rather happy with my wireless data, but it seems we are right now missing out on a lot.
My 3g speeds are just pathetic now. They used to be decent, like in the 800 plus range at work. Now I'm lucky if I pull 100kbps. Plus I always drop in and out and even go to roaming sometimes. Please hurry up the roll out sprint.
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You guys have it made.I cant even browse facebook most days.Thats why I call it
"Sprint - The (i hope you dont need it right) Now Network.
This isn't anything new. They suck I give them 1 year. I like them a lot, just need to get their **** in order. The only reason I let them slide is price and I'm on wifi 20 hours of the day
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Sprint DOES lag behind on network speeds. Even with the upgrades they've done in my area. Things have improved, but I don't think they're anything to brag about. Even 4G wimax when I have a strong signal is pitiful. There are times I feel 4G wimax is like AT&T or T-Mobile 3G. I don't complain, really, because it's fast enough for me to get by. But... congrats on taking the red pill and waking up
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This isn't anything new. They suck I give them 1 year. I like them a lot, just need to get their **** in order. The only reason I let them slide is price and I'm on wifi 20 hours of the day
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I kind of feel like this also. In a year or so from now, I expect to have fast LTE and good 3G as a backup. If that is not the case I may go elsewhere. Allthough I hate to lose unlimited data and the other perks of being with sprint.
my 3g and now 4g speeds are pretty pathetic. 3g is 100k most of the time except in the evenings when the towers are so overloaded it drops to 1x or 3g will just timeout on everything and 4g is now down to anywhere between 200k and 500k during the evening and 1.5-2mb during the rest of the time. yet sprint continues to say theres no problems in the area lol.
This is definitely not news. My Sprint service has sucked for a while now.
I'm roaming often, and when I'm not roaming the signal is weak. When I'm lucky enough to get a good signal, 3G is still slower than dial up speeds, and 4G is slower than Verizon's 3G.
Sprint is in real trouble if they don't fix this. The only reason I am still with them is because I really do like my Evo 3D. No other carrier has a comparable phone, and I'm stuck in a contract anyway.
If Verizon got a Samsung Galaxy S 3D, I'd probably break my contract with Sprint to go to Verizon.
Who cares about unlimited data if it's practically unusable in most real world scenarios?
My city isn't even on the list of future LTE markets yet either, so I'm not holding my breath for that. I do have Wimax, but it's pretty crappy.
Sprint has totally fell off. I remember a few years ago when Sprint used to consistently be first or second in these data speed comparisons. Now I would have been shocked if they weren't picked last. And I'm sure most Sprint customers would have also been shocked if Sprint was anything but last in this most recent comparison.
Sprint has got more and more expensive over the years, and the service has got worse and worse. Not a very good outlook for the future at all.
does anybody really think sprint lte will be fast? why do they not assume it will be similar to Wimax speeds?
sprint has 3g but nobody assumes it is as fast as the competition.
rude awakening! you will be unsatisfied with lte speeds and then you will realize that Wimax wasn't the problem, SPRINT is the problem
royshero said:
This isn't anything new. They suck I give them 1 year. I like them a lot, just need to get their **** in order. The only reason I let them slide is price and I'm on wifi 20 hours of the day
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as soon as there network is upgraded... they will morph right into verizon's evil twin. price, and everything. just watch.
the only thing keeping them from not charging an ass load of money is that they are being outperformed in network capability in a lot of areas. i am fortunate to live in an area with very good 4g and 3g, so i can't complain. but man i sure feel your guys' pain with the slow network ****. that would be frustrating. it's like paying for wifi and your wifi is never working or never running fast.
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as soon as there network is upgraded... they will morph right into verizon's evil twin. price, and everything. just watch.
the only thing keeping them from not charging an ass load of money is that they are being outperformed in network capability in a lot of areas. i am fortunate to live in an area with very good 4g and 3g, so i can't complain. but man i sure feel your guys' pain with the slow network ****. that would be frustrating. it's like paying for wifi and your wifi is never working or never running fast.
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They already aren't that much cheaper than Verizon anymore. I think last time I checked Sprint was like $5 a month cheaper or something like that. And that wasn't even factoring all the nickel and dime fees Sprint puts on there.
The only thing Sprint has on Verizon these days is unlimited data. The price isn't a big enough difference to really be a factor. And the unlimited data isn't really a factor (to me at least) if it's too slow to use. Sprint's just lucky their network went to **** after they already had me locked into a contract. And even then, I'd have probably left if I could get a phone comparable to the Evo 3D on another network.
Sprint did the same thing that AT&T when they got the iPhone...they didn't anticipate all the traffic on their network thus not preparing for it. I am holding out though. By the end of the year, a lot of us will have a great network to go with the unlimited data. And will be better than all the others.
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The problem with these anecdotal tests is they mean very little in your town. When I worked downtown, Sprint was 800kbps. Not blazing, but amazing compared to AT&Ts 20kbps or Verizons 50.
Different side of town? Sprint is 100 and not very useful. And if I drive 3 minutes away I'm getting 1100.
The best thing to do is do a speed test and get people on other carriers to do them right next to you
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The problem with these anecdotal tests is they mean very little in your town. When I worked downtown, Sprint was 800kbps. Not blazing, but amazing compared to AT&Ts 20kbps or Verizons 50.
Different side of town? Sprint is 100 and not very useful. And if I drive 3 minutes away I'm getting 1100.
The best thing to do is do a speed test and get people on other carriers to do them right next to you
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Yup true I did the 4g against Verizon test he hit 11mbps I hit 10mbps the only difference was ping his was 58 while mines was 101
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The problem with these anecdotal tests is they mean very little in your town. When I worked downtown, Sprint was 800kbps. Not blazing, but amazing compared to AT&Ts 20kbps or Verizons 50.
Different side of town? Sprint is 100 and not very useful. And if I drive 3 minutes away I'm getting 1100.
The best thing to do is do a speed test and get people on other carriers to do them right next to you
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thats true, if i head to the **** side of town i can get good 3g speeds but no 4g lol. or if im around a sprint store they make sure the towers are working perfect. just some observations ive experienced here in san antonio. hell around my parents house half the time i get network busy when trying to make a call. sprint says theres no problems that the network is working as it should haha. they get all pissed when i ask them so for 200+ a month im not supposed to beable to make a phone call and have data speeds that are so ****ty it basically turns my phone into a cool looking paper weight.
I get 900kbps to burst speeds of 1.5mbps most days. Just heard from a couple of sources that I'm getting 4g in a month or two
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Didnt check 3g as Im always on 4g but you guys are right. 3g slowed down for me too. Used to get 1000+kbps now down to 700kpbs.
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Didnt check 3g as Im always on 4g but you guys are right. 3g slowed down for me too. Used to get 1000+kbps now down to 700kpbs.
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Yeah mine slowed down too I used to get 10 kbps now I get 5 kbps.
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Yeah mine slowed down too I used to get 10 kbps now I get 5 kbps.
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lol, your speeds are like mine
I'm lucky if I get 300kbps in my home area. Luckily, I found out they took down the closest tower in light of the fact of upgrading the others to network vision and haven't yet...so I complained. Until then...it's non-stop bill credits. I'm making them pay for the lack of service. I ask what I get over someone with a $50/mon prepay plan other than the fancy phone I bought...the answer? Nadda.
Pisses me off that we'll have to get new phones again to take advantage of the 4G LTE. Thanks a lot.
I searched the forums and didn't see a post like this......
So I have talked to a couple representatives from T-Mobile and it has been confirmed that T-Mobile will be acquiring LTE service sometime next year. One rep told me next spring, the other one told me they don't know.
So I'm just going to wait until the day T-Mobile gets LTE then use my upgrade on an LTE phone.
I honestly can't wait!
Have you ever heard of the concept of diminishing returns? At some point increasing the speed of data will give an increase of experience that is so tiny that you won't notice it.. the biggest bottleneck in our data speed is the app that we use to access that data, and the system itself.
With a few build.prop tweaks I consistently get over 18mbs download and 3mbs upload - how much faster can it get? Will a page loading .03 a second faster at higher speeds be worth the battery drain of TRUE lte? Unless the browsing app and the system itself get better, faster data speeds won't do anything you're gonna notice - it is 99.9999999% hype to sell you a new phone or service.
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Have you ever heard of the concept of diminishing returns? At some point increasing the speed of data will give an increase of experience that is so tiny that you won't notice it.. the biggest bottleneck in our data speed is the app that we use to access that data, and the system itself.
With a few build.prop tweaks I consistently get over 18mbs download and 3mbs upload - how much faster can it get? Will a page loading .03 a second faster at higher speeds be worth the battery drain of TRUE lte? Unless the browsing app and the system itself get better, faster data speeds won't do anything you're gonna notice - it is 99.9999999% hype to sell you a new phone or service.
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I understand what you mean, but if the speeds are higher, then theoretically, they would be able to support more users.
Look at it this way. You have a water hose that is 1 inch in diameter, and you have a splitter that splits the hose 4 ways. On the 4 ends, the rate of flow would be lower than if it was just 1 end. This is our current 4G service.
And now, the LTE. A hose that is 3 inches in diameter. Now, it can split it 4 ways, and get about 3x more performance in each hose (Which as you mentioned, is probably unnecessary, since we probably wouldn't notice the difference)... OR you could split it 12 ways and you would get the same performance with 1 inch hose that was only split 4 ways. It now can support 3x more hoses, while delivering the same amount of throughput.
It's not always about speed
At this point I really don't care for LTE specially if it drains my battery faster then what my current juice sucking Amaze does. I do think it's all hype at this point. Also I've been wondering weather I really need a juice sucking tripe/quad CPU on my cell.
There is only so much you can do on a cell phone before its over kill. At the moment I have to carefully manage my 4G, Cell phone signal, WIFI, Bluetooth, Air Plane mode, and have a few well placed chargers at home, car and work just to get through the day with my cell.
I'm not sure what I'm going to doing with a Quad Core or Tegra processor cell phone if I got one. Unless I was playing games on my cell phone which is not that great since it doesn't have a physical keyboard a la Xperia play or Droid 2.
I guess that if you watch a lot of videos online the extra speed might be a plus but then again the screen is kind of small and it would kill the battery quick. Right now even a quick game of angry birds or Zombies vs plants zaps the battery life. I guess that if you tether your cell phone and watch videos on a laptop or a tablet then maybe I can see the positive of having LTE.
I wish T-mobile would instead expand their coverage. At my job they have internal antennas throughout the whole campus for Verizon and AT&T, Metro PCS, Sprint. I asked one of the IT project managers if T-mobile would ever get in on the game and add their hardware so that we could have a better T-mobile signal. He laughed at me and said that T-Mobile doesn't play nice and there was no chance. Good thing we have WIFI at work and I use grooveIP and Google voice as my main communication tools.
At this time I'm more then happy with my Amaze 4G speeds. It seems to be about as fast as my home WIFI. It's definitely faster then work WIFI.
I would much rather see improved battery technology and a better screen. I guess I would have to try out LTE just to see if it was worth it but I highly doubt it. Heck right now seeing full bars on my cell is a big plus and cause for celebration.
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Lte reminds me of another acronym: cai which stands for cold air intake.
Yes while lte (and somewhat I have read it's not even true lte???) May be faster on paper, I can tell you its barely noticeable.
Just like a cai, you may be technically gaining a few horses but you won't notice it. I honestly see very little difference between lte and hspa . If any thing else the speed is very inconsistent which attributes to minimal notability in speed.
And after reading how it's not even true lte I am convinced it's just b.s.
Has anyone noticed how call quality has stayed the same for the past 5 years or so?
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At this point I really don't care for LTE specially if it drains my battery faster then what my current juice sucking Amaze does. I do think it's all hype at this point. Also I've been wondering weather I really need a juice sucking tripe/quad CPU on my cell.
There is only so much you can do on a cell phone before its over kill. At the moment I have to carefully manage my 4G, Cell phone signal, WIFI, Bluetooth, Air Plane mode, and have a few well placed chargers at home, car and work just to get through the day with my cell.
I'm not sure what I'm going to doing with a Quad Core or Tegra processor cell phone if I got one. Unless I was playing games on my cell phone which is not that great since it doesn't have a physical keyboard a la Xperia play or Droid 2.
I guess that if you watch a lot of videos online the extra speed might be a plus but then again the screen is kind of small and it would kill the battery quick. Right now even a quick game of angry birds or Zombies vs plants zaps the battery life. I guess that if you tether your cell phone and watch videos on a laptop or a tablet then maybe I can see the positive of having LTE.
I wish T-mobile would instead expand their coverage. At my job they have internal antennas throughout the whole campus for Verizon and AT&T, Metro PCS, Sprint. I asked one of the IT project managers if T-mobile would ever get in on the game and add their hardware so that we could have a better T-mobile signal. He laughed at me and said that T-Mobile doesn't play nice and there was no chance. Good thing we have WIFI at work and I use grooveIP and Google voice as my main communication tools.
At this time I'm more then happy with my Amaze 4G speeds. It seems to be about as fast as my home WIFI. It's definitely faster then work WIFI.
I would much rather see improved battery technology and a better screen. I guess I would have to try out LTE just to see if it was worth it but I highly doubt it. Heck right now seeing full bars on my cell is a big plus and cause for celebration.
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Ah, but with quad core, you can be in control, and the way it handles processes is more efficient anyways.. and technically there are five cores, and that fifth smaller core can really help make things more efficient.
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LTE sounds nice and I thought the same about 4G neither which are running where I live. I still have to rely on Edge(2G) for my data. AT&T, Sprint, nor Verizon have their LTE/4G services where I live. So T-mobile can say all they want about their network but that won't be selling me any phones anytime soon.
I think T-mobile should focus on strengthening their signal and offering better speeds in all areas before going LTE. In my recent trip to Florida I basically had to stand in one corner of one room of the house I was staying at to get one bar. I ended up just using my BIL's WIFI the entire time. My MIL has an AT&T old school phone and had fine signal everywhere in the house. It was the same way in the parks.... service going in and out constantly while I saw other ppl on their phones just fine. Not to mention that while I am at work I get 2G at best whilst my AT&T coworkers get 4G. One co-worker just switched from T-mobile to AT&T and said he cannot believe the speed difference. I love T-mobile's customer care, and I have had a great experience with them so I hate to leave but if the signal doesn't improve soon I'm going to be forced to make the switch.
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I think T-mobile should focus on strengthening their signal and offering better speeds in all areas before going LTE. In my recent trip to Florida I basically had to stand in one corner of one room of the house I was staying at to get one bar. I ended up just using my BIL's WIFI the entire time. My MIL has an AT&T old school phone and had fine signal everywhere in the house. It was the same way in the parks.... service going in and out constantly while I saw other ppl on their phones just fine. Not to mention that while I am at work I get 2G at best whilst my AT&T coworkers get 4G. One co-worker just switched from T-mobile to AT&T and said he cannot believe the speed difference. I love T-mobile's customer care, and I have had a great experience with them so I hate to leave but if the signal doesn't improve soon I'm going to be forced to make the switch.
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Yeah I also am more concerned with consistent service. Where I live I can get anywhere from 10kbs, yes kbs down, and pretty much nothing up. To about 5mbs down. But about 7 miles from here I get consistent speeds of 28mbs down I'd much prefer that being the norm since that's plenty fast. I'm told the technology that everyone is hoping to move to is more economically sound and should save the user money theoretically. Now whether the companies will pass that savings to us... Who knows. But I'd much rather get service where I currently don't. And data where I only have service like when I camp certain areas
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Also rather see them increase signal with Hspa+ rather than make the LTE switch. I am already getting craptastic battery life and my service is so spotty! I currently have 4G where I work at outside, but I walk 50 yards rather outside or inside the building I get full bars of EDGE. Always a good signal, just completely different speeds.
Have a friend on Verizon and he has an LTE phone and his speeds off the network are crazy fast, but it isn't like off the wall crazy different when I am in a strong 4G area. I have hit mid 20's download and almost 4 upload.
Marketing at its finest IMO.
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I searched the forums and didn't see a post like this......
So I have talked to a couple representatives from T-Mobile and it has been confirmed that T-Mobile will be acquiring LTE service sometime next year. One rep told me next spring, the other one told me they don't know.
So I'm just going to wait until the day T-Mobile gets LTE then use my upgrade on an LTE phone.
I honestly can't wait!
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While lte will eventually take over hspa+ is more than sufficient and in my case here in San Diego it's faster.
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Keylogger_0 said:
I understand what you mean, but if the speeds are higher, then theoretically, they would be able to support more users.
Look at it this way. You have a water hose that is 1 inch in diameter, and you have a splitter that splits the hose 4 ways. On the 4 ends, the rate of flow would be lower than if it was just 1 end. This is our current 4G service.
And now, the LTE. A hose that is 3 inches in diameter. Now, it can split it 4 ways, and get about 3x more performance in each hose (Which as you mentioned, is probably unnecessary, since we probably wouldn't notice the difference)... OR you could split it 12 ways and you would get the same performance with 1 inch hose that was only split 4 ways. It now can support 3x more hoses, while delivering the same amount of throughput.
It's not always about speed
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That analogy is actually kind of weak. Firstly, not all phones will be LTE. Second, just like other spectrums, the more people use it, the slower it will be. I'm all for LTE however, as more use it, the faster 4g signal will be. But if you do aa cost benefit analysis(yes, a science-y term), the amount of extra battery consumption for the negligable amount of increased performance would be bad. Until we have things that require those speeds(maybe torrents), you simply wont notice gains worth the extra consumption.
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I think T-mobile should focus on strengthening their signal and offering better speeds in all areas before going LTE. In my recent trip to Florida I basically had to stand in one corner of one room of the house I was staying at to get one bar. I ended up just using my BIL's WIFI the entire time. My MIL has an AT&T old school phone and had fine signal everywhere in the house. It was the same way in the parks.... service going in and out constantly while I saw other ppl on their phones just fine. Not to mention that while I am at work I get 2G at best whilst my AT&T coworkers get 4G. One co-worker just switched from T-mobile to AT&T and said he cannot believe the speed difference. I love T-mobile's customer care, and I have had a great experience with them so I hate to leave but if the signal doesn't improve soon I'm going to be forced to make the switch.
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I live in Florida, used to be Daytona(central florida area), and now jacksonville.. there are a few miles in between that I lose 4g, but I can testify that the east coast down to Miami actually has pretty great coverage. Jacksonvilles signal strength has been amazing everywhere(biggest city in the u.s. by square miles) except for where I just moved, which is the ffirst time I've Ever experienced drops in signal from 4g to 2g to no signal in a few feet.. but that likely has to do witg the interferance from the very close power grid.
While LTE is a great technology with a lot of potential, and it will lessen the burden on other bandwidth spectrums.. the usefulness at the moment is comparable tto the concept of anything more than a quad core(which isn't fully realized) or more than a gig of ram.. diminishing returns. At this point they need new, bigger, and faster features to sell us new phones, just like rom develpers need new features to make new roms worth downloading. I say if it isn't broke, don't fix it. If you like hype.. buy buy buy. At some point it is like buying a new phone that the only difference is that it has siri(I had to throw that in, lol. All hype )
Edit: software is one of the biggest upgrades at the moment. Upgrading from gingerbread to ics will give a bigger performance boost that a faster processor, more cores, or more ram. Everything from the browser on up will be faster than an upgrade to data speed. Or the hardware specs that are neglected on mobile phones that matter just like a computer. How many threads can the processor handle? What's the NM rate of the processor? What is the sspeed of the ram rather than the total? Or how about upgrades to the gpu rather than Number of cores or the amount of ram?
Specs we see are expressed so simple for the consumer to think it matters. Oh, this phone has a 1.7ghz quad core, it must be better than the 1.5ghz. Oh, two gigs of ram, twice as much as the last one! While the smaller harder to understand specs are completely forgotten.
LTE! Bah!
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Have you ever heard of the concept of diminishing returns? At some point increasing the speed of data will give an increase of experience that is so tiny that you won't notice it.. the biggest bottleneck in our data speed is the app that we use to access that data, and the system itself.
With a few build.prop tweaks I consistently get over 18mbs download and 3mbs upload - how much faster can it get? Will a page loading .03 a second faster at higher speeds be worth the battery drain of TRUE lte? Unless the browsing app and the system itself get better, faster data speeds won't do anything you're gonna notice - it is 99.9999999% hype to sell you a new phone or service.
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I am admittedly a bit of a noob. But I would be interested in learning some about build.prop and what lines can be edited. I guess there is always trial and error, but if someone could point me on the right direction that would be cool.
Edit: nm had time to do a bit of searching
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I am admittedly a bit of a noob. But I would be interested in learning some about build.prop and what lines can be edited. I guess there is always trial and error, but if someone could point me on the right direction that would be cool.
Edit: nm had time to do a bit of searching
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Well, I can save you a bit of searching.. no rom in our development section uses the max speeds(except maybe speedrom), but all of these lines exist in any rom and the stock rom's build.prop - if you have different settings, you are getting lower speeds(higher speeds may be possible, these are just the highest I've tested without reducing battery life that I know work):
ro.ril.hsxpa=5
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There are tons and tons of lines you can edit or add to the build.prop.. here are some recent ones from the s3 forums that explain what they actually do http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1769458
There are also some lines in most of our roms that have #comments before them explaining what they do, like disabling checkin services to htc and google, etc.. definitely worth learning tho
The day that data speeds over 5 mbs is "that" important to me is the day i beat myself to death with my own phone
No tweaks and I get average 28 megabits in Austin Texas
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I'm confused about our phone a bit. I thought I had seen that our phone says something about lte in the kernel or somewhere. Why? And I remember faux saying he had disabled it I think
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I'm confused about our phone a bit. I thought I had seen that our phone says something about lte in the kernel or somewhere. Why? And I remember faux saying he had disabled it I think
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It does have LTE listed, you can even find it in the APN settings, but it's completely pointless without the hardware, which our device doesn't have, reason being why faux disabled it.
Dark Nightmare said:
It does have LTE listed, you can even find it in the APN settings, but it's completely pointless without the hardware, which our device doesn't have, reason being why faux disabled it.
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So why would we even have it on the software level?
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So I ordered an S4 for myself and a One for my roommate... He hated the One right off the bat... We've been battling with them just to get a return label and exchange for an S4 for days (I've literally made like 20 calls just to get this simple thing done and they can't even seem to do that) so finally I sucked it up and said "I'll take the One, you take the S4"
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I was enjoying 30Mbps down and 20Mbps up speeds on the S4... The One won't even hold the LTE signal, it keeps dropping to HSPA+...
I'm going to be absolutely infuriated if there is no fix for this... I was given a free case for my trouble (at the store) and sent on my way... Well the phone won't charge with the case on because the charger I've been using is too big and the case is built for the charger. The charger that came with the One is ridiculously short compared to Samsung's cables... so I have to take the case off.
Either way, the signal seems atrocious without the case and because the phone was completely dead I haven't gotten to try it with a case.
I already don't like going from 5 buttons to 2 (I know there is a hack to make the HTC button a 3rd), the smaller screen... meh, take it or leave it... but if I can't get a decent LTE signal, this phone is done.
Please someone tell me that I don't have to get on the phone and fight with T-Mobile for another S4 just to get back LTE... I can deal with the quirks like no microSD, smaller screen, down-clocked processor, and I actually got a zero gap phone... but I can't deal with losing LTE because of the switch.
To add RSSI values... -109 while the S4 is at -97... they seem to be between 10 and 12 points apart all the time.
EtherealRemnant said:
So I ordered an S4 for myself and a One for my roommate... He hated the One right off the bat... We've been battling with them just to get a return label and exchange for an S4 for days (I've literally made like 20 calls just to get this simple thing done and they can't even seem to do that) so finally I sucked it up and said "I'll take the One, you take the S4"
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I was enjoying 30Mbps down and 20Mbps up speeds on the S4... The One won't even hold the LTE signal, it keeps dropping to HSPA+...
I'm going to be absolutely infuriated if there is no fix for this... I was given a free case for my trouble (at the store) and sent on my way... Well the phone won't charge with the case on because the charger I've been using is too big and the case is built for the charger. The charger that came with the One is ridiculously short compared to Samsung's cables... so I have to take the case off.
Either way, the signal seems atrocious without the case and because the phone was completely dead I haven't gotten to try it with a case.
I already don't like going from 5 buttons to 2 (I know there is a hack to make the HTC button a 3rd), the smaller screen... meh, take it or leave it... but if I can't get a decent LTE signal, this phone is done.
Please someone tell me that I don't have to get on the phone and fight with T-Mobile for another S4 just to get back LTE... I can deal with the quirks like no microSD, smaller screen, down-clocked processor, and I actually got a zero gap phone... but I can't deal with losing LTE because of the switch.
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I remember seeing a post saying that the EVO LTE was the same way at first then later on with software updates it improved so maybe when HTC releases more updates they will fix it.
ubnub82 said:
I remember seeing a post saying that the EVO LTE was the same way at first then later on with software updates it improved so maybe when HTC releases more updates they will fix it.
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So currently I'm boned?
This phone has ridiculously slow handshakes... I've never seen a phone take so long to negotiate from EDGE (which it inevitably drops to on EVERY incoming call even when in a full HSPA+ area), then it shakes to 4G, then if I'm lucky back to LTE... It was pretty much instantaneous on the S4.
Either way, I'm stuck with this phone so I might as well get used to it. Too bad we can't flash another model's modem to the thing. Guess I'm waiting on HTC *sigh*
Thanks for the help. I might just suck it up, put both my S3s and my MAXX on Swappa and pay full retail for an S4... Still keeps me locked in EIP for this one though since the second S3 is my roommate's. I'm sure he wouldn't mind either way since the bill is getting paid *shrug*
EtherealRemnant said:
So currently I'm boned?
This phone has ridiculously slow handshakes... I've never seen a phone take so long to negotiate from EDGE (which it inevitably drops to on EVERY incoming call even when in a full HSPA+ area), then it shakes to 4G, then if I'm lucky back to LTE... It was pretty much instantaneous on the S4.
Either way, I'm stuck with this phone so I might as well get used to it. Too bad we can't flash another model's modem to the thing. Guess I'm waiting on HTC *sigh*
Thanks for the help. I might just suck it up, put both my S3s and my MAXX on Swappa and pay full retail for an S4... Still keeps me locked in EIP for this one though since the second S3 is my roommate's. I'm sure he wouldn't mind either way since the bill is getting paid *shrug*
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For now it would seem so. I just switched from Sprint and I have HSPA+ in almost all the places I go except work but I'm to busy to use my phone there. Hopefully it won't take long before it is updated and the problem is fixed.
Just go to a different T-mobile store and tell them your unit is defective. If it can't hold an LTE signal whereas the S4 can easily, it's clearly defective.
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For now it would seem so. I just switched from Sprint and I have HSPA+ in almost all the places I go except work but I'm to busy to use my phone there. Hopefully it won't take long before it is updated and the problem is fixed.
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Well seeing that the TMO/ATT/DEV versions all appear to be the same (with the exception of the TMO being the only one with 1700 LTE/HSPA), I might just try flashing the latest radio I can find... worst case scenario I have no signal and have to flash back. Damn T-Mobile and their AWS band!
Yeah, I too have been having LTE reception issues with my One. I have an iPhone 5 coming in tomorrow for another line I just added, so I'll compare. If it's drastically different in terms of network performance, I'll go with the S4. As much as I love the One, network connection is my biggest priority. What's the point of having unlimited LTE if I can't use it, right?
beret9987 said:
Yeah, I too have been having LTE reception issues with my One. I have an iPhone 5 coming in tomorrow for another line I just added, so I'll compare. If it's drastically different in terms of network performance, I'll go with the S4. As much as I love the One, network connection is my biggest priority. What's the point of having unlimited LTE if I can't use it, right?
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You know what's weird? I had an unlocked at&t HTC one that got me LTE in a lot of areas, then I got the T-Mobile version and I don't get LTE in those areas anymore. It just switches between 3g-H and never gets LTE. What's up with that?
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My One holds LTE fine. Maybe there is something wrong with your unit. Go to a T-Mobile store and so a side-by-side with a display unit to see if the signal is different.
Could definitely be a radio issue then. Man, I played with an S4 in the store yesterday though and its just not as quick as the One is for day to day use. Depressing I can't have the best of both worlds.
malikadnanm said:
You know what's weird? I had an unlocked at&t HTC one that got me LTE in a lot of areas, then I got the T-Mobile version and I don't get LTE in those areas anymore. It just switches between 3g-H and never gets LTE. What's up with that?
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Check your APN to see if it's the LTE one (fast.t-mobile.com) and that the phone is set to GSM/WCDMA/LTE auto.
SmiLey497 said:
Check your APN to see if it's the LTE one (fast.t-mobile.com) and that the phone is set to GSM/WCDMA/LTE auto.
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I actually did that and changed Roms and I'm getting LTE in most places except my house which gets 4g but I'm on WiFi all the time so it doesn't matter.
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I think your friend is the one that got boned cause he got stuck with the S4.
Tell your friend to open the browser on the S4, go to Theverge.com full website. Do the same on your HTC One. You friend will want to throw his S4 out the window like I almost did...twice!
Thing is slower than **** on complicated websites, The S4 just can't handle it while the HTC one breezes through everything liquid smooth. Give it a few more days, the microstutters, ui lag, camera lag, browser lag, gallery lag, only available 8GB of space to install apps on will drive him insane. Custom roms won't fix it either, god knows I tried every ROM on my S4 hoping to fix it. The only one that actually made the device usable was the stock google rom, but then again it's just so barebone it's hard to use as a daily.
While I agree, the ONE doesn't hold a signal like the S4, I had no issues with LTE on either devices but I did notice 1 bar lower at the same places with my HTC One compared to my S4. There is no way I would ditch the One for the slow as molasses S4.
I'm waiting on the LG Optimus G2, that thing looks promising.
I watch Netflix in traffic. LTE holds up hahaha
Get a new One or Make sure its updated.
Keep calm. Why call 20 times when you can go to the store?
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ubnub82 said:
I actually did that and changed Roms and I'm getting LTE in most places except my house which gets 4g but I'm on WiFi all the time so it doesn't matter.
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I forgot where the apn is located. I'd like to check this.
Also is anyone concerned that tmobile only has 1700mhz for LTE currently? Building penetration isn't going to be very good...
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Building penetration does sort of suck, but I have no problem holding on to LTE in my office building.
The only time I see a noticeable difference in terms of T-mo signal quality is when I'm underground or outside of metropolitan areas.
As for the One vs S4.. I've never owned a Samsung android phone so I cant compare. But like I said, I'm having no issues with my One and LTE in NYC and Newark, NJ. Both of which arent even official T-mo LTE markets yet I think...
Before you go unlocking and flashing randomly, just go to a corporate store and tell them the One is defective. If its having that much of an issue with LTE, it probably is defective.
Now if you ended up buying from a random place online, cant help you there.
What radio are you guys using? I've checked all my APN and other settings and everything is what it should for LTE but still no luck
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I guess I'll chime in. I'm coming from the nexus 4 with LTE enabled on it. Impressions? I agree, the bars are way lower. Places I got full LTE coverage I only get about a bar or two on the one. Speeds? Usually much better upload on HTC one and a tad faster download as well. Ability to keep LTE signal? Total ****... On my nexus in Atlanta the only time I really lose LTE connectivity is when I am on call, and it reconnects right away after. I get good speeds all over and no complaints at all...
Now, HTC one constantly drops LTE at home in places nexus keeps it fine with couple of bars. At my gym, I always got LTE on the nexus, even if one bar... I usually stream music there. On HTC one, I'd be connected to LTE for couple of minutes at best, then it drops to hspa.
I tried stock tmobile Rom, others, I even flashed international radio update to see how it compares, no luck. Checked apn, reset apn. This is my second HTC one, first one I returned for same issue. But decided to buy it again because I really like the hardware and software on it. S4 is garbage when it comes to software, it is laggy and makes ui very ugly when compared to stock android even, so wasn't an option. I'm considering selling this phone and getting 925 or 8x, I like windows phone... But not too many apps and even though software is optimized, it is quite inferior hardware wise.
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This whole time i've been panicking for a fix but thankfully I'm not the only one. My nexus 4 would pick up lte strongly and reliably. Much better than the One
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